450 posts IS a worse crime than wanting to kill us .
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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Did not know you were illiterate.yourself.
I'm sorry, what was that?
Well, you seem to have gotten it into your head that I'm Muslim, which means that out of the post that you lifted the little bit that led you to that belief, you completely failed to read or comprehend the earlier part, where I wrote, and I quote:
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I have no religious beliefs whatsoever; all of them are equally BS in my world, and all are equally valid.
I can only conclude that literacy isn't your strong suit. If your lips get tired when you're reading, you're doing it wrong.
ETA: Woo-hoo - this thread just reached 300 posts!
Mike
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Originally posted by Kwicko:
I can only conclude that literacy isn't your strong suit. If your lips get tired when you're reading, you're doing it wrong.
What's wrong, don't like it when someone plays your game?
Can you dish it out but not take it?
You are familiar with the winky face icon are you not?
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Originally posted by BigDamnNobody:Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
I can only conclude that literacy isn't your strong suit. If your lips get tired when you're reading, you're doing it wrong.
What's wrong, don't like it when someone plays your game?
Can you dish it out but not take it?
You are familiar with the winky face icon are you not?
Oh, I'd love it if you played my game. Thing is, you showed up unarmed to a battle of wits. You need to step your game up. Is this the best you've got?
Mike
Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.
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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Oh, I'd love it if you played my game. Thing is, you showed up unarmed to a battle of wits. You need to step your game up. Is this the best you've got?
I don't know, why don't you ask Rue.
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Originally posted by BigDamnNobody:
Not at all.
You postulated that because the U.S. used atomic weapons before, they could use them again if it was deemed necessary by the 'powers that be'. The U.S. has a history of slavery, and segregation was still occuring at the same time as WW2. If deemed necessary by the 'powers that be' do you think the U.S. would revert back to segregation or even slavery? Because the precedent was set does that mean the option is always on the table?
I don't think your analogy is a good one. Slavery and segregation have been banned. You still have a stockpile of nuclear weapons. The mind set around use of nuclear weapons hasn't really changed at all. Most people would consider it to have been necessary to drop the bomb to end WW2, and that the US has the right to own, and if necessary use, nuclear weapons in similar circumstances. On the other hand, most people find slavery abhorrent.
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Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
Except that the US has used nuclear weapons and does use its power for its own gain, is currently involved in a number of wars and proxy wars that can pretty much be viewed as being about power and control, and that culturally and economically has dominated (conquered?) the world for the past sixty years.
In that regards, I'm not sure I would describe the US as having restraint.
You are making the mistake of looking at what the United States has done without placing it in a historical context or comparing it to the actions of other nations.
Following WW2 the United States rebuilt its allies and enemies and engaged most of them in economic, social, and military partnerships designed to promote peace, mutual security, and prosperity. The Soviet Union conquered its neighbors, enslaving entire nations behind an "Iron Curtain" ruled with absolute military force and attempted to spread that domination and control through a pattern of global destabilization and outright conquest.
In the years prior to WW2 the United States and Germany were the leading world powers. One conquered, the other liberated (but only after being attacked).
Had the United States acted as other nations have traditionally acted when given the military and economic power we have...then there would be an American Empire spreading beyond the Western Hemisphere (assuming somebody like the United States wasn't out there to stop us).
H
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Originally posted by SignyM:
Well it's very much the same as handguns, except on a grander scale.
The scale makes the all the difference.
H
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Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
No idea. Are you trying to say that dropping bombs on Japan was like owning slaves?
Yes...exactly like that. He's not talking about how just because something that happened in the past does not mean it will happen again...he's talking about exploding slaves.
Exploding slaves were always a threat to southern farmers prior to the Civil War.
H
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Originally posted by RIPWash:
Against one nation that attacked us aggressively for no reason and only as the last resort to get them to surrender after years of fighting. If I have my history right, that is.
Depends what you mean by "no reason". The Japanese had their reasons, when America blocked Japanese access to Oil and other raw materials, war was pretty much inevitable. Arguably the only way Japan had of securing it's interests was to go to war with the US, and the only way it had to secure a victory was with the tactics it used.
Not that any of that excuses the Japanese actions, but it does put the war in the Pacific in a more deterministic and understandable vein, rather than the irrational actions of a crazed war like race
.As for the reasoning for the use of Atomic weapons, I think the issue is muddier than the "it made them surrender earlier so saved lives" spin it's often put in.
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I am pretty sure that Dubya did indeed tell Saddam that "you will do as I say or you will suffer the consequences (i.e., death)." He seems to believe that this was his mission from god.
I think you know that I meant that radical LEADERS say to people of their own country, "Do as I say . . . " I may not have clarified the leader part.
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But then, if someone acts like a terrorist and then claims to be Muslim, don't you have to question THAT, too?
In a sense I suppose so. But when it appears that the MAJORITY of terrorists are of the Muslim faith, claiming their acts to be the will of Allah/Mohamed . . . that leaves little to question.
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Does the reverend Donald Wildmon ring any bells? How 'bout li'l' Timmy McVeigh? Eric Rudolph? David Koresh?
Of these, one is a "fire and brimstone" former teacher whom I don't remember actually harming anyone - just outspoken. Then Timmy McVeigh was raised Catholic but was agnostic at the time of the bombings. Eric Rudolph a white supremecist who claimed that none of his actions were based on his religious beliefs and David "The Wacko in Waco" was a nutjob who claimed to be Jesus, yet had sex with many women in his cult including pre-teen girls. That automatically, in MY book, makes him a NON-Christian because his actions did not match his supposed belief system.
The one that Frem noted? No mention of religious belief of the accused. Just that he was a white supremacist which doesn't mean a thing in my book in terms of faith. If they claim to be Biblically based, they're dead wrong.
What I'm lookin' for, Kwickster, is proof claim that there are Christian Terrorist here in America. People who wantonly kill people in the name of Jesus Christ.
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