Countdown Clock to Trumps impeachment " STARTS"
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The contention that evidence of advance planning for the assault on the Capitol somehow exculpates Trump from responsibility:
“The fact that the attacks were apparently premeditated, as alleged by the House managers, demonstrates the ludicrousness of the incitement allegation against the president,” van der Veen thundered. “You can't incite what was already going to happen.”
This deliberately obtuse argument seeks to confine the charge against Trump to the single episode of his Jan. 6 speech. But that wasn’t the House case. The managers showed how he revved up his followers into believing the big lie that the election had been stolen from him; how he stoked their fury in the weeks following the election; and how he summoned them to Washington on the very day that the electoral votes were to be certified. The speech was simply the culmination of Trump’s incitement. Trump was in on the incitement — he was the incitement — from start to finish. The premeditation, which suggests evidence of menace that Trump knew or should have known about, doesn’t excuse Trump — it deepens his responsibility.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/02/13/trumps-impeachment-
lawyers-had-weak-case-argued-badly/
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Quote:Oh, you mean the NON-insurrection?
Originally posted by SECONDRATE:
The refusal to answer about what and when Trump knew about the insurrection
That's what this charade is all about, isn't it? Getting to repeat dog whistles over and over in the media?
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Quote:The DNC's ... and SECONDRATE'S... big lie about "the big lie".
Originally posted by SECONDRATE But that wasn’t the House case. The managers showed how he revved up his followers into believing the big lie
More dog whistles.
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Quote:Trump has been claiming for a year that the election will be stolen. This is not the first time Trump has made claims about election fraud. It has been a part of his playbook for years -- long before he entered politics.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:Except, they may be truths. There's more evidence for THIS election being stolen than there ever was for RUSSIA!RUSSIA! collusion.
SIGNYM:
DEMOCRATS, HOIST ON THEIR OWN PETARDS OF "INVALID ELECTIONS", "ILLEGITIMATE PRESIDENTS", AND "SHAM IMPEACHMENTS"
AND ON THEIR OWN PETARD OF "INCITEMENT"
SECONDRATE: Trump’s falsehoods...
Too bad you've already posted that NO INVESTIGATION WAS EVER STATRTED, because now you can't demonstrate that we know for sure that the election was honest.
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-longstanding-history-calling-ele
ctions-rigged-doesnt-results/story?id=74126926
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Quote:
Originally posted by second:Quote:Trump has been claiming for a year that the election will be stolen. This is not the first time Trump has made claims about election fraud. It has been a part of his playbook for years -- long before he entered politics.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:Except, they may be truths. There's more evidence for THIS election being stolen than there ever was for RUSSIA!RUSSIA! collusion.
SIGNYM:
DEMOCRATS, HOIST ON THEIR OWN PETARDS OF "INVALID ELECTIONS", "ILLEGITIMATE PRESIDENTS", AND "SHAM IMPEACHMENTS"
AND ON THEIR OWN PETARD OF "INCITEMENT"
SECONDRATE: Trump’s falsehoods...
Too bad you've already posted that NO INVESTIGATION WAS EVER STATRTED, because now you can't demonstrate that we know for sure that the election was honest.
The question for me, SECONDRATE, isn't about what Trump said ... because it's afree speech ... it's whether or not IT IS TRUE.
Speech is ALWAYS protected when it's true.
DEMOCRATS claimed FOR YEARS that the 2016 election was "stolen" because of "collusion with Russia". But the Mueller investigtion showed that wasn't true, and that there isn't enough evidence to take the indicted Russian firm to court. (But there are PLENTY of meeting notes, emails, and texts suggesting that this whole "Russian collusion" campaign was a coodinated smear campaign against Trump, so there you go.)
OTOH you haven't been able to demonstrate that the elections were valid enough not to affect the results.
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Quote:You are claiming Trump won. Trump claims the same. He told people to be in Washington D.C. to "Stop the Steal" on the day when the winner is announced. Then a riot broke out inside the Capitol Building where Congress would announce that Trump lost. Funny about Trump not admitting he lost and not stopping the riot with, for example, a shoot to kill order. Only one cop did what Trump should have ordered and killed a rioter. The other cops let themselves be pushed around and stomped on because the President didn't give the order.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:The DNC's ... and SECONDRATE'S... big lie about "the big lie".
Originally posted by SECONDRATE But that wasn’t the House case. The managers showed how he revved up his followers into believing the big lie
More dog whistles.
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Quote:Wasn't there a time when you claimed you didn't vote for Trump? You have an awful lot of crazy passion defending Trump for someone who voted for the Green Party candidate. Or for a Russian who didn't vote. By the way, your "whataboutism" (What about what the Democrats said 4 years ago) doesn't change Trump's impeachment, but does make clear your brain is over-heating. Only inside the mind of a Trumptard did Trump win.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
The question for me, SECONDRATE, isn't about what Trump said ... because it's afree speech ... it's whether or not IT IS TRUE.
Speech is ALWAYS protected when it's true.
DEMOCRATS claimed FOR YEARS that the 2016 election was "stolen" because of "collusion with Russia". But the Mueller investigtion showed that wasn't true, and that there isn't enough evidence to take the indicted Russian firm to court. (But there are PLENTY of meeting notes, emails, and texts suggesting that this whole "Russian collusion" campaign was a coodinated smear campaign against Trump, so there you go.)
OTOH you haven't been able to demonstrate that the elections were valid enough not to affect the results.
Trump’s Defense: What About Democratic Violence? (Answer: There Wasn’t Any.)
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2021/02/trumps-impeachment-defense-is-
whataboutism.html
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Quote:NOPE! But thanks for the lie.
SIGNY: The question for me, SECONDRATE, isn't about what Trump said ... because it's afree speech ... it's whether or not IT IS TRUE.
Speech is ALWAYS protected when it's true.
DEMOCRATS claimed FOR YEARS that the 2016 election was "stolen" because of "collusion with Russia". But the Mueller investigtion showed that wasn't true, and that there isn't enough evidence to take the indicted Russian firm to court. (But there are PLENTY of meeting notes, emails, and texts suggesting that this whole "Russian collusion" campaign was a coodinated smear campaign against Trump, so there you go.)
OTOH you haven't been able to demonstrate that the elections were valid enough not to affect the results.
SECONDRATE: Wasn't there a time when you claimed you didn't vote for Trump?
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SECONDRATE: You have an awful lot of crazy passion defending Trump for someone who voted for the Green Party candidate.
Wrong on both counts.
You still haven't learned that I'm debunking your lies, not "defending Trump". For someone who claims to be smart, you're pretty slow.
Also, I voted Green when faced with Obama the second time around. Not that it's any business of yours.
Quote:When you resort to outright lies is when I know you've run out of facts.
SECONDRATE: Or for a Russian who didn't vote.
Quote:THIS from the a-hole who posted and entire para of "what about if Trump draped himself in the Nazi flag blah blah blah ..." Not only was that a "what about", it was an entirely fictitious one.
SECONDRATE: By the way, your "whataboutism" (What about what the Democrats said 4 years ago) doesn't change Trump's impeachment, but does make clear your brain is over-heating. Only inside the mind of a Trumptard did Trump win.
Mine, at least, are rooted in fact. Bc you can't deny that Hillary, the DNC, and the entire mass media, security agencies and entrenched neoliberal/ globalib bureaucracy spent THREE YEARS screeching about a "stolen election". And you STILL are!
BTW, the violence that the Dems pander to are the BLM/Antifa riots.
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Quote:Another lie.
SECONDRATE But that wasn’t the House case. The managers showed how he revved up his followers into believing the big lie
SIGNY: The DNC's ... and SECONDRATE'S... big lie about "the big lie".
More dog whistles.
SECONDRATE You are claiming Trump won.
Jeez, you just can't stop, can you??
When you're ready for an HONEST discussion, let me know!
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The Russian trolls here are so fullashit, it's just sad. ^
Trump deliberately incited a pre-planned assault. That was proven. The Republicans are so corrupt, they tried to shove it down the memory hole, along with Trump's numerous other crimes.
If that's not impeachable, then nothing is.
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