450 posts IS a worse crime than wanting to kill us .
POSTED BY: AURaptor
UPDATED: Friday, May 22, 2009 14:59
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If it looks like a duck, acts like a duck, sounds like a duck . . . .
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Mal: Could be bumpy.
Zoë: Always is
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I just realized something
" So, interrogating those who want to kill us is a worse crime than wanting to kill us ?
:AURAPTOR "
We are not debating whether or not a crime has been committed, Rap already admitted so in the title of the thread...
We are just debating the severity of the crime.
" They don't hate America, they hate Americans " Homer Simpson
Lets party like its 1939
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Originally posted by RIPWash:
If it looks like a duck, acts like a duck, sounds like a duck . . . .
...and says it's a christian...
Mike
Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.
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But if the duck kills a goose just because it's not a duck, then it probably ain't a duck.
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Mal: You think she'll hold together?
Zoë: She's torn up plenty, but she'll fly true.
Mal: Could be bumpy.
Zoë: Always is
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I see Mikey has beaten me to the argument I was gonna make.
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There have been terrorist attacks right here in this country by people calling themselves "Christians", and they're carrying out these attacks for religious reasons, and for no other reasons whatsoever.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyler_poison_gas_plot
And believe me, how desperately they buried and soft-peddled that cause the politics and beliefs of the perp were so similar to their own (once you rip the mask off, they ARE) has always disgusted me.
http://www.csmonitor.com/2003/1229/p02s01-usju.html
Now just imagine the howling fit that would have occured if the perp was a muslim and arabic ?
Anyhows, the REASON the folks over in the middle east support those bastards isn't cause they like em, isn't cause they want to - it's because they're the ONLY folks over there with a track record of successfully sandbagging our destructive and rapacious interventions, which if we removed the threat thereof, those assholes would wind up lynched by their own people when those people got sick of em.
(EDIT: And the irony of the fact that we trained and armed many of em in the first place to piss on the Soviets parade isn't lost on me, any more than the likelyhood that the Russians are helping finance and arm them now as payback, while laughing up their sleeve about it.)
But no, we keep that threat pressed against them, so they go with the devil they know, and what they feel is the lesser of two evils - hell, to be blunt about it, it was OUR actions and interference which gave rise to Castro and kept him in power so long.
And given just how FAST we pissed a puddle and started being all diplomatic and such when the North Koreans held up the bomb, versus what we did to Afghanistan and Iraq, which didn't have one, and then *admitted* part of the reason was our fear of Iraq eventually building one - doesn't that constitute an outright admission that the one thing that will keep the US Corpo-Military exploitation machine out of your face is a nuke, and maybe you damn well BETTER get one, and quick, if you wanna protect yourself ?
See, from THEIR viewpoint, WE are the threat, and they have a historically legitimate gripe.
That's not meant as an excuse for these radical fuckwads, mind you, but our very own actions (OPERATION: AJAX) are what put them in power in the first place, and keep them there.
If I was a non-US Country watching the insanity of the past six years, you're damn right I'd want a fucking nuke, if for no other reason than pointing it at Washington would force them to negotiate instead of steamrollering my country on false pretenses and turning it into a fucking corpse filled wasteland.
Most folk just wanna go about their lives unmolested - but if you put them in a position where they can't DO that, they *will* fight you, and if you put them in a position where they think that is NEVER, EVER going to happen thanks to you (See Also: Palestine) that's when they start strapping bombs to themselves to take a few of yours with em when they leave the miserable hell of existence that is all your actions have left to them - and it saddens me that even as they do that, most of the folk they wind up killing have no more influence or input on those decisions than they did.
In short, all you have to do to remove these kinds of threats from the playfield is one tiny little thing...
STOP FUCKING OTHER PEOPLE AND THEIR COUNTRIES OVER!
Is that really too goddamn much to ask, especially when we got our own damn internal problems we could be using those resources on instead ?
You DO shit to people, eventually some of them people or their descendants are gonna DO some shit TO YOU!
We can't bring Mossedeigh back from the dead, can't make The Shah and SAVAK have never happened, but what we CAN do is just stop feeding the fucking horrors, and quit making up bullshit excuses to demonise people who have a VERY legit gripe against us.
I'm sick of this bullshit phony logic which amounts to "Why do they have to keep pounding t
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Quote:Exactly.
we're still in their house, trashing their stuff.
And then we get all paranoid when they "attack" us. (Because we're in their country)
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We should have strapped him into a glider, filled it nose heavy w/ explosives, and dropped his Allah lovin' ass into a large, empty field. After which, release wild boars into the area so they could make good use of his remains. Now THAT's justice.- rappy
Yeah, that's what Sheikh Issa said. Seems you both have a lot in common.- signy
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Quote:Actually, we are. Wanting to kill someone is not a crime. Threatening is a crime. Conspiring is a crime. Getting the materials together is a crime. But "wanting" isn't a even crime!
I just realized something. " So, interrogating those who want to kill us is a worse crime than wanting to kill us ?" We are not debating whether or not a crime has been committed, Rap already admitted so in the title of the thread...
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We should have strapped him into a glider, filled it nose heavy w/ explosives, and dropped his Allah lovin' ass into a large, empty field. After which, release wild boars into the area so they could make good use of his remains. Now THAT's justice.- rappy
Yeah, that's what Sheikh Issa said. Seems you both have a lot in common.- signy
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Originally posted by RIPWash:
Against one nation that attacked us aggressively for no reason and only as the last resort to get them to surrender after years of fighting. If I have my history right, that is.
Mal: You think she'll hold together?
Zoë: She's torn up plenty, but she'll fly true.
Mal: Could be bumpy.
Zoë: Always is
Right. And if a similar scenario presented ie it was considered there might be cause enough, they might be used again. As I'd said.
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Except again, the US has used it, and possibly would again if it were considered to be a viable solution to any given conflict or scenario.
Just curious, do you think slavery will make a comeback in the U.S.?
No idea. Are you trying to say that dropping bombs on Japan was like owning slaves?
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Originally posted by RIPWash:
So you're saying you WOULD trust Ahmedinejad with a nuclear weaon? You would have trusted Hussein with a nuclear weapon? How about Qadaffi (or however the heck you spell his name) in Lybia? The Taliban?
I'm talking about the radical muslims (I know you guys hate that term) who go ballistic whenever Mohamed is besmirched in any way whatsoever and send death threats to all involved in the besmirching. Dutch newspaper prints cartoons of Mohamed in a less than flattering manner and there are riots in the streets. So many death threats to the newspaper that they back down and redact and apologize.
Yeah. I wanna give a volatile group of people like THAT access to a nuclear weapon.
Here's the thing. You want the US to give up our nuclear weapons. Fine, but then we can't realistically STOP a rogue nation from developing it's own nuclear weapon and then . . . Ooops! They're holding the royal flush and we've gotta do as they say. Not particularly a position I wanna be in.
OR! OR! Let's have EVERYONE be able to access a nuclear weapon. That makes things fair, right? Okay. But then don't think that everyone is on an even playing field and NO ONE will ever, EVER use it.
Actually I don't want any of those people to own nuclear weapons. I just question the ethics of a nation that owns WMD that invades another country to prevent them from owning WMD, because by their very nature they are considered evil (a bit like how they are evil because they torture). I'd much rather that there was some honesty in it all, like Hero's post. Admit that the US invaded because it wanted to bring down the regime, wanted to have easier access to oil, wants to remain on top of the pecking order. I'd still hate those reasons, but I wouldn't have to live through the BS of the War on Terror.
Interestingly, since the main threat to the US has come from disparate factions rather than a country, the large nuclear arsenal is all but useless. You could wipe out Pakistan and Afghansistan and it probably wouldn't make an iota of difference.
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