Countdown Clock to Trumps impeachment " STARTS"
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Yanno my signature line about Biden* - And when Biden* fails to keep his promises - or even promote them - I'll be happy to laugh at his skinny saggy ass parading all over town in his New Clothes™. ...
That's how you can tell if a President is really behind their rhetoric, IF THEY WRANGLE AND STUMP TO MAKE IT HAPPEN.
Obama kept his dirty shit on the DL as much as he kept his failure to get behind his rhetorical treaties on the DL - though their signings were with much fanfare as meaningless as they were.
Obama didn't campaign for them, even though he was happy to take credit for meaningless gestures.
And btw, democrats would have ended up in a MUCH better position in the midterms if Obama had tried the littlest bit to make the "change" portion of his slogan real, and held the banks and loan institutions accountable. Instead he shoveled trillions at them and rewarded them most generously for their bad behavior.
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Tomorrow Trumps second impeachment trial starts. I'm so excited!
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No shit, huh.
We know dude. You keep jerking off about it all the time.
*yawn*
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Trump’s lawyers submitted a 78-page trial brief to the Senate, arguing that it is unconstitutional to try a former president on articles of impeachment, that Trump’s speech at the January 6 rally urging his supporters to “fight” was rhetorical, and that the former president was well within his First Amendment rights to speak as he did. It blames the attack on the Capitol not on Trump’s incitement of violence over time — as the article of impeachment does — but on “a small group of criminals.”
The document seems designed to appeal to an audience of one: Trump himself. It repeatedly uses “Democrat” as a derogatory adjective, accusing “Democrat members” of Congress of “Trump Derangement Syndrome.” It calls the House impeachment managers intellectually dishonest and fact free. Curiously, in what is perhaps a nod either to his vanity or to the QAnon believers who think Trump is still president, it never acknowledges him as a former president, repeatedly referring to him simply as “the 45th President.”
This document tries to rewrite what we all saw with our own eyes. It will not convince anyone who has been paying attention to what happened on January 6, but that’s clearly not its purpose. Instead, it reinforces the narrative that Trump has been persecuted by his enemies, and that he was not responsible.
More at https://heathercoxrichardson.substack.com/p/february-8-2021
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It repeatedly uses “Democrat” as a derogatory adjective, accusing “Democrat members” of Congress of “Trump Derangement Syndrome.”
Maybe somebody should count the dozens or possibly hundreds of times you've used the term Trumptard just since Biden* took office.
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Quote:If you dislike Trumptard, would you prefer legal documents filed in court to use the descriptive term "fathead fucking lying sacks of shit" which would technically be more accurate?
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:
Originally posted by second:
It repeatedly uses “Democrat” as a derogatory adjective, accusing “Democrat members” of Congress of “Trump Derangement Syndrome.”
Maybe somebody should count the dozens or possibly hundreds of times you've used the term Trumptard just since Biden* took office.
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The trial will kick off with a four-hour debate on the constitutionality of the proceeding followed by a vote at a simple majority threshold to affirm the proceedings' constitutionality.
https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/trump-impeachment-trial-02-09-2
021/h_17792f7a426647b79eac193633ee7812
It is constitutional:
1 https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/LSB/LSB10565
2 https://www.lawfareblog.com/constitutionality-trying-former-president-
impeached-while-office
3 https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/02/04/yes-senate-has-powe
r-try-trump-he-was-impeached-office/
How many Republican Senators will deny it? We will know later today.
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Originally posted by second:Quote:If you dislike Trumptard, would you prefer legal documents filed in court to use the descriptive term "fathead fucking lying sacks of shit" which would technically be more accurate?
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:
Originally posted by second:
It repeatedly uses “Democrat” as a derogatory adjective, accusing “Democrat members” of Congress of “Trump Derangement Syndrome.”
Maybe somebody should count the dozens or possibly hundreds of times you've used the term Trumptard just since Biden* took office.
Dude. I don't care what names you want to call me.
To take offense at anything anybody has to say, I would first have to have even just the smallest bit of respect for that person or their opinions.
I have no respect for you. I have no respect for your opinions.
Be awful at your own discretion. I couldn't possibly care any less.
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Republican Senator from Louisiana explains that it is Constitutional to impeach Trump.
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Trump Claims My Research Supports His Case Against Impeachment
He’s Wrong. By Brian Kalt
FEB 09, 2021
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2021/02/trump-late-impeachment-bri
ef-research-wrong.html
Back in 2001, I wrote a long law review article exploring an abstract question: Can Congress impeach and try ex-officials for their misconduct in office? The issue of what I labeled “late impeachment” was just a hypothetical back then. It was still only a hypothetical when I wrote a book on weird presidential constitutional issues in 2012 and included a chapter on impeaching ex-presidents. Then last month … well, you know.
When it became clear that Donald Trump’s impeachment trial would not begin until after his term ended, I knew my old work would come in handy for both the House managers and Trump’s lawyers. I had concluded in my article that, on balance, the evidence solidly favored late impeachability. But late impeachment is a complicated issue, with a lot of evidence and arguments on both sides—and my article tried to present all of it (it ended up being 124 pages long).
Sure enough, the House managers cited the article numerous times in their brief. So did Trump’s lawyers in their brief. Trump’s lawyers focused their attention on the parts of my article that favored their side, and not the parts—including my overall conclusions—that favored late impeachability. Fair enough—their job is to advocate for Trump, not for me. But as I looked more closely at just how they depicted my work, it was clear that there was a problem.
In several places, they cited me as though I had concluded something when in fact I had concluded the opposite. For instance, they said:
The only purpose of impeachment is to remove the President, Vice-President, and civil officers from office. When a President is no longer in office, the objective of an impeachment ceases. (Kalt at 66.)
So what did I say on Page 66? In that section, I looked at some different ways to interpret the constitutional text. One such way, which I called “Interpretation #3,” was consistent with what Trump’s lawyers were citing me for. But after summing up Interpretation #3, I denigrated it, saying that it had “deep flaws.” More to the point, one of its flaws was that removal “is not the sole end of impeachment.” In other words, I said the exact opposite of the proposition for which they cited me.
Legal citations use something called “signals.” . . . explanation of signals . . . For Trump’s lawyers to cite me without a signal for something that did not support their proposition—let alone support it directly—was a breach of professional standards.
More at https://web.archive.org/web/20210210002037/https://slate.com/news-and-
politics/2021/02/trump-late-impeachment-brief-research-wrong.html
When lawyers quote the wrong people and cite sources for the opposite of what those sources actually say, it is never a good sign. Judges hate that. It makes their jobs harder. How senators feel about it is less clear.
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Can a president be impeached without evidence? Or worse, in the presence of exculpatory evidence?
Can a person be convicted by a jury without evidence, in the presence of exculpatory evidence, and without the presumption of innocence?
I guess we'll see these Constitutional mysteries revealed.
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Quote:Can a bank robber be convicted if he drops the bag of loot as he runs from the bank? How is it Constitutional to punish someone when he did not gain what he sought? I think the jury of 100 senators won't convict the attempted robber because 50 of the jurors are related to the defendant.
Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Can a president be impeached without evidence? Or worse, in the presence of exculpatory evidence?
Can a person be convicted by a jury without evidence, in the presence of exculpatory evidence, and without the presumption of innocence?
I guess we'll see these Constitutional mysteries revealed.
The Senate ultimately voted 56-44 that the impeachment trial is constitutional.
An adviser to Trump's team offered a candid assessment of the messy opening day, asking pointedly, "What the hell is going on?"
The adviser said the former President could be in serious jeopardy if he finds himself charged in criminal court, given his inability to attract a high-powered legal team for the impeachment trial.
"Trump is f--ked if anyone ever charges him. No one wants to work with him," the adviser said.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/09/politics/trump-impeachment-bruce-castor
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What EVIDENCE of loot is there? When Trump called on people to "PEACEFULLY and PATRIOTICALLY Make Your Voices Heard"?
You mean THAT incitement to a coup ... insurrection ... riot ... violence by a few individuals ... ?
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There's no evidence of anything. Just more of the same bullshit the Legacy Media did the last four years... riling up people like the idiots on this board to have so much hate in their hearts that they wish death on others, derive great pleasure when somebody they disagree with dies and even try to coerce people into offing themselves, all while somehow still believing that they're the "good guys".
They're all meat puppet cultist zombies. The entire lot of 'em.
It's fucking gross what the Legacy Media has done to this country to sell boner pills and car insurance.
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Quote:Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump tweeted in the aftermath of a riot:
Originally posted by 1KIKI:
What EVIDENCE of loot is there? When Trump called on people to "PEACEFULLY and PATRIOTICALLY Make Your Voices Heard"?
You mean THAT incitement to a coup ... insurrection ... riot ... violence by a few individuals ... ?
These are the things and events that happen when a sacred landslide election victory is so unceremoniously & viciously stripped away from great patriots who have been badly & unfairly treated for so long. Go home with love & in peace. Remember this day forever!
6:01 PM • Jan 6, 2021
Did you understand, 1kiki, that Trump is claiming to be a great patriot whose landslide victory was unceremoniously & viciously stripped away? He was fired from his job and he started a riot about the firing. If the rioters had killed Mike Pence, Trump's firing would not been certified on Jan 6th. But Pence lived and the certification was delayed until Jan 7th. Pence is still hiding from the people who want to kill him.
https://www.google.com/search?q=Pence+is+still+hiding+from+the+people+
who+want+to+kill+him
Mike Pence delivers statement formally certifying Biden as winner of presidential election
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Did you understand, 1kiki, that Trump is claiming to be a great patriot whose landslide victory was unceremoniously & viciously stripped away?
That's exactly what he is and that's exactly what happened.
Life goes on though.
Karma's a bitch.
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Quote:Funny thing but great patriot Trump did NOT have a landslide victory. And life does not go on for Pence. He is hiding from the people who want to kill him.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Did you understand, 1kiki, that Trump is claiming to be a great patriot whose landslide victory was unceremoniously & viciously stripped away?
That's exactly what he is and that's exactly what happened.
Life goes on though.
Karma's a bitch.
The martyrdom of Mike Pence
As vice-president, he abased himself and his office. In reward, Donald Trump sent a mob to kill him. Now, as another impeachment trial looms, he is cast out from Republican ranks.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/feb/07/mike-pence-donal
d-trump-republicans-religion-evangelical
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Originally posted by second:Quote:Funny thing but great patriot Trump did NOT have a landslide victory. And life does not go on for Pence. He is hiding from the people who want to kill him.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Did you understand, 1kiki, that Trump is claiming to be a great patriot whose landslide victory was unceremoniously & viciously stripped away?
That's exactly what he is and that's exactly what happened.
Life goes on though.
Karma's a bitch.
The martyrdom of Mike Pence
As vice-president, he abased himself and his office. In reward, Donald Trump sent a mob to kill him. Now, as another impeachment trial looms, he is cast out from Republican ranks.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/feb/07/mike-pence-donal
d-trump-republicans-religion-evangelical
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That's some awesome fan fiction there.
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Quote:What does that have to do with Trump 'inciting' ... something or other bad ... by calling on people to be PEACEFUL and PATRIOTIC?
Did you understand, 1kiki, that Trump is claiming to be a great patriot whose landslide victory was unceremoniously & viciously stripped away?
And, btw - I wouldn't call it a VALIDATED election. And neither would those demented rabid Trump supporters at CalTech/ MIT's Vote Project, since they call for, among other things, statistical analysis of the votes to validate elections.
And since there is zero space between blind acceptance and calling it fraud, that's why I bet they were even storming the barricades!
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Quote:Trump referred to Pence 13 times in his Riot Day speech on Jan 6th:
Originally posted by 1KIKI:Quote:What does that have to do with Trump 'inciting' ... something or other bad ... by calling on people to be PEACEFUL and PATRIOTIC?
Did you understand, 1kiki, that Trump is claiming to be a great patriot whose landslide victory was unceremoniously & viciously stripped away?
And, btw - I wouldn't call it a VALIDATED election. And neither would those demented rabid Trump supporters at CalTech/ MIT's Vote Project, since they call for, among other things, statistical analysis of the votes to validate elections.
And since there is zero space between blind acceptance and calling it fraud, hat's why I bet they were even storming the barricades!
I hope Mike is going to do the right thing. I hope so. I hope so. Because if Mike Pence does the right thing, we win the election … All Vice-President Pence has to do is send it back to the states to re-certify and we become president and you are the happiest people. And I actually, I just spoke to Mike. I said: ‘Mike, that doesn’t take courage. What takes courage is to do nothing. That takes courage’ … And Mike Pence is going to have to come through for us, and if he doesn’t, that will be a sad day for our country because you’re sworn to uphold our constitution … And Mike Pence, I hope you’re going to stand up for the good of our constitution and for the good of our country. And if you’re not, I’m going to be very disappointed in you. I will tell you right now. I’m not hearing good stories … They want to re-certify. But the only way that can happen is if Mike Pence agrees to send it back. Mike Pence has to agree to send it back. So I hope Mike has the courage to do what he has to do. And I hope he doesn’t listen to the Rinos [Republicans In Name Only] and the stupid people that he’s listening to …
Arriving at the Capitol that day, taking his place in the Senate chamber at 1pm, Pence issued a statement: “It is my considered judgment that my oath to support and defend the constitution constrains me from claiming unilateral authority to determine which electoral votes should be counted and which should not.”
Trump was just finishing speaking. The spearhead of the mob had already broken through the police perimeter on the west side of the Capitol. Just after 2pm, led by the Proud Boys and other paramilitary groups, the mob poured through smashed windows and doors and rushed into the corridors, chanting: “Hang Mike Pence!”
“Once we found out Pence turned on us and that they had stolen the election, like, officially, the crowd went crazy. I mean, it became a mob,” said one rioter, later arrested, in a video posted on YouTube. Another of those arrested texted: “When we found out Pence fucked us, we all stormed the Capitol building and everyone forced entry and started breaking shit. It was a like a scene out of a movie.”
But many of those assaulting the Capitol had already received Trump’s tinfoil cue to focus on Pence. The FBI charging paper for one arrested rioter, an alleged QAnon militant, quoted a text message two weeks before the attack: “I’m there for the greatest celebration of all time after Pence leads the Senate flip!! OR IM THERE IF TRUMP TELLS US TO STORM THE FUKIN CAPITAL IMA DO THAT THEN! We don’t want any trouble but they are not going to steal this election that I guarantee bro!!”
Secret service agents hustled Pence out of the chamber. “Where’s Mike Pence?” chanted the mob, racing to locate him. They carried a noose, marked with his name. Pence was in an office only about 100ft away. A quick-thinking Capitol police officer steered the rampaging throng to chase him in the opposite direction. At 2.24pm, amid the mayhem, Trump tweeted: “Mike Pence didn’t have the courage to do what should have been done to protect our country and our constitution, giving states a chance to certify a corrected set of facts, not the fraudulent or inaccurate ones which they were asked to previously certify. USA
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What does that have to do with Trump 'inciting' ... something or other bad ... by calling on people to be PEACEFUL and PATRIOTIC?
Where did he INCITE anything bad? Were did he call on people to ... say ... lynch Pence?
Where's your evidence?
Or are you not paying attention to Trump's actual words, but instead listening to the voices in your head? The same way republicans listen to the voices in their heads.
And, btw - I wouldn't call it a VALIDATED election. And neither would those demented rabid Trump supporters at CalTech/ MIT's Vote Project, since they call for, among other things, statistical analysis of the votes to validate elections.
And since there is zero space between blind acceptance and calling it fraud, that's why I bet they were even storming the barricades!
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It's all political theater by the DNC and RNC. I doubt that "impeaching" a private citizen - which Trump is now, btw - is even legal or Constitutional, no matter what the Senate voted. The one thing that establishment members of BOTH parties need is preventing another populist victory.
So they're looking for ANY way possible ... muck up the voting process even more than it was mucked up already (mandatory mail-in voting, no signature required, no address required, no postmark required etc. https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/17031/hr1-chaotic-elections), impeachment, making DC a 51st state, appealing to relatives of illegal aliens, designating conservatives and libertarians as "domestic terrorists", allowing internet censorship, and so forth.
This kinda reminds me of the military's response to Vietnam war protests. The military felt it was nightly news coverage that turned people against the war, so instead of looking into their hearts to find where they had failed and fixing the problem so that any further wars COULD be fully supported by civilians, there was a whole series of actions to disable the antiwar movement so that mass antiwar protests would never happen again (including "embedding" journos with USA troops).
Oy. Dems and establishment Repubs are taking a wrong lesson from Trump. Instead of looking in their hearts to see where they had failed so many Americans, they just want to regain power and jam their agenda down everyone else's throat. Or else.
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If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
THUGR posts about Putin so much, he must be in love.
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I just want to add this, in a place where you might read it, SECOND.
I've posted this before - that Trump is one smart dood, in a way that none of your ridicule of him as a pumpkin-faced clown seems to grasp. Maybe not smart in a way that could, say, design a refinery. But in his own way he's brilliant in knowing where the line is between what's criminal and what's debatable enough to be not quite over.
In the lead-up to the rally/ protest, which then turned into a riot by some people (as is usually the case, like with BLM and ANTIFA), Giuliani made statements that I thought were over the line. So did Trump Jr. And probably others did as well, those were just the two people I stumbled across whose statements had me goggling. But Trump himself never did.
And while I have no clue about Trump Jr's mental abilities, I don't think Giuliani is a dummy. So how it is that the people in Trump's orbit seem to repeatedly step right up in front of the bullseye (when Trump himself never does), I have no idea. And how it is they seem to somehow escape without any shots being fired at them for anything in relation to Trump is a further mystery.
In any case, despite the rhetoric of the people around him, PRESIDENT Trump himself will not be found with an awkward word on tape or on twitter.
He exhorted the rally to be peaceful and patriotic. Others may have called for action, but not Trump. When he called Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, unless I missed it, he never used the word "you" as in "you need to find me votes". He always used the word "I" or "we", as in "I need to find votes". So technically, he never pressured Raffensperger to 'do' anything. On the Ukraine call he was even more removed, 'asking' 'if you could' and not pressuring for an answer immediately during the call. I think Sondland was being an eager beaver and trying to make things happen to impress his boss, and throw his weight around, (and pretend to be a big shot with direct access), but you can't find any Trump quotes saying anything about withholding funds unless Ukraine investigated Hunter. Well, maybe you can task someone to do try, but I never found any. Going further back, even Mueller, with the winds of the FIB and the rest of the Five Eyes all blowing his way, tens of millions of dollars and years of time, couldn't find any "collusion" - or - "any links and/or coordination between the Russian government and individuals associated with the campaign of President Donald Trump".
So you got to ask yourself - how is it that nobody can find anything to pin on Trump?
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Quote:I just today read a poll that said a large majority of Trump republican voters would abandon the party and follow him. Trump seems to scratch the populist itch in a way the Tea Party promised, but never managed.
Oy. Dems and establishment Repubs are taking a wrong lesson from Trump. Instead of looking in their hearts to see where they had failed so many Americans, they just want to regain power and jam their agenda down everyone else's throat. Or else.
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Quote:1kiki, if you are waiting for a confession from Trump that he plotted to kill Pence, you won't get one from him. Unfortunately for your argument, Trump did tell the world to kill Pence unless Pence certifies Trump as the winner:
Originally posted by 1KIKI:
I just want to add this, in a place where you might read it, SECOND.
I've posted this before - that Trump is one smart dood, in a way that none of your ridicule of him as a pumpkin-faced clown seems to grasp. Maybe not smart in a way that could, say, design a refinery. But in his own way he's brilliant in knowing where the line is between what's criminal and what's debatable enough to be not quite over.
. . . PRESIDENT Trump himself will not be found with an awkward word on tape or on twitter.
On the day before the electoral college votes were to be certified, 5 January, Trump tweeted, “The Vice-President has the power to reject fraudulently chosen electors.” Hours later, Trump cornered Pence in the Oval Office. He had brought along a rightwing law professor, John Eastman, from Chapman University, who argued that Pence had the power to overturn the electoral college. Eastman had written an op-ed asserting that Kamala Harris was ineligible to run for vice-president because she was not a proper US citizen – a new birtherism. Trump told Pence Eastman was “very highly qualified”. For once, Pence stood his ground. His reverence turned into recalcitrance. He rebuffed Trump. There was a line he would not cross.
That night, after the New York Times reported that Pence felt “he would need to balance the president’s misguided beliefs about government with his own years of preaching deference to the constitution”, Trump issued a statement: “The New York Times report regarding comments Vice-President Pence supposedly made to me today is fake news. He never said that. The Vice-President and I are in total agreement that the Vice-President has the power to act.”
Before dawn on 6 January, after it was clear the Republicans had lost both seats in Georgia and with them control of the Senate, Trump frantically engaged in a tweet storm.
“States want to correct their votes, which they now know were based on irregularities and fraud, plus corrupt process never received legislative approval. All Mike Pence has to do is send them back to the States, AND WE WIN. Do it Mike, this is a time for extreme courage!”
Then Trump called Pence at the vice-presidential residence, the Naval Observatory, to deliver an ultimatum. “You can either go down in history as a patriot, or you can go down in history as a pussy,” Trump said. But Pence spurned him again. Pence hung up and got into his motorcade. As he drove to the Capitol, Trump mounted the platform at his “Stop the Steal” rally outside the White House, to address thousands of followers.
Trump knew Pence intended to perform his constitutionally prescribed duty to preside over the process that would seal Joe Biden’s election. Pence had repeatedly told Trump that was what he would do. Trump had tried every means to dislodge him from his position, but Pence proved immovable. Trump’s call that morning, threatening him as a “pussy”, was the last desperate gambit.
Trump knew the string was played out.
But when he addressed the crowd he had assembled, Trump pretended he did not know what Pence was going to do. Stung by Pence’s emphatic refusal, he knew he was retailing a false narrative. He feigned that Pence had not yet made up his mind – and that the entire decision now depended upon him. Trump built up the dramatic suspense, stoked the crowd’s anger and directed its fixation. Trump turned the entire crisis on to Pence.
Trump referred to Pence 13 times in his speech: I hope Mike is going to do the right thing. I hope so. I hope so. Because if Mike Pence does the right thing, we win the election.
At 2.24pm, amid the mayhem, Trump tweeted: “Mike Pence didn’t have the courage to do what should have been done to protect our country and our constitut
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The former President screamed inside his Florida resort as his defense team unrolled slapdash and illogical counter-arguments, sources told CNN's Kaitlan Collins. His lawyers made a bad case badly.
The opening day of the trial begged the question: what level of comical flailing by an outmatched legal team would convince 17 Republican Senators to put the national interest before their own political futures and split with a former President who is still beloved in the party's grassroots?
The central truth of Trump's tumultuous White House term held firm: Most Republican Senators are still too scared to cross him.
Democrats managed to add only one GOP senator -- Louisiana's Bill Cassidy -- to five of his colleagues who had already signaled they believed the trial was constitutional.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/10/politics/donald-trump-impeachment-trial
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Lionel Hutz is Trump's Lawyer:
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Originally posted by 1KIKI:Quote:I just today read a poll that said a large majority of Trump republican voters would abandon the party and follow him. Trump seems to scratch the populist itch in a way the Tea Party promised, but never managed.
Oy. Dems and establishment Repubs are taking a wrong lesson from Trump. Instead of looking in their hearts to see where they had failed so many Americans, they just want to regain power and jam their agenda down everyone else's throat. Or else.
I don't even have to abandon the party. The Republican Party sucks. It just happens to suck slightly less than the Democrat Party does right now.
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The former President screamed inside his Florida resort as his defense team unrolled slapdash and illogical counter-arguments, sources told CNN's Kaitlan Collins. His lawyers made a bad case badly.
"Sources", huh?
Who was in the room with him? Borat, his "underage" daughter and a few Russian Hookers pissing on him in bed?
Maybe he was just screaming because he didn't want to get pissed on anymore and Borat wasn't listening to the safe word.
God you're dumb.
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Senator Mike Lee: Every President Should Be Allowed One Failed Coup Attempt
https://www.patheos.com/blogs/progressivesecularhumanist/2021/02/senat
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Hours before the second impeachment trial of now-former President Donald Trump began in Washington, Utah Senator Mike Lee (R) said Trump deserved a “mulligan” for his involvement in the riots at the U.S. Capitol that left five people dead.
Oopsy! Just a coup attempt complete with terrorism, murder, and smearing shit all over the capitol. C'mon, guys. We don't have to hold anyone accountable! Forget about it!
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I just hope this impeachment trial gets to the bottom of who riled up that violent mob waving all those Trump flags. What a mystery!
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Why Republicans are going to war with reality
https://www.alternet.org/2021/02/rand-paul/?utm_source=&utm_medium
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The reason the Senate Republicans are questioning a certainty (i.e., Jesus God, yes, it's constitutional to prosecute a former president, will you please knock it off already?) is the same reason all Republicans are so often certain about things that might actually be in question. The truth is always a threat. Deference to truth is always tyranny. What's important is authority. Their authority. Their authority over you and everyone you love. And once you start seeing the deep authoritarianism of most of the Republicans in the Congress, once you start seeing the deep authoritarianism of millions of your fellow Americans, you also start seeing lying isn't something they do merely to get what they want. Lying is something they do, because lying is the point.
Remember that Rand Paul and other Senate Republicans have something you don't. They have a global right-wing media apparatus to not only amplify their lies, but bend perception away from political reality and toward a favorable fictional one. To lie at this grand a scale is to create a world in which morality is perverted, politics is barbarous, and whole populations can be pushed around and told what to believe, and not only that: they want to believe, because the lies have become so totalizing that everything being upside down, backwards and prolapsed seems normal, rational and worthy of defended in the name of muh freedom. When everyone says the sky is green when the truth is in plain sight, everyone is not merely trying to deceive you. Everyone is maintaining a perversion in which speaking truthfully could inspire your murder.
The House Democratic impeachment managers are going to push through the Republicans' lies in order to reveal the whole truth to the American people about their former president, which is this: Donald Trump committed a heinous presidential crime worthy, at the very least, of being disqualified for life from holding public office. This is as it should be, but let's not forget what the lies themselves reveal.
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Quote:Trump's lawyer gave the boss something to scream about: Bruce Castor Jr. said, "The people are smart enough ... to pick a new administration if they don't like the old one. And they just did." Then, soon after, Castor added that this is commonplace: "The people get tired of an administration they don't want. And they know how to change it. And they just did." Castor's assertion about what the people "just did" is obvious to anyone who is willing to acknowledge reality. Except Trump has tried hard to create an alternative reality and has a reason to scream at his lawyer.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:
Originally posted by second:
The former President screamed inside his Florida resort as his defense team unrolled slapdash and illogical counter-arguments, sources told CNN's Kaitlan Collins. His lawyers made a bad case badly.
"Sources", huh?
Who was in the room with him? Borat, his "underage" daughter and a few Russian Hookers pissing on him in bed?
Maybe he was just screaming because he didn't want to get pissed on anymore and Borat wasn't listening to the safe word.
God you're dumb.
Trump has declared again and again that the people actually reelected him in a "landslide" and that fraud and theft cheated him out of his rightful victory. (He repeated this nonsense even in the video he tweeted out during the Capitol insurrection.) Today, Trump better fire his lawyer who can't agree with Trump about who won.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/10/politics/fact-check-bruce-castor-lawyer
-impeachment-trump-lost-election/index.html
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The Show Trial of Donald Trump
Isn't that what they did in the USSR?
Anyway, The Duran had a thoughtful analysis of this charade.
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The Show Trial of Donald Trump
Isn't that what they did in the USSR?
Anyway, The Duran had a thoughtful analysis of this charade.
As for show trials, Signym, as usual you are full of shit:
The Moscow Trials led to the execution of many of the defendants. They are generally seen as part of Stalin's Great Purge, a campaign to rid the party of current or prior opposition, including Trotskyists and leading Bolshevik cadre from the time of the Russian Revolution or earlier, who might even potentially become a figurehead for the growing discontent in the Soviet populace resulting from Stalin's mismanagement of the economy.
Stalin's hasty industrialization during the period of the First Five Year Plan and the brutality of the forced agricultural collectivization had led to an acute economic and political crisis in 1928–1933, a part of the global problem known as the Great Depression, and to enormous suffering on the part of the Soviet workers and peasants. Stalin was acutely conscious of this fact and took steps to prevent it taking the form of an opposition inside the Communist Party of the Soviet Union to his increasingly totalitarian rule.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moscow_Trials
By the way, Signym, the double headed eagle insignia worn by the talking heads of your video are associated with Russia while The Duran sponsoring the video is out of Nicosia, Cyprus.
http://www.vam.ac.uk/content/articles/r/russia-double-headed-eagle/
https://drnshop.com/
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Show Trials ...
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a campaign to rid the party of current or prior opposition, includingTrotskyists and leading Bolshevik cadre from the time of the Russian Revolution or earlier,populists, antiwar and anti-corporate leftists, conservatives, and Libertarians who might even potentially become a figurehead for the growing discontent in theSovietAmerican populace resulting fromStalin'scorporate mismanagement of the economy.
Thanks for making my argument for me.
:-)
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Quote:Trump won't be executed, so it is NOT a Russian show trial. And he won't be convicted for a murder plot against Mike Pence because there are only about 6 Republican Senators who aren't afraid of Trump. And none of the evidence presented by the Democrats is faked, nor are confessions coerced by torture, so again, completely unlike the Russian show trials.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Show Trials ...Quote:
a campaign to rid the party of current or prior opposition, includingTrotskyists and leading Bolshevik cadre from the time of the Russian Revolution or earlier,populists, antiwar and anti-corporate leftists, conservatives, and Libertarians who might even potentially become a figurehead for the growing discontent in theSovietAmerican populace resulting fromStalin'scorporate mismanagement of the economy.
Thanks for making my argument for me.
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Quote:Of course this isn't a "Russian"show trial! Is this Russia? Gawd, you're stupid. This is the American version!
SIGNYM: Show Trials ...Quote:
a campaign to rid the party of current or prior opposition, includingTrotskyists and leading Bolshevik cadre from the time of the Russian Revolution or earlier,populists, antiwar and anti-corporate leftists, conservatives, and Libertarians who might even potentially become a figurehead for the growing discontent in theSovietAmerican populace resulting fromStalin'scorporate mismanagement of the economy.
Thanks for making my argument for me.
SECONDRATE: Trump won't be executed, so it is NOT a Russian show trial.
Quote:That's because he didn't engage in a plot to murder Pence, and there is no evidence that he did.
And he won't be convicted for a murder plot against Mike Pence because there are only about 6 Republican Senators who aren't afraid of Trump.
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Quote:At 2.24pm, amid the mayhem, Trump tweeted: “Mike Pence didn’t have the courage to do what should have been done to protect our country and our constitution, giving states a chance to certify a corrected set of facts, not the fraudulent or inaccurate ones which they were asked to previously certify. USA demands the truth!”
Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:That's because he didn't engage in a plot to murder Pence, and there is no evidence that he did.
And he won't be convicted for a murder plot against Mike Pence because there are only about 6 Republican Senators who aren't afraid of Trump.
Dozens of messages immediately appeared on Gab, a social media networking site favored by neo-Nazis and white supremacists, encouraging those inside the Capitol to capture Pence.
“I heard at least three different rioters at the Capitol say that they hoped to find Vice-President Mike Pence and execute him by hanging him from a Capitol Hill tree as a traitor,” reported Jim Bourg, the Reuters picture editor in Washington. “It was a common line being repeated. Many more were just talking about how the VP should be executed.”
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/feb/07/mike-pence-donal
d-trump-republicans-religion-evangelical
Tell all the lies you want, Signym. Nothing can stop you.
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Quote:Do you see in there any instruction to "get" Pence?
“Mike Pence didn’t have the courage to do what should have been done to protect our country and our constitution, giving states a chance to certify a corrected set of facts, not the fraudulent or inaccurate ones which they were asked to previously certify. USA demands the truth!”
No?
It's like the "incitement" charge and the "quid prop quo" charge and the "Russian collusion" charge" ... all of it hogwash, not supported by anything Trump said, or did.
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Quote:You're so fucking stupid, Russian troll. The terrorists were calling for Pence's death. It's recorded, multiple times.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:Do you see in there any instruction to "get" Pence?
“Mike Pence didn’t have the courage to do what should have been done to protect our country and our constitution, giving states a chance to certify a corrected set of facts, not the fraudulent or inaccurate ones which they were asked to previously certify. USA demands the truth!”
No?
It's like the "incitement" charge and the "quid prop quo" charge and the "Russian collusion" charge" ... all of it hogwash, not supported by anything Trump said, or did.
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Lots of new footage of the capitol terrorist attack.
One thing that cannot be disputed is that this was planned and coordinated by trumptard terrorists.
The Republican party is a terrorist organization, giving them obvious aid and comfort.
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Quote:You're so fucking stupid. The question is, was TRUMP calling for Pence's death. Unless of course you want to 'convict' Trump for something he didn't do ... because you're so American and on board with the American precepts of justice?
The terrorists were calling for Pence's death. It's recorded, multiple times.
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Quote:REAVERBOT is nothing if not anti-American. He seems not to be familiar with American justice and the Constitution. IS he American?
Originally posted by 1KIKI:Quote:You're so fucking stupid. The question is, was TRUMP calling for Pence's death. Unless of course you want to 'convict' Trump for something he didn't do ... because you're so American and on board with the American precepts of justice?
The terrorists were calling for Pence's death. It's recorded, multiple times.
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Quote:Says the Russian troll who is paid to destroy America. You're worthless. You need to end your life.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:REAVERBOT is nothing if not anti-American. He seems not to be familiar with American justice and the Constitution. IS he American?
Originally posted by 1KIKI:Quote:You're so fucking stupid. The question is, was TRUMP calling for Pence's death. Unless of course you want to 'convict' Trump for something he didn't do ... because you're so American and on board with the American precepts of justice?
The terrorists were calling for Pence's death. It's recorded, multiple times.
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She's back from the garbage pile.
Sarah Palin's DEVASTATING Interview with Piers Morgan
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Quote:Not sure what your count is at, SIX, but this is for posterity.
Originally posted by reaverfan:Quote:Says the Russian troll who is paid to destroy America. You're worthless. You need to end your life.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:REAVERBOT is nothing if not anti-American. He seems not to be familiar with American justice and the Constitution. IS he American?
Originally posted by 1KIKI:Quote:You're so fucking stupid. The question is, was TRUMP calling for Pence's death. Unless of course you want to 'convict' Trump for something he didn't do ... because you're so American and on board with the American precepts of justice?
The terrorists were calling for Pence's death. It's recorded, multiple times.
*****
REAVERBOT, don't you ever get bored of hating nonstop? You're sure boring ME.
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RF doesn't hate, at least, not in the way he portrays when he posts. All the trolling is merely a tactic in a larger strategy, which is not 'his' own.
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:Not sure what your count is at, SIX, but this is for posterity.
Originally posted by reaverfan:Quote:Says the Russian troll who is paid to destroy America. You're worthless. You need to end your life.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:REAVERBOT is nothing if not anti-American. He seems not to be familiar with American justice and the Constitution. IS he American?
Originally posted by 1KIKI:Quote:You're so fucking stupid. The question is, was TRUMP calling for Pence's death. Unless of course you want to 'convict' Trump for something he didn't do ... because you're so American and on board with the American precepts of justice?
The terrorists were calling for Pence's death. It's recorded, multiple times.
*****
REAVERBOT, don't you ever get bored of hating nonstop? You're sure boring ME.
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Oh. I missed that one.
Twenty.
Hard to believe that it's been 9 days since the last one. That can't be possible. I must have missed others.
Oh well.
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Quote:Back when I was an employee, the boss could give me simple orders like "Stop The Steal." Without the help from the boss, I could make all the travel arrangements, get packed and show up where the boss wanted me to be on the day he told me. Then I handled the problem in my own way without further instruction from the boss. I knew I was following the will of my boss. The client knew I was following the will of my boss ("Stop The Steal") even if I wasn't in touch with boss at anytime once I arrived at my destination.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:Do you see in there any instruction to "get" Pence?
At 2.24pm, amid the mayhem, Trump tweeted: “Mike Pence didn’t have the courage to do what should have been done to protect our country and our constitution, giving states a chance to certify a corrected set of facts, not the fraudulent or inaccurate ones which they were asked to previously certify. USA demands the truth!”
Dozens of messages immediately appeared on Gab, a social media networking site favored by neo-Nazis and white supremacists, encouraging those inside the Capitol to capture Pence.
“I heard at least three different rioters at the Capitol say that they hoped to find Vice-President Mike Pence and execute him by hanging him from a Capitol Hill tree as a traitor,” reported Jim Bourg, the Reuters picture editor in Washington. “It was a common line being repeated. Many more were just talking about how the VP should be executed.”
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/feb/07/mike-pence-donal
d-trump-republicans-religion-evangelical
Tell all the lies you want, Signym. Nothing can stop you.
No?
It's like the "incitement" charge and the "quid prop quo" charge and the "Russian collusion" charge" ... all of it hogwash, not supported by anything Trump said, or did.
The rioters, much like me, were given simple instructions to "Stop The Steal" by Donald Trump, their boss. They were told where and when to "Stop The Steal" by Trump. The rioters were even told who to have a meeting with: V.P. Mike Pence.
But the rioters' boss, Donald Trump, was there that day. Trump even talked to Pence about "Stop The Steal" just before Trump talked to the rioters about "Stop The Steal" since Pence wasn't cooperating with solving Trump's election problem. And guess what? The rioters did "Stop The Steal". But because Pence got away, the next day Pence stole the election away from Trump by certifying Biden as the winner. If I had been in the riot, I would have "Stop The Steal" permanently, not like those dummy rioters who only delayed it for hours. Then I'd be on the plane back to Houston with my mission accomplished.
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Fox News Is Destroying America
Lots of studies have demonstrated the power of Fox News. For example, here's one from June of 2020 showing that in places where Fox News is easier to get (by having a lower position on the cable dial), more people ignored advice about staying at home and wearing masks in the early stages of COVID-19. This was the period in mid-March when Fox News was telling everyone that the pandemic was nothing to worry about. https://ideas.repec.org/p/osf/socarx/abqe5.html
Future studies will undoubtedly find that in places where Fox News is more widely available, more people also believed that the 2020 election had been stolen. Nick Kristof gets it:
Fox helped sell Trump’s lie about a stolen election, propelling true believers like Ashli Babbitt — a fan of Fox personalities like Tucker Carlson — to storm the Capitol. Babbitt died in the attack, while this week Fox Corporation merrily reported a 17 percent jump in quarterly earnings.
....We can’t impeach Fox or put Carlson or Sean Hannity on trial in the Senate.
More at https://jabberwocking.com/fox-news-is-destroying-america/
Fox News is the reason why rank-and-file Republicans believe in stuff like stolen elections and socialists coming to take over America. They believe it because they hear it over and over and over from folks on TV who wear suits and ties and act like news anchors. When Trump said the same things as FOX, he was wearing a suit and tie and had a more lofty position of authority than a FOX News personality.
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So?
MSNBC, WaPo, NYT, CNN, etc pushed the "Russian collusion" lie for more than three years. I conclude that it's not good to believe ANY media, but do you due diligence about current events.
Also, Fox News isn't necessarily wrong about the election. Until it's been audited throughly, we'll never know. But the data is suspiciously weird.
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Fox News is no worse than CNN or MSNBC. All any of them do is speak to cultists in between selling Car Insurance and Reverse Mortgages.
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Quote:As for the 2020 Election, let me know when that audit is completed, the one that 1kiki and you are constantly talking about. Also tell me when it gets started, because I haven't heard about the start.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
So?
MSNBC, WaPo, NYT, CNN, etc pushed the "Russian collusion" lie for more than three years. I conclude that it's not good to believe ANY media, but do you due diligence about current events.
Also, Fox News isn't necessarily wrong about the election. Until it's been audited throughly, we'll never know. But the data is suspiciously weird.
The Russian thingy was about Russian interference in the 2016 election, but Trump made it into a thingy about himself because he is a nutjob. By the way, Signym, here are four things Trump never grasped, ranked from most important to least important:
1) Rod Rosenstein appointed Mueller to do a “full and thorough investigation of the Russian government’s efforts to interfere in the 2016 presidential election”.
https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/3726408/Rosenstein-letter-a
ppointing-Mueller-special.pdf
2) The Senate found that Russia interfered.
https://www.hsdl.org/c/final-report-on-russian-interference-in-2016-el
ections/
3) Mueller found that Russia interfered: “The Internet Research Agency (IRA) carried out the earliest Russian interference operations identified by the investigation—a social media campaign designed to provoke and amplify political and social discord in the United States. The IRA was based in St. Petersburg. Russia, and received funding from Russian oligarch Yevgeniy Prigozhin and companies he controlled. Prigozhin is widely reported to have ties to Russian President Vladimir Putin.”
“At the same time that the IRA operation began to focus on supporting candidate Trump in early 2016. the Russian government employed a second form of interference: cyber intrusions (hacking) and releases of hacked materials damaging to the Clinton Campaign. The Russian intelligence service known as the Main Intelligence Directorate of the General Staff of the Russian Army (GRU) carried out these operations.”
https://www.justice.gov/storage/report.pdf
4) Trump interfered with the investigation of Russia. Mueller’s Volume 2 said: “Our obstruction-of-justice inquiry focused on a series of actions by the President that related to the Russian-interference investigations, including the President’s conduct towards the law enforcement officials overseeing the investigations and the witnesses to relevant events.”
https://www.justice.gov/storage/report.pdf
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Trump's pathology infects the millions who follow him -- and this narcissistic symbiosis could grow even worse
https://www.rawstory.com/trumps-mental-pathology/?utm_source=&utm_
medium=email&utm_campaign=6547
We warned of an authoritarian cult of personality and growing contempt for the rule of law, which would spread throughout the culture unless stopped. Donald Trump's presidency was dangerous not because of his individual afflictions but his capacity, as president, to amplify and exacerbate society's defects, especially if he faced no accountability.
To the end of his presidency, he was not contained or held accountable. The American Psychiatric Association advanced a perverse version of "the Goldwater rule" to silence expert alarms, the way the Department of Justice revived a controversial internal Office of the Legal Counsel memo to place a president above the law. As a result, Donald Trump may have left the office of the presidency, but "Trumpism" not only continues but flourishes. As the House managers in the impeachment trial have reminded us with their effective use of videos of the Capitol insurrection, the Trump infection, once spread, manifests in deadly, violent behavior.
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Quote:Then you should stop blathering about how the election was proven to be valid.
SIGNYM:
So?
MSNBC, WaPo, NYT, CNN, etc pushed the "Russian collusion" lie for more than three years. I conclude that it's not good to believe ANY media, but do you due diligence about current events.
Also, Fox News isn't necessarily wrong about the election. Until it's been audited throughly, we'll never know. But the data is suspiciously weird.
SECONDRATE: As for the 2020 Election, let me know when that audit is completed, the one that 1kiki and you are constantly talking about. Also tell me when it gets started, because I haven't heard about the start.
Quote:
The Russian thingy was about Russian interference in the 2016 election, but Trump made it into a thingy about himself because he is a nutjob.
Huh. And the surveillance of Flynn, Papadoupolis, Carter Page, AND TRUMP (and his family) WEREN'T about Trump?
The "dossier" WASN'T "about Trump?
Why didn't anyone talk to Assange? HE knew where the emails came from!
And if the FBI, CIA, MI6, NSA, and DOJ (Mueller) couldn't - between the five of them - couldn't scrape together enough evidence to take to trial the one Russian company that they indicted, I'd say their "investigation" was a shabby one and focused elsewhere.
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Wow. The Russian troll can fuck up anything. ^ So fullashit.
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Signym, you have not stopped playing games about Russia Interference with the 2016 election. You won't admit it happened. Trump won't admit it either. Trump won't even concede that he lost in 2020, presumably because he is waiting for what hasn't been started -- an audit of the 2020 election. But one audit is complete:
Final Report on Russian Interference in 2016 Elections ( August 18, 2020, 4 years too late)
https://www.hsdl.org/c/final-report-on-russian-interference-in-2016-el
ections/
Quote:I'm sure Trump would have been willing to serve until the audit of the 2020 election was finished. If that audit was as slow to finish, Trump would serve 4 more years before Signym's preferred auditor validated who the winner was in 2020.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Then you should stop blathering about how the election was proven to be valid.
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Originally posted by reaverfan:
We warned of an authoritarian cult of personality and growing contempt for the rule of law, which would spread throughout the culture unless stopped. Donald Trump's presidency was dangerous not because of his individual afflictions but his capacity, as president, to amplify and exacerbate society's defects, especially if he faced no accountability.
The cognitive dissonance on display here would be astounding if I didn't expose myself to it every day here in the RWED.
That being said... *yawn*
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Quote:The irony.^ This alkie troll with brain damage is too stupid to see it. His ignorance is caused by his malfunctioning brain, but he loves being stupid, and he's great at it. No knowledge of politics OR history.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:
Originally posted by reaverfan:
We warned of an authoritarian cult of personality and growing contempt for the rule of law, which would spread throughout the culture unless stopped. Donald Trump's presidency was dangerous not because of his individual afflictions but his capacity, as president, to amplify and exacerbate society's defects, especially if he faced no accountability.
The cognitive dissonance on display here would be astounding if I didn't expose myself to it every day here in the RWED.
That being said... *yawn*
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Quote:Says the poster who knows no history.
Originally posted by reaverfan:Quote:The irony.^ This alkie troll with brain damage is too stupid to see it. His ignorance is caused by his malfunctioning brain, but he loves being stupid, and he's great at it. No knowledge of politics OR history.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:
Originally posted by reaverfan:
We warned of an authoritarian cult of personality and growing contempt for the rule of law, which would spread throughout the culture unless stopped. Donald Trump's presidency was dangerous not because of his individual afflictions but his capacity, as president, to amplify and exacerbate society's defects, especially if he faced no accountability.
The cognitive dissonance on display here would be astounding if I didn't expose myself to it every day here in the RWED.
That being said... *yawn*
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Quote:Says the poster (and Trump) who won't concede the 2020 election until their preferred auditor reports on who won. The audit has not started, but the inauguration, set by the Constitution, which doesn't allow for delays based on audits, was 3 weeks ago.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Says the poster who knows no history.
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Do you see in there any instruction to "get" Pence?
No?
Quote:That's because you listen to the voices in your head instead of actual words like PEACEFULLY and PATRIOTICALLY.
I would have "Stop The Steal" permanently
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Quote:No election validation has started and it will never start because even your sainted democrats* have no interest in honest elections. And if democrats* don't do any different, how are they any better?
As for the 2020 Election, let me know when that audit is completed, the one that 1kiki and you are constantly talking about. Also tell me when it gets started, because I haven't heard about the start.
Quote:No, what made it about Trump was this part of the memo you keep ignoring -
The Russian thingy was about Russian interference in the 2016 election, but Trump made it into a thingy about himself because he is a nutjob.
Quote:the part of the memo that MADE IT ABOUT TRUMP. The part you keep ignoring where Mueller came up with zero.
any links and/or coordination between the Russian government and individuals associated with the campaign of President Donald TRUMP
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It should probably be noted that I haven't had an alcoholic beverage in over 4 years and a month.
Not only does Marcos not have a clue about history, but he's clueless about current events too.
Try to keep up, son.
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As to the 'report' on Russian interference in 2016, this is what Clapper had to say about Russia:
Quotes from Clapper's testimony:
"They did not change any vote tallies or anything of that sort"
"We had no way of gauging the impact that - certainly the intelligence community cannot gauge the impact - it had on the choices the electorate made"
In other words
- the Russians didn't alter the vote
- there is NO EVIDENCE anything the Russians did changed any minds, and claims to the contrary are simply UNEVIDENCED opinions
- the vote reflected the 'choices the electorate made'
And a vote which reflects the will of the people is certainly a goal of any self-identified democracy, don't you agree SECOND?
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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
And a vote which reflects the will of the people is certainly a goal of any self-identified democracy, don't you agree SECOND?
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Quote:1kiki, tell me all about this validation/certification you keep asking for that has to done before Trump will finally concede he lost. Who does it? When is it done? When was it last done before this election? 1kiki: you have no answers to anything because what you are asking for has never been done, ever, in any election in American history.
Originally posted by 1KIKI:Quote:No election validation has started and it will never start because even your sainted democrats* have no interest in honest elections. And if democrats* don't do any different, how are they any better?
As for the 2020 Election, let me know when that audit is completed, the one that 1kiki and you are constantly talking about. Also tell me when it gets started, because I haven't heard about the start.Quote:No, what made it about Trump was this part of the memo you keep ignoring -
The Russian thingy was about Russian interference in the 2016 election, but Trump made it into a thingy about himself because he is a nutjob.Quote:the part of the memo that MADE IT ABOUT TRUMP. The part you keep ignoring where Mueller came up with zero.
any links and/or coordination between the Russian government and individuals associated with the campaign of President Donald TRUMP
As for your bitchiness about Trump's campaign being investigated, what the fuck is going in your tiny brain? The FBI doesn't need your or TRUMP's goddamn permission to investigate. But TRUMP insisted the FBI does need his permission. That is crazy for TRUMP to think he can control the investigation of his own business. But TRUMP is crazy. Ask anybody who looked into how he conducted his life for the last 40 years. I will give you a list of books about how crazy TRUMP is. Read a few: 15 books to help you make sense of Trump, the U.S. election and the times we’re in
https://www.thestar.com/entertainment/books/2020/10/09/reading-guide-1
5-books-to-help-you-make-sense-of-trump-the-us-election-and-the-times-were-in.html
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Obviously you've read none of the links I've posted, or indeed any of my posts on the topic.
Read them and get back to me.
Otherwise - meh. Continue 'playing' dumb.
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Fake mail-in election is fake.
Period.
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DEMOCATS CAUGHT USING FAKE "EVIDENCE" AT IMPEACHMENT "TRIAL"
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At the end of its first day of argument, the Senate trial was thrown into chaos when a “juror” stood up like a scene out of Perry Mason to contest the veracity statements made by “prosecutors.” That moment came as the Senate was preparing to end for the day and Senator Mike Lee (R., Utah) jumped to his feet to object that a quote by House manager Rep. David Cicilline (D., R.I.) was false. Lee should know. They were purportedly his words. After a frenzy on the floor and a delay of proceedings, lead House manager Rep. Jamie Raskin (D., Md) announced that it would withdraw Cicilline’s statements and that “this is much ado about nothing, because it’s not critical in anyway to our case.” In reality, it had much to do about the manager’s case and highlights a glaring problem in its case. The House has elected to try this case of incitement of insurrection largely on circumstantial evidence and using media reports rather than witness testimony. It is trial by innuendo and implication rather than direct evidence of what Trump knew and intended on January 6th.
MORE AT https://jonathanturley.org/2021/02/11/the-withdrawal-of-the-words-of-t
he-house-managers-has-much-to-do-with-their-case/
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Quote:If there's anything I've come to loathe over two decades it's bad faith arguments. They're just endless these days, and they've gotten to the point where Republicans don't even bother to hide that they are wasting everyone's time.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
DEMOCATS CAUGHT USING FAKE "EVIDENCE" AT IMPEACHMENT "TRIAL"
And that's the entire story of the Republicans' defense during impeachment. The House managers could have video of Trump texting directions to the insurrectionists and it wouldn't matter. Republicans have decided to pretend that they have a deep constitutional objection to impeaching a president who's out of office, and that's that. The rest is just theater.
This is a bad faith argument and everyone knows it. Republicans don't want to convict Trump, but they also don't want to force their members to cast a vote implicitly approving of insurrection. So they groped around for some kind of technicality that would eliminate their dilemma and came up with the out-of-office dodge. This allows them to vote to acquit but to claim it was solely because of their deep commitment to constitutional norms.
There's no point arguing about this since it's not meant seriously. It's just a bad faith argument designed to get Republicans out of a dilemma and waste lots of Democratic time.
But this is the world we live in. It's full of bad faith arguments like this, designed solely to produce a plausible explanation for the rubes and to waste everyone else's time. And it works. The rubes and Signym obediently parrot it back.
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Trump impeachment trial: Day 2 key moments
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Nobody cares.
You watching this at your job in between firing Republicans or something?
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Quote:Trumptards fire themselves. Or set themselves on fire in self-immolation by smoking in bed while drunk or stoned. There has been dozens of times where some guy who has been a pain in my ass did the right thing and died suddenly, either accidentally, medically, or suicidally.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Nobody cares.
You watching this at your job in between firing Republicans or something?
There's a prayer that works for me, which is why I am not an atheist: "God is great, God is good, please God, strike down fools and Trumptards." But it might be that fools and Trumptards are naturally short lived creatures, much like the ungulates cattle and deer. Whichever, Praise the Lord!
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Quote:Trump stupidly almost killed himself. Trump was sicker with Covid-19 in October than publicly acknowledged at the time, with extremely depressed blood oxygen levels and a lung problem associated with pneumonia caused by the coronavirus. If Trump had gone to his quack doctor Bornstein rather than Walter Reed, he'd be dead. Praise the Lord!
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Nobody cares.
You watching this at your job in between firing Republicans or something?
https://web.archive.org/web/20210212164035/https://www.nytimes.com/202
1/02/11/us/politics/trump-coronavirus.html
Bornstein, dead, had memorably predicted his patient “will be the healthiest individual elected to the presidency.”
https://www.politico.com/news/2021/01/14/harold-bornstein-trump-ex-doc
tor-dies-459293
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DEMOCRATS, HOIST ON THEIR OWN PETARDS OF "INVALID ELECTIONS", "ILLEGITIMATE PRESIDENTS", AND "SHAM IMPEACHMENTS"
AND ON THEIR OWN PETARD OF "INCITEMENT"
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Originally posted by second:Quote:Trump stupidly almost killed himself. Trump was sicker with Covid-19 in October than publicly acknowledged at the time, with extremely depressed blood oxygen levels and a lung problem associated with pneumonia caused by the coronavirus. If Trump had gone to his quack doctor Bornstein rather than Walter Reed, he'd be dead. Praise the Lord!
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Nobody cares.
You watching this at your job in between firing Republicans or something?
https://web.archive.org/web/20210212164035/https://www.nytimes.com/202
1/02/11/us/politics/trump-coronavirus.html
Bornstein, dead, had memorably predicted his patient “will be the healthiest individual elected to the presidency.”
https://www.politico.com/news/2021/01/14/harold-bornstein-trump-ex-doc
tor-dies-459293
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Does this count as taking glee from somebody he doesn't agree with dying?
I can't bother to do any more than skim his bullshit these days.
If it is, I'll add it to the list and archive.
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Quote:Add this to your archive: Trump would have died if he had gone to the quack who had been his doctor for 35 years, Bornstein, rather than Walter Reed Medical Center. Trump caught Covid-19 because he is stupid. I know dozens of Trumptards who died because they are stupid. Their lives at work are difficult because they are stupid. Would their political choices be smart? No.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Does this count as taking glee from somebody he doesn't agree with dying?
I can't bother to do any more than skim his bullshit these days.
If it is, I'll add it to the list and archive.
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Quote:Focus on what Trump did, Signym. Trump is charged with inciting the rioters during the Capitol insurrection that led to five deaths.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
DEMOCRATS, HOIST ON THEIR OWN PETARDS OF "INVALID ELECTIONS", "ILLEGITIMATE PRESIDENTS", AND "SHAM IMPEACHMENTS"
AND ON THEIR OWN PETARD OF "INCITEMENT"
In a statement, Beutler reiterated that sharp words were exchanged between Trump and McCarthy which she said showed the former president's state of mind and that he had refused to call off the rioters.
"When McCarthy finally reached the president on January 6 and asked him to publicly and forcefully call off the riot, the president initially repeated the falsehood that it was Antifa that had breached the Capitol," she said.
"McCarthy refuted that and told the president that these were Trump supporters. That's when, according to McCarthy, the president said: 'Well, Kevin, I guess these people are more upset about the election than you are."
https://www.newsweek.com/impeachment-capitol-riots-donald-trump-kevin-
mccarthy-jaime-herrera-beutler-more-upset-1569089
Trump's comment set off what Republican lawmakers familiar with the call described as a shouting match between the two men. A furious McCarthy told the then-President the rioters were breaking into his office through the windows, and asked Trump, "Who the f--k do you think you are talking to?" according to a Republican lawmaker familiar with the call.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/12/politics/trump-mccarthy-shouting-match-
details/index.html
As a prosecution manager, Rep. Ted Lieu of California, argued Thursday: "I'm not afraid of Donald Trump running again in four years. I'm afraid he's going to run again and lose." Lieu didn't say it but I will: And then Trump calls his supporters to D.C. in 4 years to "Stop the Steal" once again and pretends, again, the riot isn't his.
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I watched some of the hearings yesterday...BOY DID YOU SCUMOCRATS GET YER ASSES HANDED TO YA!! By the way, how's that Lincoln Project working out for ya?
Democrat, rhymes with sewer rat - whozit 2021
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Quote:Whataboutism isn't a valid argument. Only a Russian troll who hates America would make the false claim that the defense said anything of value.
Originally posted by whozit:
I watched some of the hearings yesterday...BOY DID YOU SCUMOCRATS GET YER ASSES HANDED TO YA!! By the way, how's that Lincoln Project working out for ya?
Democrat, rhymes with sewer rat - whozit 2021
They lost, bigly. They got their asses handed to THEM. You should have watched the whole thing.
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Trump and McCarthy SHOUTING Call During Capitol Siege: WHO THE F*** DO YOU THINK YOU ARE TALKING TO?
Trump incited the mob, and reveled in the death and destruction he, personally, had caused.
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Quote:Trump’s falsehoods haunt local election workers with death threats weeks after Capitol siege
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
DEMOCRATS, HOIST ON THEIR OWN PETARDS OF "INVALID ELECTIONS", "ILLEGITIMATE PRESIDENTS", AND "SHAM IMPEACHMENTS"
AND ON THEIR OWN PETARD OF "INCITEMENT"
His staff endured racist taunts. His voicemail overflowed with threats and wild conspiracy theories. And then one day, a caller warned that the Christmas Day bombing in Nashville "was a practice run for what was coming to our polling places."
The abuse and threats hurled at Fulton County, Georgia, Elections Director Richard Barron and his staff in Atlanta between last year's general election and the state's high-stakes Senate runoffs on January 5 marked a new low in his 21-year career working on elections.
Around the country, election supervisors and the rank-and-file workers who helped carry out the nuts and bolts of American democracy still are reeling from the barrage of threats and the flood of falsehoods they had to navigate as they helped a record number of people cast ballots in a pandemic.
The baseless claims of election fraud promoted by former President Donald Trump and his allies may have reached their deadly apogee on January 6, when a pro-Trump mob stormed the US Capitol in an effort to stop the certification of the presidential contest. But election officials said they still are coping with the fallout weeks later -- as they face voters still skeptical of the results and new skirmishes with state lawmakers over how to run elections moving forward.
In Arizona -- where election officials in Phoenix saw nightly protests as they tallied votes last November -- members of the Republican-controlled Senate weighed contempt charges for members of the Maricopa County Board of Supervisors, on grounds that they had refused to comply with demands to hand over images of every mail-in ballot for review.
Some senators threatened board members with arrest.
In the end, the Senate voted against holding the Maricopa officials in contempt, with one GOP lawmaker, Sen. Paul Boyer, breaking with his caucus to block the effort.
President Joe Biden's win in populous Maricopa cemented his victory in Arizona, making him the first Democrat since Bill Clinton in 1996 to carry the state.
"Some of our voters are upset with us," Maricopa County Supervisor Bill Gates, one of four Republicans on the five-member board, told CNN. "They wanted to see us come out with a different decision when we certified the votes. But to me, there was no choice to make. I mean, the votes were cast. It was a fair election."
Maricopa County officials received death threats after certifying the results, Gates said.
More at https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/13/politics/threats-still-haunt-election-o
fficials/index.html
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Fake mail-in election was fake.
Period.
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Originally posted by second:Quote:Add this to your archive: Trump would have died if he had gone to the quack who had been his doctor for 35 years, Bornstein, rather than Walter Reed Medical Center. Trump caught Covid-19 because he is stupid. I know dozens of Trumptards who died because they are stupid. Their lives at work are difficult because they are stupid. Would their political choices be smart? No.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Does this count as taking glee from somebody he doesn't agree with dying?
I can't bother to do any more than skim his bullshit these days.
If it is, I'll add it to the list and archive.
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Nah...
That's pretty stupid, but it's not really archive material.
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The First Amendment argument: This is the reddest herring of all.
Consider this scenario: A president, clad in full Ku Klux Klan regalia, summons cameras to the Oval Office, newly bedecked in swastikas, to announce that he believes the Constitution is a joke and that he will no longer follow it. Is his ability to make these outrageous statements or display the Nazi emblem fully protected by the First Amendment? Yes. Would it be entirely within Congress’s prerogative — indeed, its duty — to impeach him for it? You bet.
Trump lawyer Michael van der Veen had the nerve to denounce a letter from 144 First Amendment scholars dismissing Trump’s First Amendment argument as “legally frivolous” for being a “partisan” document. The letter was signed by, among other conservatives, Federalist Society founder Steven Calabresi.
https://lawandcrime.com/impeachment/nearly-150-constitutional-scholars
-reject-trumps-legal-defense-the-first-amendment-does-not-apply-in-impeachment-proceedings/
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The refusal to answer about what and when Trump knew about the insurrection:
This is a bizarre and particularly infuriating subset of the due process claim. Sens. Susan Collins (R-Maine) and Lisa Murkowski (R-Alaska) asked a simple question, “Exactly when did President Trump learn of the breach of the Capitol, and what specific actions did he take to bring the rioting to an end, and when did he take them?” The response? Chutzpah, thy name is van der Veen. “The House managers have given us absolutely no evidence, one way or the other, on that question,” he blustered. “With the rush to bring this impeachment, there has been absolutely no investigation into that. And that is the problem with this entire proceeding. The House managers did zero investigation, and the American people deserve a lot better than coming in here with no evidence, hearsay on top of hearsay on top of reports that are hearsay. Due process is required here, and that was denied.”
Are you kidding me? His client refused the managers’ request to testify. And Trump is van der Veen’s client. Ask him, maybe?
When van der Veen offered information about Trump’s knowledge that day, in response to another question, from Collins and Sen. Mitt Romney (R-Utah), it was false. “At no point was the president informed the vice president was in any danger,” he asserted. “Because the House rushed through this impeachment in seven days with no evidence, there is nothing at all in the record on this point because the House failed to do even a minimum amount of due diligence.” But as Sen. Bill Cassidy (R-La.) pointed out in another question, Sen. Tommy Tuberville (R-Ala.) has stated that he spoke with Trump at 2:15 p.m. on Jan. 6 and told the president that Vice President Mike Pence had just been evacuated from the Senate chamber. “I dispute the facts that are laid out in that question," van der Veen said, "and, unfortunately, we are not going to know the answer to the facts in this proceeding because the House did nothing to investigate what was going on.”
https://www.wthitv.com/content/national/573789352.html
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Quote:Except, they may be truths. There's more evidence for THIS election being stolen than there ever was for RUSSIA!RUSSIA! collusion.
SIGNYM:
DEMOCRATS, HOIST ON THEIR OWN PETARDS OF "INVALID ELECTIONS", "ILLEGITIMATE PRESIDENTS", AND "SHAM IMPEACHMENTS"
AND ON THEIR OWN PETARD OF "INCITEMENT"
SECONDRATE: Trump’s falsehoods...
Too bad you've already posted that NO INVESTIGATION WAS EVER STATRTED, because now you can't demonstrate that we know for sure that the election was honest.
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The contention that evidence of advance planning for the assault on the Capitol somehow exculpates Trump from responsibility:
“The fact that the attacks were apparently premeditated, as alleged by the House managers, demonstrates the ludicrousness of the incitement allegation against the president,” van der Veen thundered. “You can't incite what was already going to happen.”
This deliberately obtuse argument seeks to confine the charge against Trump to the single episode of his Jan. 6 speech. But that wasn’t the House case. The managers showed how he revved up his followers into believing the big lie that the election had been stolen from him; how he stoked their fury in the weeks following the election; and how he summoned them to Washington on the very day that the electoral votes were to be certified. The speech was simply the culmination of Trump’s incitement. Trump was in on the incitement — he was the incitement — from start to finish. The premeditation, which suggests evidence of menace that Trump knew or should have known about, doesn’t excuse Trump — it deepens his responsibility.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/02/13/trumps-impeachment-
lawyers-had-weak-case-argued-badly/
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Quote:Oh, you mean the NON-insurrection?
Originally posted by SECONDRATE:
The refusal to answer about what and when Trump knew about the insurrection
That's what this charade is all about, isn't it? Getting to repeat dog whistles over and over in the media?
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Quote:The DNC's ... and SECONDRATE'S... big lie about "the big lie".
Originally posted by SECONDRATE But that wasn’t the House case. The managers showed how he revved up his followers into believing the big lie
More dog whistles.
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Quote:Trump has been claiming for a year that the election will be stolen. This is not the first time Trump has made claims about election fraud. It has been a part of his playbook for years -- long before he entered politics.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:Except, they may be truths. There's more evidence for THIS election being stolen than there ever was for RUSSIA!RUSSIA! collusion.
SIGNYM:
DEMOCRATS, HOIST ON THEIR OWN PETARDS OF "INVALID ELECTIONS", "ILLEGITIMATE PRESIDENTS", AND "SHAM IMPEACHMENTS"
AND ON THEIR OWN PETARD OF "INCITEMENT"
SECONDRATE: Trump’s falsehoods...
Too bad you've already posted that NO INVESTIGATION WAS EVER STATRTED, because now you can't demonstrate that we know for sure that the election was honest.
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-longstanding-history-calling-ele
ctions-rigged-doesnt-results/story?id=74126926
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Originally posted by second:Quote:Trump has been claiming for a year that the election will be stolen. This is not the first time Trump has made claims about election fraud. It has been a part of his playbook for years -- long before he entered politics.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:Except, they may be truths. There's more evidence for THIS election being stolen than there ever was for RUSSIA!RUSSIA! collusion.
SIGNYM:
DEMOCRATS, HOIST ON THEIR OWN PETARDS OF "INVALID ELECTIONS", "ILLEGITIMATE PRESIDENTS", AND "SHAM IMPEACHMENTS"
AND ON THEIR OWN PETARD OF "INCITEMENT"
SECONDRATE: Trump’s falsehoods...
Too bad you've already posted that NO INVESTIGATION WAS EVER STATRTED, because now you can't demonstrate that we know for sure that the election was honest.
The question for me, SECONDRATE, isn't about what Trump said ... because it's afree speech ... it's whether or not IT IS TRUE.
Speech is ALWAYS protected when it's true.
DEMOCRATS claimed FOR YEARS that the 2016 election was "stolen" because of "collusion with Russia". But the Mueller investigtion showed that wasn't true, and that there isn't enough evidence to take the indicted Russian firm to court. (But there are PLENTY of meeting notes, emails, and texts suggesting that this whole "Russian collusion" campaign was a coodinated smear campaign against Trump, so there you go.)
OTOH you haven't been able to demonstrate that the elections were valid enough not to affect the results.
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Quote:You are claiming Trump won. Trump claims the same. He told people to be in Washington D.C. to "Stop the Steal" on the day when the winner is announced. Then a riot broke out inside the Capitol Building where Congress would announce that Trump lost. Funny about Trump not admitting he lost and not stopping the riot with, for example, a shoot to kill order. Only one cop did what Trump should have ordered and killed a rioter. The other cops let themselves be pushed around and stomped on because the President didn't give the order.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:The DNC's ... and SECONDRATE'S... big lie about "the big lie".
Originally posted by SECONDRATE But that wasn’t the House case. The managers showed how he revved up his followers into believing the big lie
More dog whistles.
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Quote:Wasn't there a time when you claimed you didn't vote for Trump? You have an awful lot of crazy passion defending Trump for someone who voted for the Green Party candidate. Or for a Russian who didn't vote. By the way, your "whataboutism" (What about what the Democrats said 4 years ago) doesn't change Trump's impeachment, but does make clear your brain is over-heating. Only inside the mind of a Trumptard did Trump win.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
The question for me, SECONDRATE, isn't about what Trump said ... because it's afree speech ... it's whether or not IT IS TRUE.
Speech is ALWAYS protected when it's true.
DEMOCRATS claimed FOR YEARS that the 2016 election was "stolen" because of "collusion with Russia". But the Mueller investigtion showed that wasn't true, and that there isn't enough evidence to take the indicted Russian firm to court. (But there are PLENTY of meeting notes, emails, and texts suggesting that this whole "Russian collusion" campaign was a coodinated smear campaign against Trump, so there you go.)
OTOH you haven't been able to demonstrate that the elections were valid enough not to affect the results.
Trump’s Defense: What About Democratic Violence? (Answer: There Wasn’t Any.)
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2021/02/trumps-impeachment-defense-is-
whataboutism.html
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Quote:NOPE! But thanks for the lie.
SIGNY: The question for me, SECONDRATE, isn't about what Trump said ... because it's afree speech ... it's whether or not IT IS TRUE.
Speech is ALWAYS protected when it's true.
DEMOCRATS claimed FOR YEARS that the 2016 election was "stolen" because of "collusion with Russia". But the Mueller investigtion showed that wasn't true, and that there isn't enough evidence to take the indicted Russian firm to court. (But there are PLENTY of meeting notes, emails, and texts suggesting that this whole "Russian collusion" campaign was a coodinated smear campaign against Trump, so there you go.)
OTOH you haven't been able to demonstrate that the elections were valid enough not to affect the results.
SECONDRATE: Wasn't there a time when you claimed you didn't vote for Trump?
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SECONDRATE: You have an awful lot of crazy passion defending Trump for someone who voted for the Green Party candidate.
Wrong on both counts.
You still haven't learned that I'm debunking your lies, not "defending Trump". For someone who claims to be smart, you're pretty slow.
Also, I voted Green when faced with Obama the second time around. Not that it's any business of yours.
Quote:When you resort to outright lies is when I know you've run out of facts.
SECONDRATE: Or for a Russian who didn't vote.
Quote:THIS from the a-hole who posted and entire para of "what about if Trump draped himself in the Nazi flag blah blah blah ..." Not only was that a "what about", it was an entirely fictitious one.
SECONDRATE: By the way, your "whataboutism" (What about what the Democrats said 4 years ago) doesn't change Trump's impeachment, but does make clear your brain is over-heating. Only inside the mind of a Trumptard did Trump win.
Mine, at least, are rooted in fact. Bc you can't deny that Hillary, the DNC, and the entire mass media, security agencies and entrenched neoliberal/ globalib bureaucracy spent THREE YEARS screeching about a "stolen election". And you STILL are!
BTW, the violence that the Dems pander to are the BLM/Antifa riots.
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Quote:Another lie.
SECONDRATE But that wasn’t the House case. The managers showed how he revved up his followers into believing the big lie
SIGNY: The DNC's ... and SECONDRATE'S... big lie about "the big lie".
More dog whistles.
SECONDRATE You are claiming Trump won.
Jeez, you just can't stop, can you??
When you're ready for an HONEST discussion, let me know!
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The Russian trolls here are so fullashit, it's just sad. ^
Trump deliberately incited a pre-planned assault. That was proven. The Republicans are so corrupt, they tried to shove it down the memory hole, along with Trump's numerous other crimes.
If that's not impeachable, then nothing is.
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