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Friday, August 18, 2017 5:35 PM

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Originally posted by 6stringJoker:

This countdown clock is getting a little old in the tooth. At this rate we're going to have solar highways before it finally happens.

Trump's attacks could leave him friendless if impeachment comes

www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-senate-idUSKCN1AX2K3

President Donald Trump has stepped up his attacks on Republican senators, an approach he may regret if he is someday impeached and the Senate has to weigh charges against him stemming from an investigation into Russian meddling in the 2016 U.S. election.

More than half of the 11 Republicans on the Senate Judiciary Committee, which would be central to any proceeding to remove Trump from office, have tangled with the Republican president, including on Thursday when he fired off early-morning tweets.

In one Twitter series, Trump called Senator Lindsey Graham "publicity seeking" and said he "just can't forget his election trouncing" in the 2016 presidential race. Trump also assailed Senator Jeff Flake, another Republican critic, as "a non-factor in the Senate," adding, "He's toxic."

Flake and Graham are members of the Judiciary Committee, whose Chairman Chuck Grassley has urged Trump to tone it down.

"He should be 100 percent sticking to ideas and forget about personalities," Grassley said on Friday when pressed on whether Trump might find himself without the friends in Congress he would need to defend himself in an impeachment proceeding.

'TRUMP NEEDS FRIENDS'

Having friends would help any president facing impeachment, said Charles Brain, a White House liaison to Congress during Clinton's impeachment.

Without such friendships, Brain said, lawmakers "can just be quiet," refusing to share information with the White House and letting attacks on the president gain momentum.

More on Trump's self-destructive habits at www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-senate-idUSKCN1AX2K3

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Friday, August 18, 2017 6:06 PM

The Art of the Deal ghostwriter Tony Schwartz says Donald Trump’s presidency ‘is effectively over’
August 18, 2017

Tony Schwartz, the co-author on Donald Trump’s infamous 1987 book The Art of the Deal, has said he believes Trump will soon resign from his position as POTUS.

The ghostwriter, who spent 18 months working on the book with the business tycoon in the 1980s, has been one of Trump’s most vocal critics since he started running in the presidential race. While he was with Trump writing his book, he said the business mogul was thinking about “how do I do whatever is best for me and how do I get over everybody else,” he told CNN today.

On Thursday, Schwartz tweeted: “Almost all of Trump’s limited attention is focused on beating down his critics. No time for governing which doesn’t interest him anyway.”

“The circle is closing at blinding speed. Trump is going to resign and declare victory before Mueller and congress leave him no choice.”

“He’ll say he did everything he could to save America. He’s going to try and paint this as his own victory and he’s the ultimate victor.”

www.news.com.au/world/north-america/the-art-of-the-deal-writer-says-tr
umps-presidency-is-effectively-over/news-story/280900454fc15a7069b398894948015c

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Saturday, August 19, 2017 1:13 AM

Has it been 182 days yet?

I'm still wondering if this countdown will conclude after 2922 days.

Only 2740 days remaining, right?

6STRINGJOKER

Saturday, August 19, 2017 1:16 AM

Meh... more MSM speculation.

Kinda getting bored of listening to the opinions of overpaid shills.

I'll just wait and see how it all plays out. I doesn't matter much to me.

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Saturday, August 19, 2017 1:57 AM

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Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
Meh... more MSM speculation.

Kinda getting bored of listening to the opinions of overpaid shills.

I'll just wait and see how it all plays out. I doesn't matter much to me.

I don't want to see Trump gone because I'm making money. But there is another reason: as lesson for Republican voters.

Everyone seems to be reporting that Steve Bannon is out. Bannon’s exit means the end of even the pretense that Trump's economic policy is anything different from standard Republicanism — and I think giving up the pretense matters, at least a bit.

The basics of the U.S. economic debate are really very simple. The federal government, as often noted, is an insurance company with an army: aside from defense, its spending is dominated by Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid (plus some ACA subsidies).

Conservatives always claim that they want to make government smaller. But that means cutting these programs — and what we know now, after the repeal debacle, is that people like all these programs, even the means-tested programs like Medicaid. Obama paid a large temporary price for making Medicaid/ACA bigger, paid for with taxes on the wealthy, but now that it’s in place, voters hate the idea of taking it away.

So what’s Trump the tax-cutter to do? His agenda is fundamentally unpopular; how can it be sold?

One long-standing answer is to muddy the waters, and make elections about white resentment. That’s been the strategy since Nixon, and Trump turned the dial up to 11. And they’ve won a lot of elections — but never had the political capital to reverse the welfare state.

Another strategy is to invoke voodoo: to claim that taxes can be cut without spending cuts, because miracles will happen. That has sometimes worked as a political strategy, but overall it seems to have lost its punch. Kansas is a cautionary tale; and under Obama federal taxes on the top 1 percent basically went back up to pre-Reagan levels.

So what did Trump seem to offer that was new? First, during the campaign he combined racist appeals with claims that he wouldn’t cut the safety net. This sounded as if he was offering a kind of herrenvolk welfare state: all the benefits you expect, but only for your kind of people.

Second, he offered economic nationalism: we were going to beat up on the Chinese, the Mexicans, somebody, make the Europeans pay tribute for defense, and that would provide the money for so much winning, you’d get tired of winning. Economic nonsense, but some voters believed it.

Where are we now? The herrenvolk welfare state never materialized, in part because Trump is too lazy to understand policy at all, and outsourced health care to the usual GOP suspects. So Trumpcare turned out to be the same old Republican thing: slash benefits for the vulnerable to cut taxes for the rich. And it was desperately unpopular.

Meanwhile, things have moved very slowly on the economic nationalism front — partly because a bit of reality struck, as export industries realized what was at stake and retailers and others balked at the notion of new import taxes. But also, there were very few actual voices for that policy with Trump’s ear — mainly Bannon, as far as I can tell.

So if Bannon is out, what’s left? It’s just reverse Robin Hood with extra racism.

On real policy, in other words, Trump is now bankrupt. If anything, Trumpism is going to get even uglier, and Trump even less presidential (if such a thing is possible) now that he has fewer people pushing for trade wars.

https://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2017/08/18/whither-trumpism/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

6STRINGJOKER

Saturday, August 19, 2017 2:09 AM

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Originally posted by second:
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Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
Meh... more MSM speculation.

Kinda getting bored of listening to the opinions of overpaid shills.

I'll just wait and see how it all plays out. I doesn't matter much to me.
I don't want to see Trump gone because I'm making money. But there is another reason: as lesson for Republican voters.

You lost me there. There is absolutely no reason to read the rest of your thought when you say that.

The alternative was Hillary. Period.

I'm not a Republican and I don't only vote Republican. I'm one of the people who actually vote in mid-terms and I know a bit about my local politics and I'm pretty 50/50 when it comes to local stuff.

Hillary and the idea of the Bush-Clinton-Bush-Obama-Clinton Status Quo continuing was fucking scary. Scary enough for somebody like Trump to get voted in.

Maybe the Democrats learned a lesson here and you'll have a real candidate that I could get behind next time.

All evidence up to now points to the contrary, but you've got 3 1/2 years to fix your party.

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Saturday, August 19, 2017 4:01 AM

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Originally posted by 6stringJoker:

Hillary and the idea of the Bush-Clinton-Bush-Obama-Clinton Status Quo continuing was fucking scary. Scary enough for somebody like Trump to get voted in.

Maybe the Democrats learned a lesson here and you'll have a real candidate that I could get behind next time.

All evidence up to now points to the contrary, but you've got 3 1/2 years to fix your party.

You learned nothing, didn't you? You think you were breaking the status quo, but you voted for a Republican and you got a Republican with twist. For here’s the situation: a president who never meant it when he swore to defend the Constitution. He violates that oath just about every day and is never going to get any better.

A person who pauses to think about the matter has good reason to doubt the sincerity of Trump’s oath of office, or even his capacity to swear an oath sincerely at all.
www.lawfareblog.com/what-happens-when-we-dont-believe-presidents-oath

But a third of the country still approves of Trump — and that third amounts to a huge majority of the G.O.P. base. So all we get from the vast majority of elected Republicans are off-the-record expressions of “dismay” or denunciations of bigotry that somehow fail to name the bigot in chief.

It’s not just that Republicans fear primary challenges from candidates pandering to the racist right. Trump is already supporting challengers to Republicans he considers insufficiently loyal to Trump.

The fact is that white supremacists have long been a key if unacknowledged part of the G.O.P. coalition, and Republicans need those votes to win general elections. Given the profiles in cowardice they’ve presented so far, it’s hard to imagine anything — including evidence of collusion with a foreign power — that would make them risk losing those voters’ support.

So the odds are that we’re stuck with a malevolent, incompetent president whom nobody knowledgeable respects. If so, we have to hope that our country somehow stumbles through the next year and a half without catastrophe, because so far there has not even been the very first crisis, and that the midterm elections transform the political calculus and make the Constitution great again.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

6STRINGJOKER

Saturday, August 19, 2017 4:54 AM

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Originally posted by second:
You learned nothing, didn't you?

There's nothing to learn. I didn't even take a gamble. Hillary was the status quo and that was bad. Trump looks like he might end up being more of the same. No positive or negative change if that's the case.

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You think you were breaking the status quo, but you voted for a Republican and you got a Republican with twist. For here’s the situation: a president who never meant it when he swore to defend the Constitution. He violates that oath just about every day and is never going to get any better.

That's how you see it. Okay. It's not any different than any president has handled the Constitution since I've been old enough to vote if that's the case.

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A person who pauses to think about the matter has good reason to doubt the sincerity of Trump’s oath of office, or even his capacity to swear an oath sincerely at all.

I don't believe any of them when they say anything. It will be a shame if 4 or 8 years of Trump turns out just as bad as the last string of presidents we've had are, but they were no different than what you're explaining now.

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But a third of the country still approves of Trump — and that third amounts to a huge majority of the G.O.P. base. So all we get from the vast majority of elected Republicans are off-the-record expressions of “dismay” or denunciations of bigotry that somehow fail to name the bigot in chief.

I don't disapprove of Trump at this juncture. Nothing he has really done so far sticks out to make me go out of my way to approve of him either. Call me ambivolant.

As for bigotry, we've had a very strong anti-white and anti-male stance in government for the last decade or so. You seem to fall into that category as well. I don't consider anything that Trump is doing bigoted.

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It’s not just that Republicans fear primary challenges from candidates pandering to the racist right. Trump is already supporting challengers to Republicans he considers insufficiently loyal to Trump.

It's not racist to be proud to be white. There are shades of gray and I'm getting pretty tired of anyone from the left immediately calling you a Nazi if you don't express your guilt for being white on a daily basis.

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The fact is that white supremacists have long been a key if unacknowledged part of the G.O.P. coalition, and Republicans need those votes to win general elections. Given the profiles in cowardice they’ve presented so far, it’s hard to imagine anything — including evidence of collusion with a foreign power — that would make them risk losing those voters’ support.

I don't think there are nearly as many "white supremacists" out there as people like you claim there are. But when you're part of a party that continually goes out of their way to take from white people, cut them down, and do your best to unite everyone else against them as if the average white
American has any real power or privilege, then don't be surprised when white people who aren't privileged like you stand up and tell you to fuck off.

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So the odds are that we’re stuck with a malevolent, incompetent president whom nobody knowledgeable respects.

I've seen no proof at all that Trump is malevolent. Jury is still out about his competency, but I'm not going to take it from somebody like you who has attacked him since the months leading up to the election.

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If so, we have to hope that our country somehow stumbles through the next year and a half without catastrophe, because so far there has not even been the very first crisis, and that the midterm elections transform the political calculus and make the Constitution great again.

I think you forget that there were times recently where the Democrats had a majority and that wasn't good for the country either. It would be more easy for me to take you at all seriously if eve

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Saturday, August 19, 2017 5:55 AM

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Originally posted by 6stringJoker:

I think you forget that there were times recently where the Democrats had a majority and that wasn't good for the country either. It would be more easy for me to take you at all seriously if everything you said wasn't from such a biased slant. I don't think it's possible though because your opinions are all built atop that ivory tower built on billions of oil that it's sitting on.

You have absolutely no idea what a normal person deals with on a day to day basis.

6stringJoker, you dumped your guts here. It is grotesque. I will pick one obvious and real world difference between Democrats and Republicans, both voters, politicians, and Trump. One side disbelieves in the greenhouse gas effect. Eventually one side will be proven to have been always wrong. More interesting are the murky psychological reasons why one side chose to be wrong. Even though one side has not yet been proven to be disastrously wrong and even though the entire world has already decided differently, those psychological reasons will still be controlling that one side long after the final proof arrives that forces a flip-flop on one side.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

6STRINGJOKER

Saturday, August 19, 2017 7:35 AM

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Originally posted by second:
6stringJoker, you dumped your guts here. It is grotesque.

Clarify.

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I will pick one obvious and real world difference between Democrats and Republicans, both voters, politicians, and Trump.

Okay.

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One side disbelieves in the greenhouse gas effect. Eventually one side will be proven to have been always wrong.

Right.

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More interesting are the murky psychological reasons why one side chose to be wrong.

Wrong about what?

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Even though one side has not yet been proven to be disastrously wrong and even though the entire world has already decided differently, those psychological reasons will still be controlling that one side long after the final proof arrives that forces a flip-flop on one side.

Oh. You mean the greenhouse effect. So you've already decided it then. I didn't know where you were going with that.

I don't have an opinion about it. I have no power to do anything about it, and I won't be alive if it all goes horribly wrong.

All the virtue signalers that pretend to care about it while simultaneously benefiting from everything our modern society has grown accustomed to that contributes to global warming I find quite amusing.

I can't prove it, but I'd bet that your carbon footprint is at least 10 times that of mine. That grows exponentially if you have children.

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