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KWICKO

Friday, May 15, 2009 12:03 PM

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
Ain't just you, not by a longshot - I am all in favor of cutting foreign aid cause we damn well can't afford it, and some of the OTHER expenses on the budget make me tack spitting pissed, like multimillion dollar funding of foreign militaries.
(yes, I shit you not, there's a budget item for this, look it up)

Fuck that, let em buy their own damn guns and tanks, especially since in many cases like, say... AFGHANISTAN, for example, we've wound up staring down the barrels of weapons initially paid for with US Tax dollars!

Gee, that was a GREAT idea, who's was it, do tell, cause we got an opinion to express!

-F

Hell, you don't even have to look that far. Just look to your immediate south. All those automatic weapons which the Mexican cartels supposedly bought at U.S. gun shows? Yeah, turns out they came from the U.S., all right - the U.S. GOVERNMENT, who gave them to the Federales to fight the War on (some) Drugs. And corrupt Federales then turned around and sold entire shipments to the cartels, to use against us. Just fucking beautiful.

Mike

Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

HERO

Friday, May 15, 2009 12:44 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SignyM:
I suppose our army bases throught the Middle East and Asia don't count as a military empire in support of capitalism? (Just to hammer that nail a little, 'cause it's sticking up)

No, they don't count.

In fact...its kind of silly to compare the US's Ramstein Air Base in Germany...to the German occupation of Poland or France. The US does not seek to administer, control, or enforce its will upon Germany. Germany is not a part of the greater American Reich.

H

"Hero. I have come to respect you"- Chrisisall, 2009.

HERO

Friday, May 15, 2009 12:50 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
...and us, who don't take kindly to having women forced into slavery, treated as cattle...

Except, of course, that that is EXACTLY what conservatives want to do to women, at least as far as reproductive rights go.

Sure...a Constitutional and moral disagreement on the nature of life is certainly in the same catagory as stoning a woman for being raped, learning to read, showing her face, driving a car, talking out of turn, walking in public, having a job, voting, having an opinion, or just for the hell of it.

Lets hear it for feminists everywhere!

H

"Hero. I have come to respect you"- Chrisisall, 2009.

BADKARMA00

Friday, May 15, 2009 12:55 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
Quote:
Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
Ain't just you, not by a longshot - I am all in favor of cutting foreign aid cause we damn well can't afford it, and some of the OTHER expenses on the budget make me tack spitting pissed, like multimillion dollar funding of foreign militaries.
(yes, I shit you not, there's a budget item for this, look it up)

Fuck that, let em buy their own damn guns and tanks, especially since in many cases like, say... AFGHANISTAN, for example, we've wound up staring down the barrels of weapons initially paid for with US Tax dollars!

Gee, that was a GREAT idea, who's was it, do tell, cause we got an opinion to express!

-F

Hell, you don't even have to look that far. Just look to your immediate south. All those automatic weapons which the Mexican cartels supposedly bought at U.S. gun shows? Yeah, turns out they came from the U.S., all right - the U.S. GOVERNMENT, who gave them to the Federales to fight the War on (some) Drugs. And corrupt Federales then turned around and sold entire shipments to the cartels, to use against us. Just fucking beautiful.

Mike

Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

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And that's a sore spot for me too, especially with some in the HObama administration and in the Mexican government as well. There is a myth ( i.e. LIE ) that is being passed of as an established fact that 90% of the weaponry confiscated in Mexico from the cartels are being traced to the US. THis is complete BULL.

In truth, only about 10% of the weapons seized are traceable in any form. Of those 10%, yes, roughly 90% are from the US. THe fact is that most of the cartel weaponry is from all over the world, especially from former Soviet states looking to sell off large armories to raise cash.

I have been told by people working along the border that Czech weapons and ammunition are very common. I don't know that this it true, thus I don't claim it as fact, but I do know that the Czech's are damn good at making weapons and ammunition. By that I mean they're good quality.

HObama's Attorney General seized on this 'fact' to comment that this was a good enough reason to implement stricter gun laws here in the US. At least the HO man had the guts to stand up and say 'no' to that one.

Sorry, this thread really isn't about that, so I should just cut this off. Annyway, I'm in agreement with you two. On this anyway,

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Bad_karma
Great and Exalted Grand Pooba, International Brotherhood of Moonshiners, Rednecks, and Good Old Boys.

KWICKO

Friday, May 15, 2009 1:30 PM

BK, there are usually at least one or two active 2nd-Amendment threads going around here. Look up the HR45 thread for the latest one.

Believe it or not, even some of us "left-wing loonies" are staunch 2A supporters. Hell, I'm a fan of ALL the Amendments in the Bill of Rights, myself.

Mike

Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

KWICKO

Friday, May 15, 2009 1:34 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Hero:
Sure...a Constitutional and moral disagreement on the nature of life is certainly in the same catagory as stoning a woman for being raped, learning to read, showing her face, driving a car, talking out of turn, walking in public, having a job, voting, having an opinion, or just for the hell of it.

Sure, blowing up clinics who offer abortion services or [GASP!] advice on birth control certainly is nothing like Sharia law... except that it IS Sharia law, just in another form.

You're angry because fundamentalist Islam has horned in on your racket and been more successful at it than the conservative movement in the U.S. has been. You're mad because they actually ARE able to keep 'em at home, barefoot and pregnant, while you haven't figured out how to pull that off. Not that it'll stop you from trying, of course...

Mike

Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

BADKARMA00

Friday, May 15, 2009 1:37 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
BK, there are usually at least one or two active 2nd-Amendment threads going around here. Look up the HR45 thread for the latest one.

Believe it or not, even some of us "left-wing loonies" are staunch 2A supporters. Hell, I'm a fan of ALL the Amendments in the Bill of Rights, myself.

Mike

Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

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I hear you. I don't automatically assume that all democrats are liberal, or left wing loonies. As I've said before, I'm a staunch conservative, but I have no more love for the 'right wing loonies' than I do for the left.

And it wasn't really about the 2nd, which is why I added that. It was in response to your comment about where the cartels are getting their guns, etc.

And I know a great many like you, who lean to the left, as I think you said it, and still believe in the 2nd amendment. Like I said, I don't assume that all left leaning people are loonie. Which really helps, since my wife is a liberal, LOL

Bad_karma
Great and Exalted Grand Pooba, International Brotherhood of Moonshiners, Rednecks, and Good Old Boys.

HERO

Friday, May 15, 2009 1:47 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
Sure, blowing up clinics who offer abortion services or [GASP!] advice on birth control certainly is nothing like Sharia law... except that it IS Sharia law, just in another form.

Your point is kinda silly...wait...its hard to hear myself think with the sound of all the exploding abortion clinics.

If its another form...its not Sharia law...hang on...another exploding clinic.

A rose by any other name is still a rose...exploding clinic, that was a big one...but an apple tree is not a rose, even if you call it a rose.

Lets compare the number of women stoned last year to the...damn exploding clinic, aborted fetus all over my suit...number of exploding clinics.

Big one in Cleveland this time, damn, I think a chunk of feminism just landed on my car.

Hey...has anyone considered that maybe its the fetuses that are explosive and not the Christian protestors?

H

"Hero. I have come to respect you"- Chrisisall, 2009.

MAGONSDAUGHTER

Saturday, May 16, 2009 12:41 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Hero:
Sure...a Constitutional and moral disagreement on the nature of life is certainly in the same catagory as stoning a woman for being raped, learning to read, showing her face, driving a car, talking out of turn, walking in public, having a job, voting, having an opinion, or just for the hell of it.

Lets hear it for feminists everywhere!
2009.

Like what happens in Saudi Arabia. Are the invasion forces ready yet, so that the US can once again fearlessly right the evils of this world? Like what happens to a similar extent in Egypt and Morrocco. Oh wait, those countries were so useful when the US was shipping enemy combatants back there for some realy nasty torture.

But they're on our side, right? So all that stuff is okay as long as us and ours are doing it. Bad when our enemies are.

Okkkaaaaaaaayy

MAGONSDAUGHTER

Saturday, May 16, 2009 12:54 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Hero:
Quote:
Originally posted by SignyM:
I suppose our army bases throught the Middle East and Asia don't count as a military empire in support of capitalism? (Just to hammer that nail a little, 'cause it's sticking up)

No, they don't count.

In fact...its kind of silly to compare the US's Ramstein Air Base in Germany...to the German occupation of Poland or France. The US does not seek to administer, control, or enforce its will upon Germany. Germany is not a part of the greater American Reich.

H

"Hero. I have come to respect you"- Chrisisall, 2009.

Doesn't mean that you still don't have an expansionist empire, just because its not as brutal as the Third Reich. Few empires have been as brutal as that one, which surprisingly only lasted a few years anyway. Maybe you should think about the British Empire, which did a whole lot of building, roads and transport,public building, established justice and democratic government systems, education and so on its empire building. Not all aspects of empire is evil, its just that most peoples eventually get sick of being a dominion and second class citizens.

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