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STAR WARS Episode 9: The Final Abortion

POSTED BY: whozit
UPDATED: Wednesday, February 26, 2025 15:30
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6IXSTRINGJACK

Monday, February 10, 2020 1:19 AM

Yeah. I guess I wasn't thinking about tablets or phones when I did it because I don't have one. I actually took your formatting from one of your other threads and altered it accordingly until it fit my screen perfectly. If there is one single more character on any line it will wrap.

This will be a "problem" once we get to week 10, but it's easy enough to just shave another letter off of the days of the week. Instead of just using the abbreviations I had just shortened them down enough to make everything fit.

You're saying the green and red don't show up well on a handheld device though?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Tuesday, February 11, 2020 4:05 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Yeah. I guess I wasn't thinking about tablets or phones when I did it because I don't have one. I actually took your formatting from one of your other threads and altered it accordingly until it fit my screen perfectly. If there is one single more character on any line it will wrap.

You might think so, but I clearly stated that is not the case with your posts. In the one post I specified, the extra characters wrap. In another post, the same number of characters which wrapped in the first example no longer wrap, they just continue off the page or outside the window (I think JO calls it a breakout or jailbreak). I don't know how you did that.

The same numbers that fits nicely on one format do not fit the same on another. I don't know if iFruit displays differently. I had to ask you numerous times how you saw my tables, because I did not have a monitor which produced the same width as yours did. I had to use the number of characters which you said fit. I assumed that more folk than only you had similar display.

Also, with the handhelds, turning from portrait to landscape changes the autosizing. If I see a posted table which is not looking the way I indended, I can turn to portrait, and once that is showing, turn back to landscape, and the autosizing will make the table fit if it is shown onscreen at the time. I have learned to use the display stabilization row to help this function be more predictable, otherwise i can get stuck with a display I cannot read well.

Quote:

This will be a "problem" once we get to week 10, but it's easy enough to just shave another letter off of the days of the week. Instead of just using the abbreviations I had just shortened them down enough to make everything fit.

You're saying the green and red don't show up well on a handheld device though?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Even on monitor, green does not show up as vibrant as lime or 55ff00. Do you not think so?

I mostly read on the handheld, so the red does not stand out well. But yesterday I noticed red does not suffer on the monitor so much.

Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Feedback: with a black background such as on this site, a more vibrant color set can help. Instead of "green" perhaps "lime" or "55ff00" color. Instead of "red" perhaps "crimson" or "ff0055" color.

In this quoted post from 14 Jan, on my handheld device the 2nd table work-wraps. But on your other posts, starting 17 Jan, I don't get word-wrap, the table just continues off the page for the last 2 columns of data. I don't know how you did this, what was different. Perhaps this post with a change of font size mid-post is treated different than those without font size changed mid-post. Or something. On a handheld, turning it portrait or landscape makes the auto-sizing jump some. To combat this, and to help get the screen-sizing function to give the maximum readable image fitted to screen, I apply one line in the designated font and size to all "X"s, for the length that works best - and I state that this is "display stabilization row". With your TV monitor, this is likely not an issue, nor can you really adjust for it or tune it right.

I see now that the red shows up well here in bold on monitor, but on my handheld it still is not as vibrant as the others.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Tuesday, February 11, 2020 8:00 AM

Well... forget about any of the earlier tables...

Does this one show up right on your display? (This is the template that I've been using for a while now)

KEY:
B.O DAYS = Day of the week / which week by number
T # = Number of theaters shown
GrP T = Gross per theater

TROSw = The Rise of Skywalker

B.O. DAYS -- MOVIE / GROSS ---/ T # / GrP T / MOVIE / GROSS ---/ T # / GrP T

WEEK 1:
____________________________________________________________________________

1st Friday - JOKER $39,350,693 4,374 $8,997 / TROSw $89,615,288 4,406 $20339
1st Saturd - JOKER $32,476,803 4,374 $7,425 / TROSw $47,467,565 4,406 $10773
1st Sunday - JOKER $24,374,841 4,374 $5,573 / TROSw $40,301,011 4,406 $9,147
1st Monday - JOKER $ 9,702,049 4,374 $2,218 / TROSw $29,389,847 4,406 $6,670
1st Tuesda - JOKER $13,908,626 4,374 $3,180 / TROSw $20,270,474 4,406 $4,601
1st Wednes - JOKER $ 9,611,712 4,374 $2,197 / TROSw $32,165,681 4,406 $7,300
1st Thursd - JOKER $ 8,304,063 4,374 $1,899 / TROSw $30,586,950 4,406 $6,942

WEEK 2:
____________________________________________________________________________

2nd Friday - JOKER $16,906,386 4,374 $3,865 / TROSw $26,069,973 4,406 $5,917
2nd Saturd - JOKER $22,137,778 4,374 $5,061 / TROSw $25,075,535 4,406 $5,691
2nd Sunday - JOKER $16,817,239 4,374 $3,845 / TROSw $21,244,082 4,406 $4,822
2nd Monday - JOKER $ 8,345,763 4,374 $1,908 / TROSw $15,302,130 4,406 $3,473
2nd Tuesda - JOKER $ 6,973,525 4,374 $1,594 / TROSw $13,217,698 4,406

6IXSTRINGJACK

Wednesday, February 12, 2020 10:34 AM

8th Monday is first sub $200,000 day.

$198,221

Joker didn't see a sub $200,000 day until Monday of the 9th week.

Only $114 per theater as well... 38% of Saturday night. If it falls to 33% of Saturday night and they haven't axed theaters like they did mid week for week eight on Joker, they'll fall to double digits on Thursday.

Should be a pretty quick and steady fall from here on out. Birds of Prey wasn't much competition, especially with that R rating, but Sonic comes out this weekend.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Thursday, February 13, 2020 6:19 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Well... forget about any of the earlier tables...

Does this one show up right on your display? (This is the template that I've been using for a while now)

KEY:
B.O DAYS = Day of the week / which week by number
T # = Number of theaters shown
GrP T = Gross per theater

TROSw = The Rise of Skywalker

B.O. DAYS -- MOVIE / GROSS ---/ T # / GrP T / MOVIE / GROSS ---/ T # / GrP T

WEEK 1:
____________________________________________________________________________

1st Friday - JOKER $39,350,693 4,374 $8,997 / TROSw $89,615,288 4,406 $20339
1st Saturd - JOKER $32,476,803 4,374 $7,425 / TROSw $47,467,565 4,406 $10773
1st Sunday - JOKER $24,374,841 4,374 $5,573 / TROSw $40,301,011 4,406 $9,147
1st Monday - JOKER $ 9,702,049 4,374 $2,218 / TROSw $29,389,847 4,406 $6,670
1st Tuesda - JOKER $13,908,626 4,374 $3,180 / TROSw $20,270,474 4,406 $4,601
1st Wednes - JOKER $ 9,611,712 4,374 $2,197 / TROSw $32,165,681 4,406 $7,300
1st Thursd - JOKER $ 8,304,063 4,374 $1,899 / TROSw $30,586,950 4,406 $6,942

WEEK 2:
____________________________________________________________________________

2nd Friday - JOKER $16,906,386 4,374 $3,865 / TROSw $26,069,973 4,406 $5,917
2nd Saturd - JOKER $22,137,778 4,374 $5,061 / TROSw $25,075,535 4,406 $5,691
2nd Sunday - JOKER $16,817,239 4,374 $3,845 / TROSw $21,244,082 4,406 $4,822
2nd Monday - JOKER $ 8,345,763 4,374 $1,908 / TROSw $15,302,130 4,406 $3,473
2nd Tuesda - JOKER $ 6,973,525 4,374 $1,594 / TROSw $13,217,698 <

6IXSTRINGJACK

Thursday, February 13, 2020 7:37 AM

Yeah... It's strange man. The table looks fine on my display, in both of my browsers. I just assumed that everybody else could see it just fine too. Don't know what I could do about it since if I fixed it for one display I'll just break it for another.

Shame. :(

Do Right, Be Right. :)

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Friday, February 14, 2020 1:30 AM

I even forgot that I can't even see what I post myself.

Anyhow, the solution that I resorted to was making it narrow enough for anybody to see, and then it is merely narrower for others - there is no real point to make it maximum width, if it's not standardized. Often, when it is narrower, the auto-sizing function lets it be larger to fill the screen.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Friday, February 14, 2020 4:40 AM

I'll probably just update the next graph to have 3 letter week days. It will save three spaces, but once we get into week 10 it will only save 2. Is 2 enough from what you're seeing, or how many would it need. I'm sure there is something else I can shorten.

It looks like they didn't cut theaters on Wednesday. I didn't really think they would. It's a really weak box office right now. Might as well just ride out the week.

I'm guessing that Episode 9 is going to be spared a double digit per theater number tonight. Had Birds of Prey been anything that anybody wanted to see that wouldn't have been the case, but last night it did $109 per theater. The Wednesday-to-Thursday night drops have been pretty stabilized for the last three weeks, so it will probably end up with $104 or $105 per theater tonight.

Joker cut an additional 52 theaters in the 9th week to drop to 1,146. It will be interesting to see if Disney brings it down to around that number or chooses to keep it higher than Joker in light of the weak box office. If it weren't to cut any next week, which is still unlikely, it would be showing at exactly 600 more theaters than Joker was.

EDITED TO ADD:

I shortened the days of the week, pre-added the additional space that will be required in week 10, and I shortened TROSw to simply EP9. It will be 4 less characters per line now. How does this look for you JSF?

KEY:
B.O.DAY = Day of the week / which week by number
T # = Number of theaters shown
GrP T = Gross per theater

EP9 = The Rise of Skywalker

B.O.DAY -- MOVIE / GROSS ---/ T # / GrP T /MOVIE/ GROSS ---/ T # / GrP T

WEEK 1:
________________________________________________________________________

-1st Fri - JOKER $39,350,693 4,374 $8,997 / EP9 $89,615,288 4,406 $20339
-1st Sat - JOKER $32,476,803 4,374 $7,425 / EP9 $47,467,565 4,406 $10773
-1st Sun - JOKER $24,374,841 4,374 $5,573 / EP9 $40,301,011 4,406 $9,147
-1st Mon - JOKER $ 9,702,049 4,374 $2,218 / EP9 $29,389,847 4,406 $6,670
-1st Tue - JOKER $13,908,626 4,374 $3,180 / EP9 $20,270,474 4,406 $4,601
-1st Wed - JOKER $ 9,611,712 4,374 $2,197 / EP9 $32,165,681 4,406 $7,300
-1st Thu - JOKER $ 8,304,063 4,374 $1,899 / EP9 $30,586,950 4,406 $6,942

WEEK 2:
________________________________________________________________________

-2nd Fri - JOKER $16,906,386 4,374 $3,865 / EP9 $26,

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Friday, February 14, 2020 6:02 AM

You could easily round off the Gross to the nearest thousand - the $/T is the figure you are really comparing, anyhow. That would save 8 spots.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Friday, February 14, 2020 7:19 AM

Maybe if absolutely necessary. Up until now that's not a bad idea, but as the weeks drag on those thousands/hundreds numbers are going to get more interesting.

Joker, BTW, is still in theaters as we speak. It's just rounding out it's 19th consecutive week in the box office tonight.

In mid January it was only being shown in 85 theaters, but Oscar hype brought it back to 854 for a time. It's certainly going to be cut down from the current 504 theaters showing it since it only made about $20 per night during the week per theater. The question is, will they remove it entirely from theaters or does it still have a chance to have a Box Office run as long as Avengers: End Game was?

Just one more week and it will.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

6IXSTRINGJACK

Sunday, February 16, 2020 9:29 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Just one more week and it will.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

It did.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

6IXSTRINGJACK

Sunday, February 16, 2020 9:39 AM

I wonder if somebody at Disney secretly has been reading this thread?

They (smartly) slashed the theaters showing Episode 9 by 754 to make Week Nine's total only 992. This is roughly 150 less than Joker was showing in Week Nine.

Bigger than that though, Episode 9 now beat Joker to another record it probably doesn't want. The first of both movies to show in less than 1,000 theaters. It beats Joker by 1 week for that record now.

It was a good move though. While nowhere near the $673 per theater that Joker showed on the same Friday night in 150 more theaters, it did make a respectable $391 per theater, which is nearly $100 more than it showed last Friday night. Chances are, it will not go sub $100 during the week with this amount of theaters showing it and they might well tie with Joker for that record in Week Ten instead.

It will also benefit from a larger Box Office on Monday than usual because of the holiday. It will be interesting to see if this additional revenue will be enough to maybe eek out one more per-day win for Episode 9 or not. If the ratio of Friday-to-Monday holiday weekends in the past for the flick hold true for this weekend, it will probably out show Joker on Monday by around $200k.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

WHOZIT

Sunday, February 16, 2020 10:54 PM

Ep. 9 is no longer in the top 10 in theaters, #14 last I checked.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Monday, February 17, 2020 3:10 AM

Looks like it was #15 on Friday. Good catch. Monitoring which numbers they came in from week to week hasn't been something that I've paid any attention to. It looks like Tuesday the 11th was the first day outside of the top 10 when it fell to #11 in its 8th week.

It seems that Joker actually lost that one and fell to #11 one day earlier, on the 8th Monday. However, it never fell lower than #13 (at least as long as that was tracked... I'm not sure why so many weeks don't even show the number anymore).

Do Right, Be Right. :)

6IXSTRINGJACK

Monday, February 17, 2020 3:20 AM

Interestingly, Episode 9 fell around 15% from Friday to Sunday night this week. This is very out of the ordinary, because unless something pulled people away from the theaters like the Super Bowl, Sunday night typically is around a 30% increase on Friday night in almost all cases.

It's just the prediction numbers right now, and I have no clue what they base their predictive models on, but since I've been paying attention they're extremely accurate and I don't expect this number to change much.

There's still almost zero chance that it will even get close to sub $100 per theater per night average this week, given the amount of theaters they cut. With Birds of Prey being R rated and wildly unpopular, that's not going to hurt Episode 9. Sonic is doing much better than expected though, and is family friendly fare. Word of mouth about how good the movie is after the luke warm reception from access-media shill critics may explain Episode 9's sudden unexpected southward Sunday night turn.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

6IXSTRINGJACK

Monday, February 17, 2020 4:53 PM

KEY:
B.O.DAY = Day of the week / which week by number
T # = Number of theaters shown
GrP T = Gross per theater

EP9 = The Rise of Skywalker

B.O.DAY -- MOVIE / GROSS ---/ T # / GrP T /MOVIE/ GROSS ---/ T # / GrP T

WEEK 1:
________________________________________________________________________

-1st Fri - JOKER $39,350,693 4,374 $8,997 / EP9 $89,615,288 4,406 $20339
-1st Sat - JOKER $32,476,803 4,374 $7,425 / EP9 $47,467,565 4,406 $10773
-1st Sun - JOKER $24,374,841 4,374 $5,573 / EP9 $40,301,011 4,406 $9,147
-1st Mon - JOKER $ 9,702,049 4,374 $2,218 / EP9 $29,389,847 4,406 $6,670
-1st Tue - JOKER $13,908,626 4,374 $3,180 / EP9 $20,270,474 4,406 $4,601
-1st Wed - JOKER $ 9,611,712 4,374 $2,197 / EP9 $32,165,681 4,406 $7,300
-1st Thu - JOKER $ 8,304,063 4,374 $1,899 / EP9 $30,586,950 4,406 $6,942

WEEK 2:
________________________________________________________________________

-2nd Fri - JOKER $16,906,386 4,374 $3,865 / EP9 $26,069,973 4,406 $5,917
-2nd Sat - JOKER $22,137,778 4,374 $5,061 / EP9 $25,075,535 4,406 $5,691
-2nd Sun - JOKER $16,817,239 4,374 $3,845 / EP9 $21,244,082 4,406 $4,822
-2nd Mon - JOKER $ 8,345,763 4,374 $1,908 / EP9 $15,302,130 4,406 $3,473
-2nd Tue - JOKER $ 6,973,525 4,374 $1,594 / EP9 $13,217,698 4,406 $3,000
-2nd Wed - JOKER $ 4,910,895 4,374 $1,123 / EP9 $17,076,472 &

6IXSTRINGJACK

Wednesday, February 19, 2020 2:41 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

It will also benefit from a larger Box Office on Monday than usual because of the holiday. It will be interesting to see if this additional revenue will be enough to maybe eek out one more per-day win for Episode 9 or not. If the ratio of Friday-to-Monday holiday weekends in the past for the flick hold true for this weekend, it will probably out show Joker on Monday by around $200k.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Yup. I'm getting pretty good at this.

Episode 9's take on Monday the 16th, President's Day: $322,253

Compared to Joker's take on the same non-holiday Monday: $131,115

Can't come much closer than that prediction.

With a relatively weak box office to compete against now besides Sonic, it will be interesting if the Episode 9 numbers start to catch up to Joker's numbers as we go into later territory where even weekend nights don't gross more than $1 Million per night.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

SECOND

Friday, February 21, 2020 5:01 PM

What Star Wars 9 could have been. Let’s read through the full script of Colin Trevorrow’s Star Wars: Episode IX.
https://winteriscoming.net/2020/02/16/can-now-read-colin-trevorrow-scr
ipt-star-wars-episode-ix-duel-of-the-fates/

This script did not get made because of money. It would have cost BIG money, as significant amount as was spent on Star Wars Rogue One to reincarnate long dead Peter Cushing. Who died before Episode 9 could be made? Carrie Fisher is who, two weeks after this script was finished. Rather than have Carrie Fisher’s daughter, Billie Lourd, play Princess Leia with the help of some computer special effects to make Billie look exactly like Carrie, the Disney Company threw away a nearly perfect script and fired its perfectly good director. It was cheaper going that direction rather than trying to do what was expensively done with Peter Cushing on Rogue One.

Disney recreated young Princess Leia for Rogue One and could have done it again for Old Princess Leia in order to shoot the perfectly good script written around the Princess. But Disney decided it would cost too much.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

6IXSTRINGJACK

Saturday, February 22, 2020 1:16 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: (on February 16th)

There's still almost zero chance that it will even get close to sub $100 per theater per night average this week, given the amount of theaters they cut. With Birds of Prey being R rated and wildly unpopular, that's not going to hurt Episode 9. Sonic is doing much better than expected though, and is family friendly fare. Word of mouth about how good the movie is after the luke warm reception from access-media shill critics may explain Episode 9's sudden unexpected southward Sunday night turn.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Hoo boy... Cutting that prediction close.

Firm numbers in for Thursday, February 20th.

Total Gross: $101,762

Per Theater Average: $103

Womp Womp.

Six Digit days for Episode 9 are over after this weekend (and likely Deal Tuesday). Monday will be the first day in 5 digit territory. (Week Ten, Day 67)

Joker's first day in 5 digit territory wasn't that far behind actually (Week Ten, Day 70) (Which was also Joker's first sub $100 day, a feat which didn't happen often until Week 15 because of smart theater cuts compared to these other films I've been monitoring).

I have to wonder if these similar drops is because Joker had a stronger box office to compete against last year, and if we're going to continue to see both movies kind of even off as we dip into smaller numbers.

I still predict that Episode 9 will have a much shorter run than Joker has. At this point, Joker has been in theaters longer than Avengers: End Game was by a week. Two if they manage to eek out one more week for the little movie who could.

As for per theater averages...?

They cut 56% of theaters showing Episode 9 next week, bringing the total down from 992 to 558. This should probably be enough to keep it in triple digits until Thursday and will force a tie with Joker for the same milestone.

While it almost is certain it will dip into double digits this week, it's hard to pinpoint a day because the numbers and averages are so close to the mark here. So to be on the safe side I'm going to say it happens on Thursday for the tie with Joker, but who knows? It could happen as early as Monday.

EDITED TO ADD:

Yup. Joker is STILL in theaters. Cut from 165 to 90. That now marks 22 weeks straight, beating Avengers: End Game's run by two full weeks now.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

WHOZIT

Saturday, February 22, 2020 1:33 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
What Star Wars 9 could have been. Let’s read through the full script of Colin Trevorrow’s Star Wars: Episode IX.
https://winteriscoming.net/2020/02/16/can-now-read-colin-trevorrow-scr
ipt-star-wars-episode-ix-duel-of-the-fates/

This script did not get made because of money. It would have cost BIG money, as significant amount as was spent on Star Wars Rogue One to reincarnate long dead Peter Cushing. Who died before Episode 9 could be made? Carrie Fisher is who, two weeks after this script was finished. Rather than have Carrie Fisher’s daughter, Billie Lourd, play Princess Leia with the help of some computer special effects to make Billie look exactly like Carrie, the Disney Company threw away a nearly perfect script and fired its perfectly good director. It was cheaper going that direction rather than trying to do what was expensively done with Peter Cushing on Rogue One.

Disney recreated young Princess Leia for Rogue One and could have done it again for Old Princess Leia in order to shoot the perfectly good script written around the Princess. But Disney decided it would cost too much.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

Her family would not allow a CGI of her for Ep. 9, plus using a CGI Fisher so soon after her death would have been a disaster.

SECOND

Saturday, February 22, 2020 6:01 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by whozit:

Her family would not allow a CGI of her for Ep. 9, plus using a CGI Fisher so soon after her death would have been a disaster.

May I quote you back to yourself? The first thing you wrote on this thread:

Quote:
https://variety.com/2019/film/news/game-of-thrones-creators-star-wars-
trilogy-exit-12033865901/

The guys who screwed up the final season of Game of Thrones are out at Lucasfilm, good. The bad news is STAR WARS will now likely go the way of Buck Rogers and Flash Gordon. The fandom just wants Jar Jar Abrams to drag episode 9 across the finish line so we can then forget about the last three films and pretend they never happed.

It sounds like Disney created a disaster by waiting 8 months after Princess Leia died to finally decide it would throw away a perfect screenplay that just so happened to need Princess Leia for a few critical scenes, and then Disney rushed to write a crappy script to replace what was foolishly thrown away. What Disney should have done is offer the Princess's survivors $10 million to allow her likeness or else Disney should have recast the role of Princess Leia. Billie Catherine Lourd, Carrie Fisher's daughter and only child, would have been perfect as the recast Princess Leia.

As a bonus, Disney would not need to order Carrie Fisher to lose 35 to 45 pounds before filming begins. Instead, Disney could have put some weight on Billie Lourd by padding her costume and gave her a gray wig to wear. Look at pictures of Billie and Carrie in their Star Wars costumes: www.google.com/search?q=carrie+fisher+daughter
Billie could easily pass as Carrie with a little aging makeup. Using the daughter as the Princess would have given the movie more resonance about the passing of time and the inevitability of death for Jedi at War.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

6IXSTRINGJACK

Saturday, February 22, 2020 9:20 AM

It wasn't just Princess Leia/Carrie Fisher that was responsible for the script change.

Rian Johnson was fired, and they didn't want his woke shit that completely derailed Jar Jar's first movie.

There was zero plan going into this, and the movies reflect that perfectly. If they're saying anything to the contrary now, it's damage control and lies. Everybody involved should be fired.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

SECOND

Saturday, February 22, 2020 5:31 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
It wasn't just Princess Leia/Carrie Fisher that was responsible for the script change.

Rian Johnson was fired, and they didn't want his woke shit that completely derailed Jar Jar's first movie.

There was zero plan going into this, and the movies reflect that perfectly. If they're saying anything to the contrary now, it's damage control and lies. Everybody involved should be fired.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

You are mixing Rian Johnson Star Wars 8 director with Colin Trevorrow Star Wars 9 director. If you read the unproduced Star Wars 9 script, you will see on the first page that Trevorrow wrote "Duel of the Fates". I'd bet that the Colin Trevorrow leaked his own script so you could compare it to the hastily written J.J. Abrams script.

There was a eight month long argument, starting the day Carrie Fisher died, between Trevorrow and Disney about who, and how, to replace Carrie. That story will never be known. We will never get the details, no more than we will ever get the details of why FOX put Firefly in the Friday Night Death Slot. That slot is only for soon to be cancelled shows in their second season.

There was probably a faction at Disney that sided with Trevorrow, but eventually Disney weighted how much money it would cost. The most money won and Trevorrow was fired 8 months after Carrie died.

Then Disney brings in J.J. Abrams to write a sloppy, stupid script without using Princess Leia. Except the Princess was still in that sloppy, stupid script. Abrams used outtakes from Star Wars 8 for the Princess in 9. That was a cheap and foolish decision. Disney should have recast the Princess, kept Trevorrow as director, and made a perfect movie called "Duel of the Fates" instead of that idiotic, half-ass "The Rise of Skywalker". (Bringing back the Emperor, dead for 40 years, was a ridiculous storytelling decision. In the first 5 minutes of "The Rise of Skywalker" the Emperor was about to be killed, again. I was thinking Kylo Ren has just murdered 50 people in order to get to the Emperor and then he lets the Emperor live? That is stupid.)

Star Wars Episode IX Duel of the Fates.pdf (Size: 740 KB)
www.mediafire.com/file/qqz16qtvvwvv86t/Star_Wars_Episode_IX_Duel_of_th
e_Fates.pdf/file

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

WHOZIT

Saturday, February 22, 2020 8:07 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by whozit:

Her family would not allow a CGI of her for Ep. 9, plus using a CGI Fisher so soon after her death would have been a disaster.
May I quote you back to yourself? The first thing you wrote on this thread:
Quote:
https://variety.com/2019/film/news/game-of-thrones-creators-star-wars-
trilogy-exit-12033865901/

The guys who screwed up the final season of Game of Thrones are out at Lucasfilm, good. The bad news is STAR WARS will now likely go the way of Buck Rogers and Flash Gordon. The fandom just wants Jar Jar Abrams to drag episode 9 across the finish line so we can then forget about the last three films and pretend they never happed.
It sounds like Disney created a disaster by waiting 8 months after Princess Leia died to finally decide it would throw away a perfect screenplay that just so happened to need Princess Leia for a few critical scenes, and then Disney rushed to write a crappy script to replace what was foolishly thrown away. What Disney should have done is offer the Princess's survivors $10 million to allow her likeness or else Disney should have recast the role of Princess Leia. Billie Catherine Lourd, Carrie Fisher's daughter and only child, would have been perfect as the recast Princess Leia.

As a bonus, Disney would not need to order Carrie Fisher to lose 35 to 45 pounds before filming begins. Instead, Disney could have put some weight on Billie Lourd by padding her costume and gave her a gray wig to wear. Look at pictures of Billie and Carrie in their Star Wars costumes: www.google.com/search?q=carrie+fisher+daughter
Billie could easily pass as Carrie with a little aging makeup. Using the daughter as the Princess would have given the movie more resonance about the passing of time and the inevitability of death for Jedi at War.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

I stand by what I wrote, Disney just wanted Jar Jar to drag that P.O.S. across the finish line. Disney and Lucasfilm knew ep 9 was an awful flick, that's why they did all those reshoots last summer. Disney and Lucasfilm doesn't care about the Fandom, we know this by the way they treated fans after their negative reaction to ep.8.

SECOND

Sunday, February 23, 2020 8:30 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by whozit:

I stand by what I wrote, Disney just wanted Jar Jar to drag that P.O.S. across the finish line. Disney and Lucasfilm knew ep 9 was an awful flick, that's why they did all those reshoots last summer. Disney and Lucasfilm doesn't care about the Fandom, we know this by the way they treated fans after their negative reaction to ep.8.

Lucasfilm can't tell the difference between a good and bad script. If you give them two Star Wars scripts: "Duel of the Fates" (2019) and "The Rise of Skywalker" (2019) most people at Lucasfilm and Disney could not tell which one should be made. Even George Lucas could not see the difference when it is only words on paper, e.g. "A New Hope" (1977) and "The Phantom Menace" (1999). That's how most bad movies get made. Hollywood thinks the script is great, but Hollywood can't recognize badness on paper . . . Then Hollywood reshoots to salvage what they can from a bad script.

If Hollywood could recognize a bad script, it would throw half the scripts it makes into the trash. It would have made "Duel of the Fates" and trashed "The Rise of Skywalker".

"Do Hollywood movies make a profit?"
https://stephenfollows.com/hollywood-movies-make-a-profit/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

6IXSTRINGJACK

Sunday, February 23, 2020 9:13 PM

Sounds like they're all a bunch of highly overpaid shills gambling with money that isn't theirs.

Or you have no clue what you're talking about.

A little of column A, a little of column B.

At the end of the day, Rise of Skywalker wasn't the problem. The Last Jedi was.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

SECOND

Sunday, February 23, 2020 11:40 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Sounds like they're all a bunch of highly overpaid shills gambling with money that isn't theirs.

Or you have no clue what you're talking about.

A little of column A, a little of column B.

At the end of the day, Rise of Skywalker wasn't the problem. The Last Jedi was.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Did you see Lady and the Tramp (2019)? At the script stage, Disney would have realized this was a losing idea, if anybody at Disney could visualize what would happen when the words on paper are filmed. Once it was done, when it didn't require somebody with imagination to see what an atrocity the script was, Disney sent it directly to video.
www.metacritic.com/movie/lady-and-the-tramp-2019

The original Lady and the Tramp (1955) cost $4,000,000 and was re-released in 1980, 1986, 2005. Disney believed that the new movie could be as popular as the old movie. They were so very wrong and mostly because the new script stunk and nobody has a nose at Disney.
www.boxofficemojo.com/title/tt0048280/

Disney remade Beauty and the Beast (2017), but they left the story as it was in the original, instead of trying a new script. The result was $1,263,521,126. That's $1.26 Billion with a B. Better than The Rise of Skywalker because the script for Beauty and the Beast 2017 was just as good as the one in 1991 because it was the SAME old shit repackaged.
www.boxofficemojo.com/title/tt2771200/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

6IXSTRINGJACK

Monday, February 24, 2020 1:25 AM

You're missing the point.

A lot of people didn't bother seeing Rise of Skywalker because of how bad The Last Jedi was, and how bad and woke Solo was.

This was even more true in places like China than it was here in the states where it had a huge impact.

One thing that is abundantly clear is putting a "progressive" agenda in movies is a surefire way to lose money.

Their jobs might be a little bit easier when gambling with other people's money if they finally start learning that lesson.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

SECOND

Monday, February 24, 2020 3:32 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
You're missing the point.

A lot of people didn't bother seeing Rise of Skywalker because of how bad The Last Jedi was, and how bad and woke Solo was.

This was even more true in places like China than it was here in the states where it had a huge impact.

One thing that is abundantly clear is putting a "progressive" agenda in movies is a surefire way to lose money.

Their jobs might be a little bit easier when gambling with other people's money if they finally start learning that lesson.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

The real point is that Star Wars is a fairy tale, something that Hans Christian Andersen would write, and an adventure story, something that Edgar Rice Burroughs would write, and most Hollywood writers can not write either and won't admit they can't. There are even fewer writers who can melt the two kinds, fairy tale and adventure story, into one story. Jon Favreau can. You can see his work on The Mandalorian. Or you can see Star Wars movies written by people who should not be writing Star Wars.
www.imdb.com/title/tt8111088/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

6IXSTRINGJACK

Monday, February 24, 2020 5:17 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
You're missing the point.

A lot of people didn't bother seeing Rise of Skywalker because of how bad The Last Jedi was, and how bad and woke Solo was.

This was even more true in places like China than it was here in the states where it had a huge impact.

One thing that is abundantly clear is putting a "progressive" agenda in movies is a surefire way to lose money.

Their jobs might be a little bit easier when gambling with other people's money if they finally start learning that lesson.

Do Right, Be Right. :)
The real point is that Star Wars is a fairy tale, something that Hans Christian Andersen would write, and an adventure story, something that Edgar Rice Burroughs would write, and most Hollywood writers can not write either and won't admit they can't. There are even fewer writers who can melt the two kinds, fairy tale and adventure story, into one story. Jon Favreau can. You can see his work on The Mandalorian. Or you can see Star Wars movies written by people who should not be writing Star Wars.
www.imdb.com/title/tt8111088/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

No. That's not the real point.

The REAL point is that the original trilogy is timeless.

When you put agendas in movies, they're outdated even faster than your smartphone is.

When they're progressive agendas that nobody outside of Hollywood is on board with, they are flops before they even get released.

It took a while for Hollywood to burn all of the goodwill that the Star Wars name used to have, but they finally did it.

Had these shit movies been part of another property or a new property entirely, they never would have made a second movie.

Rise of Skywalker wasn't the problem. It was simply a cowardly half-measure that tried to bring back old fans and please the woke idiots at the same time. You can't do both. So it failed with everyone.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

SECOND

Monday, February 24, 2020 9:57 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Rise of Skywalker wasn't the problem. It was simply a cowardly half-measure that tried to bring back old fans and please the woke idiots at the same time. You can't do both. So it failed with everyone.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

What was wrong is that the excellent script for "Duel of the Fates" was not chosen over the piece of crap script "The Rise of Skywalker". Whoever was doing the choosing couldn't tell the difference between a good story and a Star Wars parody.

The first 5 minutes of "The Rise of Skywalker" is a ridiculous start. Kylo Ren murders 50 people to get the device showing him where the Emperor is, flies across the Universe, marches up to the Emperor with his light-saber, then doesn't cut off the Emperor's head. That scene does not work since Kylo Ren stops killing for no damn reason. The whole movie is full of no damn reason for what anybody does. It is a completely forgettable mess, unlike my favorite Star Wars, The Mandalorian, where every scene in the first 3 episodes is memorable and everything makes sense because it is done for a good reason.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

6IXSTRINGJACK

Monday, February 24, 2020 10:59 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Rise of Skywalker wasn't the problem. It was simply a cowardly half-measure that tried to bring back old fans and please the woke idiots at the same time. You can't do both. So it failed with everyone.

Do Right, Be Right. :)
What was wrong is that the excellent script for "Duel of the Fates" was not chosen over the piece of crap script "The Rise of Skywalker". Whoever was doing the choosing couldn't tell the difference between a good story and a Star Wars parody.

The first 5 minutes of "The Rise of Skywalker" is a ridiculous start. Kylo Ren murders 50 people to get the device showing him where the Emperor is, flies across the Universe, marches up to the Emperor with his light-saber, then doesn't cut off the Emperor's head. That scene does not work since Kylo Ren stops killing for no damn reason. The whole movie is full of no damn reason for what anybody does. It is a completely forgettable mess, unlike my favorite Star Wars, The Mandalorian, where every scene in the first 3 episodes is memorable and everything makes sense because it is done for a good reason.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

I'm not going to argue with you that Rise of Skywalker was a good movie. I'm starting to think that might be what you think I'm doing.

My point is that no script was going to fix the problem. The damage had already been done with three movies prior to whatever Episode 9 was going to be. (Some people seemed to like Rogue One, so I'm not counting that, although it was a story nobody asked anybody to tell that cashed in on nostalgia of a single line spoken decades ago).

They had ZERO plan for what the trilogy was going to be when they started it. There was only 3 rules:

1. George Lucas wasn't going to have any input whatsoever.
2. The entire extended universe was removed from cannon.
3. "The Force is Female."

Your alternate script wasn't going to fix any of those mistakes.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

SECOND

Monday, February 24, 2020 5:50 PM

6ix, Disney isn't deliberately trying to offend you.

The real problem at Disney is that, for Star Wars, Disney can't tell a good script "Duel of the Fates" from a terrible script "The Rise of Skywalker".

Another real problem at Disney is that they take forever to make decisions -- 8 months to decide what to do about a dead actress from a drug overdose. Recasting Princess Leia is the obvious solution, but Disney fired the director instead, which is crazy.

Another real problem at Disney is their hyper-secrecy. They can't make plans because they are afraid that if they wrote anything down for the second and third movie in a trilogy it would leak to the public. The result is they don't write anything and they don't make plans, which is crazy.

Another real problem is that Disney does not know who can write. Disney must think anybody can write a script for any kind of movie, which is crazy. Disney assigned Happy Hogan from Iron Man to write The Mandalorian. That should have been a catastrophe of a decision. Disney got really lucky it wasn't, but Disney is crazy for giving the project to Happy Hogan.
www.imdb.com/name/nm0269463/?ref_=tt_ov_wr#writer

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

6IXSTRINGJACK

Monday, February 24, 2020 8:58 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
6ix, Disney isn't deliberately trying to offend you.

Oh. That's great to know. I wasn't going to watch a new Star Wars movie even if it was the next Citizen Kane, so it doesn't bother me that they "accidentally" offend me then.

"The Force is Female" isn't cute. It's combative. The writers of Episode 7 came out and said that the Empire was the White Patriarchy in America.

How is this this ultra-liberal agenda in Hollywood not offensive?

Quote:
The real problem at Disney is that, for Star Wars, Disney can't tell a good script "Duel of the Fates" from a terrible script "The Rise of Skywalker".

STFU about these two possibilities. It didn't matter. They already ruined it and turned Star Wars into something that nobody is excited about anymore.

When you double production costs for marketing, and you consider that they only make a maximum profit of 65% of the box office in the states and 45% profit abroad, they have a LONG way to go before they make their money back.

They'd better purge their woke people from the crew going forward if they ever want to make that money back and actually start showing a profit.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

SECOND

Monday, February 24, 2020 11:34 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

They'd better purge their woke people from the crew going forward if they ever want to make that money back and actually start showing a profit.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

You keep complaining about the politics, but what is wrong is that the people making decisions can NOT tell the difference between good scripts and crap. In the finished movie, they can tell, but not at the script-only stage. Really, they can't tell from a script. Once the movie is made, they are forced to pretend it is great. It has nothing to do with woke people.

The classic example, also from LucasFilm, is Indiana Jones 4. There were two scripts. Which one got made? The crappy one.

There are two articles explaining why one script is good and the other is crap, but it is too sad that most people in Hollywood will never understand the excruciatingly simple differences. They are nearly completely deaf, dumb and blind to differences in quality while the movie is only a script and yet these same people cannot shut the fuck up about their artistic vision. They don't realize they have very little vision when they are reading a script. Their artist vision only starts working when it is far too late, when the film is nearly finished:

1) Indiana Jones and the City of the Gods (the excellent script)

50 Strengths of Darabont’s Draft
A lot of love and heart went into Frank Darabont’s rejected Indiana Jones and the City of Gods script. There is NO question that his script would have been THE film Indy fans were waiting for. There is also NO question about its superiority of craftsmanship over Koepp’s or most likely any other draft.
http://mysterymanonfilm.blogspot.com/2008/06/50-strengths-of-darabonts
-draft.html
https://file.wikileaks.org/file/indiana-jones-4.pdf

2) Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull (the crap script that George Lucas/Steven Spielberg made into a movie)

50 Flaws of Indy IV
http://mysterymanonfilm.blogspot.com/2008/05/50-flaws-of-indy-iv.html

What is happening in Hollywood? Too soon to tell, too late to change. It is always too soon to tell if the script will make a good movie, but once production has started it is too late to change the script that is the map to a bad movie.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

WHOZIT

Sunday, March 1, 2020 6:31 PM

Just when I thought this thread was going to die I find this,

https://screenrant.com/star-wars-palpatine-clone-rise-skywalker-confir
m-novel

So Darth Vader was the chosen one? Rey killed a knock off? Way too little, way too late, this will just make the fandom more angry. Disney STAR WARS will be remember as a joke, they should quit while they're behind.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Sunday, March 1, 2020 7:50 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

They'd better purge their woke people from the crew going forward if they ever want to make that money back and actually start showing a profit.

Do Right, Be Right. :)
You keep complaining about the politics, but what is wrong is that the people making decisions can NOT tell the difference between good scripts and crap. In the finished movie, they can tell, but not at the script-only stage. Really, they can't tell from a script. Once the movie is made, they are forced to pretend it is great. It has nothing to do with woke people.

My point is, the woke people need to go. Woke NEVER works. Filming a woke script is the equivalent of taking pallets of $100 bills and setting them on fire.

If you want a scenario where the best you can hope for is a coin toss, then you need to take the blatant agenda out of the film, and for christssake you need to put a muzzle on your actors and staff.

Of the recent woke flops out there, Birds of Prey itself supposedly wasn't all that bad compared to the rest of them, but you wouldn't know it hearing Ewan McGregor at interviews.

We'll see if Tim Miller learned the lesson. From a recent interview, I don't think he really has yet. He's getting warmer...

https://boundingintocomics.com/2020/02/28/director-tim-miller-blames-g
et-woke-and-go-broke-sentiment-for-terminator-dark-fates-box-office-bomb/

He's probably got a few flops left to make before he burns up all of his goodwill, both with fans and with investors, so the clock is ticking on his career.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

6IXSTRINGJACK

Sunday, March 1, 2020 8:37 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by whozit:
Just when I thought this thread was going to die I find this,

https://screenrant.com/star-wars-palpatine-clone-rise-skywalker-confir
m-novel

So Darth Vader was the chosen one? Rey killed a knock off? Way too little, way too late, this will just make the fandom more angry. Disney STAR WARS will be remember as a joke, they should quit while they're behind.

Haha! This thread isn't dead until Episode 9 is dead, buddy.

It shouldn't be too long. I only expect a 16 week run, losing to Captain Mary Sue by a week.

Been a little busy recently to compile a new chart, but here it is...

(Notable happenings listed on the bottom of this post).

KEY:
B.O.DAY = Day of the week / which week by number
T # = Number of theaters shown
GrP T = Gross per theater

EP9 = The Rise of Skywalker

B.O.DAY -- MOVIE / GROSS ---/ T # / GrP T /MOVIE/ GROSS ---/ T # / GrP T

WEEK 1:
________________________________________________________________________

-1st Fri - JOKER $39,350,693 4,374 $8,997 / EP9 $89,615,288 4,406 $20339
-1st Sat - JOKER $32,476,803 4,374 $7,425 / EP9 $47,467,565 4,406 $10773
-1st Sun - JOKER $24,374,841 4,374 $5,573 / EP9 $40,301,011 4,406 $9,147
-1st Mon - JOKER $ 9,702,049 4,374 $2,218 / EP9 $29,389,847 4,406 $6,670
-1st Tue - JOKER $13,908,626 4,374 $3,180 / EP9 $20,270,474 4,406 $4,601
-1st Wed - JOKER $ 9,611,712 4,374 $2,197 / EP9 $32,165,681 4,406 $7,300
-1st Thu - JOKER $ 8,304,063 4,374 $1,899 / EP9 $30,586,950 4,406 $6,942

WEEK 2:
________________________________________________________________________

-2nd Fri - JOKER $16,906,386 4,374 $3,865 / EP9 $26,069,973 4,406 $5,917
-2nd Sat - JOKER $22,137,778 4,374 $5,061 / EP9 $25,075,535 4,406 $5,691
-2nd Sun - JOKER $16,817,239 4,374 $3,845 / EP9 $21,244,082 4,406 $4,822
-2nd Mon - JOKER $

SECOND

Monday, March 2, 2020 10:03 AM

1) After 5 minutes of watching The Rise of Skywalker, I knew Disney had badly screwed up by bringing a dead thing, smelly-rotting-disgusting Mister Emperor Palpatine, back to temporary life so that Disney could kill the thing at the end of the movie.

2) Months later, after reading the excellent script Disney started preparations to film, then stopped work, I really knew Disney had screwed up:
www.mediafire.com/file/qqz16qtvvwvv86t/Star_Wars_Episode_IX_Duel_of_th
e_Fates.pdf/file

3) But the true depths of Disney's screwed up movie were revealed tonight.

The Emperor in Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker Was a Clone, According to the Novelization

By Matthew Dessem
March 01, 2020 9:50 PM

https://slate.com/culture/2020/03/star-wars-rise-of-skywalker-palpatin
e-clone-novelization.html

When the news broke that Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker would feature the return of Emperor Palpatine, it didn’t take long for Star Wars superfans to come up with a plausible backstory to explain how he got there. Here’s the basic timeline: A few years after Palpatine fell down a shaft on the second Death Star during the Battle of Endor at the end of Return of the Jedi, a growing ethnofascist movement on Earth figured out how to harness fan culture and the rise of social media to recruit and train a new generation of Nazi stooges. After honing their powers during Gamergate, this ragtag band of white supremacist morons turned their attention on the Star Wars franchise, and were such relentless shitheads about the whole thing that they convinced senior management at the Walt Disney Company that Star Wars fans were liddle widdle babies who just wanted to be told the exact same stories about the exact same space wizards over and over and over again, which made Emperor Palpatine’s resurrection at the hands of Sith cultists on the planet Exegol more or less inevitable.

The definitive explanation for Sheev Palpatine’s long journey from “middle-aged senator from the Planet Naboo” to “physical embodiment of a corporation that has run out of ideas” is found in Rae Carson’s upcoming novel The Rise of Skywalker: Expanded Edition (Star Wars).

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

6IXSTRINGJACK

Monday, March 2, 2020 10:50 AM

lol

It didn't have anything to do with the constant missteps before Episode 9.

No. It couldn't be that.

Get woke, go broke.

Saturday night's estimate was $164k, while Sunday's matches the $84k for Friday.

That will likely be the last six figure day for this woke turd.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

6IXSTRINGJACK

Monday, March 2, 2020 10:58 AM

Also, Week 10 marks the first sub Million week for Episode 9.

Though the chances are very slim, it might be possible that Episode 9 doesn't even pull in as much as Joker did in total at the box office if it's pulled from the theaters early enough. Wouldn't that be nuts?

Right now, it's pulled in $1,069,618,821.

Joker's total haul was $1,073,624,800.

The international totals show Joker blowing out Episode 9 by over $180 Million. If it wasn't for the negative Liberal press in America, it probably would have at least done as well in the US and killed Episode 9.

All that being said, Episode 9's (alleged) production budget was $220 Million more than Jokers was, and no doubt the marketing budget was insane compared to Joker's.

Without taking the unknown marketing budgets into account, as of March 1st, Joker has still made 224 Million more than Episode 9 did when you count the production budgets.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

6IXSTRINGJACK

Monday, March 2, 2020 11:08 AM

Actually.....

Now that I run the numbers, there's actually a pretty damn good chance that Joker ends up beating Episode 9 at the box office without even taking the production budgets into account.

If Episode 9 follows the trajectory that Joker did after it's first sub Million week, it can't possibly make the 4 Million it needs to beat Joker.

In Week Eleven, Joker made $743,094. In Week Ten, Episode 9 made $762,516.

But from Week Twelve through Week Twenty One (the most up to date figures for Joker), it only pulled in an additional $2,103,000. That also includes a big resurgence in Week Sixteen that was over $550,000 compared to the previous weeks $100,000 due to the Oscar hype, and three weeks after that which saw it higher than Week Sixteen as well. Episode 9 will NOT see this happen.

The best it can hope for is a much slower fall after its first sub million weekend and at least 20 weeks before it is removed from all theaters.

Not. Very. Likely.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

6IXSTRINGJACK

Monday, March 2, 2020 6:16 PM

Mark the date. Because if I'm right about Joker's Box Office beating Episode 9's, I'm dropping that bomb weeks before the YouTube nerds even had it in their head.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

SECOND

Monday, March 2, 2020 6:28 PM

Disney owns 20th Century Fox Animation. Fox made "Spies in Disguise" for $100 million, but worldwide box office is only 1.7 times production budget. It is a stinker.
www.the-numbers.com/movie/Spies-in-Disguise-(2019)#tab=summary

Disney does not know what will be a good movie when all it has is a script to decide to go ahead and make the movie. Disney should switch to Pixar's method - make the movie then remake if it stinks. Once the smell has been completely dissipated then it is time to release a Pixar movie. Disney doesn't do that. If a Disney movie stinks while it is a script, it will stink when it is released. Disney must believe it can spray Febreze fabric refresher with Lavender and Disney Scent to kill the odor.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

WHOZIT

Tuesday, March 3, 2020 1:55 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
1) After 5 minutes of watching The Rise of Skywalker, I knew Disney had badly screwed up by bringing a dead thing, smelly-rotting-disgusting Mister Emperor Palpatine, back to temporary life so that Disney could kill the thing at the end of the movie.

2) Months later, after reading the excellent script Disney started preparations to film, then stopped work, I really knew Disney had screwed up:
www.mediafire.com/file/qqz16qtvvwvv86t/Star_Wars_Episode_IX_Duel_of_th
e_Fates.pdf/file

3) But the true depths of Disney's screwed up movie were revealed tonight.

The Emperor in Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker Was a Clone, According to the Novelization

By Matthew Dessem
March 01, 2020 9:50 PM

https://slate.com/culture/2020/03/star-wars-rise-of-skywalker-palpatin
e-clone-novelization.html

When the news broke that Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker would feature the return of Emperor Palpatine, it didn’t take long for Star Wars superfans to come up with a plausible backstory to explain how he got there. Here’s the basic timeline: A few years after Palpatine fell down a shaft on the second Death Star during the Battle of Endor at the end of Return of the Jedi, a growing ethnofascist movement on Earth figured out how to harness fan culture and the rise of social media to recruit and train a new generation of Nazi stooges. After honing their powers during Gamergate, this ragtag band of white supremacist morons turned their attention on the Star Wars franchise, and were such relentless shitheads about the whole thing that they convinced senior management at the Walt Disney Company that Star Wars fans were liddle widdle babies who just wanted to be told the exact same stories about the exact same space wizards over and over and over again, which made Emperor Palpatine’s resurrection at the hands of Sith cultists on the planet Exegol more or less inevitable.

The definitive explanation for Sheev Palpatine’s long journey from “middle-aged senator from the Planet Naboo” to “physical embodiment of a corporation that has run out of ideas” is found in Rae Carson’s upcoming novel The Rise of Skywalker: Expanded Edition (Star Wars).

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

There's is no way this mess can be fixed, it's totaled. It's like Disney Corp dropped a wreaking ball on it. It's likely why Spielberg walked away from Indiana Jones, he didn't want his name connected to that future steaming bucket of puss.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Tuesday, March 3, 2020 6:23 PM

Second seems to think that the alternate version of Episode 9 was a magical machine that can put shit back into a horse.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

SECOND

Tuesday, March 3, 2020 7:30 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Second seems to think that the alternate version of Episode 9 was a magical machine that can put shit back into a horse.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Will you never stop bitching about female Jedi Knights? Disney had a perfectly good script, Duel_of_the_Fates. They didn't make that version of Star Wars 9 because Carrie Fisher died, but has Disney not heard of recasting a role when an actor is unavailable? Does Disney not know about how to make the replacement actor look like the character? Did Disney really need to wait 8 months to decide what to do about it? The Disney decision-makers are idiots and it is not because they added women warriors to Star Wars. They are idiots because Duel_of_the_Fates was a good script and The Rise of Skywalker was a crap script, but Disney picked the crap script to make -- which makes Disney look like idiots.

www.mediafire.com/file/qqz16qtvvwvv86t/Star_Wars_Episode_IX_Duel_of_th
e_Fates.pdf/file

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

WHOZIT

Wednesday, March 4, 2020 1:52 AM

WAIT!! Does this mean Rey is the grand daughter of...a clone? AHHAHAHAHAHAHA!!

AURAPTOR

Wednesday, March 4, 2020 6:37 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by whozit:
WAIT!! Does this mean Rey is the grand daughter of...a clone? AHHAHAHAHAHAHA!!

And her kiss with Kylo was mere gratitude, not romantical.

FFS, SW is now a dumpster fire.

But Dr Who died worse, imo.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Wednesday, March 4, 2020 6:56 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Second seems to think that the alternate version of Episode 9 was a magical machine that can put shit back into a horse.

Do Right, Be Right. :)
Will you never stop bitching about female Jedi Knights? Disney had a perfectly good script, Duel_of_the_Fates. They didn't make that version of Star Wars 9 because Carrie Fisher died, but has Disney not heard of recasting a role when an actor is unavailable? Does Disney not know about how to make the replacement actor look like the character? Did Disney really need to wait 8 months to decide what to do about it? The Disney decision-makers are idiots and it is not because they added women warriors to Star Wars. They are idiots because Duel_of_the_Fates was a good script and The Rise of Skywalker was a crap script, but Disney picked the crap script to make -- which makes Disney look like idiots.

www.mediafire.com/file/qqz16qtvvwvv86t/Star_Wars_Episode_IX_Duel_of_th
e_Fates.pdf/file

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

I never once bitched about female Jedi Knights. Not once.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

SECOND

Wednesday, March 4, 2020 6:58 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:
Originally posted by whozit:
WAIT!! Does this mean Rey is the grand daughter of...a clone? AHHAHAHAHAHAHA!!

And her kiss with Kylo was mere gratitude, not romantical.

FFS, SW is now a dumpster fire.

But Dr Who died worse, imo.

The Duel of the Fates has a much better death scene without kissing.

INT. TEMPLE OF MORTIS - NIGHT

Kylo feels the very thing that destroyed Anakin. But doesn't make him feel weak.
He looks at Rey's outstretched hand...and TAKES IT.

THE LIVING FORCE FLOWS BACK INTO HER.

Both light and dark swirl within Rey as Kylo is reduced to an empty shell. A man without power. A frightened boy.

Kylo and Rey collapse into one another, each propping the other up on their knees.
Rey is close to him now. Their foreheads touching.
He is weakened, spent. In the last moments of his life.

KYLO: Solana.

Rey is stunned to hear her name. Distant, like a memory.

KYLO: Your name. (last breath) Rey Solana.

Those words are Ben Solo's last.

Rey watches the light dim in his eyes. But it is the light.

REY: Goodbye Ben.

With a look that could be perceived as love, BEN SOLO DIES.
Rey releases her hold. Collapses. Barely alive herself.

They've fought to the death.

www.mediafire.com/file/qqz16qtvvwvv86t/Star_Wars_Episode_IX_Duel_of_th
e_Fates.pdf/file

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

6IXSTRINGJACK

Wednesday, March 4, 2020 7:12 AM

Ouch...

Monday night's take: $33,836. $86 per theater at only 393 theaters.

I'm calling it now. It's official.

Joker pulled in more at the box office than a freaking main Star Wars movie.

lol

The YouTube nerds should have fun with that one for a few days once one of them finally realize what has just happened here.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

SECOND

Wednesday, March 4, 2020 7:47 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Ouch...

Monday night's take: $33,836. $86 per theater at only 393 theaters.

I'm calling it now. It's official.

Joker pulled in more at the box office than a freaking main Star Wars movie.

lol

The YouTube nerds should have fun with that one for a few days once one of them finally realize what has just happened here.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Joker made 250 times more money than A Hidden Life (2019) a movie about the Austrian Franz Jägerstätter, a conscientious objector, refusing to fight for the Nazis in World War II.
www.boxofficemojo.com/title/tt5827916/
www.imdb.com/title/tt5827916/criticreviews?ref_=tt_ov_rt

The movie A Hidden Life ends with this quote which proves it is nothing like Joker:

“...for the growing good of the world is partly dependent on unhistoric acts; and that things are not so ill with you and me as they might have been, is half owing to the number who lived faithfully a hidden life, and rest in unvisited tombs.”
- George Eliot

Watch the movie for free, tonight:

1) A.Hidden.Life.2019.720p.WEBRip.2CH.x265.HEVC-PSA.part1.rar
https://mega.nz/#!sLxSDSLI!EF-k_7cVVgngOFsOohdCFxS1aXRRLJnyGjmde9hyQzQ

2) A.Hidden.Life.2019.720p.WEBRip.2CH.x265.HEVC-PSA.part2.rar
https://mega.nz/#!sL50gQQA!2NV3rokfwpJrloU53Kf5Ks58aII6QA7DlebFo8Wa8xc

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

6IXSTRINGJACK

Wednesday, March 4, 2020 8:02 AM

Downloading movies to watch them is so 2010.

It will also get you nasty letters from your cable company in 2020 too.

TRAP!

Do Right, Be Right. :)

SECOND

Wednesday, March 4, 2020 9:04 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Downloading movies to watch them is so 2010.

It will also get you nasty letters from your cable company in 2020 too.

TRAP!

Do Right, Be Right. :)

There is no trap, 6ix. You are confusing bittorrenting with downloading. I've gotten a hundred nasty emails (Notice of Action under the Digital Millennium Copyright Act) from Comcast over the last five years about bittorrenting, but they are never going to cut off my service. On the other hand, I've never gotten anything about downloading, such as the movie A Hidden Life. There is no trap, other than FOX Search Light, the film's distributor, will eventually ask mega.nz to delete the file for A Hidden Life. mega.nz will then do just that and the movie will no longer be available. It takes about 5 minutes to get the movie.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

6IXSTRINGJACK

Wednesday, March 4, 2020 9:24 AM

If you don't have a better option, just get KODI man. Insane amount of content on there and you're just streaming it to your device like YouTube so there never is a "download" unless you choose to specifically download it.

Not that I watch much these days, but I don't think I've torrented or even downloaded any movies or TV shows since 2012 at least. $40 bucks and 10 minutes of your time is all it takes. $25 if you catch a device on sale. Plenty of YT videos on how to do it, but look for a recent one since they're always updating it and making it better/easier. Back when I first did it, it was a huge pain but now it's so easy my grandma could do it.

Then you're not limited to watching it on your computer, and you don't have to put it on network storage to stream it to your TV either.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

SECOND

Wednesday, March 4, 2020 9:35 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
If you don't have a better option, just get KODI man. Insane amount of content on there and you're just streaming it to your device like YouTube so there never is a "download" unless you choose to specifically download it.

Not that I watch much these days, but I don't think I've torrented or even downloaded any movies or TV shows since 2012 at least. $40 bucks and 10 minutes of your time is all it takes. $25 if you catch a device on sale. Plenty of YT videos on how to do it, but look for a recent one since they're always updating it and making it better/easier. Back when I first did it, it was a huge pain but now it's so easy my grandma could do it.

Then you're not limited to watching it on your computer, and you don't have to put it on network storage to stream it to your TV either.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

I can use google chromecast to send the movie to the TV from the computer. I also have a skystream, but I am a caveman who likes to keep a digital copy of every movie and TV show I have watched. Someday I might want to watch it a "second" time. I shall never watch The Rise of Skywalker, again. What a stupid movie. I wish Disney had made Duel of the Fates. It is a tragedy it was not filmed as big as there not being a sequel to Serenity.

www.skystreamx.com

When Disney remakes Star Wars 9 (and you know they will like they did with Mary Poppins or Cinderella or Little Mermaid or Alice in Wonderland or . . .) I hope they use the script for Duel of the Fates rather than The Rise of Skywalker.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

6IXSTRINGJACK

Wednesday, March 4, 2020 8:34 PM

Hey... if that's the way you wanna do it and it works, whatever floats your boat man. Storage is cheap these days. I hope you have it backed up. I lost all of mine years ago, but then I realized I probably never wanted to watch any of it again, and thanks to piracy and the internet if I ever did it won't break the bank like it once did. (Remember the days when a season of the Sopranos or X-Files selling for $125 on DVD?)

I don't blame you for not being worried about downloading it either. They put the kibosh on those crackdowns years ago. TPTB don't want things like that making people afraid of the internet, because it's better for TPTB if everyone is on it as much as possible. When is the last time you even heard the acronyms RIAA or MPAA in the news?

Still though, for me, I'd rather just stream anything on the rare occasion I actually want to see something Hollywood puts out. Why tempt fate, I figure.

If they ever figure out a way to completely disallow watching something without paying for it, I won't be sad that I didn't hoard it all when I had the chance (something that ruled my thinking back in the heyday of Napster). The price is right at FREE. If they want to charge me to watch or listen to anything, I'll take a hard pass. Plenty on YouTube I find to be infinitely more entertaining anyhow.

Quote:
When Disney remakes Star Wars 9 (and you know they will like they did with Mary Poppins or Cinderella or Little Mermaid or Alice in Wonderland or . . .) I hope they use the script for Duel of the Fates rather than The Rise of Skywalker.

I imagine that they will reboot the entire thing before I die. 10 or 20 years from now probably. I wonder if they'll start with Episode 1 or go out of chronological order again. How much will be re-written? Will the casting make any sense at all?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

6IXSTRINGJACK

Wednesday, March 4, 2020 8:54 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Ouch...

Monday night's take: $33,836. $86 per theater at only 393 theaters.

I'm calling it now. It's official.

Joker pulled in more at the box office than a freaking main Star Wars movie.

lol

The YouTube nerds should have fun with that one for a few days once one of them finally realize what has just happened here.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

DISNEY just pulls a rabbit out of it's ass...

Magically, Rise of Skywalker just made $4 Million overnight, even though the US Box Office on Monday night was only $33,000+.

Total Worldwide Gross:1,073,718,318

Now it's just shy of taking over Joker's Box Office by around $25,000, which it will easily double in the US alone on Deal Tuesday.

Liars and con artists.

Somebody at Disney read my thread here and decided to "correct" this by using some shady international numbers that nobody is ever going to be able to disprove.

I should have kept that to myself and laughed after it happened.

It still loses by around $220 Million after the production budget. Likely double that when marketing budgets are included.

Oh well... Sorry, Joaquin.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

6IXSTRINGJACK

Friday, March 6, 2020 12:02 AM

Yup... something really fishy is going on here...

Now the total Worldwide Gross has been "downgraded" to only $1,072,696,82.

And that now includes the $45k+ it made in the states on Deal Tuesday.

Just yesterday, without Deal Tuesday figured in, the WWGross was $1,073,718,318.... a whole $1 Million more than they're showing today.

With these "revised" numbers, Episode 9 is now $1,046,509 behind Joker's final take (not including what it made Wednesday night).

But who knows what's really going on here and if the numbers will change for no reason again?

I'm not even sure if there is any way that you could tell what countries it's still playing in outside of the US anymore. The only two that have reported any numbers since 2/29 was the UK on 3/4 and New Zealand on 3/2. It's quite possible that outside of the US the UK and New Zealand are the only other places still showing it.

Most other countries "stopped" reporting on 2/22 or earlier, leading me to believe that none of them are even showing it anymore.

France, Germany, Hong Kong, Italy, Japan, Mexico, and South Korea are the countries that last reported on Saturday, the 29th of February. This could mean that they reported their final week ending Thursday the 27th, or that they're still showing this week. Maybe a mix of both.

Internationally, it hasn't done very well... so any countries still showing it probably won't be adding much to the totals (significantly less than the already poor showings this week so far in the US, I would imagine).

So if no more "magic" happens, $1 Million would still be quite a hurdle to overcome with less than 400 theaters showing it, and Deal Tuesday surprising me by not even clearing $50,000.

Unless I'm wrong about international takes not leading to much anymore, Episode 9 would likely need another 4 to 6 weeks in the theaters to beat Joker, depending on how many theaters are showing it and how poorly it fares against the new competition.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

6IXSTRINGJACK

Friday, March 6, 2020 5:02 AM

With Wednesday Night added, the new total is $1,072,731,821

And now that we know Joker got an entire extra week in 72 theaters that went unreported until today, the new Joker BO is 1,073,747,331

Assuming Thursday's Episode 9 take Stateside to be around $35,000, that's
a whole $980,000 it's going to have to make to beat Joker before it leaves theaters.

And who knows? We might even get 1 more unexpected week of Joker in the theaters to slowly chip away at the gains.

Only time will tell if Disney lies about some magic money again to put it over the top, or if the film can somehow hobble across that finish line on its own.

My guess is a $150,000 take for Friday through Sunday night, and then an average of $20,000 per day during the week. With a high on Deal Tuesday evened out by a Thursday that's sub $20,000... In total, 1/4 of what it needs to make by next Thursday.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

AURAPTOR

Friday, March 6, 2020 9:55 AM

The Force is female.

And Kathleen Kennedy is an idiot.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Friday, March 6, 2020 10:17 AM

Do Right, Be Right. :)

6IXSTRINGJACK

Saturday, March 7, 2020 8:34 AM

Once somebody at thenumbers figured out Joker was still in theaters it seems they're keeping up to date with it once again. Not sure yet if it's still going to be in the BO next week, but if it closed down last night that was a full 22 weeks.

That being said, it just bumped up to a pretty nice round number if it's over now.

Joker's current take: $1,073,750,538

Episode 9's current take: $1,072,763,023

For a difference of $987,515

Episode 9 pulled in $503,925 in Week 11, down from $762,516 in Week 10, which itself was down from $2,077,009 in Week 9.

If Disney doesn't pull any more shenanigans here, it looks like we've got a race folks.

If Episode 9 only loses another 34% next week like it did last week, it might have an easy time getting over the hump before being pulled. However, if it loses 63% like the week prior, it probably can't make it up.

UK and New Zealand are still the only two countries outside of the US to post new numbers since the 29th of February, so it's still hard to tell how much help if any it's really going to get internationally.

For comparison's sake, Weeks 9-12 for Joker went as follows:

WEEK 09: $2,528,476 -43% from previous week. (Around 450k more than Ep. 9)
WEEK 10: $1,468,751 -42% from previous week. (Around 800k more than Ep. 9)
WEEK 11: __$743,094 -49% from previous week. (Around 240k more than Ep. 9)
WEEK 12: __$266,462 -64% from previous week... we shall see

Joker took quite a hit from Week 11 to Week 12.

No doubt because Episode 9 came out that week and was busy making $177 Million at the Domestic Box Office.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

6IXSTRINGJACK

Saturday, March 7, 2020 10:12 PM

WEEK 11 TOTALS

I did a little tweaking to the graph, as well as added the total Weekly Domestic Gross to each flick.

Further notes and thoughts below...

KEY:
B.O.DAY = Day of the week / which week by number
T # = Number of theaters shown
GrP T = Gross per theater

EP9 = The Rise of Skywalker

B.O.DAY -- MOVIE / GROSS ---/ T # / GrP T /MOVIE/ GROSS ---/ T # / GrP T
________________________________________________________________________

WEEK 1: [WEEKLY GROSS] [JOKER: $137,728,787] / [EPISODE 9: $289,796,816]
________________________________________________________________________

-1st Fri - JOKER $39,350,693 4,374 $8,997 / EP9 $89,615,288 4,406 $20339
-1st Sat - JOKER $32,476,803 4,374 $7,425 / EP9 $47,467,565 4,406 $10773
-1st Sun - JOKER $24,374,841 4,374 $5,573 / EP9 $40,301,011 4,406 $9,147
-1st Mon - JOKER $ 9,702,049 4,374 $2,218 / EP9 $29,389,847 4,406 $6,670
-1st Tue - JOKER $13,908,626 4,374 $3,180 / EP9 $20,270,474 4,406 $4,601
-1st Wed - JOKER $ 9,611,712 4,374 $2,197 / EP9 $32,165,681 4,406 $7,300
-1st Thu - JOKER $ 8,304,063 4,374 $1,899 / EP9 $30,586,950 4,406 $6,942
________________________________________________________________________

WEEK 2: [WEEKLY GROSS] [JOKER: $_80,295,217] / [EPISODE 9: $127,260,625]
________________________________________________________________________

-2nd Fri - JOKER $16,906,386 4,374 $3,865 / EP9 $26,069,973 4,406 $5,917
-2nd Sat - JOKER $22,137,778 4,374 $5,061 / EP9 $25,075,535 4,406 $5,691
-2nd Sun - JOKER $16,817,239 4,374 $3,845 / EP9 $21,244,082 4,406 $4,822
-2nd Mon - JOKER $ 8,345,763 4,374 $1,908 / EP9 $15,302,130

AURAPTOR

Sunday, March 8, 2020 12:29 AM

Commendable work.
Well done.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Sunday, March 8, 2020 1:12 AM

Thanks buddy.

I'm kind of digging the box office numbers right now.

It's giving a little bit of flare and excitement to the end of that puddle of blood and guts on the floor that used to be a horse that I've long since beaten to death.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

AURAPTOR

Sunday, March 8, 2020 3:44 AM

Thinking the Wuhan death virus is gonna put a dent in the box office numbers , like MGM does? Switching the release date for 007 No Time To Die back to November was a curious move.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/mgm-take-30-million-hit-moving-
bond-film-no-time-die-1282803

6IXSTRINGJACK

Sunday, March 8, 2020 5:02 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Thinking the Wuhan death virus is gonna put a dent in the box office numbers , like MGM does? Switching the release date for 007 No Time To Die back to November was a curious move.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/mgm-take-30-million-hit-moving-
bond-film-no-time-die-1282803

I'm not banking on it personally.

I think COVID is a convenient excuse for the movie industry. That's what they were blaming the BoP failure on, but Sonic came in well above expectations the following week.

We all know that the next 007 flick is a woke dumpster fire before it even comes out. Maybe they're doing re-shoots.

As for Episode 9, the weekly numbers are well under a million now. My guess for this week is around $300k-$320k. There's even a slight chance that it doesn't break six figures tonight.

Anybody who is still aching to see Episode 9 in week 12 probably wasn't going to be dissuaded by COVID.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

6IXSTRINGJACK

Monday, March 9, 2020 7:04 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
But at this point, that's not what it's about. We're tracking the remaining floundering days of Episode 9 to see if it loses in the Total Box Office take or not.

As of this morning, we don't know if Joker is still showing in any theaters or not. We thought it was gone last week, but then Wednesday night they put a whole week's worth of new numbers up. We also don't know at this point if Episode 9 is showing anywhere outside of the US anymore either.

CURRENT TOTALS:
JOKER: $1,073,750,538
EPISODE 9: $1,072,815,023

DIFFERENCE: $935,515

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Would you look at that... Disney fudging the numbers again.

Now it's at $1,073,629,813.

Hilarious, since it only pulled in $97,000 on Saturday and an expected $51,000 tonight. (Just as I predicted, a good chance that it wouldn't break six figures and exactly on track to make that $300-$320k figure for the week that I predicted as well).

But sure... That adds up to $810,000, right?

Fucking Democrats and their math.

UK still hasn't reported new numbers since the 4th. New Zealand hasn't reported new numbers since the 2nd. All other countries and territories have also not posted ANY new numbers since before the $4 Million was initially added out of thin air.

There is ZERO reason for this.

They added $4 million magically the other night. Then took $1 million away the very next night. And now they've added almost all of that back again.

Don't anybody believe Disney when they say that Episode 9 beat Joker in the Box Office.

They're full of shit.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

6IXSTRINGJACK

Tuesday, March 10, 2020 8:01 AM

And the see-sawing of imaginary Disney numbers continues...

$1,073,543,545

Still more than enough to beat Joker by the time it's kicked out of theaters, but $80,000 less than was being reported last night.

WTF is going on with this movie?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

6IXSTRINGJACK

Wednesday, March 11, 2020 8:26 AM

All Disney shenanigans aside, my predictions for the week are spot on.

Monday night was $21,611, which makes the total so far for the week only $219,976, which puts it right in line for the $300-$320k prediction I had made. (Deal Tuesday will probably be near $40,000, which should barely put it over $300k.

That being said, having only made $21,611 last night, the Worldwide Gross is now at $1,073,649,789, which means that $21,611 actually equals $106,244 when using Liberal Math.

That is, unless anybody believes that this flick made $85,000 in New Zealand last week. (Lo and behold, there actually was a new international report accounting for at least some of the inflated numbers. This is the first international reporting update that has taken place since they magically made an extra $4 million dollars appear out of thin air).

Still no new numbers from the UK yet, but if it's still in New Zeland I'm betting that it got at least one more week in the UK too.

Nobody else has reported since the 29th, and more than half of them the 22nd or before.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

6IXSTRINGJACK

Friday, March 13, 2020 7:11 PM

Deal Tuesday's take just barely cleared $27,000, which was a lot lower than I expected.

I thought, if anything, I was being conservative with my $300-$320k Domestic take for the week. But there's a great chance that it didn't crack $20,000 last night as I predicted it wouldn't, and if that's the case, it's going to fall around $13-$14k below my lowest prediction.

But with Magic Disney Democrat Math (or MDDM), it now sits at a total Gross of $1,073,697,067. No valid explanation at all for that additional $4 Million dollars, but Disney should keep a lid on the schematics for the machine they created that pulls molecules out of the air and creates cash. I do hope they make all of their employees sign NDAs.

We wouldn't want that falling in the wrong hands.

Joker's total is now sitting at $1,074,151,311.

It's still unclear if Joker got another week in the theaters after March 5th or not. It's probably not very likely.

There's still a difference of $454,244 as of Friday morning, March 13th.

With Star Wars unlikely to come close to $200k for the whole week this upcoming week and dropping from there, we still have a race if Disney is done pulling that shit.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

6IXSTRINGJACK

Saturday, March 14, 2020 1:13 AM

Yup...

$18,707 on Thursday night. The night it dipped under $20k, just like I predicted it would last week.

So the total for the week was $285,961. $14k lower than even my lowest estimate.

BLAME IT ON COVID!!!!!!!!

This also gives Episode 9 the win on Total Week 12 Gross by around $14.5k, as I had predicted it would (given that Week 12 for Joker was the week that Episode 9 came in and dominated theaters and it was also Christmas week).

I'm going to wait for tonight's estimates to come in tomorrow before making predictions for the week and putting the graph together again.

My guess for tonight though????

$35-$38k.

That is, if everybody isn't terrified of going to the theaters now that the Pope came out and cancelled Catholic Mass.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

AURAPTOR

Saturday, March 14, 2020 4:20 AM

* like *

SECOND

Saturday, March 14, 2020 8:58 PM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

6IXSTRINGJACK

Saturday, March 14, 2020 11:15 PM

Hmmmm....

Maybe people are staying at home.

$22,000 estimated for Friday night's Episode 9 is certainly less than I guessed it would be. Hell, I've probably got more money in my wallet than the amount it was above what it made on Monday night.

That's $12-16k less than my estimate was... Which is the amount I was off for the entire previous week combined.

It's really hard to tell though, because there is nothing new in theaters that anybody really gives two shits about. Number 1 is that new Disney/Pixar flick that already was going to do poorly before the panic broke out. There were three new flicks out this weekend that nobody expected to do very well in the long run. This week was already expected to be worse than last year since Captain Marvel had pulled in over $60 Million alone for its second weekend and nothing here is going to come close.

EDIT: Oh geez.... nevermind. Disney/Pixar's Onward is in THIRD for its second week with less than $3.25 Million!

It was expected to clear $20 or even possibly $22 Million on the low end for a solid 1st place.

Yup. I think people are hunkering down right now. At least, the family friendly movies getting hit the hardest here. People are still going out to see movies, but with this Friday estimate for Onward being so low I wouldn't expect it to make more than $12 Million for the weekend, which would suggest that 40-45% of families are staying at home.

P.S. I wouldn't waste Comcast's bandwidth downloading Episode 9 or hard drive space on my own computer. I haven't seen a Star Wars flick since Episode II, and I'm not about to start with that piece of trash.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

6IXSTRINGJACK

Saturday, March 14, 2020 11:23 PM

WEEK 12 NUMBERS

Notes and thoughts below...

KEY:
B.O.DAY = Day of the week / which week by number
T # = Number of theaters shown
GrP T = Gross per theater

EP9 = The Rise of Skywalker

B.O.DAY -- MOVIE / GROSS ---/ T # / GrP T /MOVIE/ GROSS ---/ T # / GrP T
________________________________________________________________________

WEEK 1: [WEEKLY GROSS] [JOKER: $137,728,787] / [EPISODE 9: $289,796,816]
________________________________________________________________________

-1st Fri - JOKER $39,350,693 4,374 $8,997 / EP9 $89,615,288 4,406 $20339
-1st Sat - JOKER $32,476,803 4,374 $7,425 / EP9 $47,467,565 4,406 $10773
-1st Sun - JOKER $24,374,841 4,374 $5,573 / EP9 $40,301,011 4,406 $9,147
-1st Mon - JOKER $ 9,702,049 4,374 $2,218 / EP9 $29,389,847 4,406 $6,670
-1st Tue - JOKER $13,908,626 4,374 $3,180 / EP9 $20,270,474 4,406 $4,601
-1st Wed - JOKER $ 9,611,712 4,374 $2,197 / EP9 $32,165,681 4,406 $7,300
-1st Thu - JOKER $ 8,304,063 4,374 $1,899 / EP9 $30,586,950 4,406 $6,942
________________________________________________________________________

WEEK 2: [WEEKLY GROSS] [JOKER: $_80,295,217] / [EPISODE 9: $127,260,625]
________________________________________________________________________

-2nd Fri - JOKER $16,906,386 4,374 $3,865 / EP9 $26,069,973 4,406 $5,917
-2nd Sat - JOKER $22,137,778 4,374 $5,061 / EP9 $25,075,535 4,406 $5,691
-2nd Sun - JOKER $16,817,239 4,374 $3,845 / EP9 $21,244,082 4,406 $4,822
-2nd Mon - JOKER $ 8,345,763 4,374 $1,908 / EP9 $15,302,130 4,406 $3,473
-2nd Tue - JOKER &l

6IXSTRINGJACK

Monday, March 16, 2020 12:58 AM

Estimated Weekend Take is up.

Friday: $22,000
Saturday: $34,000
Sunday: $20,000

Total BO: $1,073,791,774 (No new MDDM yet)...

Some international Box Office figures were updated as of yesterday, so it's apparently still showing in quite a few countries that weren't reporting it. That being said, I'm still unclear why the total box office hasn't been increased since yesterday when they were reported, yet there was a $4 Million spike that couldn't be accounted for a while back.

Countries that reported numbers for 3/14:

Australia (I know... not a country)
Brazil
France
Germany
Italy
Japan
Netherlands
Poland
Spain

New Zealand still hasn't reported since 3/4 and the UK last reported on 3/11.

With roughly a $306,000 deficit to what Joker made, it's very unlikely that it won't pass it at some point before it's out of theaters. Especially since making magic money appear will be a lot easier to do with up to 11 countries outside of the US still showing it.

No chance it will beat it by a Million though and get to $1,075,000,000.

So even if Joker didn't sell a single DVD/Blu Ray in the future, it still beat Episode 9 by nearly $200 Million when you consider production budgets. Closer to 2 1/2 times that with the marketing budgets on top of it.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

SECOND

Monday, March 16, 2020 5:30 PM

How Star Wars 1977 was saved in the edit.

Steven Spielberg and Brian De Palma gave the rough cut two thumbs down. “It makes no sense!”

It is a lesson on how the first Star Wars could have been as bad as The Rise of Skywalker.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

6IXSTRINGJACK

Monday, March 16, 2020 9:05 PM

Yeah. I knew the history of it.

If nothing else, had it not had John Williams composing the music it might not even be remembered today at all outside of the most die-hard nerds.

It was a fluke. An accident. But like many great works of art in the history of mankind, timeless beauty can come from mistakes.

But trying to compare the original Star Wars to Episode 9 is insanely disingenuous.

Episode 9 benefited from one of the largest franchise names in cinema that has been around for 40 years and made billions of dollars (a majority of that from merchandising outside of the movies... at least until the woke trash they've been putting out). I mean, to be fair I can take a step back for a moment and say that there is nothing that anybody could ever possibly do that would ever live up to the expectations. Ever.

(I know you're a fan of Tim Schafer yourself too, and you're probably aware that this fear is why he said that he has no desire to ever make a third installment in the Maniac Mansion series).

You keep forgetting how bad the first two Disney additions were. Specifically Episode 8 and how much it was hated, and then Solo doubling down on woke and being the first SW movie ever to lose such large amounts of money that there was no way to spin it as a "win" for the producers. (Although once it was clear that it was a loss the access media wasted no time asking the question "Is the day of white male lead movies finally dead?".)

Could they have put out a better end-product for Episode 9? I have no doubt they could have. Would it have mattered at that point? Serious doubt.

They had ZERO plan going into any of it. They had zero clue what Episode 8 was going to look like when filming for Episode 7 started, let alone any concerns about what was going to happen in Episode 9. And in the end, after constant script changing and dumping directors, they painted themselves into a really tight corner.

Lucas had a vision. Granted, his vision for the prequel trilogy was shit, but it was still his vision.

The only plan for the Producers at Disney was their agenda above all else. Even above money.

There were decisions made in Ep's 7 and 8 that either trivialized actions taken (and sometimes even the entire existences of characters) from the first trilogy. There was zero respect for the source material. They were going to do what they wanted to do, no matter how little sense it made.

Rey was going to be perfect. She was going to have zero obstacles to overcome, and zero character growth, because she is a woman and women are perfect.

Of course, in real life, this is not true at all. All but the most flaming, man-hating feminists out there realize this too, so except for in the minds of a few very delusional people the character of Rey is relatable to no-one. No man. No woman. No boy. No girl.

Rey is a basic bitch.

No offense to the actress, who I'm sure is lovely in real life. Flaws and all.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

SECOND

Monday, March 16, 2020 10:59 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

It was a fluke. An accident. But like many great works of art in the history of mankind, timeless beauty can come from mistakes.

That is bullshit. Beauty comes from tossing ugly into the trashcan. Or if it is painting or movie, scrape off the ugly and paint over.

In February 1977, Star Wars had grotesque story errors. Look at the video, again. The film was released in May 25, 1977. George Lucas was lucky to be only working on this movie. He had nothing to distract him from the upcoming fiasco/tragedy/failure/disappointment if he didn’t fix what he had done wrong during writing and filming. On the other hand, J.J Abrams was working on a dozen movies and TV shows at the same time he worked on his version of Star Wars. It sure does show in the final product. Abrams was distracted by all money he was making on his many side hustles.

The Open Crawl wasn’t right in early 1977.

1) The long and bad version:

The REPUBLIC GALACTICA is dead. Ruthless trader
barons, driven by greed and the lust for power, have
replaced enlightenment with oppression, and "rule by
the people" with the FIRST GALACTIC EMPIRE.

For over a thousand years, generations of JEDI
KNIGHTS were the guardians of peace and justice in the
galaxy. Now these legendary warriors are all but extinct.
One by one they have been hunted down and destroyed
by the sinister agents of the Emperor: the DARK LORDS
OF THE SITH.

It is a period of civil wars. Rebel Armies, striking from
fortresses hidden deep within the Great Rift, have won a
crushing victory over the powerful Imperial Starfleet.
The Emperor knows that one more such defeat will
bring a thousand more solar systems into the rebellion,
and Imperial control of the Outland systems could be
lost forever. To crush the rebellion once and for all, the
Emperor has sent one of his most ferocious Dark Lords
to find the secret rebel strongholds and destroy them…

https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/The_Star_Wars:_From_The_Adventures_of
_Luke_Starkiller

2) The short and good version:

It is a period of civil war.
Rebel spaceships, striking
from a hidden base, have won
their first victory against
the evil Galactic Empire.

During the battle, Rebel
spies managed to steal secret
plans to the Empire's
ultimate weapon, the DEATH
STAR, an armored space
station with enough power
to destroy an entire planet.

Pursued by the Empire's
sinister agents, Princess
Leia races home aboard her
starship, custodian of the
stolen plans that can save her
people and restore
freedom to the galaxy.…

https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Star_Wars:_Episode_IV_A_New_Hope

Can you see the difference between 1) and 2) ?
George Lucas couldn't. Brian De Palma had to write 2) for him and browbeating him into using it.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

6IXSTRINGJACK

Monday, March 16, 2020 11:14 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

It was a fluke. An accident. But like many great works of art in the history of mankind, timeless beauty can come from mistakes.
That is bullshit. Beauty comes from tossing ugly into the trashcan. Or if it is painting or movie, scrape off the ugly and paint over.

Oh really?

That's the opinion of an uncultured idiot who likes to play pretend.

Blame it on Texas.

Art of the Beautiful Accidents-How to Embrace Failure

https://www.abbeyroad.com/news/art-of-the-beautiful-accidents-how-to-e
mbrace-failure-2491

Quote:
Let’s look at Wabi-Sabi, a Japanese philosophy from the 14th century, a world view centred on the acceptance of transience and imperfection. Wabi-Sabi is embracing authenticity, by accepting ‘three simple realities: nothing lasts, nothing is finished, and nothing is perfect’ (Powell, Richard R. 2004, Wabi Sabi Simple. Adams Media). In design and art it means finding, and therefore almost encouraging, the beauty in imperfection, and maybe even arguing that errors, damages and signs of aging are making artefacts more authentic, more interesting, and simply beautiful.

30 Times Accidental Art Was Better Than Your Actual Art

https://www.boredpanda.com/unintentional-art-by-accident/?utm_source=g
oogle&utm_medium=organic&utm_campaign=organic

Quote:
Art is all around us. While you may expect art to come from the talent and genius of a gifted human being, it turns out that the forces of nature are a rival to any of the creative giants that we have produced, and in some cases, even better!

The "Happy Accident," "Beautiful Oops," and Creativity

https://www.liveabout.com/happy-accident-beautiful-oops-2578739

Quote:
"Artists who seek perfection in everything are those who cannot attain it in anything."

12 Times Awesome Art Happened By Accident

https://www.demilked.com/examples-of-accidental-art/

Quote:
Art always finds a way and we don’t necessarily have any say in it. Take a look at these accidental strokes of brilliance for example. If you saw them in a museum then you’d probably think they were the work of some masterly and highly-skilled artist. But they’re not. They’re accidents, and they’re all the better for it.

Go back to bitching about Trump all day, every day. You're wrong about everything you say, but at least you're good at complaining.

Some might even say that you accidentally turned it into an art form.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

SECOND

Monday, March 16, 2020 11:26 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Oh really?

That's the opinion of an uncultured idiot who likes to play pretend.

Blame it on Texas.

A movie is a huge industrial product made with the labor of thousands and you are comparing it to handcrafted art made by a single person. Industrial products are not accidentally good. You have to work and rework until it is right. J.J. Abrams did not have the time to rework anything. That is why Star Wars was trashy; he didn't throw away the ugly and stupid parts; he kept it all in the script; he filmed it in all its ugliness and stupidity; he sent it to the theaters because he was too busy on his other projects: his TV shows and other movies being simultaneously produced during the years Abrams was making Star Wars movies.

Look at all the crap J.J. Abrams makes each year: www.imdb.com/name/nm0009190/
When does he sleep? He is too busy making money to make good art.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

6IXSTRINGJACK

Monday, March 16, 2020 11:34 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Oh really?

That's the opinion of an uncultured idiot who likes to play pretend.

Blame it on Texas.
A movie is a huge industrial product made with the labor of thousands and you are comparing it to handcrafted art made by a single person. Industrial products are not accidentally good. You have to work and rework until it is right. J.J. Abrams did not have the time to rework anything. That is why Star Wars was trashy; he didn't throw away the ugly and stupid parts; he kept it all in the script; he filmed it in all its ugliness and stupidity; he sent it to the theaters because he was too busy on his other projects: his TV shows and other movies being simultaneously produced during the years Abrams was making Star Wars movies.

Look at all the crap J.J. Abrams makes each year: www.imdb.com/name/nm0009190/
When does he sleep? He is too busy making money to make good art.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

It's hard to argue with that point.

I think that perhaps we've hit the point where there is just too much money in movies. The same could be said of modern day AAA video games as well.

Everything is riding on them doing well, or at least having one huge blockbuster to save them from all of their huge budget failures, of which in both industries, there are a lot.

To big to fail isn't a concept based in reality. All of these mega-companies that have spent the last 5 decades buying up everyone else are all too big, and spend every second of every day on the precipice of catastrophic failure.

You want to talk about shit-canning trash?

Let's let the whole thing burn to the ground and see the good that springs up from the ashes.

In the mean time, maybe they can take this COVID-19 break that was forced upon them to realize that every time they push a Woke Agenda in their movies, they're playing with a box of matches in a warehouse of tanker trucks full of gasoline.

It might be a coin toss whether or not a movie is going to be a hit, but when you go woke you're slashing your own odds to 10% or less. That doesn't seem like a marketing strategy that is very sound in the long term.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

WHOZIT

Tuesday, March 17, 2020 12:23 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

It was a fluke. An accident. But like many great works of art in the history of mankind, timeless beauty can come from mistakes.
That is bullshit. Beauty comes from tossing ugly into the trashcan. Or if it is painting or movie, scrape off the ugly and paint over.

In February 1977, Star Wars had grotesque story errors. Look at the video, again. The film was released in May 25, 1977. George Lucas was lucky to be only working on this movie. He had nothing to distract him from the upcoming fiasco/tragedy/failure/disappointment if he didn’t fix what he had done wrong during writing and filming. On the other hand, J.J Abrams was working on a dozen movies and TV shows at the same time he worked on his version of Star Wars. It sure does show in the final product. Abrams was distracted by all money he was making on his many side hustles.

The Open Crawl wasn’t right in early 1977.

1) The long and bad version:

The REPUBLIC GALACTICA is dead. Ruthless trader
barons, driven by greed and the lust for power, have
replaced enlightenment with oppression, and "rule by
the people" with the FIRST GALACTIC EMPIRE.

For over a thousand years, generations of JEDI
KNIGHTS were the guardians of peace and justice in the
galaxy. Now these legendary warriors are all but extinct.
One by one they have been hunted down and destroyed
by the sinister agents of the Emperor: the DARK LORDS
OF THE SITH.

It is a period of civil wars. Rebel Armies, striking from
fortresses hidden deep within the Great Rift, have won a
crushing victory over the powerful Imperial Starfleet.
The Emperor knows that one more such defeat will
bring a thousand more solar systems into the rebellion,
and Imperial control of the Outland systems could be
lost forever. To crush the rebellion once and for all, the
Emperor has sent one of his most ferocious Dark Lords
to find the secret rebel strongholds and destroy them…

https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/The_Star_Wars:_From_The_Adventures_of
_Luke_Starkiller

2) The short and good version:

It is a period of civil war.
Rebel spaceships, striking
from a hidden base, have won
their first victory against
the evil Galactic Empire.

During the battle, Rebel
spies managed to steal secret
plans to the Empire's
ultimate weapon, the DEATH
STAR, an armored space
station with enough power
to destroy an entire planet.

Pursued by the Empire's
sinister agents, Princess
Leia races home aboard her
starship, custodian of the
stolen plans that can save her
people and restore
freedom to the galaxy.…

https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Star_Wars:_Episode_IV_A_New_Hope

Can you see the difference between 1) and 2) ?
George Lucas couldn't. Brian De Palma had to write 2) for him and browbeating him into using it.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

That was really interesting, thanks for posting that vid.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Wednesday, March 18, 2020 6:16 AM

Almost feel bad for Episode 9 today.

Didn't even clear $7k last night.

That didn't happen to Joker until week 20.

EDIT: Wow. Just noticed that was $36 per theater on average. Joker had almost exactly 10 times that per theater on the same day in Week 13 at $359 per theater.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

6IXSTRINGJACK

Wednesday, March 18, 2020 10:42 AM

New Worldwide Box Office Totals:

Joker: $1,074,251,311
Episode 9: $1,073,798,941

Difference: $452,370

Episode 9 would have to average the same amount of money it made last night for the next 67 days straight and remain in theaters for 1 week longer than Joker did to beat Joker now.

If these were normal circumstances, I'd say that would never happen, but who knows how movies are going to be handled in the next few months. Will theaters be shut down, or just continue to show old movies with no new releases?

If the panic subsides but there are a few weeks before anything new drops, it's possible that Star Wars might have a few more monster weekends under its belt when people start going back to theaters with nothing new showing.

It will be interesting to see what happens.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

AURAPTOR

Wednesday, March 18, 2020 3:57 PM

Seems all moot now. Theatres are outright closing until further notice.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Wednesday, March 18, 2020 7:11 PM

Wow.... I see.

AMC, Regal and Cinemark are closing their doors now indefinitely. I don't see anything about an order to do this. I would imagine that smaller family owned theaters will try to keep their doors open because they have to, but since the big three are shutting them down now that will all but kill the box office numbers since they own most of the theaters in the country.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

6IXSTRINGJACK

Thursday, March 19, 2020 7:37 PM

Yeesh...

Numbers for Thursday haven't come out, but here are Episode 9's numbers for Monday and Tuesday.

Monday: $6,756; $36 per theater
Tuesday: $2,465; $13 per theater

That's got to be the first time since I've been tracking that ANY movie had done worse on Deal Tuesday than the day before. Does anybody know the exact day that the big theater chains shut down?

While that alone certainly doesn't look good for our little race here and almost obligates me to put an astrisk next to the Joker win, something else funny just happened in the last 24 hours too...

Episode 9's Total Worldwide Gross just inexplicably fell again, and this time it fell big.

$1,070,284,160... down from $1,073,798,941 just yesterday.

Seriously... does anybody have any ideas what is going on with the Box Office for this movie? That's now $3.5 Million+ removed from the total. With the see-sawing of unattributable additions and subtractions this movie has seen in the last 2 weeks, that puts it right about where it should be before they added the $4 Million dollars out of thin air in the first place.

As it stands now...

Joker: $1,074,251,311
Episode 9: $1,070,284,160
Difference: $3,967,151

Its deficit just grew by 9 times. That's a difference it couldn't hope to make up in the best of times this late in its Box Office life, let alone while being crippled in only a fraction of the theaters that it should still be showing in.

Do you suppose with the Disney stock prices falling like a rock at the moment, people didn't want to be accused of obviously gaming any numbers?

Surely if a dumbass nobody like me saw all of that, somebody with a bit more clout did.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

6IXSTRINGJACK

Friday, March 20, 2020 8:23 AM

Holy shit.

Episode 9's Wednesday night take?

$554

That's not a per theater average. That's the whole fucking thing.

I'd say the Legacy Media has officially done a great job at scaring the ever loving shit out of everyone at this point.

Per theater average for last night was $3.

Joker never once dipped below $2,100 total in a night during its entire 23 Week run, and the lowest per theater average was $21.

I'm not even going to give the movie any more shit at this point.

On the contrary... I salute the brave young Jedi Knights who are saying Fuck The System and going out and seeing the movie despite all the warnings against it.

All 80 or so of them in the entire freakin' country.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

SECOND

Friday, March 20, 2020 9:40 AM

Rather than compare Star Wars to Joker, compare Star Wars to Frozen II:

Worldwide Box Office $1,449,782,504
Production Budget: $150,000,000 (worldwide box office is 9.7 times production budget)

Frozen II far out performed Star Wars.

I'll spoil Frozen II: the big difference in the two Frozen movies is that Princess Elsa is frozen in Frozen, while Princess Anna is frozen into an ice sculpture in Frozen II. Switching frozen Princesses caused the ticket sales to increase! Or maybe it is ticket price inflation.

$1,449,782,504
$1,280,802,282
------------------
$168,980,222 (difference)

www.the-numbers.com/movie/Frozen-II-(2019)#tab=summary
www.the-numbers.com/movie/Frozen-(2013)#tab=summary

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

6IXSTRINGJACK

Friday, March 20, 2020 9:53 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Rather than compare Star Wars to Joker, compare Star Wars to Frozen II:

Worldwide Box Office $1,449,782,504
Production Budget: $150,000,000 (worldwide box office is 9.7 times production budget)

Frozen II far out performed Star Wars.

I'll spoil Frozen II: the big difference in the two Frozen movies is that Princess Elsa is frozen in Frozen, while Princess Anna is frozen into an ice sculpture in Frozen II. Switching frozen Princesses caused the ticket sales to increase! Or maybe it is ticket price inflation.

$1,449,782,504
$1,280,802,282
------------------
$168,980,222 (difference)

www.the-numbers.com/movie/Frozen-II-(2019)#tab=summary
www.the-numbers.com/movie/Frozen-(2013)#tab=summary

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

It's mostly inflation...

Frozen Domestic Box Office: $400,738,009
Frozen Domestic Box Office (adj for inflation): $448,472,628

=

11.9116774371158% inflation

Frozen Worldwide Box Office: $1,268,746,174

X

1.119116774371158

=

Frozen Worldwide Box Office (adj for inflation): $1,419,875,126
Frozen II Current Worldwide Box Office: $1,449,782,504

Difference: $29,907,378

So... outside of the inflation making that a really close race, I'm going to go ahead and blame the rest of it on the difference in the Consumer Confidence Index for the respective years of release.

https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/consumer-confidence

Do Right, Be Right. :)

6IXSTRINGJACK

Friday, March 20, 2020 9:57 AM

Quote:
What is the story for Frozen III? Princesses Elsa and Anna are both frozen into ice sculptures! With two frozen Princesses it will make twice as much money.

I saw you added this while I was replying.

Funny.

I think we both agree that Disney sucks.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

SECOND

Friday, March 20, 2020 9:57 AM

You know what Frozen III needs for a story? I do:

Princesses Elsa and Anna are both frozen into ice sculptures!

With two frozen Princesses it will make twice as much money as either of the previous movies.

For Frozen IV, Disney freezes a Prince. It will be as great as any Star Wars Trilogy.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

6IXSTRINGJACK

Friday, March 20, 2020 10:06 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
You know what Frozen III needs for a story? I do:

Princesses Elsa and Anna are both frozen into ice sculptures!

With two frozen Princesses it will make twice as much money as either of the previous movies.

For Frozen IV, Disney freezes a Prince. It will be as great as any Star Wars Trilogy.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

Nah...

Frozen IV needs to replace every white character with a different minority like they did in the Broadway production that confused the hell out of all but the most extreme woke people who watched it.

It's a small world after all. It makes complete sense that Asian sisters were born from a black father and a Hispanic mother in Disneyland!

Oh. And there is no prince either. Just princesses marrying princesses and they'll have a baby together anyway without sperm because Fuck You, We're Disney, that's why.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

SECOND

Friday, March 20, 2020 10:10 AM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

I think we both agree that Disney sucks.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

You know how Disney reboots Frozen? Live action version. Disney did it for Beauty and the Beast. It will work for Frozen.

$440,118,382 Beauty and the Beast (1991) www.boxofficemojo.com/title/tt0101414/
$1,263,521,126 Beauty and the Beast (2017) www.boxofficemojo.com/title/tt2771200/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

6IXSTRINGJACK

Friday, March 20, 2020 10:18 AM

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Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

I think we both agree that Disney sucks.

Do Right, Be Right. :)
You know how Disney reboots Frozen? Live action version. Disney did it for Beauty and the Beast. It will work for Frozen.

$440,118,382 Beauty and the Beast (1991) www.boxofficemojo.com/title/tt0101414/
$1,263,521,126 Beauty and the Beast (2017) www.boxofficemojo.com/title/tt2771200/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

Boring!

My idea is better. Disney likes woke and broke.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

6IXSTRINGJACK

Friday, March 20, 2020 11:13 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

I think we both agree that Disney sucks.

Do Right, Be Right. :)
You know how Disney reboots Frozen? Live action version. Disney did it for Beauty and the Beast. It will work for Frozen.

$440,118,382 Beauty and the Beast (1991) www.boxofficemojo.com/title/tt0101414/
$1,263,521,126 Beauty and the Beast (2017) www.boxofficemojo.com/title/tt2771200/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

Oh... and about Beauty and the Beast...

Beauty and the Beast (1991): $438,707,031
Beauty and the Beast (2017): $1,263,521,126

Beauty and the Beast (1991) (Domestic): $206,333,165
Beauty and the beast (1991) (Domestic adj for inflation): $387,837,197

Inflation: 87.9664846899431%

Beauty and the Beast (1991) (Worldwide adj for inflation): $824,622,184
Beauty and the Beast (2017): $1,263,521,126

Difference: $438,898,942

Two other explanations as follows:

IN THE US:

Consumer Confidence on release dates of both movies:

https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/consumer-confidence

(I can't link the compare, but I can link the picture of it. Put in the release dates of November 15, 1991 for the beginning and March 17, 2017 for the end date).

INTERNATIONALLY:

Also, I'm having trouble finding data on when exactly it was that we began allowing China to license and show Hollywood flicks, but I'm confident that wasn't happening in 1991.

The "International" tab on thenumbers.com only even bothers showing Australia and South Korea on the "Top 10 Territories" and throws the rest of the money in "Rest of World", so the data is spotty at best.

It's extremely likely that China is far from the only country that screens US releases today that did not (legally) do it in 1991 as well.

Knowing the Chinese like we do in 2020, they were no doubt showing this along with every other US produced movie in theaters back then and not paying any money for licensing fees and reaping 100% of the profits off of them. Who knows how much bootleg money was spent to go see Beauty and the Beast in China in 1991?

Do Right, Be Right. :)