'Kyle did nothing wrong'? or the crimes of the Kenosha Shooter
POSTED BY: JAYNEZTOWN
UPDATED: Wednesday, September 18, 2024 14:44
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What the fuck was this kid doing walking around with that gun...but anyways
These viral riot events are happening every week now.
It's almost like a re-run of the head-kick event or soccer kick on the guy, but this time its a teenager kid surrounded and the kid had a gun to defend?
Catching up to this one on the feeds, there was a riot, a fight, bullets went flying as shots ring out and now some people are dead or injured. Did a mob provoke him with violence or was this dumb kid simply wrong, I see vids and film, some on twitter some on the chans some on liveleak and other places
A young teen kid and a nasty series of shootings, which may or may not be self defense but some people were killed
In one vid I see Some 17 yr old kid wants to get to his place, early film you see he hangs out with a weird mix of BLM, Conservative, Antifa and Trump supporters, I assume something was happening before all this with people shouting political crap at each other. The dumb kid he has a cream colored cap and blue gloves, he stands out in the footage and carries a long gun, the Jacob Blake or Antia or Floyd BLM riots are going on – Gun-toting Kyle Rittenhouse, is waved through by Cops to go to his 'workplace' maybe?
Another vid clip. Some guy is chasing him with something, a bike lock or a bag or bottle or something, shots ring out and one guy is down, the mob now understand some guy was shot instead of police its mob vs the kid?
A mob then chases him down to grab him, apprehend him or attack him? The kid has a big gun, I dont really know guns but I assume the gun is something like an AR-15 or M16A2. He's suddenly on the ground and while on the ground some black African American dude in a baseball cap drop kicks him, a tall thin guy wearing jeans and a Black top charges with skateboard, the White guy seems to charge him hit him with the skateboard while at the same time a guy wearing 'medic' costume comes up to him and pulls a gun on him
This all happens in almost an instant fractions of a second, shots ring out as the kid is surrounded / attacked ?
The mob scatters, skateboard guy is holding his chest and about to fall down dead, the weird costume 'medic' guy with gun got part of his arm blasted, maybe part of his bicep blow off.
Apparently one of the guys who attacked him may have some history of criminal convictions, burglary, assault, weird pedophile shit that's the rumors in the feeds .... i guess all kinds of people turn up at riots.... at these political events things get 'heated' and of course in the USA there is free speech, if someone physically attacks you then you are allowed defend yourself and in the USA the Second Amendment to the US Constition is often referred to as the right for Americans to bear arms to defend themself using firearms.
After all the madness and bullets
He walks up to Police and surrenders
The dress up Medic guy drops his loaded gun down on the street while some security or maybe police guy comes up to him and tries to put a tourniquet on him, wrapping up that arm with a big chunk missing out of it.
Some news on it.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12537139/lawyer-vigilante-kyle-rittenhou
se-american-fighting-spirit/
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/former-baseball-player-aubrey-
huff-17-year-old-kyle-rittenhouse-a-national-treasure
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8672151/Lawyers-Kyle-Rittenho
use-set-legal-defense-fund-teen-charged-homicide.html
https://heavy.com/news/2020/08/kyle-rittenhouse/
He is charged but will the charges stick?
Gun Sales Soar in Kenosha, Wisconsin in Wake of Jacob Blake Shooting
https://www.tmz.com/2020/08/30/gun-sales-surge-business-owners-citizen
s-kenosha-jacob-blake-shooting-kyle-rittenhouse-riots-looting/
Fundraising initiatives for Kyle Rittenhouse, accused Kenosha shooter, surface online
https://www.foxnews.com/us/fundraising-initiatives-have-surfaced-for-a
lleged-kenosha-shooter
Illinois Juvenile Arrested, Charged with First-Degree Murder for Kenosh
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I'm not sure if you are serious or not.
Plenty of lies posted elsewhere on this board on this topic.
There are no Assault Weapons in WI, not even the ugly mugs of Libtard women.
Until 2017, people needed to be 12 years old to carry a shotgun or rifle in WI, but then Gov Walker signed the Law eliminating the minimum age requirement. Handguns possession is a bit more murky. Cannon are legal in MI, but I don't think so in WI.
The rifle Kyle had was purchased in WI, owned by a WI resident, never left the State on the day of the attacks upon Kyle, and was never subject to IL Laws.
Many IL residents venture to WI to hunt and partake in celebration of 2nd Amendment Rights (which are much curtailed in IL). There is a popular bumper sticker which says "WISCONSIN: Illinois' Largest State Park"
Also, Trump had to call Gov Skeletor Evers and plead him to call out the National Guard (which Evers controls, as Gov) - because Evers didn't want to restore any civilized environment in WI (rioting in both Kenosha and WI, and this weekend in Green Bay)
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Kenosha used to be a nice quiet, safe place.
But now with America-hating Nazi collaborator George Soros' millions funding them, leftist criminals and lunatics are running amok and destroying once-wonderful Kenosha.
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Putin is very happy that his puppet is about to make things even more violent.
Seems our resident racist conspiracy theorists and Russian trolls are, too.
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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
But now with America-hating Nazi collaborator George Soros' millions funding them, leftist criminals and lunatics are running amok and destroying once-wonderful Kenosha.
You're a complete racist loon. None of your debunked lies are close to true, but you aren't smart enough to know that. Racist AND an idiot. The two go hand-in-hand. Fucktard.
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It's all true.
And I'm going to get almost as much pleasure watching whatever is left of your face melt off when Kyle beats the charges after your head explodes when Trump gets 4 more years.
I'm just wondering if your half-brain that you share with Second is going to fracture in a dozen more parts and we can look forward to even more of you in 2021.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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After Kyle was attacked and assaulted repeatedly, Libtards galore made plans to descend upon Kenosha.
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/09/01/ag-barr-intel-suggested-
violent-instigators-from-ca-wa-il-planned-to-attack-kenosha-police/
But lately on Fake News, polls showed that Americans are fed up with rioting, and rightly blame Libtards, so now Dems did an about face and are telling their fellow Libtards to stop rioting or they will lose in Nov.
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
After Kyle was attacked and assaulted repeatedly, Libtards galore made plans to descend upon Kenosha.
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/09/01/ag-barr-intel-suggested-
violent-instigators-from-ca-wa-il-planned-to-attack-kenosha-police/
But lately on Fake News, polls showed that Americans are fed up with rioting, and rightly blame Libtards, so now Dems did an about face and are telling their fellow Libtards to stop rioting or they will lose in Nov.
I've been telling them that since the beginning.
And I'll still say that as much as I think Ted is an idiot, he's the ONLY person on the Left here who has EVER had anything negative to say to Second/Marcos and their behavior.
Cap'n Cuckklefuck pretends that he's not on board with any of this, yet he never once has spoken out against the violence and riots.
We all know that Nilbog is 100% behind the riots and violence.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Gosar says death of protesters ‘100% justified self-defense’
https://www.paysonroundup.com/news/gosar-says-death-of-protesters-100-
justified-self-defense/article_1ec452bf-1e00-5c54-b9f9-24af51369bbd.html
More than 250 arrested in wake of Kenosha riots
https://onenewsnow.com/ap/united-states/more-than-250-arrested-in-wake
-of-kenosha-riots
Rep. Thomas Massie says Kyle Rittenhouse 'responded in self-defense' and 'I would not convict'
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/rep-massie-says-kyle-rittenhou
se-responded-in-self-defense-and-i-would-not-convict
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Kyle ain't even getting a slap on the wrist for this.
That's fair warning to any other would-be murderers out there.
You get what you fucking deserve.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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As of 4 Sept, the prior 2 weeks had 250 arrests of Kenosha rioters. 132 were not local residents.
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News just said that the National Guard troops from 4 states deployed to Kenosha are now departing. Guess it is time for rioters to return.
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https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/30/us/breonna-taylor-officer-retire-fundra
iser-trnd/index.html
GiveSendGo currently hosts fundraisers for two other accused gunmen: Kyle Rittenhouse, the 17-year-old charged with first-degree murder for allegedly shooting and killing two people in Kenosha, Wisconsin, during protests against the police shooting of Jacob Blake; and Rusten Sheskey, the Kenosha officer who shot Jacob Blake. The campaigns have raised over $500,000 and $30,000 respectively.
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Quote:Idiots and their money are soon parted.
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/30/us/breonna-taylor-officer-retire-fundra
iser-trnd/index.html
GiveSendGo currently hosts fundraisers for two other accused gunmen: Kyle Rittenhouse, the 17-year-old charged with first-degree murder for allegedly shooting and killing two people in Kenosha, Wisconsin, during protests against the police shooting of Jacob Blake; and Rusten Sheskey, the Kenosha officer who shot Jacob Blake. The campaigns have raised over $500,000 and $30,000 respectively.
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Quote:But he will in Wisconsin.
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
https://www.npr.org/sections/live-updates-protests-for-racial-justice/
2020/10/14/923643265/kyle-rittenhouse-accused-kenosha-killer-wont-face-gun-charges-in-illinois
God, you're a shitty Russian troll.
Everything you say is predictable and right in line with what all Russian trolls are spewing.
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Kenosha Shooter Kyle Rittenhouse Pleads Not Guilty to Murder and Other Charges; Defense Lawyer Complains About ‘Ridiculous’ Timeline
https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/kenosha-shooter-kyle-rittenhouse-
pleads-not-guilty-to-murder-and-other-charges-defense-lawyer-complains-about-ridiculous-timeline/
Kyle Rittenhouse Pleads Not Guilty to Charges From Fatal Kenosha Shooting
https://www.complex.com/life/2021/01/kyle-rittenhouse-pleads-not-guilt
y-fatal-kenosha-shooting
Kenosha killings: Kyle Rittenhouse pleads not guilty to shooting two dead at protests
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/kenosha-killings-kyle-rittenhouse-ple
ads-not-guilty-to-shooting-two-dead-at-protests/6KRF53IIGUHUFNEMDR62C2YJVM/
Btw I think the NZ paper titles this wrong
He shot them dead, which you are still allowed do in parts of America if you feel you are under immediate threat, under attack and fear your life is in danger
WI: Political Prosecution, Kyle Rittenhouse Charged with Curfew Violation
https://gunsinthenews.com/wi-political-prosecution-kyle-rittenhouse-ch
arged-with-curfew-violation/
Kyle Rittenhouse pleads not guilty to Kenosha shooting charges
https://www.foxnews.com/us/kyle-rittenhouse-pleads-not-guilty-kenosha
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Kyle ain't even getting a slap on the wrist for this.
Another prediction?
He's on trial btw
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Yup. A lot of innocent people get put on trial.
Are you insinuating that he's guilty because he's on trial?
I certainly hope not.
He'll be fine.
The first draft of anything is shit. :)
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Trial of Kyle Rittenhouse, teen charged in Kenosha shooting, delayed until fall
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/kyle-rittenhouse-trial-delayed-un
til-fall/
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Quote:
Originally posted by JAYNEZTOWN:
Trial of Kyle Rittenhouse, teen charged in Kenosha shooting, delayed until fall
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/kyle-rittenhouse-trial-delayed-un
til-fall/
Page not found...
I did a search on that page not found page and got this hit:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/kyle-rittenhouse-trial-delayed-until-030612
525.html
I find this to be particularly hilarious...
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"There are a number of outstanding issues with discovery, DNA testing and some other issues that need to be taken care of. There are also some logistics with regards to the eventual jury that need to be hammered out," said Kenosha County Assistant District Attorney Thomas Binger.
DNA?
We've got video where a minor was sucker-punched in the back of the head, knocked to the ground and assaulted by three adults, one of which was armed themselves.
Nobody has any questions who the dead guys are, and the one who lived is missing about half an arm now.
What do they need DNA for?
P.S. Put a space after a link if it's the last thing in your post and you don't have a signature set up. Just good posting etiquette here since it borks the reply function on this site if you don't.
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PSA: Don't click on any links in Second's posts. He's trying to fish your private information out of you.
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A Utah paramedic who contributed ten dollars to a defense fund for Kyle Rittenhouse is now the victim of a media terror campaign.
https://www.breitbart.com/the-media/2021/04/19/media-dox-intimidate-pa
ramedic-contributed-rittenhouse-defense-fund/
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Political terrorism via Legacy Media.
He should lose his job now, and the world should know where he lives.
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Imagine the hypocrisy of a government who will allow businesses to card people to get a job or buy groceries, but won't card people to vote in elections and gives millions of non-citizens free money from taxpayers.
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Attorney Lin Wood’s foundation asks court to return Kyle Rittenhouse’s $2 million bond
https://www.lakemchenryscanner.com/2021/09/30/former-attorney-lin-wood
s-foundation-asks-court-to-return-kyle-rittenhouses-2-million-bond/
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They'd fuckin' better.
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Thank you for bringing up this topic again. Necroposting prevents people from having 6-second ("goldfish") memories
Quote:I'd like to add that if people were to be tried on the basis of saying ... or posting.... that they want to kill others, WISHY and REAVERBOT would have been in jail many times over.
In Tense Hearing, Kyle Rittenhouse Defense Convinces Judge to Throw Out Significant Portions of the Goverment’s Case
Colin Kalmbacher 9/17/2021
It was an all-but ugly day in court for the prosecutors hoping to put Kenosha shooter Kyle Rittenhouse behind bars on six counts, including murder. During a lengthy evidentiary hearing, the defense scored victory after victory while the government was increasingly frustrated at the judge’s rulings in favor of the defendant.
Assistant District Attorney Thomas C. Binger argued that the defendant is a “teenage vigilante” — and a “violent vigilante” at that. But that was precisely the problem with the state’s evidence, according to Kenosha County Judge Bruce Schroeder.
The government quickly lost two motions to introduce two pieces of evidence outright. The first piece of evidence showed that Rittenhouse attacked a woman who was involved in an altercation with his sister in June 2020. The second showed that Rittenhouse has various affiliations with the far-right Proud Boys organization.
In both instances, the judge ruled that the government’s offered evidence would be far more prejudicial than it was worth.
“I would be reversed,” Schroeder said — anticipating an appellate court’s decision about the merits of such evidence.
The court opined that deadly shooting of August 2020 was “nothing like the incident involving the sister” two months prior and was “exactly the kind of evidence the rule is designed to prohibit.”
Under the Wisconsin Rules of Evidence, “evidence may be excluded if its probative value is substantially outweighed by the danger of unfair prejudice” or if it causes “confusion of the issue” a jury is called to determine. Rittenhouse’s attorneys have admitted their client pulled the trigger; the teen killed two and injuring one. His attorneys claim their client acted in self-defense. Therefore, the legal case is shaping up to focus on whether Rittenhouse was justified in “terminating” what he “reasonably believe[d] to be an unlawful interference with his . . . person.” That standard requires a probing and focused look at whether Rittenhouse’s thinking in the moment.
...
Arguably the largest setback for the government came over a request to show jurors a video of Rittenhouse expressing his desire to shoot a Black man who exited a CVS pharmacy because he thought the man was shoplifting. The defense conceded the facts about the video – admitting it was the defendant’s voice on and that he was referring to the same gun he later used to kill two people – but still requested that the evidence be kept far away from jurors in the case.
“Bro, I wish I had my fucking AR,” Rittenhouse says. “I’d start shooting rounds at them.”
The defendant, however, did not use a weapon but instead dialed 911 about his concerns as to the man at the pharmacy.
Quote:
... “Once again, I think the evidence is too dissimilar,” the judge ruled while repeatedly deciding that the CVS video evidence only really goes toward “propensity” and was only being used to support the notion that Rittenhouse is a “vigilante killer.”
“The [incidents] are too dissimilar,” Schroeder continued. “He makes some threatening statements for sure. Statements. Then he takes a proper action. ‘Threatening’ is probably the wrong word.”
Binger then shot back in increasingly livid and furious tones — his dissatisfaction with the judge apparent — by saying the evidence was “crucial” for jurors and “identical” because “in both situations the defendant is taking the law into his own hands.”
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Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I'd like to add that if people were to be tried on the basis of saying ... or posting.... that they want to kill others, WISHY and REAVERBOT would have been in jail many times over.
Second too... Assuming of course that Roomba wasn't his sockpuppet.
I love how he still keeps bringing up my admiration for the masterpiece that was Joker as some sort of proof that I'm a violent person when I never once celebrated the actions of the titular character, or have even gone into any details about any particular scene, while years later he still brings up detailed points about scenes that happened in the movie that I don't even remember anymore.
What do you expect? I love a good troll. Long after I saw the movie I was still reveling in the fact that despite it's almost non-existent budget and every American "journalist" and "critic" having nothing but negative things to say about it, it wiped up the floor with all the big budget trite crap that came out that year.
Had the Legacy Media never hated on it as bad as they did, I probably never would have went to see it since I hate comic book movies.
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Quote:Prosecution withholding evidence from defense?
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Thank you for bringing up this topic again. Necroposting prevents people from having 6-second ("goldfish") memoriesQuote:
In Tense Hearing, Kyle Rittenhouse Defense Convinces Judge to Throw Out Significant Portions of the Goverment’s Case
Colin Kalmbacher 9/17/2021
But one new piece of evidence discussed at the hearing may prove to be instrumental for the state’s case against the 18-year-old. Near the end of the hearing, amidst a detailed back-and-forth discussion about who began the chase that turned deadly on the night in question, the government revealed they have a video from an “FBI” aircraft that shows Rittenhouse initiating hostilities against Joseph Rosenbaum. The defense said they hadn’t seen that evidence before.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/in-tense-hearing-kyle-rittenhouse
-defense-convinces-judge-to-throw-out-significant-portions-of-the-goverments-case/ar-AAOyRIe
I'm not sure at which point Discovery is supposed to happen. I would have thought before this point.
To conjure that Biden's Injustice DEpt is withholding evidence - just so shocking.
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Hulk Hogan claims he ‘fought off burglars’ at his home and thanks firefighter for ‘saving his life’
https://metro.co.uk/2021/10/21/wwe-legend-hulk-hogan-claims-he-fought-
off-burglars-at-his-home-15457528/
JUDGE: Those Allegedly Shot By Rittenhouse Can’t Be Called ‘Victims’ During Trial, ‘Rioters’ And ‘Arsonists’ Both More Accurate
https://nationalfile.com/judge-those-allegedly-shot-by-rittenhouse-can
t-be-called-victims-during-trial-rioters-and-arsonists-both-more-accurate
Judge Rules Video Of Officers Thanking Kyle Rittenhouse Can Be Used At Trial
https://news.yahoo.com/judge-rules-video-officers-thanking-033200595.h
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Originally posted by JAYNEZTOWN:
JUDGE: Those Allegedly Shot By Rittenhouse Can’t Be Called ‘Victims’ During Trial, ‘Rioters’ And ‘Arsonists’ Both More Accurate
https://nationalfile.com/judge-those-allegedly-shot-by-rittenhouse-can
t-be-called-victims-during-trial-rioters-and-arsonists-both-more-accurate
Judge Rules Video Of Officers Thanking Kyle Rittenhouse Can Be Used At Trial
https://news.yahoo.com/judge-rules-video-officers-thanking-033200595.h
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Good. Yeah. I heard about this last night. I wanted to see if you posted about it first before putting it up here though.
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Quote:I wonder if that prosecutor who decided to prosecute this case is starting to question the wisdom of his decision.
Originally posted by JAYNEZTOWN:
JUDGE: Those Allegedly Shot By Rittenhouse Can’t Be Called ‘Victims’ During Trial, ‘Rioters’ And ‘Arsonists’ Both More Accurate
https://nationalfile.com/judge-those-allegedly-shot-by-rittenhouse-can
t-be-called-victims-during-trial-rioters-and-arsonists-both-more-accurate
Judge Rules Video Of Officers Thanking Kyle Rittenhouse Can Be Used At Trial
https://news.yahoo.com/judge-rules-video-officers-thanking-033200595.h
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Jury selection for the trial was completed yesterday.
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I caught xome courtTV tonight.
The prosecutor's opening statement claimed that Kyle was chasing Rosenbaum, in contrast to the defense case stating that Kyle was acting in self defense.
Then the first day of presenting his case, he is showing videos which all show Kyle being chased by arsonist/rioter Rosenbaum.
Not a lot of folk were able to make sense of that.
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Another good story ruined by video evidence.
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I do appreciate you following this.
People jump on various bandwagons VERY QUICKLY on bias and hysteria but little to no carefully- vetted evidence (JO753, REAVERBOT, SECOND, TWITCHY, G .... JSF and SIX - on Covid).
Very seldom do they learn how wrong they might have been because they never pursue the allegations to the bitter end.
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Today a juror was dismissed. Local Fake News says it was due to the juror making a joke about Jacob Blake.
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lol
First fucking time I've seen a Leftist acknowledge the rioters of 2020.
https://chicago.suntimes.com/columnists/2021/11/5/22765491/kyle-ritten
house-jury-self-defense
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The irony is that a key element of self-defense is the reasonableness of a person’s actions under the circumstances. There was absolutely nothing reasonable about anything that happened in Kenosha that night — from a 17-year-old high school dropout playing self-deputized peacekeeper with an AR-15 semi-automatic rifle, to the adults who enabled him, to the law enforcement personnel who failed to send them all home, to the rioters who set fires and brought their own guns to protest the shooting of a Black man by a white police officer.
Whenever it suits them, huh?
Maybe if you Media fucks called out all that bad behavior when it was happening instead of denying it and then OUTRIGHT CELEBRATING IT, Kyle never would have been up in Kenosha with the gun in the first place.
Did you ever think about that, Mark Brown?
Maybe you should be on trial, Mark Brown. You and the rest of the Leftist media.
Those two degenerates you seem to care so much about wouldn't be dead now if it wasn't for your irresponsible reporting.
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Quote:
Rittenhouse Witness Blows Case For Prosecution, Admits He Pointed Gun, Advanced First
Monday, Nov 08, 2021 - 02:04 PM
A star witness for the prosecution in the Kyle Rittenhouse trial just blew the entire case for the prosecution, after he admitted to pointing his own gun at Rittenhouse before the teen shot his bicep off.
"It wasn't until you pointed your gun at him, advanced on him, with your gun - now your hand's down, pointed at him - that he fired, right?" the defense asked witness Gaige Grosskreutz. To which he replied:
"Correct..."
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/rittenhouse-witness-blows-case-pro
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:
Rittenhouse Witness Blows Case For Prosecution, Admits He Pointed Gun, Advanced First
Monday, Nov 08, 2021 - 02:04 PM
A star witness for the prosecution in the Kyle Rittenhouse trial just blew the entire case for the prosecution, after he admitted to pointing his own gun at Rittenhouse before the teen shot his bicep off.
"It wasn't until you pointed your gun at him, advanced on him, with your gun - now your hand's down, pointed at him - that he fired, right?" the defense asked witness Gaige Grosskreutz. To which he replied:
"Correct..."
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/rittenhouse-witness-blows-case-pro
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He didn't "blow" the case. He told the truth. The inescapable truth.
The video is out there. Has been for a very, very long time now. You can clearly see that this is how everything played out.
If the one-armed man were to have said that the events unfolded any other way, he'd be guilty of perjury.
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. At least you only need one arm to man the deep fryer at McDonalds.
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I wonder if people are starting to see things like this incident with new eyes now that they're not blinded by Orange Man Bad 24/7.
If they are, they must feel really stupid.
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Quote:Particularly if they comprehend that we have known them for stupid all this time.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I wonder if people are starting to see things like this incident with new eyes now that they're not blinded by Orange Man Bad 24/7.
If they are, they must feel really stupid.
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It was a melee, with guns.
But clearly one person was chasing Kyle and lunging for his weapon before being shot, and the other person raised his handgun at Kyle before being shot.
NEVER point your weapon at someone, especially if they also have a gun, unless you intend to shoot. You run the risk of being shot.
*****
Once upon a time, when I lived in a very sketchy part of Buffalo in an upstairs attic (vacant downstairs) the downsairs was being broken into. I was home alone and afraid that the robber would come upstairs. At the time, we had an old Remington Nylon66 22 caliber rifle (just for plinking, really) and I grabbed the gun, thought about it, and put it down. Because it had no ammunition, but if the robber himself had a gun and saw my gun silhouette in the dark, they were likely to shoot first and then find out they'd made a mistake. Even then, I wasn't so stupid as to make empty threats with guns.
I miss that old Remington. It was a sraight-shooting, fun, plinking rifle. But the biggest thing I ever shot was petals off daisies bc, at one time, I was a good shot.
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I've never once loaded my gun in my life, but any time I take it out to clean it or to show it to somebody I treat it as if somebody magically put a bullet in it.
It's the most dangerous tool that I own.
Maybe if these Leftists kids' parents actually taught their kids how to handle and respect firearms, people wouldn't die when they're treated like toys.
I'll bet the one-armed-bandit had plenty of firearms training playing GTA in his mom's basement.
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Judge let all the jurors know that they were filmed before the case.
Leftist wackjobs were posting that they had video of all of the jurors on Twitter. Yanno... get the news out there that they'd better give the right verdict or they're going to be murdered.
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Prosecution rested yesterday. Today first day of Defense. Kyle took the stand.
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You should listen to this, especially the exerpts from a trial The judge (A Dem-appointed one BTW) was so pissed off at the prosecution he was spluttering.
The only thing I can think of is that the prosecution, knowing that their case has fallen apart under the weight of video evidence, is aiming at another bite of the apple by having a mistrial declared because of prosecutorial misconduct.
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Quote:You are implying the Judge is NOT a Trumptard, but he is a hardcore Trumpist:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
You should listen to this, especially the exerpts from a trial The judge (A Dem-appointed one BTW) was so pissed off at the prosecution he was spluttering.
Kyle Rittenhouse trial: Judge’s ringtone revealed to be Trump’s rally theme tune
‘God Bless the USA is the opening song played at every Trump rally. Lee Greenwood literally sang it at Trump’s inauguration’
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/crime/bruce-schroede
r-kyle-rittenhouse-judge-phone-b1955443.html
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Quote:You are implying the Judge is NOT a Trumptard, but he is a hardcore Trumpist:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
You should listen to this, especially the exerpts from a trial The judge (A Dem-appointed one BTW) was so pissed off at the prosecution he was spluttering.
Kyle Rittenhouse trial: Judge’s ringtone revealed to be Trump’s rally theme tune
‘God Bless the USA is the opening song played at every Trump rally. Lee Greenwood literally sang it at Trump’s inauguration’
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/crime/bruce-schroede
r-kyle-rittenhouse-judge-phone-b1955443.html
I posted this twice because I want to make the point that this Judge pretends he is neutral, but every step is his attempt to protect the little Trumptard Kyle Rittenhouse from being declared a murderer. If there are Trumptards on the jury, I know they will vote innocent because I asked Trumptards in Texas what they think. All of them think Rittenhouse is innocent. ALL OF THEM. Pretty predictable.
Quote:Signym, you got this absolutely backwards. Mr Rittenhouse’s attorneys are seeking a mistrial with prejudice due to what they called “prosecutorial misconduct”. The defence accused prosecutors of violating Mr Rittenhouse’s rights by mentioning his silence in the wake of the 25 August 2020 shootings and by referencing a video that was previously deemed inadmissible. If the motion is granted, Mr Rittenhouse cannot be tried again for the same crimes.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
The only thing I can think of is that the prosecution, knowing that their case has fallen apart under the weight of video evidence, is aiming at another bite of the apple by having a mistrial declared because of prosecutorial misconduct.
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SECOND: You are implying that ANYONE who sings "God Bless America" is a "Trumptard".
Oh look! She must be a Trumptard!
Has the judge ever tweeted, posted, or said ANYTHING favorable about Trump??
NO??
So, you're left grasping at RINGTONES?
That's the same level of "evidence" as the "Alfa Bank" connection and "pee-gate" and all of the other shit that you've been flinging, for ... YEARS ... now.
Complete disinfo.
The judge was pissed because the prosecutor questioned Rittnehouse's RIGHT TO REMAIN SILENT. It is a CONSITUTTIONAL right to remain silent, and guilt should NEVER be inferred.
But, what the hell!
You hate the Constitution!
You hate the Framers!
You hate America!
You hate Americans!
You've said so!
You've gone off the deep end.
Get help: You're nuttier than a fruitcake.
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Quote:The prosecutors should question the Judge, under oath, if he is a Trumptard. I'm certain the judge would refuse to answer that question or any others about why his phone plays the exact version of a song that Trump uses at his rallies - Trump's theme song. There would be zero reason not to answer, other than the judge doesn't want to go to the place where he is questioned about prejudging the case and siding with little baby Kyle, who cries on the witness stand about how wrong it is punish him for murdering two people because he is a Trumptard. Watch the judge actually give Kyle a bottle to calm the weeping baby.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
SECOND: You are implying that ANYONE who sings "God Bless America" is a "Trumptard".
The judge should not have the stopped the trial for ten minutes. The jury needs to see precisely how long it takes for Kyle to get control of his emotions. They need to judge this baby, not comfort him, since he murdered two victims. The Judge won't allow calling them victims because that prejudices the jury against Kyle. There are no victims, none, in this case, other than Kyle, according to the Judge.
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So now you want political tests for judges, bc if they don't have the "correct" politics they can't sit on cases?
Has this judge ever given ANY indication that his rulings have been biased, and not based in law???
Has he ever overstepped his bounds as egregiously as the prosecutor did in the Rittenhouse case?
*****
Prosecutors should question Comey, Strzok, Brennan, Haspell, Lisa Page, McCabe, Steele, Sondland, Fiona Hill, Sussman (Perkins Coie lawyer), Clinesmith (FBI lawyer), Hillary Clinton, and a host of others, under oath, as to whether they engaged in a five-year campaign to bring false charges against Donald Trump.
Now THAT is an investigationn worth pursuing.
Not your gnat-catching "wrong song" peccadillo.
But, we know it will never happen because those high up in power control the process.
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But, what the hell, SECOND!
You hate the Constitution!
You hate the Framers!
You hate America!
You hate Americans!
You have said so, over and over!
And you hate equal justice!
You're nuttier than a fruitcake.
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Quote:Signym, I never believed you about being a registered Democrat in California. But now I know you are a full of bullshit Trumptard and a Russian troll.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
So now you want political tests for judges, bc if they don't have the "correct" politics they can't sit on cases?
Has this judge ever given ANY indication that his rulings have been biased, and not based in law???
Has he ever overstepped his bounds as egregiously as the prosecutor did in the Rittenhouse case?
*****
Prosecutors should question Comey, Strzok, Brennan, Haspell, Lisa Page, McCabe, Steele, Sondland, Fiona Hill, Sussman (Perkins Coie lawyer), Clinesmith (FBI lawyer), Hillary Clinton, and a host of others, under oath, as to whether they engaged in a five-year campaign to bring false charges against Donald Trump.
Now THAT is an investigationn worth pursuing.
Not your gnat-catching "wrong song" peccadillo.
But, we know it will never happen because those high up in power control the process.
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And the best you an come up with is more lies (libel).
Yanno, I understand Rittenhouse falling apart on the stand. He's a young man describing a fraught experience under charged circumstances. He's all keyed up. I can even understand it being staged (altho it's hard to see how someone can make their face go red, on cue.)
But you're an older man who's seen a lot. What's YOUR excuse for being a duplicitious, twisted fuck who hates everyone and who lies at the first opportunity?
You can hardly hate Rittenhouse for "lying" (as you see it) when you do the very same yourself. You're even less virtuous than he is.
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Quote:You are getting completely speculative about me, my dear Russian troll, but I am not speculating about you. You have posted a thousand times that Russia didn't interfere in the 2016 election and Trump didn't obstruct the investigation. Being wrong a thousand times does not make you right, Signym.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
And the best you an come up with is more lies (libel).
Yanno, I understand Rittenhouse falling apart on the stand. He's a young man describing a fraught experience under charged circumstances. He's all keyed up. I can even understand it being staged (altho it's hard to see how someone can make their face go red, on cue.)
But you're an older man who's seen a lot. What's YOUR excuse for being a duplicitious, twisted fuck who hates everyone and who lies at the first opportunity?
You can hardly hate Rittenhouse for "lying" (as you see it) when you do the very same yourself. You're even less virtuous than he is.
Justice Dept. Never Fully Examined Trump’s Ties to Russia, Ex-Officials Say
The former deputy attorney general maneuvered to keep investigators from completing an inquiry into whether the president’s personal and financial links to Russia posed a national security threat.
The Justice Department secretly took steps in 2017 to narrow the investigation into Russian election interference and any links to the Trump campaign, according to former law enforcement officials, keeping investigators from completing an examination of President Trump’s decades-long personal and business ties to Russia.
The special counsel who finished the investigation, Robert S. Mueller III, secured three dozen indictments and convictions of some top Trump advisers, and he produced a report that outlined Russia’s wide-ranging operations to help get Mr. Trump elected and the president’s efforts to impede the inquiry.
But law enforcement officials never fully investigated Mr. Trump’s own relationship with Russia, even though some career F.B.I. counterintelligence investigators thought his ties posed such a national security threat that they took the extraordinary step of opening an inquiry into them. Within days, the former deputy attorney general Rod J. Rosenstein curtailed the investigation without telling the bureau, all but ensuring it would go nowhere.
A bipartisan report by the Republican-led Senate Intelligence Committee released this month came the closest to an examination of the president’s links to Russia. Senators depicted extensive ties between Trump associates and Russia, identified a close associate of a former Trump campaign chairman as a Russian intelligence officer and outlined how allegations about Mr. Trump’s encounters with women during trips to Moscow could be used to compromise him. But the senators acknowledged they lacked access to the full picture, particularly any insight into Mr. Trump’s finances.
Now, as Mr. Trump seeks re-election, major questions about his approach to Russia remain unanswered. He has repeatedly shown an openness to Russia, an adversary that attacked American democracy in 2016, and he has refused to criticize or challenge the Kremlin’s increasing aggressions toward the West. The president has also rejected the intelligence community’s finding that Russia interfered in 2016 to bolster his candidacy and the spy agencies’ assessment that Russia is trying to sabotage this year’s election again on his behalf.
More at https://web.archive.org/web/20211022115818/https://www.nytimes.com/202
0/08/30/us/politics/trump-russia-justice-department.html
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You know who I am IRL.
I never said Russian didn't intefere in the election. They posted some posts and Tweeted some tweets. In the torrent of M$M, FB posts and Twitter tweets, they were nearly invisible.
What the Trump campaign did NOT do is "collude" with Russia, which is what occupied the media... AND YOUR POSTS ... 24/7/365 for years. What there is no evidence for is that the Russians "exfiltrated" the DNC emails.
As usual. when caught in a lie you move the goalposts.
We all know what you are, SECOND.
You're a hater.
You're a killer.
You're a leech on the American people.
You hate the Constitution.
You hate the Framers.
You hate America.
You hate Americans.
You even hate "God Bless America".
You've posted it often enough!
And you will lie compulsively and obsessively in service to your hate, and virtue-signal endlessly to cover your sins.
And since you're less of a person than Rittenhouse, I'm putting you on "ignore", again. So I will spend the next few months doing what I've done the past few months: Ignoring you.
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And yet he claims to be a utilitarian despite posting the same things over and over that are proven frauds, and therefore doomed to failure from the start.
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Utilitarian?
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The greatest good for the greatest number.
Of course that begs the questions 'what is good' and 'when do you measure it'?
If having an abundant good life is 'good', but the population eventually kills the planet with its abundant life - was an abundant life for so many a good thing? And so on.
It's a philosophy made for people who have delusions of omniscience.
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Since when did SECOND ever claim he was for greatest good/greatest number?
Far as I can tell he's only for his own good.
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Quote:Excellent video.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
You should listen to this, especially the exerpts from a trial The judge (A Dem-appointed one BTW) was so pissed off at the prosecution he was spluttering.
The only thing I can think of is that the prosecution, knowing that their case has fallen apart under the weight of video evidence, is aiming at another bite of the apple by having a mistrial declared because of prosecutorial misconduct.
Is that how Tucker is all the time?
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Quote:Gaige Grosskreutz, the only survivor of three people Rittenhouse shot Aug. 25, 2020, in Kenosha, Wisconsin, watched Rittenhouse, 18, testify in his defense Wednesday and said it was an emotional experience.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Since when did SECOND ever claim he was for greatest good/greatest number?
Far as I can tell he's only for his own good.
Grosskreutz, a paramedic from suburban Milwaukee, was in Kenosha on Aug. 25 last year offering medical services.
Grosskreutz had a gun in hand when he approached Rittenhouse but said he wasn't threatening Rittenhouse when he was shot.
"I think the most important thing to remember is that Kyle Rittenhouse was an active shooter. He murdered two men, and he attempted to murder me," Grosskreutz said.
Rittenhouse's defense, which is claiming self-defense, rested late Thursday afternoon.
"Well, I think any time you see your would-be murderer on the stand, it’s emotional," Grosskreutz said on ABC's "Good Morning America."
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/kyle-rittenhouse-was-an-active-sh
ooter-according-to-wounded-paramedic/ar-AAQAFBC
Take note that every Trumptard at fireflyfans.net has taken the murderer's side, as has every Trumptard I know in Texas, as has Trump. There is a pattern here, maybe even a philosophy if you want to get abstract about Trumptards' everyday beastliness :
"Trump Defends Kenosha Shooting Suspect"
https://www.npr.org/sections/live-updates-protests-for-racial-justice/
2020/08/31/908137377/trump-defends-kenosha-shooting-suspect
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My big old bag of Fuck You, I Told You So's is on standby for the verdict on this case.
Won't be long now.
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Quote:As we know from O.J. Simpson's murder trial, $millions buys a not guilty verdict. Grosskreutz, a paramedic who was shot but not killed by Kyle Rittenhouse, testified he was not attacking Rittenhouse. It won't be unexpected if Rittenhouse gets declared innocent of shooting Grosskreutz, once again, because money can buy a not guilty verdict.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
My big old bag of Fuck You, I Told You So's is on standby for the verdict on this case.
Won't be long now.
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Shut up dude.
Why don't you tell everybody again how the half Latino kid who shot three white degenerate morons is a white supremacist.
Idiot. You and your treasonous Legacy Media are a bunch of idiots.
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Quote:Kyle Rittenhouse avoided the police, got in his car, and went home after killing two people. An innocent person goes to the police and talks to them about it without a lawyer. Days later, the police arrested Kyle Rittenhouse, who was in hiding, then had to fight in court for months to extradite him, because he refused to go, same as he avoided the police after he killed two people.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Shut up dude.
Why don't you tell everybody again how the half Latino kid who shot three white degenerate morons is a white supremacist.
Idiot. You and your treasonous Legacy Media are a bunch of idiots.
Illinois authorities extradite Kyle Rittenhouse to Wisconsin
https://apnews.com/article/kyle-rittenhouse-extradition-kenosha-4a2be2
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Quote:
Originally posted by second:Quote:Kyle Rittenhouse avoided the police, got in his car, and went home after killing two people. An innocent person goes to the police and talks to them about it without a lawyer. Days later, the police arrested Kyle Rittenhouse, who was in hiding, then had to fight in court for months to extradite him, because he refused to go, same as he avoided the police after he killed two people.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Shut up dude.
Why don't you tell everybody again how the half Latino kid who shot three white degenerate morons is a white supremacist.
Idiot. You and your treasonous Legacy Media are a bunch of idiots.
Illinois authorities extradite Kyle Rittenhouse to Wisconsin
https://apnews.com/article/kyle-rittenhouse-extradition-kenosha-4a2be2
814fe56d961a22b76943a24426
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He didn't avoid the police. There is video and photographs of him walking right along side of them.
Just like there is video of him (a half-Latino minor) shooting white degenerate adults in self-defense, the surviving one of them admitting on the stand that he was shot in self-defense. That wasn't some bombshell revelation. That was a one-armed idiot finally fessing up and telling the truth so he doesn't loose his freedom for perjuring himself on top of his arm.
You're a fucking idiot, and so is everyone in your cult. YOU got those men killed. You and your lying, race-baiting media who emboldened their criminal behavior for a whole year leading up to it.
If the Democrats don't purge your kind out of their party, Democrats are toast.
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Quote:Kyle Rittenhouse executed two people on the street. If he gets away with that, Trumptards will be executing people, too, the next time they don't win an election. That is the reason Trumptards have contributed money to Rittenhouse's defense and have such strong opinions that he is "innocent".
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
If the Democrats don't purge your kind out of their party, Democrats are toast.
Trumptards dream of killing:
Gun sales in the United States rose 40% last year to 39,695,315.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2021/02/10/this-is-how-many-guns-
were-sold-in-all-50-states/43371461/
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Why are you 2 arguing with partial truths ... and partial lies?
Anyway, there was also video BEFORE the shooting started.
Quote:
https://www.aol.com/news/judge-rittenhouse-trial-not-allow-164122124-2
13334189.html
KENOSHA, Wis. (Reuters) - The judge in the trial of Kyle Rittenhouse said on Friday he would instruct the jury they can consider the prosecution's argument that the teenager provoked an encounter with one of two men he fatally shot during protests in Wisconsin last year.
Kenosha County Assistant District Attorney James Kraus showed grainy drone video of the Rosenbaum shooting as he argued that Rittenhouse raised his AR-15-style rifle shortly before the encounter and pointed it at some people, including another man, Joshua Ziminski, who fired a gunshot in the air.
"The simple argument is there's plenty of evidence that the state has brought in that he raised his gun," Kraus said. "We have evidence of provocation."
There was also video of Rittenhouse actively chasing somebody down before the shooting took place. Who, it isn't clear. But he was an armed aggressor, not defensive.
Let it all come out ... and then let the jury decide.
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Originally posted by second:
If he gets away with that, Trumptards will be executing people
You mean how Leftists get away with it all the time?
Oh woe is you.
lol
You're a fuckin' riot.
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Like I said, it was a melee, with guns.
People were chasing Rittenhouse because they thought he was an "active shooter", but Rittenhouse didn't actually shoot until AFTER he was being chased. It was somebody else, who fired into the air, that seemed to set off the chase.
There is a lot of video evidence, very little of which has been made public and timelined.
Is it murder to chase someone while holding a gun? Is it murder to raise your gun in someone's direction? (Once upon a time we were mocycling off-road and came across a group of plinkers, and when I looked back I saw someone sighting their gun on us. It made me so mad I wanted to beat the crap outta that a-hole, just bc of his sheer stupidity. But of course, I couldn't bc ... they had guns. And they were probably drunk.)
That would be - I dunno - assault, maybe. Whatever charge you can bring against someone for threatening with a gun.
But then, what idiot tries to grab a gun from who you think is an active shooter? A would-be hero?
It's all a clusterfuck. I would love to see the evidence for myself.
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Closing arguments are scheduled for Monday.
100s of extra Law Enforcement Officers are scheduled. Libtard Gov Skeletor Evers has authorized 500 WI Army National Guard to be deployed.
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Quote:This case is easy to understand, unless you don't want to understand that guns are NOT for protection, but for killing. An AR-15 is NOT a Star Wars lightsaber, which can deflect bullets. The AR-15 is only for killing people, except some people who are incompetent it is only for making noises. How many people were shot? 3. How many shooters? 1. Is the jury going to hold the shooter responsible? Is the jury going to believe that Rittenhouse was there to protect himself? Or was he there to kill Libtards? Rittenhouse became the darling of people who want to kill Libtards, but the jury wasn't shown that evidence about why Rittenhouse left his house and went to confront Libtards with an AR-15.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Like I said, it was a melee, with guns.
It's all a clusterfuck. I would love to see the evidence for myself.
Smith & Wesson M&P 15 https://www.smith-wesson.com/product/mp-15-sport-ii
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Delusional.
The only one here always talking about killing people is you.
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Quote:I understand completely why four guys kicked the shit of you, then stabbed you, putting you in the hospital. You ran your fucking mouth and than they kicked you. Kyle Rittenhouse was pointing a rifle at people, then he and his highly paid defense team blame the people Rittenhouse shot for what happened next. Rittenhouse had no business being there, he was too young to own a gun, and he is too mentally unstable to control himself and not kill people and the people who are siding with Rittenhouse are just as mentally unstable as he is about the feeling they are threatened by Libtards and killing Libtards. If Rittenhouse is declared not guilty, it is open season on Libtards because the Trumptards in America have bought 50,000,000 guns this year and 40,000,000 last year, not for protection, but for killing Libtards.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Delusional.
The only one here always talking about killing people is you.
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Originally posted by second:Quote:I understand completely why four guys kicked the shit of you, than stabbed you, putting you in the hospital. You ran your fucking mouth and than they kicked you. Kyle Rittenhouse was pointing a rifle at people, then he and his highly paid defense team blame the people Rittenhouse shot for what happened next. Rittenhouse had no business being there, he was too young to own a gun, and he is too mentally unstable to control himself and not kill people and the people who are siding with Rittenhouse are just as mentally unstable as he is about the feeling they are threatened by Libtards and killing Libtards. If Rittenhouse is declared not guilty, it is open season on Libtards because the Trumptards in America have bought 50,000,000 guns this year and 40,000,000 last year, not for protection, but for killing Libtards.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Delusional.
The only one here always talking about killing people is you.
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Yup. Four gangbanging drug dealers are the good guys.
One of them is still where they all belong. I assume the other three either found they way back where they belong or are dead now.
You're a fucking idiot and you're the only one on this forum always talking about who you would kill and why.
Don't worry dude. I don't believe in pre-crime. I'm not going to anybody with the bullshit you've posted here. But you've left an awful long paper trail of horrible shit that you're going to have regretted posting if you ever become a person of interest and anybody starts asking for the archive.
Especially when they've got the tools to add all of Reaverfan's posts to your own when they easily confirm that he was your alias.
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P.S. The biggest killer of "Libtards" is "Libtards".
They are the vast majority and almost complete makeup of criminal possession of firearms and those who regularly use illegally purchased and owned firearms on each other.
More people died in Chicago yesterday than Kyle killed in self-defense over a year ago.
Which one are you still talking about?
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Quote:Libtards are not sending money to Chicago to defend drive-by shooters who kill people, but Trumptards are sending money to defend Rittenhouse because the Trumptards approve of Rittenhouse killing people that Trumptards hate.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
P.S. The biggest killer of "Libtards" is "Libtards".
They are the vast majority and almost complete makeup of criminal possession of firearms and those who regularly use illegally purchased and owned firearms on each other.
More people died in Chicago yesterday than Kyle killed in self-defense over a year ago.
Which one are you still talking about?
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I've got people I've got to help out today. No more time to waste on scum like you, shitbag.
Enjoy your weekend full of doing nothing for anybody but yourself.
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Quote:I expected you to withdraw from your endorsement of Rittenhouse killing people you hate, but you disappointed me by, instead, withdrawing into a pose of moral superiority looking down on "scum"/"shitbag". You lost your case even if Rittenhouse is declared Not Guilty on all charges by the jury.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I've got people I've got to help out today. No more time to waste on scum like you, shitbag.
Enjoy your weekend full of doing nothing for anybody but yourself.
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SIGNYM:
Like I said, it was a melee, with guns.
It's all a clusterfuck. I would love to see the evidence for myself.
SECONDRATE: This case is easy to understand, unless you don't want to understand that guns are NOT for protection, but for killing. An AR-15 is NOT a Star Wars lightsaber, which can deflect bullets. The AR-15 is only for killing people, except some people who are incompetent it is only for making noises. How many people were shot? 3. How many shooters? 1. Is the jury going to hold the shooter responsible? Is the jury going to believe that Rittenhouse was there to protect himself?
It doesn't matterwhat he was there "for". What matters, at least as far as I understand, are the circumstances immediately before Rittenhouse fired his weapon.
It's one thing to shoot gooks running away from a helicopter ... you can take time to pick your targets and aim.
It's another to shoot when a mob is chasing you and one is pointing a weapon at you.
I know there are various legal limits on self defense in various states. Not sure of the applicable law in this state, but IMHO some of the limits that I've seen require far more cool-headedness than I would expect of the average civilian.
When faced with - literally- an enraged mob (a mob which, apparently, mistakenly believes that you just shot somebody) there is no hope of self defense unless you have a gun.
If Rittenhouse REALLY wanted to kill libtards, he would have positioned himself on a tall building, and started picking people off, like any sensible mass shooter. Yanno, like you shooting from a helicopter.
So instead of grinding on and on with your obsession about Rittenhouse's supposed motives ... and you have a consistent history of being wrong with your "mind reading" ... you should look at his actions.
The evidence. There's a lot of it. What does it say?
I don't know. I've only seen bits and pieces. You've prolly seen even less than I have.
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Quote:Signym, it would be so much clearer why Rittenhouse was there if only Rittenhouse had 30 hand grenades rather than a magazine that holds 30 rounds. His defense lawyers would claim that the 30 grenades were not for killing but for "protection" by throwing a few grenades and letting the noise scare off any Libtards who have gotten too close that their nearness menaces poor little Kyle Rittenhouse. Too bad that hand grenades aren't covered by Supreme Court decisions: https://www.google.com/search?q=decision+legalizing+handguns
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
It doesn't matter what he was there "for". What matters, at least as far as I understand, are the circumstances immediately before Rittenhouse fired his weapon.
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As usual, you avoid reality, SECOND.
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Quote:Excellent video.
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
You should listen to this, especially the exerpts from a trial The judge (A Dem-appointed one BTW) was so pissed off at the prosecution he was spluttering.
The only thing I can think of is that the prosecution, knowing that their case has fallen apart under the weight of video evidence, is aiming at another bite of the apple by having a mistrial declared because of prosecutorial misconduct.
Is that how Tucker is all the time?
I don't know. Is he on every day? I only listen occasionally. This was pointed ou to me.
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Quote:It is you avoiding reality, Signym:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
As usual, you avoid reality, SECOND.
Wisconsin state law clearly states that lawful gun owners can “generally open carry without a permit” as long as the person wielding the “dangerous weapon” is 18 or older. However, Rittenhouse’s defense attorney is arguing that his client was protected under a different “vague state law” that allows younger children to carry rifles for hunting.
Criminal defense attorneys who specialize in Wisconsin firearm law say it will be hard for the defense to get their perspective accepted.
“There are a variety of defenses to this charge; none of them are great or even rise to the level of good,” said Tom Grieve, a Milwaukee-based criminal defense attorney, who spoke to the Washington Post about the hunting law defense.
Legal Claim to Self Defense?
Some advocates have argued that Rittenhouse relinquished his right to self-defense by committing the crime of having carried a firearm while being under the age of 18.
But Racine-based attorney Patrick Cafferty who previously defended Jacob Blake in criminal court said that the legal basis for a self-defense argument “is sort of a moving target. It’s very fact-specific in each case.”
If somebody commits misdemeanor disorderly conduct by yelling at someone on the street, but then the person being yelled at retaliates by trying to stab the person yelling, the right to self-defense would be retained by the original aggressor who now is trying to avoid being stabbed, Cafferty told the Journal Times.
“It gets more complicated in the case of Rittenhouse,” Cafferty said.
He detailed that if Rittenhouse and his team can prove that he acted in self-defense in the killing of Rosenbaum, then the argument that he was defending himself from the other “mob” that was chasing him would have legs. However, if Rittenhouse is deemed to be the “aggressor in the situation” then he would not have the right to use deadly force.
“People have lost the right to defend themselves if they have provoked aggression against themselves,” Cafferty said.
In the shooting of Rosenbaum, “Rittenhouse is claiming ‘I didn’t commit a crime … Therefore (Rittenhouse argues) no one else had the right to disarm me,’” Cafferty said.
“That’s what this case comes down to.”
https://thecrimereport.org/2021/11/11/rittenhouse-trial-why-was-a-17-y
ear-old-carrying-a-firearm-in-public/
Signym, it is a crime to cross into another state, parade down the street with your illegal weapon in order to intimidate your political enemies, then kill two of them. I forget the third person, only losing his arm, also one of Rittenhouse's political enemies, contradicts Rittenhouse's story.
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I see that the Trumptards are harassing the only survivor of Rittenhouse's murder spree because the survivor is their political enemy:
The shooting and its aftermath have changed Grosskreutz's life. The injury to his arm has left him unable to serve as a medic. He doesn't have the upper body strength for much of the outdoor recreation he loves. He's been threatened online, which is why he's reluctant to reveal some details about his family and where he went to school.
Others online have tried to smear his character by claiming he's a felon who wasn't legally allowed to possess the handgun he carried the night of the protest.
After three surgeries and a week in the hospital, Grosskreutz is home. He's in constant pain, but he won't take opiates; he's wary of them, and he's seen the damage they can do. It's not clear how much function he'll regain in his arm. He is grateful doctors left him with the option of amputating later, if it comes to that.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/09/11/medic-recalls-be
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Rittenhouse is charged with a number of crimes.
Some laws he clearly violated. Others aren't so clear. But being guilty of one crime doesn't mean you're guilty of all of them. Jury could find guilty of some and not guilty of others.
As you posted, it is FACT SPECIFIC in each case. Do you have ALL of the relevant facts?
I doubt it. I know I don't. Therefore I can't reach a decision. I don't know "what started it all". I don't know all of the preceding events.
However, who was running away?
Rittenhouse.
Who was pursuing?
Not Rittenhouse.
That weighs rather heavily to me.
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Originally posted by second:Quote:Libtards are not sending money to Chicago to defend drive-by shooters who kill people, but Trumptards are sending money to defend Rittenhouse because the Trumptards approve of Rittenhouse killing people that Trumptards hate.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
P.S. The biggest killer of "Libtards" is "Libtards".
They are the vast majority and almost complete makeup of criminal possession of firearms and those who regularly use illegally purchased and owned firearms on each other.
More people died in Chicago yesterday than Kyle killed in self-defense over a year ago.
Which one are you still talking about?
Leftists don't need to send any money to Chicago. Kim Foxx lets all of them go even when they murder each other in the streets in daylight with dozens of witnesses everywhere.'
Everyone involved in BLM and Antifa riots, looting and arson need to GTFO the country.
They don't need to die. They just need to find a country that will tolerate them. Because we're done with them.
Empty out the prisons of all non-violent drug offenders and put everyone from BLM and Antifa in there.
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Originally posted by second:
I see that the Trumptards are harassing the only survivor of Rittenhouse's murder spree because the survivor is their political enemy:
Nobody is crying for that fucking retard.
He'll be fine. You only need one hand to flip burgers.
If you follow the prosecution’s case against Kyle Rittenhouse, the only logical end is the assertion that self-defense is almost never an option and visiting the scene of a riot is only okay if you are there to burn property.
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The Young Turks comes out and issues a correction after one and a half years of falsely slamming Kyle with lies.
The "journalists" there with their journalist degrees couldn't be bothered to watch any of the videos of the incident until it went to trial. Either that, or they fucking lied about everything knowing full well they were lying up until they couldn't lie about it anymore.
Even TYT disagrees with you now, Second. You racist little bitch.
Ana Kasparian and Fat Fuck are too stupid to have jobs.
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Quote:As always, introduction of facts and truth ruins the Libtard narrative.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:It doesn't matterwhat he was there "for". What matters, at least as far as I understand, are the circumstances immediately before Rittenhouse fired his weapon.
SIGNYM:
Like I said, it was a melee, with guns.
It's all a clusterfuck. I would love to see the evidence for myself.
SECONDRATE: This case is easy to understand, unless you don't want to understand that guns are NOT for protection, but for killing. An AR-15 is NOT a Star Wars lightsaber, which can deflect bullets. The AR-15 is only for killing people, except some people who are incompetent it is only for making noises. How many people were shot? 3. How many shooters? 1. Is the jury going to hold the shooter responsible? Is the jury going to believe that Rittenhouse was there to protect himself?
It's one thing to shoot gooks running away from a helicopter ... you can take time to pick your targets and aim.
It's another to shoot when a mob is chasing you and one is pointing a weapon at you.
I know there are various legal limits on self defense in various states. Not sure of the applicable law in this state, but IMHO some of the limits that I've seen require far more cool-headedness than I would expect of the average civilian.
When faced with - literally- an enraged mob (a mob which, apparently, mistakenly believes that you just shot somebody) there is no hope of self defense unless you have a gun.
If Rittenhouse REALLY wanted to kill libtards, he would have positioned himself on a tall building, and started picking people off, like any sensible mass shooter. Yanno, like you shooting from a helicopter.
So instead of grinding on and on with your obsession about Rittenhouse's supposed motives ... and you have a consistent history of being wrong with your "mind reading" ... you should look at his actions.
The evidence. There's a lot of it. What does it say?
I don't know. I've only seen bits and pieces. You've prolly seen even less than I have.
Kyle spent that day working as Lifeguard for the City of Kenosha. Saving lives of innocent people really irks Libtards. And I recall Libtards avoided working with us Lifeguards.
Following that, and feeling a part of the Kenosha community, he went to the high school to clean off graffiti vandalism from the out of town invading rioters. Libtards wouldn't get caught dead cleaning up their own work.
Then, still feeling part of the Kenosha community, he responded to the call for help from the Car Dealership Owner to protect his property from out of town invading looters, arsonists and rioters. Libtards hate that he was trying to defeat them, after they bussed in from NY and Portland/Seattle.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/08/kyle-rittenhouse-working-life
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Quote:Some have posted that Kyle is obviously guilty of some of the 6 charges filed against him.
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
I'm not sure if you are serious or not.
Plenty of lies posted elsewhere on this board on this topic.
There are no Assault Weapons in WI, not even the ugly mugs of Libtard women.
Until 2017, people needed to be 12 years old to carry a shotgun or rifle in WI, but then Gov Walker signed the Law eliminating the minimum age requirement. Handguns possession is a bit more murky. Cannon are legal in MI, but I don't think so in WI.
The rifle Kyle had was purchased in WI, owned by a WI resident, never left the State on the day of the attacks upon Kyle, and was never subject to IL Laws.
Many IL residents venture to WI to hunt and partake in celebration of 2nd Amendment Rights (which are much curtailed in IL). There is a popular bumper sticker which says "WISCONSIN: Illinois' Largest State Park"
Also, Trump had to call Gov Skeletor Evers and plead him to call out the National Guard (which Evers controls, as Gov) - because Evers didn't want to restore any civilized environment in WI (rioting in both Kenosha and WI, and this weekend in Green Bay)
Which charge(s)?
Libtard out-of-Staters and citislickers have blathered on about the weapons charge, carrying a dangerous weapon while under 18 years of age. They reference State Law which prohibits carrying short barrel shotgun or short barrel rifle.
Kids older than 12 can carry shotguns and rifles, and 13 year olds don't need a hunting license to do so.
Judge Schroeder stated that this law was complicated and he needed to review it.
So what charge did Kyle obviously violate?
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Quote:The guy seems completely retarded.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
The Young Turks comes out and issues a correction after one and a half years of falsely slamming Kyle with lies.
The "journalists" there with their journalist degrees couldn't be bothered to watch any of the videos of the incident until it went to trial. Either that, or they fucking lied about everything knowing full well they were lying up until they couldn't lie about it anymore.
Even TYT disagrees with you now, Second. You racist little bitch.
Ana Kasparian and Fat Fuck are too stupid to have jobs.
Where is he from? NYC? Turkey?
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Judge Drops Rittenhouse Gun Charge, Finds He Legally Carried AR-15 In Kenosha
https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/judge-drops-rittenhouse-gun-charge-f
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Was Rittenhouse’s Possession of the AR-15 Unlawful?
Johnathan Turley
In covering the motions hearing last week in the trial of Kyle Rittenhouse, I noted a surprising comment from Judge Bruce Schroeder that he had “spent hours” with the Wisconsin gun law and could not state with certainty what it means in this case. The statement could effectively knock out the misdemeanor gun possession count — the one count that could still be in play for the jury after the prosecution’s case on the more serious offense appeared to collapse in court. A close examination of that provision reveals ample reason to question not just its meaning but its application to this case.
The unlawful possession of the gun has been a prominent fact cited not only by the prosecutors but the press.
At trial, however, prosecutor Thomas Binger at points seemed to be learning the governing law from Rittenhouse. For example, he pressed Rittenhouse on why he did not just purchase a handgun rather than an AR-15. Rittenhouse replied he could not possess a hand gun at his age. Binger then asked in apparent disbelief that the law allowed him to have an AR-15 but not a handgun and Rittenhouse said yes. Binger then moved on after seemingly drawing out a point for the defense.
The exchange was all the more baffling because it drew attention to the fact that one of Binger’s alleged “victims” was an adult named Gaige Grosskreutz who also decided to bring a handgun to the protests and pointed his .40 caliber Glock at the head of Rittenhouse when he was shot in the arm.
However, the most damaging moment came outside of the presence of the jury when the judge drilled down on the law. He told the prosecutors “I have been wrestling with this statute with, I’d hate to count the hours I’ve put into it, I’m still trying to figure out what it says, what’s prohibited. I have a legal education.” He added that he failed to understand how an “ordinary citizen” could understand what is illegal.
It is hard to understand how the count could be given to the jury without a clear understanding of what it means. It is also hard to instruct a jury on an ambiguous statute. Criminal laws are supposed to be interpreted narrowly. It is called the “rule of lenity” and has been around in the English system for centuries. For example, in 1547, the court was faced with a law making it a felony to steal “Horses, Geldings or Mares.” Given the use of plural nouns, the court ruled that it did not apply to stealing just one horse.
The problem with the Wisconsin statute is not a problem of pluralization but definition. It is not clear that the statute actually bars possession by Rittenhouse. Indeed, it may come down to the length of Rittenhouse’s weapon and the prosecutors never bothered to measure it and place it into evidence.
In Wisconsin, minors cannot possess short-barreled rifles under Section 941.28. Putting aside the failure to put evidence into the record to claim such a short length, it does not appear to be the case here. Rittenhouse used a Smith & Wesson MP-15 with an advertised barrel length of 16 inches and the overall length is 36.9 inches. That is not a short barrel.
Then there is the rest of the statute and ultimately the word “and.” Under Section 948.60(2)(a) (“Possession of a dangerous weapon by a person under 18”), “[a]ny person under 18 years of age who possesses or goes armed with a dangerous weapon is guilty of a Class A misdemeanor.” That makes Rittenhouse guilty, right?
Well, you then have to look at the subsection (c), which states that “This section applies only to a person under 18 years of age who possesses or is armed with a rifle or a shotgun if the person is in violation of s. 941.28 or is not in compliance with ss. 29.304 and 29.593.”
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Prosecutors crash and burn in Kyle Rittenhouse case, but polarized America doesn't see it
Rittenhouse is not on trial for American society's historical racism, and such history does not change the underlying facts of his case.
Jonathan Turley
The trial of Kyle Rittenhouse increasingly seems like a legal version of the parable of the blind men and the elephant. By only touching discrete parts of the animal, the men describe vastly different animals. In coverage of this trial, one would think that there were parallel trials occurring in Kenosha, Wisconsin.
One consensus however is emerging: Things are not going well for the prosecution.
But the reason for this developing failure depends greatly on what media you are watching other than the trial itself. It is either the product of systemic errors or systemic racism.
Rittenhouse is facing six charges that range from first-degree homicide to a misdemeanor of being a minor in possession of a dangerous weapon. At this stage, the prosecution may celebrate even a misdemeanor conviction.
Prosecution's bumpy start, and finish
The prosecution stumbled out of the gate in the trial. Gaige Grosskreutz was the third person to be shot by Rittenhouse. Grosskreutz admitted under cross-examination that Rittenhouse did not shoot him when he had his hands up after their confrontation. He admitted that it was only after he pointed his handgun at Rittenhouse and moved toward him that Rittenhouse fired.
Likewise, a prosecution witness, Ryan Balch, testified that one of the other people shot, Joseph Rosenbaum, said that he intended to kill Kyle Rittenhouse. Other witnesses described Rosenbaum as "belligerent" or "hyperaggressive."
USA TODAY's Carli Pierson:Kyle Rittenhouse deserves an award for his melodramatic performance on the witness stand.
Later, the prosecution called Richard McGinniss, a journalist with The Daily Caller who was reporting from Kenosha that night. He was near Rittenhouse when Joseph Rosenbaum was shot. The prosecutor told McGinniss, “I mean you have no idea what Mr. Rosenbaum was ever thinking at any point of his life. You have never been inside his head, you never met him before.”
McGinnis said, “I never exchanged words with him, if that’s what your question is.”
The prosecutor then pressed McGinnis on how he had no idea what Rosenbaum was thinking because it “is complete guesswork, isn’t it?”
That is when McGinnis delivered a haymaker, noting, “Well he said (expletive) you, and then he reached for the weapon.”
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The prosecution's own medical expert, Dr. Doug Kelly, appeared to confirm that the forensic evidence of soot injuries on Rosenbaum's hand could be consistent with Rosenbaum trying to grab the barrel of Rittenhouse's rifle when the gun was fired.
It got worse from there, including a glaring constitutional violation by the prosecution when Binger began his cross examination of Rittenhouse by commenting on his decision to remain silent.
The judge correctly tore into the prosecutor. Any first-year law student knows that you cannot comment on the silence of a Mirandized defendant after an arrest under the Fifth Amendment – let alone ignore a court order.
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Even without the unforced errors by the prosecution, this was always a difficult case. Wisconsin has a strong self-defense standard. After a defendant claims to have acted to repel a threat, the burden is on the prosecution to rebut that claim beyond a reasonable doubt.
Instead, the prosecution prompted its own witnesses to create layers of doubt in the case. In doing so, it seems to have reduced the range of possibilities to somewhere between a hung jury and outright acquittal on the major charges.
Kyle Rittenhouse testifies about fatally shooting two people
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What are the facts? That's what I want to know.
Describing Rosenbaum as "belligerent" or "hyperaggressive" is no more helpful - to me - than describing Rittenhouse as a “trigger-happy vigilante". That kind of character assassination ON BOTH SIDES should never be allowed.
Here's what I wonder. If Rosenbaum grabbed the barrel of Rittenhouse's gun and was killed, doesn't that mean the gun was already pointed AT HIM and he was trying to deflect it? For example, if the gun was pointed up in the air, and I was trying to grab it, I would grab it from underneath, which would point the gun even further upward. OTOH if the gun was pointed down at the ground, and I were to grab it, I would grab it from above, and drive it further downward. Only if it was pointed directly at me would I grab it from the side and get powder burns on my hand (on my corpse). So wouldn't that make Rosenbaum's action defensive, and not the result of a "belligerent" or "hyperaggressive" nature?
Is there video? What are the facts?
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Quote:Judge Schroeder ruled to exclude evidence in the form of a video taken two weeks before the events in question, purportedly showing Rittenhouse calling some people “looters” and stating that he wished he had a gun to shoot them. That seems highly probative of his intent two weeks later. Nor is it unduly prejudicial — it is an example of his own words, not some other form of extrinsic evidence.
Originally posted by 1KIKI:
What are the facts? That's what I want to know.
Is there video? What are the facts?
https://web.archive.org/web/20211115174026/https://www.independent.co.
uk/voices/rittenhouse-judge-schroeder-prosecutor-b1957956.html
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
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Quote:My original quote was the 2nd post of this thread, on 31 Aug 2020. These facts I posted seem to have been ignored by the Libtards participating in this thread.
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:Quote:Some have posted that Kyle is obviously guilty of some of the 6 charges filed against him.
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
I'm not sure if you are serious or not.
Plenty of lies posted elsewhere on this board on this topic.
There are no Assault Weapons in WI, not even the ugly mugs of Libtard women.
Until 2017, people needed to be 12 years old to carry a shotgun or rifle in WI, but then Gov Walker signed the Law eliminating the minimum age requirement. Handguns possession is a bit more murky. Cannon are legal in MI, but I don't think so in WI.
The rifle Kyle had was purchased in WI, owned by a WI resident, never left the State on the day of the attacks upon Kyle, and was never subject to IL Laws.
Many IL residents venture to WI to hunt and partake in celebration of 2nd Amendment Rights (which are much curtailed in IL). There is a popular bumper sticker which says "WISCONSIN: Illinois' Largest State Park"
Also, Trump had to call Gov Skeletor Evers and plead him to call out the National Guard (which Evers controls, as Gov) - because Evers didn't want to restore any civilized environment in WI (rioting in both Kenosha and WI, and this weekend in Green Bay)
Which charge(s)?
Libtard out-of-Staters and citislickers have blathered on about the weapons charge, carrying a dangerous weapon while under 18 years of age. They reference State Law which prohibits carrying short barrel shotgun or short barrel rifle.
Kids older than 12 can carry shotguns and rifles, and 13 year olds don't need a hunting license to do so.
Judge Schroeder stated that this law was complicated and he needed to review it.
So what charge did Kyle obviously violate?
Sounds like the Judge finally threw out this nonsense charge, which was filed by the racist Libtard Prosecutor who had to be taught the Law by Rittenhouse during the trial.
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I have read that Kyle is part hispanic, I think it was 6ix who posted that. If true, any mention of that has been scrubbed by the Fake News Libtard search engines.
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:
Judge Drops Rittenhouse Gun Charge, Finds He Legally Carried AR-15 In Kenosha
https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/judge-drops-rittenhouse-gun-charge-f
inds-he-legally-carried-ar-15-kenosha
Or, for those who bother to follow the embedded link...
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Was Rittenhouse’s Possession of the AR-15 Unlawful?
Johnathan Turley
In covering the motions hearing last week in the trial of Kyle Rittenhouse, I noted a surprising comment from Judge Bruce Schroeder that he had “spent hours” with the Wisconsin gun law and could not state with certainty what it means in this case. The statement could effectively knock out the misdemeanor gun possession count — the one count that could still be in play for the jury after the prosecution’s case on the more serious offense appeared to collapse in court. A close examination of that provision reveals ample reason to question not just its meaning but its application to this case.
The unlawful possession of the gun has been a prominent fact cited not only by the prosecutors but the press.
At trial, however, prosecutor Thomas Binger at points seemed to be learning the governing law from Rittenhouse. For example, he pressed Rittenhouse on why he did not just purchase a handgun rather than an AR-15. Rittenhouse replied he could not possess a hand gun at his age. Binger then asked in apparent disbelief that the law allowed him to have an AR-15 but not a handgun and Rittenhouse said yes. Binger then moved on after seemingly drawing out a point for the defense.
The exchange was all the more baffling because it drew attention to the fact that one of Binger’s alleged “victims” was an adult named Gaige Grosskreutz who also decided to bring a handgun to the protests and pointed his .40 caliber Glock at the head of Rittenhouse when he was shot in the arm.
However, the most damaging moment came outside of the presence of the jury when the judge drilled down on the law. He told the prosecutors “I have been wrestling with this statute with, I’d hate to count the hours I’ve put into it, I’m still trying to figure out what it says, what’s prohibited. I have a legal education.” He added that he failed to understand how an “ordinary citizen” could understand what is illegal.
It is hard to understand how the count could be given to the jury without a clear understanding of what it means. It is also hard to instruct a jury on an ambiguous statute. Criminal laws are supposed to be interpreted narrowly. It is called the “rule of lenity” and has been around in the English system for centuries. For example, in 1547, the court was faced with a law making it a felony to steal “Horses, Geldings or Mares.” Given the use of plural nouns, the court ruled that it did not apply to stealing just one horse.
The problem with the Wisconsin statute is not a problem of pluralization but definition. It is not clear that the statute actually bars possession by Rittenhouse. Indeed, it may come down to the length of Rittenhouse’s weapon and the prosecutors never bothered to measure it and place it into evidence.
In Wisconsin, minors cannot possess short-barreled rifles under Section 941.28. Putting aside the failure to put evidence into the record to claim such a short length, it does not appear to be the case here. Rittenhouse used a Smith & Wesson MP-15 with an advertised barrel length of 16 inches and the overall length is 36.9 inches. That is not a short barrel.
Then there is the rest of the statute and ultimately the word “and.” Under Section 948.60(2)(a) (“Possession of a dangerous weapon by a person under 18”), “[a]ny person under 18 years of age who possesses or goes armed with a dangerous weapon is guilty of a Class A misdemeanor.” That makes Rittenhouse guilty, right?
Well, you then have to look at the subsection (c), which states that “This section appNOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME