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6ixStringJack: Its a shame that people judged you like that when your mom was passing. Everybody has their opinions and most people cant keep them to themselves. I haven't seen my mom or step-dad for probably over 5 years at this point. Not since they moved to Florida. We talk on the phone maybe 3 times a year now. There's probably a good chance that I never see them again, so I'm not really worried about it. I hope it's quick when it happens though. I don't want her to suffer. - http://www.fireflyfans.net 06.17 12:30 |
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| 6ixStringJack: Had my grandma's kids known that it was a murder drug, I don't think they would have been so quick to give it to her. That's not how it was sold to them by the lying doctors. There were plenty of lesser drugs in that kit like codine and similar stuff, but we jumped straight to the murder drug because that's what the doctors and the hospice nurse told them to do. - http://www.fireflyfans.net 06.17 12:27 | |||||||||
| Brenda: No, I don't. Unless I get asked a question by a medical person. Like my first mammogram. They need to know if anyone directly related to you had cancer, specifically breast. The only one that had that was my dad's oldest sister and that didn't count. I'm doing that sort of right now. A friend's mum is in a care home and not doing too well. I am just dreading the day when I get the news that she has gone. I love that lady. - http://www.fireflyfans.net 06.17 09:27 | |||||||||
| Brenda: It was something like that for lung cancer and her second round with the disease. My mum's first cancer diagnosis was colon cancer. She went in and had the surgery and then the chemo after. She asked the surgeon if it came back where would it. He said either liver or lungs. It was lungs. - http://www.fireflyfans.net 06.17 09:23 | |||||||||
| Brenda: My relationship with my mum had its ups and downs. Especially when I was teenager which was just a few years after my dad died. And it was like that at the end. My mum was an only child and her parents had been dead for years. I never knew them. Or my dad's parents. I hope things go smooth when your mom's time comes. - http://www.fireflyfans.net 06.17 09:21 | |||||||||
| Brenda: Ah, well cancer does the opposite to people. It eats up the healthy cells to make more of itself. So when ladies my mum knew noticed she was loosing weight, they would give me dirty looks as if I wasn't looking after my mum. They knew she had cancer and I am sure they knew what it does to the body. Oh, I know how hard that type of thing can be. I was spared that but helping her in and out of the bathtub. Injecting her with blood thinners. That job I didn't want but the nurses said I had to learn because she needed it when they weren't there. - http://www.fireflyfans.net 06.17 09:18 | |||||||||
| Brenda: No. That was wrong. Her family should have fought harder to keep the morphine away from her. - http://www.fireflyfans.net 06.17 09:13 | |||||||||
| Brenda: Never heard of that way of giving morphine but that doesn't matter. My mum was eating and drinking till almost the end of her life as well. - http://www.fireflyfans.net 06.17 09:12 | |||||||||
| 6ixStringJack: I hope that 17 years on you don't think about it too much anymore. It's only been 2 and I know I think about it way more than I should, but I don't think about it as much as I used to. It was just made worse with my friend's Dad dying 6 months later, and he was the most positive person I had in my life. 2 very important people died that year and I just haven't been doing what I need to do ever since. Kinda buried myself in projects and keeping my mind as busy as I can. - http://www.fireflyfans.net 06.17 07:17 | |||||||||
| 6ixStringJack: Sounds like you mom and my grams basically had the same diagnosis. That was the 6-months-to-a-year diagnosis. Outside of a hip surgery and glacoma surgery a few years prior, she was never in the hospital for anything and rarely ever got sick. She quit smoking in her early 40's and all of the sudden she got sick and it was stage 4 lung cancer. - http://www.fireflyfans.net 06.17 07:13 | |||||||||
| 6ixStringJack: My dad and uncle didn't do anything. Then again, they had just around the same relationship with their mom as I do with my own, so I can't judge. I did things for my grandma that I would never do for my own mom. Fortunately, my step-dad's kids and my brother's wife are rich, so I think she's going to have a pretty nice time of things in her last few months when that time comes without me needing to be involved. My old man is rather well set up too, so I should be good there. - http://www.fireflyfans.net 06.17 07:11 | |||||||||
| 6ixStringJack: My grams was pretty overweight by the end. My aunt took a few weeks off of work and was ready to take a leave of absense, and I was there every night with her. If you had asked me only 1 week before that I would never be caught dead wiping anybody else's butt or even helping out with that process, but it's amazing what you do in the moment for the ones you love. It was a rough week without much sleep for sure. - http://www.fireflyfans.net 06.17 07:09 | |||||||||
| 6ixStringJack: Once she was drugged there were only 3 states. Deep sleep, la-la-land where she was talking to my grandpa, or wheezing and whining for water because she couldn't even sit up and drink a glass on her own anymore. - http://www.fireflyfans.net 06.17 07:06 | |||||||||
| 6ixStringJack: The morphine stuff she was given was from a bottle with a dropper. Might as well have been a bottle of cyanide with a skull and crossbones on it. It came with a kit of drugs the hospice nurse brought with her. She wasn't on an IV when she got home because she could still eat and drink. At least she could until they drugged her up. At that point we couldn't even get her to drink water anymore and my aunt had to constantly sponge her lips with water. - http://www.fireflyfans.net 06.17 07:05 | |||||||||
| Brenda: Thanks. My mum's been gone since 2008. It was. She went into the hospital and like I said the hospital called me around midnight to say she was gone. Blair called me after midnight and mentioned for me to check on her in the morning and I had to tell him that she was gone. - http://www.fireflyfans.net 06.16 23:42 | |||||||||
| Brenda: A friend of my mum's went into a long term care home or hospice, I guess. But she was well looked after. She had a bad stroke which is what took her in the end. - http://www.fireflyfans.net 06.16 23:40 | |||||||||
| Brenda: I understand. When the ambulance came to get my mum and take her to the hospital, I couldn't go with her. I had to stop and take my meds and make let the support worker who had just arrived to leave and what happened. When I did get to the hospital my mum was practically gone. The nurse told her I was there but she barely acknowledged that. They had taken an x-ray of her lungs and they were filled with tumours. I didn't stay long as I couldn't watch her die. The nurses looked at me blankly, not understanding that in that last 6 months, I could have found her dead at any time. - http://www.fireflyfans.net 06.16 23:36 | |||||||||
| Brenda: I am so sorry that you went through seeing your grandmother like that. :( - http://www.fireflyfans.net 06.16 23:32 | |||||||||
| Brenda: Yeah, as I said my brother was useless. And my mum had no family left. So I was doing everything. No being a sole or almost sole caregiver to someone very sick is no fun. - http://www.fireflyfans.net 06.16 23:30 | |||||||||
| Brenda: I understand. Maybe I was lucky in that. I was my mum's main caregiver as my brother was useless and she also could give her wishes. - http://www.fireflyfans.net 06.16 23:28 | |||||||||
| Brenda: I don't blame you for leaving as a argument would have stressed your grandmother out. If she had an IV in her arm, then that is where the nurses would have injected it. IV's can have a secondary injection port on them for other meds. - http://www.fireflyfans.net 06.16 23:27 | |||||||||
| 6ixStringJack: Sorry to hear about how your mom went too, Brenda. :( At least it was fast after the accident. - http://www.fireflyfans.net 06.16 10:46 | |||||||||
| 6ixStringJack: I don't think my family could have sued hospice. They signed a bunch of papers that I'm sure waived any legal rights. And all 3 of them were fully on board with the morphine. But living through that experience makes me wonder just how many people are mercy killed (murdered) by morphine while in hospice. I certainly understand the push for that from a financial standpoint. She was gone within a week. My friend's father-in-law survived over 2 years on hopsice. I can't even imagine the cost to the taxpayer for all that service compared to what my grandma got. I think this is something that is quite common, but nobody wants to talk about it when they live through it. - http://www.fireflyfans.net 06.16 10:42 | |||||||||
| 6ixStringJack: After I calmed her down, I said my goodbyes because a friend needed my help with some work that day and I needed to not be there when the hospice nurse came in. About 5 hours later I got a call from my dad that she was dead. - http://www.fireflyfans.net 06.16 10:38 | |||||||||
| 6ixStringJack: It just breaks my heart that the last time I saw her was going back to her bed and giving her a hug and kiss and wishing her happy birthday when I left the hospital early, and by the time I'd gotten there the next evening with Gone With the Wind and the first episode of Masterpiece Theater called Cold Open Farm that we had always talked about watching, it was clear that she was in no state to pay attention to anything on TV. She was already gone. The last time I got to talk to the "real" her, it was the terrified state she was in when the drugs wore off. :( - http://www.fireflyfans.net 06.16 10:36 | |||||||||
| 6ixStringJack: And honestly, at the end of the day, I think all 3 of them wanted it to end. They didn't want to have to deal with her for another 6 months if she wasn't able to take care of themselves. I was there every night with my aunt taking care of her and it was not fun. - http://www.fireflyfans.net 06.16 10:34 | |||||||||
| 6ixStringJack: It's kind of come up from time to time since then although nobody wants to talk about it. But I get very much that both of them have completely erased the entire event from their mind at this point, going on 2 years on. Probably not hard for them to do. They're both old now and have plenty of other things to worry and think about. I have a lot of free time, and I've never let it go. - http://www.fireflyfans.net 06.16 10:32 | |||||||||
| 6ixStringJack: I've looked back at that point in time too many times to count and relived it and thought about how I could have done it differently. But the problem was we are all family and I had to keep weighing out protecting her and destroying my relationship with my aunt and my father if I didn't let it go. It was an impossible situation. - http://www.fireflyfans.net 06.16 10:30 | |||||||||
| 6ixStringJack: Yeah. I ended up leaving the hospital early before she got back home because I was going to get thrown out if I didn't. Once the topic of morphine came up and it was apparent that my dad and his siblings were on board with it and talking amongst each other as if my grandma wasn't right there in the flipping room with us. Completely ignoring her wishes and mine and treating her and I like we were children. I don't even know how they dosed her since I know she wouldn't have taken it willingly if she knew what they were giving her. - http://www.fireflyfans.net 06.16 10:29 | |||||||||
| Brenda: No worries Six. I will take a look for them when I am out and about. - http://www.fireflyfans.net 06.16 09:56 | |||||||||
| Brenda: I don't remember the time frame for my mum to live. But she was home till the end. I was so stressed out that the doctor got her fast tracked for hospice and had a DNR order ready for her to sign when she died. She fell out of bed and hit her head one morning and I had to call an ambulance to take her to the local hospital. By midnight of that day she was gone. - http://www.fireflyfans.net 06.16 09:55 | |||||||||
| Brenda: I don't doubt the bizarre things she did when on that stuff. Okay, your family should have sued the hospice. It sounds like you had a good case and I understand how expensive it would have been for your family. But WTH were they doing there? - http://www.fireflyfans.net 06.16 09:52 | |||||||||
| Brenda: You were with her when she was lucid and that is what matters. Cherish THOSE memories of her when she was lucid. They are the most important ones you have. - http://www.fireflyfans.net 06.16 09:50 | |||||||||
| Brenda: I am so sorry about your grandmother Six. That is horrendous. I agreed with my mum and the nurses listened to her and me, thankfully. But the door was left open in case. The in case never arrived for which I am glad. - http://www.fireflyfans.net 06.16 09:48 | |||||||||
| 6ixStringJack: Oh... I thought you said you didn't have carpet. My bad. Those pads should still make it much easier though by distributing the weight of the legs over a much larger surface area. I think you should still be able to manage the move if you can get them underneath. - http://www.fireflyfans.net 06.16 08:42 | |||||||||
| 6ixStringJack: The doctor said she had anywhere from 6 months to 1 year to live. Hospice came and she was dead within 1 week. - http://www.fireflyfans.net 06.16 08:42 | |||||||||
| 6ixStringJack: The doctor said she had anywhere from 6 months to 1 year to live. Hospice came and she was dead within 1 week. - http://www.fireflyfans.net 06.16 08:42 | |||||||||
| 6ixStringJack: She was in fucking la-la land on that shit, having conversations with my grandpa who died 40 years ago. Eventually, because of the drugs, she just stopped even bothering to cough up the phlegm that was building up in her lungs and she drown in her own phlegm. She was murdered by the hospice nurse. - http://www.fireflyfans.net 06.16 08:41 | |||||||||
| 6ixStringJack: One morning in between she woke up after not having had a dose for over 8 hours and it was the first time she was lucid since she got the first dose. She was grabbing onto my arm and saying that she could think clearly and didn't know why she wasn't before and I was fighting back the tears and just trying to keep her calm knowing that another dose was soon on the way and there wasn't anything I could do about it. - http://www.fireflyfans.net 06.16 08:39 | |||||||||
| 6ixStringJack: Uggg... Morphine is no joke. That is what killed my grandma. They say that we don't do euthenasia in America, but that's what I watched that nurse do when she killed my grandma with it. Grandma didn't want it, but, but despite my fighting against it on her behalf, I was overruled by all three of her kids and she was dead less than 2 days later. - http://www.fireflyfans.net 06.16 08:37 | |||||||||
| Brenda: There is carpeting in the bedroom, hence the problem of me moving it to where it needs to go. But I will look for those things anyways. Can't hurt. - http://www.fireflyfans.net 06.16 05:52 | |||||||||
| Brenda: I know vicadin is strong and they prescribe stronger stuff now. The strongest thing you could get off the shelf when I was a kid was Drisdan. My dad used to take that for pain. He could use regular asprin and my mum did. When I had summer cold as a kid it turned into pneumonia. I was in the hospital for a bit. The nurses started with baby asprinins but that didn't take my temperature down. Being at a loss they started sticking me in cold baths, then switched to adult asprin. That worked. The doctor recommended morphine to my mum at the end of her life for pain. She wouldn't take it. Said she wasn't having in pain with lung cancer and just no. - http://www.fireflyfans.net 06.16 05:51 | |||||||||
| 6ixStringJack: Yeah. Those pads ought to help. I think because you're on a tiled floor and not a carpeted floor you shouldn't have any issues getting it back where it belongs on your own. Don't know if that would have been enough to help you if you were on carpet though. - http://www.fireflyfans.net 06.16 01:38 | |||||||||
| 6ixStringJack: Better to stay away from stuff like Codeine even, and even though that an vicadin were the powerful stuff when I was in my early 20's it's kid pills compared to the addictive stuff they prescribe for pain today. - http://www.fireflyfans.net 06.16 01:37 | |||||||||
| THG: Leverage - http://www.fireflyfans.net 06.16 01:04 | |||||||||
| Brenda: Yeah, there is a Walmart by me. I will take a look for them and I should be able to do that on my own. - http://www.fireflyfans.net 06.15 23:20 | |||||||||
| Brenda: As close as I've come to something heavy was years ago when I had a bad cough that just wasn't going away. Told my doctor at the time what I had been using and she prescribed a cough medicine with codeine in it. Only thing I discovered about that it didn't work for me. Cough went away. But I can't use codeine, doesn't do anything for me. I still feel like crap. Doc called it some sort allergy. My brother's the same. - http://www.fireflyfans.net 06.15 23:18 | |||||||||
| Brenda: Been there and done that with sleeping on the neck wrong. Got a case of that happening now. - http://www.fireflyfans.net 06.15 23:15 | |||||||||
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| 6ixStringJack: I think you could probably do that and use your foot to kick them in place under the legs. At 3.5x6" long, you'd have a lot of room for error and I think you could probably manage just a minor lift at each corner and kick it under them. - http://www.fireflyfans.net 06.15 10:34 |
