STAR WARS Episode 9: The Final Abortion
POSTED BY: whozit
UPDATED: Wednesday, February 26, 2025 15:30
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Quote:May I quote you back to yourself? The first thing you wrote on this thread:
Originally posted by whozit:
Her family would not allow a CGI of her for Ep. 9, plus using a CGI Fisher so soon after her death would have been a disaster.
Quote:It sounds like Disney created a disaster by waiting 8 months after Princess Leia died to finally decide it would throw away a perfect screenplay that just so happened to need Princess Leia for a few critical scenes, and then Disney rushed to write a crappy script to replace what was foolishly thrown away. What Disney should have done is offer the Princess's survivors $10 million to allow her likeness or else Disney should have recast the role of Princess Leia. Billie Catherine Lourd, Carrie Fisher's daughter and only child, would have been perfect as the recast Princess Leia.
https://variety.com/2019/film/news/game-of-thrones-creators-star-wars-
trilogy-exit-12033865901/
The guys who screwed up the final season of Game of Thrones are out at Lucasfilm, good. The bad news is STAR WARS will now likely go the way of Buck Rogers and Flash Gordon. The fandom just wants Jar Jar Abrams to drag episode 9 across the finish line so we can then forget about the last three films and pretend they never happed.
As a bonus, Disney would not need to order Carrie Fisher to lose 35 to 45 pounds before filming begins. Instead, Disney could have put some weight on Billie Lourd by padding her costume and gave her a gray wig to wear. Look at pictures of Billie and Carrie in their Star Wars costumes: www.google.com/search?q=carrie+fisher+daughter
Billie could easily pass as Carrie with a little aging makeup. Using the daughter as the Princess would have given the movie more resonance about the passing of time and the inevitability of death for Jedi at War.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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It wasn't just Princess Leia/Carrie Fisher that was responsible for the script change.
Rian Johnson was fired, and they didn't want his woke shit that completely derailed Jar Jar's first movie.
There was zero plan going into this, and the movies reflect that perfectly. If they're saying anything to the contrary now, it's damage control and lies. Everybody involved should be fired.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Quote:You are mixing Rian Johnson Star Wars 8 director with Colin Trevorrow Star Wars 9 director. If you read the unproduced Star Wars 9 script, you will see on the first page that Trevorrow wrote "Duel of the Fates". I'd bet that the Colin Trevorrow leaked his own script so you could compare it to the hastily written J.J. Abrams script.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
It wasn't just Princess Leia/Carrie Fisher that was responsible for the script change.
Rian Johnson was fired, and they didn't want his woke shit that completely derailed Jar Jar's first movie.
There was zero plan going into this, and the movies reflect that perfectly. If they're saying anything to the contrary now, it's damage control and lies. Everybody involved should be fired.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
There was a eight month long argument, starting the day Carrie Fisher died, between Trevorrow and Disney about who, and how, to replace Carrie. That story will never be known. We will never get the details, no more than we will ever get the details of why FOX put Firefly in the Friday Night Death Slot. That slot is only for soon to be cancelled shows in their second season.
There was probably a faction at Disney that sided with Trevorrow, but eventually Disney weighted how much money it would cost. The most money won and Trevorrow was fired 8 months after Carrie died.
Then Disney brings in J.J. Abrams to write a sloppy, stupid script without using Princess Leia. Except the Princess was still in that sloppy, stupid script. Abrams used outtakes from Star Wars 8 for the Princess in 9. That was a cheap and foolish decision. Disney should have recast the Princess, kept Trevorrow as director, and made a perfect movie called "Duel of the Fates" instead of that idiotic, half-ass "The Rise of Skywalker". (Bringing back the Emperor, dead for 40 years, was a ridiculous storytelling decision. In the first 5 minutes of "The Rise of Skywalker" the Emperor was about to be killed, again. I was thinking Kylo Ren has just murdered 50 people in order to get to the Emperor and then he lets the Emperor live? That is stupid.)
Star Wars Episode IX Duel of the Fates.pdf (Size: 740 KB)
www.mediafire.com/file/qqz16qtvvwvv86t/Star_Wars_Episode_IX_Duel_of_th
e_Fates.pdf/file
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Originally posted by second:Quote:May I quote you back to yourself? The first thing you wrote on this thread:
Originally posted by whozit:
Her family would not allow a CGI of her for Ep. 9, plus using a CGI Fisher so soon after her death would have been a disaster.Quote:It sounds like Disney created a disaster by waiting 8 months after Princess Leia died to finally decide it would throw away a perfect screenplay that just so happened to need Princess Leia for a few critical scenes, and then Disney rushed to write a crappy script to replace what was foolishly thrown away. What Disney should have done is offer the Princess's survivors $10 million to allow her likeness or else Disney should have recast the role of Princess Leia. Billie Catherine Lourd, Carrie Fisher's daughter and only child, would have been perfect as the recast Princess Leia.
https://variety.com/2019/film/news/game-of-thrones-creators-star-wars-
trilogy-exit-12033865901/
The guys who screwed up the final season of Game of Thrones are out at Lucasfilm, good. The bad news is STAR WARS will now likely go the way of Buck Rogers and Flash Gordon. The fandom just wants Jar Jar Abrams to drag episode 9 across the finish line so we can then forget about the last three films and pretend they never happed.
As a bonus, Disney would not need to order Carrie Fisher to lose 35 to 45 pounds before filming begins. Instead, Disney could have put some weight on Billie Lourd by padding her costume and gave her a gray wig to wear. Look at pictures of Billie and Carrie in their Star Wars costumes: www.google.com/search?q=carrie+fisher+daughter
Billie could easily pass as Carrie with a little aging makeup. Using the daughter as the Princess would have given the movie more resonance about the passing of time and the inevitability of death for Jedi at War.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
I stand by what I wrote, Disney just wanted Jar Jar to drag that P.O.S. across the finish line. Disney and Lucasfilm knew ep 9 was an awful flick, that's why they did all those reshoots last summer. Disney and Lucasfilm doesn't care about the Fandom, we know this by the way they treated fans after their negative reaction to ep.8.
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Quote:Lucasfilm can't tell the difference between a good and bad script. If you give them two Star Wars scripts: "Duel of the Fates" (2019) and "The Rise of Skywalker" (2019) most people at Lucasfilm and Disney could not tell which one should be made. Even George Lucas could not see the difference when it is only words on paper, e.g. "A New Hope" (1977) and "The Phantom Menace" (1999). That's how most bad movies get made. Hollywood thinks the script is great, but Hollywood can't recognize badness on paper . . . Then Hollywood reshoots to salvage what they can from a bad script.
Originally posted by whozit:
I stand by what I wrote, Disney just wanted Jar Jar to drag that P.O.S. across the finish line. Disney and Lucasfilm knew ep 9 was an awful flick, that's why they did all those reshoots last summer. Disney and Lucasfilm doesn't care about the Fandom, we know this by the way they treated fans after their negative reaction to ep.8.
If Hollywood could recognize a bad script, it would throw half the scripts it makes into the trash. It would have made "Duel of the Fates" and trashed "The Rise of Skywalker".
"Do Hollywood movies make a profit?"
https://stephenfollows.com/hollywood-movies-make-a-profit/
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Sounds like they're all a bunch of highly overpaid shills gambling with money that isn't theirs.
Or you have no clue what you're talking about.
A little of column A, a little of column B.
At the end of the day, Rise of Skywalker wasn't the problem. The Last Jedi was.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Quote:Did you see Lady and the Tramp (2019)? At the script stage, Disney would have realized this was a losing idea, if anybody at Disney could visualize what would happen when the words on paper are filmed. Once it was done, when it didn't require somebody with imagination to see what an atrocity the script was, Disney sent it directly to video.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Sounds like they're all a bunch of highly overpaid shills gambling with money that isn't theirs.
Or you have no clue what you're talking about.
A little of column A, a little of column B.
At the end of the day, Rise of Skywalker wasn't the problem. The Last Jedi was.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
www.metacritic.com/movie/lady-and-the-tramp-2019
The original Lady and the Tramp (1955) cost $4,000,000 and was re-released in 1980, 1986, 2005. Disney believed that the new movie could be as popular as the old movie. They were so very wrong and mostly because the new script stunk and nobody has a nose at Disney.
www.boxofficemojo.com/title/tt0048280/
Disney remade Beauty and the Beast (2017), but they left the story as it was in the original, instead of trying a new script. The result was $1,263,521,126. That's $1.26 Billion with a B. Better than The Rise of Skywalker because the script for Beauty and the Beast 2017 was just as good as the one in 1991 because it was the SAME old shit repackaged.
www.boxofficemojo.com/title/tt2771200/
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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You're missing the point.
A lot of people didn't bother seeing Rise of Skywalker because of how bad The Last Jedi was, and how bad and woke Solo was.
This was even more true in places like China than it was here in the states where it had a huge impact.
One thing that is abundantly clear is putting a "progressive" agenda in movies is a surefire way to lose money.
Their jobs might be a little bit easier when gambling with other people's money if they finally start learning that lesson.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Quote:The real point is that Star Wars is a fairy tale, something that Hans Christian Andersen would write, and an adventure story, something that Edgar Rice Burroughs would write, and most Hollywood writers can not write either and won't admit they can't. There are even fewer writers who can melt the two kinds, fairy tale and adventure story, into one story. Jon Favreau can. You can see his work on The Mandalorian. Or you can see Star Wars movies written by people who should not be writing Star Wars.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
You're missing the point.
A lot of people didn't bother seeing Rise of Skywalker because of how bad The Last Jedi was, and how bad and woke Solo was.
This was even more true in places like China than it was here in the states where it had a huge impact.
One thing that is abundantly clear is putting a "progressive" agenda in movies is a surefire way to lose money.
Their jobs might be a little bit easier when gambling with other people's money if they finally start learning that lesson.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
www.imdb.com/title/tt8111088/
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Quote:
Originally posted by second:Quote:The real point is that Star Wars is a fairy tale, something that Hans Christian Andersen would write, and an adventure story, something that Edgar Rice Burroughs would write, and most Hollywood writers can not write either and won't admit they can't. There are even fewer writers who can melt the two kinds, fairy tale and adventure story, into one story. Jon Favreau can. You can see his work on The Mandalorian. Or you can see Star Wars movies written by people who should not be writing Star Wars.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
You're missing the point.
A lot of people didn't bother seeing Rise of Skywalker because of how bad The Last Jedi was, and how bad and woke Solo was.
This was even more true in places like China than it was here in the states where it had a huge impact.
One thing that is abundantly clear is putting a "progressive" agenda in movies is a surefire way to lose money.
Their jobs might be a little bit easier when gambling with other people's money if they finally start learning that lesson.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
www.imdb.com/title/tt8111088/
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
No. That's not the real point.
The REAL point is that the original trilogy is timeless.
When you put agendas in movies, they're outdated even faster than your smartphone is.
When they're progressive agendas that nobody outside of Hollywood is on board with, they are flops before they even get released.
It took a while for Hollywood to burn all of the goodwill that the Star Wars name used to have, but they finally did it.
Had these shit movies been part of another property or a new property entirely, they never would have made a second movie.
Rise of Skywalker wasn't the problem. It was simply a cowardly half-measure that tried to bring back old fans and please the woke idiots at the same time. You can't do both. So it failed with everyone.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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