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POSTED BY: AURaptor
UPDATED: Friday, May 22, 2009 14:59
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Quote:And you call yourself a lawyer ? Even as pure bullshit, that was pretty lame.
AYour point is kinda silly...wait...its hard to hear myself think with the sound of all the exploding abortion clinics.
If its another form...its not Sharia law...hang on...another exploding clinic.
A rose by any other name is still a rose...exploding clinic, that was a big one...but an apple tree is not a rose, even if you call it a rose.
Lets compare the number of women stoned last year to the...damn exploding clinic, aborted fetus all over my suit...number of exploding clinics.
Big one in Cleveland this time, damn, I think a chunk of feminism just landed on my car.
Hey...has anyone considered that maybe its the fetuses that are explosive and not the Christian protestors?
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Originally posted by Hero:Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
Sure, blowing up clinics who offer abortion services or [GASP!] advice on birth control certainly is nothing like Sharia law... except that it IS Sharia law, just in another form.
Your point is kinda silly...wait...its hard to hear myself think with the sound of all the exploding abortion clinics.
If its another form...its not Sharia law...hang on...another exploding clinic.
A rose by any other name is still a rose...exploding clinic, that was a big one...but an apple tree is not a rose, even if you call it a rose.
Lets compare the number of women stoned last year to the...damn exploding clinic, aborted fetus all over my suit...number of exploding clinics.
Big one in Cleveland this time, damn, I think a chunk of feminism just landed on my car.
Hey...has anyone considered that maybe its the fetuses that are explosive and not the Christian protestors?
H
"Hero. I have come to respect you"- Chrisisall, 2009.
Yeah, my wife can hardly even walk out the door to drive herself to her job without some bunch of Muslim men trying to stone her to death. Happens damn near every day around here...
What was your point again?
Mike
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Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
'They' started it, and 'we' will end it.
They'd argue you started it.
Hell, then blame the French, or the Romans. That's how far back the trumped up grievances of some jihadist go back. 100's of yrs before N.America was even colonized by you infidels.
Their arguments are beyond credulity.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Crusade
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_war
Looks a hell of a lot like a legitimate gripe to me.
Perhaps if we stayed the hell out of their country and quit endlessly fucking with it over the course of a THOUSAND YEARS, maybe they'd not be so pissed off at us.
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Hell, then blame the French, or the Romans. That's how far back the trumped up grievances of some jihadist go back. 100's of yrs before N.America was even colonized by you infidels.
Their arguments are beyond credulity.
It's true the Clash of civilisations in the region goes back to the Hittite and Canaan Empires and earlier, we're talking 3500 BC and earlier. But those are largely different conflicts, stemming from the same cause. The whole area of Mesopotamia and the 'near east' was a major axis of civilisation, it was an important stop on the silk road, and a place where some of the biggest civilisation of the day were thrown together. It's a point in the worlds social geography that's almost unique, a place where most of the worlds various civilisations and cultures are thrown together, those of Africa, the East and the West.
What I find interesting is how quick you are to dismiss any problem they may have with the US. The US and Britain helped overthrow even the democratically elected government of Iran in the 1950's (look up operation Ajax) and replaced it with a Western friendly, but brutal and oppressive Shah. Then when the Iranian's dare overthrow the US's pet dictator so that they can try and govern themselves, the US reacts by supporting another violent dictator (Saddam Hussein) to attack them and brutalise their people. And then you say that Muslims like those living in Iran have no legitimate gripe with the US? That's but one example of the region, there's brutal regimes in Saudi Arabia, propped up by US money and troops, rightly or wrongly most of the Palestinian civilians killed in Gaza, are killed by bombs and bullets paid for by US tax dollars. Osama Bin Landen says "the US is going to invade an Oil Rich middle eastern nation", and the US invades Iraq right on cue. No matter why you did it, in the eyes of the people he's preaching too, you've just confirmed his argument. US troops have been stationed in various middle eastern countries for decades, and it's not because you want to keep them safe.
It's truly a sign of efficient propaganda that you can say they have no reason to hate the US. You've been spending the better part of at least the last half century punching them in the face, and now they've struck back and you're here whining "what did you do that for, we haven't done anything to you!"
This one sided view, only ever seeing what they do to you, and never stopping to consider what you've done to them, is nationalism, nationalism that led Europe into the First and Second World Wars, and promises to do just as much damage to the US, if not worse, if you don't start thinking about letting it go. While you and them are both concentrating so hard on what they did to you, and ignoring what you did to them, all that you can expect in the region is more of the same. Frankly the "War on Terror", especially the way the US has thus far chosen to propagate it, is a bigger help to the terrorists than any state supplying them with arms. Terrorism is an ideology, ideologies aren't destroyed by bombs, and this particular ideology is strengthened by them. The more of them you kill, the more of them you create.
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You're giving credence to the notion that, what happened during the first crusade is in any way a justification for 9/11 ?
There's a loss of connect here, on so MANY levels.
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Doesn't mean that you still don't have an expansionist empire, just because its not as brutal as the Third Reich. Few empires have been as brutal as that one, which surprisingly only lasted a few years anyway. Maybe you should think about the British Empire, which did a whole lot of building, roads and transport,public building, established justice and democratic government systems, education and so on its empire building. Not all aspects of empire is evil, its just that most peoples eventually get sick of being a dominion and second class citizens.
You'd be better off looking at the Roman empire, which indeed the US government and structure was partly based on. The Roman empire expanded to a great extent, then it's borders became stable, and Roman influence was propagated outside of it's borders largely via client states. I think the Roman Empire with it's Senatorial and Imperial provinces and client states, is a closer historical match to the US, with it's States, territories and satellite states, than Britain that was a colonial trading empire. Rome and the US have conquered territory and then absorbed them, while Britain conquered territory and administered it.
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Rome and the US have conquered territory and then absorbed them , while Britain conquered territory and administered it.
Yeah, that's exactly what's happened. Only, it's not remotely true.
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Yeah, that's exactly what's happened. Only, it's not remotely true.
Except it's completely true, your willfull self delusion not withstanding.
Your lack of knowledge of your own history is truly astounding.
April 25, 1846 to February 2, 1848, the Mexican-American war, added California, Nevada, Utah, Arizona, parts of Colorado and Wyoming, New Mexico and Texas to the US, through military conquest of Mexico. That's ignoring the various wars against the Indian nations that saw America expand westward. I could also mention the war of 1812, that saw America attempt to annex Canada, luckily the Canadians with very limited help from Britain (since it was fighting Napoleon at the time) out fought the US troops. I suppose since you had your collective arses handed to you by Canadians, a people you are generally so derisive of, I can understand why you'd wish to ignore that part of your history. There's also the Spanish-American war of 1898, that saw the annexation of Puerto Rico, the Philippines and Guam, that remain territories and protectorates of the US to this day.
Much of the current US, it's States and it's territories, were incorporated through conflict with Mexico and the American Natives. Your attempt to claim that isn't so simply by ignoring reality is weak, delusional and simply not true.
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
You're giving credence to the notion that, what happened during the first crusade is in any way a justification for 9/11 ?
There's a loss of connect here, on so MANY levels.
The loss of connection here is entirely yours. Time after time you fail to see the interconnectedness of historical events, and seem to live in a world inside your own tiny, feeble mind in which events are completely standalone occurrences.
Pointing out that Western involvement and interference in the region dates all the way back to the Crusades in no way should be construed as implying that that interference ENDED with the Crusades, or that that is the ENTIRE reason some MIddle Eastern nations hold a grudge to this day. They hold a grudge because of a pattern of meddling which has been almost completely uninterrupted for over a thousand years now, and continues unabated to this day.
There is no disconnect here, except for (as usual) your inability to connect the dots and see the bigger picture.
Mike
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Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.
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