Bob Woodward’s New Book, ‘Fear’
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The Wildest Things About Trump From Bob Woodward’s New Book, ‘Fear’
The veteran journalist’s new book says Trump’s behavior is similar to former President Richard Nixon’s during his final days in office.
John Dowd, Trump’s lead attorney with the Russia probe, led a practice session for Trump’s potential testimony with special counsel Robert Mueller, who is investigating possible Russian interference in the 2016 election. According to the book, the president stumbled, contradicted himself and lied so much during the practice session that he eventually lost his cool, ranting, “This thing’s a goddamn hoax,” before deciding, “I don’t really want to testify.”
After Trump said “both sides” at the Charlottesville white supremacist rally were to blame for the violence that occurred in August 2017, advisers urged him to make another speech condemning white supremacists and neo-Nazis. According to Woodward, he almost immediately told aides, “That was the biggest fucking mistake I’ve made” and the “worst speech I’ve ever given.”
Woodward also compared Trump’s paranoia about the Russia investigation as very similar to former President Richard Nixon’s final days as president. According to sources, the president was angered by Mueller’s appointment, saying “Everybody’s trying to get me.”
During a dinner with various military leaders including Defense Secretary Jim Mattis and Gen. Joseph F. Dunford Jr., the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Trump falsely suggested Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) cowardly took advantage of his father’s military rank to get early release from a prisoner-of-war camp in Vietnam. When Mattis corrected his boss, Trump just replied, “Oh, okay.”
Trump reportedly mocked Attorney General Jeff Sessions’ accent, saying, “This guy is mentally retarded. He’s this dumb Southerner. … He couldn’t even be a one-person country lawyer down in Alabama.”
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-bob-woodward-fear_us
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Report: Trump said condemning white supremacists was his 'biggest' mistake
President Trump reportedly thinks condemning white supremacists after the deadly 2017 rally in Charlottesville, Virginia, was the "biggest f---ing mistake" he's made as president, Bob Woodward's forthcoming book Fear reports. Trump had said that "both sides" caused violence that led to one counterprotester's death, drawing contempt from Chief of Staff John Kelly and resignation threat from former National Economic Council Director Gary Cohn, per excerpts from Fear published Tuesday by The Washington Post. Trump has also called Attorney General Jeff Sessions "mentally retarded" and declared he wanted to "f---ing kill" Syrian President Bashar al-Assad, per Woodward's reporting, while Kelly has reportedly declared Trump to be an "idiot" in charge of a White House dubbed "Crazytown."
http://theweek.com/5things/793997/report-trump-said-condemning-white-s
upremacists-biggest-mistake
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Saddam has WMD!!! Be afraid!! Be very afraid!!!
Or, employ a little bit of skepticism. A book filled with gossip, released two months before the elections? Gee, whooda thunk?
Personally, I'd ignore everything that was anonymously sourced, and only pay attention to statements with names attached. At least you can follow up with that.
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Or, employ a little bit of skepticism. A book filled with gossip, released two months before the elections? Gee, whooda thunk?
Skepticism is always a good idea with publishing. I disagree with your using the term "gossip" though. Sure, there are no rules but to me gossip implies 'hearing about something that happened from someone else', i.e. you weren't there yourself. Woodward was there for direct comments form the people quoted in the book, it wasn't third hand. Besides, so many of the comments fit with what most of us already know about the president: he's a f*cking moron and unhinged, so what's new?
2 months before the election? Why not two weeks?
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Personally, I'd ignore everything that was anonymously sourced, and only pay attention to statements with names attached. At least you can follow up with that.
If the president can use anon sources then why can't the press?
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Quote:He does? I guess I pay so little attention that I don't even know when it happened.
If the president can use anon sources then why can't the press?
Gossip: Somebody (Woodward) said that somebody (anonymous) said.
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The problem sig has is what Woodward writes is not anonymously sourced.
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Quote:Is it gossip if Trump does it in writing? Yesterday?
Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:He does? I guess I pay so little attention that I don't even know when it happened.
If the president can use anon sources then why can't the press?
Gossip: Somebody (Woodward) said that somebody (anonymous) said.
The president of the United States — the country’s chief law-enforcement officer — is berating his own Attorney General for bringing criminal charges against two Republicans. There’s no question that the indictments against Reps. Duncan Hunter and Chris Collins were entirely proper: the evidence against both men was significant and the allegations against them were serious. And yet Trump seems to think they shouldn’t have been charged because it hurts Republican chances of keeping control of the House. Note that there is no attempt at subtlety here. He just flat-out thinks a Republican attorney general shouldn’t bring criminal cases against Republican members of Congress if it might hurt the Republican Party.
And Trump had more "gossip" to go, where Trump tweets out some top secrets yesterday, at www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2018/09/three-tweets/
"However, Donald Trump — because he’s too dumb to realize what he’s done — has now tweeted out a story that tells the truth for everyone to read. What an idiot."
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Quote:“Let’s fucking kill him! Let’s go in. Let’s kill the fucking lot of them,” Trump told Secretary of Defense Jim Mattis, referring to Assad and his forces. After hanging up with Trump, according to Woodward, the secretary told one of his senior staffers: “We’re not going to do any of that. We’re going to be much more measured.”
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Saddam has WMD!!! Be afraid!! Be very afraid!!!
Mattis’s more restrained response is what Trump ultimately authorized. But it’s completely possible that without Mattis’s intervention, the US would’ve launched a larger-scale strike to try to kill Assad. That would certainly have angered Assad’s main backer, Russia, and may have led to a broader Washington-Moscow confrontation.
So Trump is apparently fine with assassinating foreign leaders — at least in theory. That’s quite an insight into how Trump wants to use his military.
Perhaps that should be expected: In 2011, Trump said that Obama should kill Libyan leader Muammar Qaddafi, then take payment in oil from grateful Libyans. Kill for Oil.
“Now we should go in, we should stop this guy, which would be very easy and very quick,” Trump said in a video blog. “We should do on a humanitarian basis, immediately go into Libya, knock this guy out ... and save the lives.”
www.buzzfeednews.com/article/andrewkaczynski/trump-says-removing-gadda
fi-was-mistake-but-pushed-for-libya#.feeoQykrD
www.vox.com/2018/9/4/17819298/woodward-book-fear-trump-north-korea-mat
tis-syria-assad
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ANOTHER Trump trashing book, they should have a section at book stores just for them.
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I don't follow Twitter and so I don't really pay attention to Trump tweets.
Quote:But I have noticed something interesting about the Trump WH ... if Trump says you're a great guy (or gal) you're probably about to be fired. So what does it mean if Trump constantly gripes about you? Because, for all the tweets ... Sessions is still in place, isn't he?
Is it gossip if Trump does it in writing? Yesterday? The president of the United States — the country’s chief law-enforcement officer — is berating his own Attorney General for bringing criminal charges against two Republicans.
:shrug:
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Quote:The entire point was that Trump does NOT want the law enforced against Republicans. Trump expected that Sessions' understanding of the law was the same as Trump's law: DO NOT CHARGE REPUBLICANS. That "law" only proves Trump is ignorant. Where will Trump find a replacement for Sessions? It would have to be somebody who believed his job was to not charge Republicans. Somebody who believed that probably would not be confirmed by the Senate, especially if Sessions was asked to testify why he was fired.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I don't follow Twitter and so I don't really pay attention to Trump tweets.Quote:But I have noticed something interesting about the Trump WH ... if Trump says you're a great guy (or gal) you're probably about to be fired. So what does it mean if Trump constantly gripes about you? Because, for all the tweets ... Sessions is still in place, isn't he?
Is it gossip if Trump does it in writing? Yesterday? The president of the United States — the country’s chief law-enforcement officer — is berating his own Attorney General for bringing criminal charges against two Republicans.
:shrug:
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Where's Bernstein? Did they break up like Cheech and Chong did?
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Quote:The entire point is that IF Trump's supposed dislike of Sessions is one giant head-fake, why should I not wonder if Trump's criticism of the indictments is ALSO a giant head-fake?
The entire point was that Trump does NOT want the law enforced against Republicans.
I'm holding my judgment in abeyance. There are two narratives out there, both of them sound equally preposterous. The first is that Trump is a brain-dead stooge who would have never made it into the WH without Russian help ("help" to date seems pretty paltry and ineffectual.) That the Russians have some sort of "dirt" on Trump ... something about getting peed on by hookers ... which is worse that what Trump has already been accused of?
The second narrative is that Trump is a preternaturally devious mastermind, who has cooked up an entire scheme to bring down the deep state and its M$M partners, and that he's accomplished this partly by appearing to be imbecilic and irrational. I would think that the second version is completely out of the question except that I then recall the VERY long list of DOJ and FBI officers who've been fired, demoted, or resigned. So somebody somewhere must be doing SOMEthing to drain the swamp ...
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Quote:There is a third narrative out there: Trump is imperious, impatient and immature, a King Baby of presidents, a man who is incapable of rising to the demands of the most important job on earth.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I'm holding my judgment in abeyance. There are two narratives out there, both of them sound equally preposterous.
Trump makes the case against himself at
www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/9/5/17819008/donald-trump-impeach
ment-sessions-kavanaugh-woodward
"It is a strange truism of this White House that the most damning, unanswerable, unforgettable revelations come from President Trump himself."
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
The entire point is that IF Trump's supposed dislike of Sessions is one giant head-fake, why should I not wonder if Trump's criticism of the indictments is ALSO a giant head-fake?
It's pretty standard Trump tactics to use bullying and berating to INFLUENCE people - in this case, to INFLUENCE Sessions to end the Mueller investigation and protect pro-Trump anyone.
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I'm holding my judgment in abeyance. There are two narratives out there, both of them sound equally preposterous. The first is that Trump is a brain-dead stooge who would have never made it into the WH without Russian help ("help" to date seems pretty paltry and ineffectual.) That the Russians have some sort of "dirt" on Trump ... something about getting peed on by hookers ... which is worse that what Trump has already been accused of?
No one cares about the hookers' stuff for the very reason you mentioned (he's already admitted to similar) unless you're trying to sell questionable books OR trying to undercut the Dossier = Republicans.
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
The second narrative is that Trump is a preternaturally devious mastermind, who has cooked up an entire scheme to bring down the deep state and its M$M partners, and that he's accomplished this partly by appearing to be imbecilic and irrational. I would think that the second version is completely out of the question except that I then recall the VERY long list of DOJ and FBI officers who've been fired, demoted, or resigned. So somebody somewhere must be doing SOMEthing to drain the swamp ...
Being fired or demoted or resigning does not make someone guilty of any crimes does it? Actual real criminal activity seems to be the sole specialty of Trump's campaign gang.
And yes, someone somewhere is draining the swamp - Mueller.
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Quote:And a fourth narrative: Trump's intolerance for The Way Things Are Done In DC is exactly what is needed to drain the swamp.
There is a third narrative out there: Trump is imperious, impatient and immature, a King Baby of presidents, a man who is incapable of rising to the demands of the most important job on earth.- SECOND
We can probably ping-pong these ideas around forever, but I long ago decided to not pay attention to what politicians SAY (not even on Twitter!) and instead pay attention to what politicians DO (and, the follow-on effect that their actions have).
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FOR EXAMPLE (This is about Obama, so if you don't want to read it just skip this para) despite all of Obama's blah-nlah-blah, he continued throwing money at big banks, and was a friend of big corporations and globalists and did nothing to reverse the increasing wealth gap. Despite his talk about the most transparent government ever, he prosecuted more whistleblowers than all previous Presidents COMBINED and ramped up surveillance to near-universality (until he was outed). And altho he voted against the Iraq War (one of the reasons that I voted for him over Hillary in 2008) he still believed in interfering everywhere, just more cheaply, using the CIA, NGOs, spec ops, proxies, and mercs. Yanno, "leading from behind".
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So I look at Trump, and so far he hasn't started any new wars ... which is a big change from the previous five Presidents and a giant plus. He backed out of the TTP and TTIP, also a giant plus, since our regulatory decisions remain in the hands (and courts) of our local and national governments. He's more successful at controlling/discouraging illegal immigration than previous Presidents, also a big plus. He seems to be draining deep state actors (unelected officials who defy democratic control) within the FBI and DOJ, one person at a time, which is a good thing but there is still a lot more to go. So far the CIA, NSA, and Pentagon remain untouched. (But, as I think about it, his habit of hiring and firing people from the WH might be another way of taking people out of power. All of that "churn" may have a purpose.) And he's causing the M$M to discredit itself. He is TRYING to set the stage for the re-industrialization of the United States, which I think is extremely important for both national security AND economic resilience, and reduce our "entanglements" abroad which put a huge financial burden on the USA economy and which disadvantage us relative to Germany, Japan, and S Korea.
On the other hand, he increased the Federal deficit tremendously (altho it's already so high as to be unpayable), will set up a socially-conservative Supreme Court, is trashing our environmental regulations, and defunding government welfare/assistance programs.
His record on achieving peace with N Korea and in the Mideast (Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, Iran, Palestine) in yet to be written.
Of all of the negatives that I perceive with the Trump administration, only one (Supreme Court) is irreversible in the medium term. (And THAT can be countered by Congress writing better legislation.)
There is life beyond Trump.
So far, he's creating a better situation than when he arrived in office. The next term President (whether that's him or someone else) will have a much better platform from which to act.
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Quote:White House touts 52 ‘accomplishments'
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
There is life beyond Trump.
So far, he's creating a better situation than when he arrived in office. The next term President (whether that's him or someone else) will have a much better platform from which to act.
"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND
Signed the biggest package of tax cuts and reforms in history. After tax cuts, over $300 billion dollars poured back in to the U.S. in the first quarter alone.
As a result of our tax bill, small businesses will have the lowest top marginal tax rate in more than 80 years.
Opened ANWR & Approved Keystone XL and Dakota Access Pipelines.
Obamacare individual mandate penalty GONE.
Increased our coal exports by 60%; U.S. oil production recently reached all-time high.
Withdrew the United States from the job-killing Paris Climate Accord.
Canceled the illegal, anti-coal, so-called Clean Power Plan.
Secured record $700 billion dollars in military funding; $716 billion next year.
Process has begun to make the Space Force the 6th branch of the armed forces.
Confirmed more circuit court judges than any other new administration.
Confirmed Supreme Court Justice Neil Gorsuch; Nominated Judge Brett Kavanagh.
Withdrew from the horrible, one-sided Iran Deal.
Moved U.S. Embassy to Jerusalem.
Issued executive order to keep open Guantanamo Bay.
We have begun BUILDING THE WALL. Republicans want STRONG BORDERS and NO CRIME. Democrats want OPEN BORDERS which equals MASSIVE CRIME.
More at www.washingtonexaminer.com/washington-secrets/list-white-house-touts-5
3-accomplishments-woodward-ignored
or
https://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/sanders-woodward-trump-book-fab
ricated
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Where's Bernstein? Did they break up like Cheech and Chong did?
Do Right, Be Right. :)
Wow, you really are totally culturally uneducated. It's mind blowing. You must be living under a rock. Your post goes a long way in explaining why all your opinions and beliefs come from a place of ignorance.
Add to that your admittance that you don't source information because you see everyone as lying. That you read something here and then formulate a opinion based on well, nothin from nothin equals nothin.
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How about responding to my post, SECOND, instead of once again splattering the board with second-hand opinions? Many of the points that you quoted I consider to be temporary, so whether you (or I) think that they're positive or negative it pretty pointless.
For example:
Quote:could be reversed with changing market forces while
Increased our coal exports by 60%
Quote:fracking, so capital-intensive, is completely dependent on low interest rates and would collapse with higher rates, while
U.S. oil production recently reached all-time high
Quote:is taking credit for Congress' stalling Gitmo's closure under Obama. (if it was closed already, Trump wouldn't be able to "keep" it open).
Issued executive order to keep open Guantanamo Bay
Higher military spending? Can be undone by Congress. Space Force? Small potatoes, funding-wise (plus, the Air Force wants to keep space programs under its wing, so to speak. You might not see a lot of development on this.) Withdrew from Paris Climate Accord but was able to keep regulatory decisions "at home", so once the regulatory climate changes (so to speak) the USA will be free to adopt its own approach (which might otherwise conflict with transnationals' "normal and expected profits"). Backing out of the Iran deal ... there was something hinky going on with the original deal. I'm still trying to puzzle that one out, but I think Trump should have stayed in.
HOWEVER, what I find interesting is that Trump is pissing off the Europeans so badly that they might actually set up their own SWIFT and military; not a bad thing for the USA, I think.
Being able to set up a cohort of conservative judges is important and difficult to reverse.
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Trumps nothing but a whack job. Those who continue to support his lunacy and corrupt ways only expose themselves to be loonies as well.
I have news for them. As he crashes and burns so do they. Although they've already lost all credibility as being factual or truthful and of sound mind, Trump going down will be the icing on the cake as far as sealing the deal on their intelligence, or lack thereof.
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Quote:Well, we shall see what we shall see. I gave Obama a year to prove himself (which is why I voted for Jill Stein after his first term). I voted against Bush from the very start. Bill had a year too, I believe I voted for Ralph Nader for Bill's second term. I tend to give Democrats the benefit of the doubt, but last election I had no doubt at all about Hillary and so I voted for Trump.
Originally posted by THG:
Trumps nothing but a whack job. Those who continue to support his lunacy and corrupt ways only expose themselves to be loonies as well.
I have news for them. As he crashes and burns so do they. Although they've already lost all credibility as being factual or truthful and of sound mind, Trump going down will be the icing on the cake as far as sealing the deal on their intelligence, or lack thereof.
So far, Trump is keeping his campaign promises. Some of them are ill-advised, some of them are necessary for the USA. Possibly everything terrible said about Trump is true, but I'm a "results" person. So waiting to see the net result.
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What sig doesn't want to admit to is that many of Trumps promises were ill-conceived in the first place. Not good ideas at all. Another thing sig won't admit to, is that Trumps ignorance of the issues is visible and he is doing more harm than good. He's just fucking things up.
Here's a promise he made that is a prime example of his bullshit. He said he would take no vacations while he was president.
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Quote:Is reading with comprehension not your "thing" What did i just post, THUGR??? here, let me quote it for you ...
Originally posted by THG:
What sig doesn't want to admit to is that many of Trumps promises were ill-conceived in the first place. Not good ideas at all.
Quote:You really should stop arguing with the voices in your head; things will go a LOT better if you do!
Some of them are ill-advised, some of them are necessary for the USA.
Quote:It's entirely possible that he understands "the issues" just fine, but disagrees completely with the "business as usual" solutions.
Another thing sig won't admit to, is that Trumps ignorance of the issues is visible and he is doing more harm than good. He's just fucking things up.
Now, I'm not defending Trump. I'm withholding judgment. The Q-anon crowd are promising some big reveal "any day now"; they have until the end of Trump's first term to make good on their promises. Until then, I'll be evaluating the effects of Trump's first term in office.
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Quote:The "result" can all be credited to the GOP, not to Trump. Pence could step in to the Presidency and get the same results. Trump lawyer Dowd’s account of a disastrous practice interview confirms our suspicions that Trump literally cannot tell the truth: “I’m not going to sit there and let him look like an idiot. And you publish that transcript, because everything leaks in Washington, and the guys overseas are going to say, ‘I told you he was an idiot. I told you he was a goddamn dumbbell. What are we dealing with this idiot for?'”
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
So far, Trump is keeping his campaign promises. Some of them are ill-advised, some of them are necessary for the USA. Possibly everything terrible said about Trump is true, but I'm a "results" person. So waiting to see the net result.
"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND
This is a president who cannot distinguish lies from truth (and cannot speak without lying). His lies are coming at a faster clip, and the inability to rely on anything he says is potentially paralyzing for Congress, America’s allies and the military. His statements concerning the Russia investigation, we know, are chock-full of lies (e.g., bugging Trump Tower, a spy “planted” on his campaign).
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Quote:Not true. As far as the TPP and the TTIP are concerned, it was Obama and Congressional GOP who were FOR the free trade agreements, Trump was against them.
So far, Trump is keeping his campaign promises. Some of them are ill-advised, some of them are necessary for the USA. Possibly everything terrible said about Trump is true, but I'm a "results" person. So waiting to see the net result. - SIGNY
The "result" can all be credited to the GOP, not to Trump. - SECOND
https://washingtonsblog.com/2016/03/obama-congressional-republicans-in
tend-pass-tpp-law.html
Establishment Republicans are against tariffs, Trump is for them.
Making nice with Russia? Trump is experiencing a lot of pushback from neocons of BOTH parties... another conflict with the GOP.
The GOP seems conflicted about illegal immigration, seeing as they can't seem to pass a reform bill - even tho they have majorities in both houses.
There are policies where Trump and the GOP are on the same page, such as tax cuts and conservative social agenda, but many important places where they aren't. Trump isn't really a Republican, altho he ran on the Republican ticket. His goals are from the entire political spectrum.
Quote:Trump made certain campaign promises, and he's doing more to fulfill them than any other President that I can recall. OTOH, he speaks VERY imprecisely and often only approximates the truth: For example, while Trump Tower was not TECHNICALLY "wiretapped" ... or at least the alphabet agencies aren't willing to admit to it ... it's clear that his campaign WAS being intensely spied on. There are a lot of other examples of the same. He's also prone to exaggerating ridiculous things. Plus, I swear to god, he deliberately feeds misinformation to/trolls the M$M. So overall, I don't pay much attention to what he SAYS. Or, what people say "about" him. What I need to look at are results.
This is a president who cannot distinguish lies from truth (and cannot speak without lying).
I don't expect a President to be able to make much headway in his first term. The effects of some "accomplishments", like the pro-bank/financial sector/speculation, pro-intellectual property, and pro-free trade laws that Clinton signed, or the crazy-assed deficit spending/pro-wealthy tax cuts that Bush signed, may not show up for six years or more. I know that the implications of the "Commodities Futures Trading Modernization Act" went right by me. But one SHOULD be able to get a view of the trends being established in term one. Right now, the Trump administration is cloaked in unpredictability. Whether this is deliberate or a result of a confused President is anyone's guess, so I'm waiting for definitive results to become evident.
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Random headlines:
Secretary Mattis fires back at claims in Woodward's book
Kelly Denies Woodward Book 'Fear' Claim He Called Trump Idiot
Ex-Trump lawyer John Dowd disputes details in Bob Woodward book
"Former George W. Bush press secretary Ari Fleischer ... added: "Anonymous sources have looser lips and may take liberties. But Woodward always plays it straight. Someone told it to him.""
So quoting anonymous sources who make things up makes it 'true', eh Ari?
THUGGER admits it's not about RUSSIA !!! and is, in fact, a witch hunt. "Trump better be innocent of any wrong doing, anywhere, anytime."
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The TOP COMMENT to this op-ed is ...
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But the deep state is just a conspiracy theory!
Quote:Worst? Like ... what?
The Times prefaces the piece with this disclaimer:
The Times today is taking the rare step of publishing an anonymous Op-Ed essay. We have done so at the request of the author, a senior official in the Trump administration whose identity is known to us and whose job would be jeopardized by its disclosure. We believe publishing this essay anonymously is the only way to deliver an important perspective to our readers. We invite you to submit a question about the essay or our vetting process here.
A senior White House official has published an anonymous op-ed in the New York Times titled:
I Am Part of the Resistance Inside the Trump Administration (I work for the president but like-minded colleagues and I have vowed to thwart parts of his agenda and his worst inclinations.
President Trump is facing a test to his presidency unlike any faced by a modern American leader.
It’s not just that the special counsel looms large. Or that the country is bitterly divided over Mr. Trump’s leadership. Or even that his party might well lose the House to an opposition hellbent on his downfall.
The dilemma — which he does not fully grasp — is that many of the senior officials in his own administration are working diligently from within to frustrate parts of his agenda and his worst inclinations.
Quote:The FBI? The CIA? The NSA?
I would know. I am one of them.
To be clear, ours is not the popular “resistance” of the left. We want the administration to succeed and think that many of its policies have already made America safer and more prosperous.
But we believe our first duty is to this country, and the president continues to act in a manner that is detrimental to the health of our republic.
That is why many Trump appointees have vowed to do what we can to preserve our democratic institutions
Quote:Huh. So establishment Republicans don't like Trump because he's against ...
while thwarting Mr. Trump’s more misguided impulses until he is out of office.
The root of the problem is the president’s amorality. Anyone who works with him knows he is not moored to any discernible first principles that guide his decision making.
Although he was elected as a Republican, the president shows little affinity for ideals long espoused by conservatives: free minds, free markets and free people.
"...free minds" I have no idea what a "free mind" is, or how Trump is against that. Bloviation, perhaps.
"...free markets" Well, yes, he's against free trade. That much is clear, and that's why some people voted for him
"... free people" Again, what does this mean? Does this person think that Trump should be "freeing" people all around the world? Hard to tell. But knowing conservative Republicans, I suspect that to them free minds = free markets, and free people = free markets, so this is probably really all about free trade.
Quote:It is. It IS, however, a child of the corporations and the bosom-buddy of the alphabet agencies
At best, he has invoked these ideals in scripted settings. At worst, he has attacked them outright.
In addition to his mass-marketing of the notion that the press is the “enemy of the people,”
Quote:Yes
President Trump’s impulses are generally anti-trade
Quote:How so? The author has made this claim 2.5 times by now, with not even one example.
and anti-democratic.
Quote:Typical establishment GOP goals.
Don’t get me wrong. There are bright spots that the near-ceaseless negative coverage of the administration fails to capture: effective deregulation, historic tax reform, a more robust military and more.
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But these successes have come despite — not because of — the president’s leadership style, which is impetuous, adversarial, petty and ineffective.
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I haven't decided whether that op-ed is genuine or not, who the audience is suppose to be, what it's purpose is short term or long term. It has a phony ring to it often but that could just be poor writing skills. Is it Pence as some have suggested, trying to save his future, seeing the way the world is swaying? Don McGahn? I bet we'll know soon enough.
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Quote:You could certainly decide that Trump is more than half crazy. He is never calm : Trump responded by questioning whether the anonymous senior White House official even existed, tweeting: "Does the so-called 'Senior Administration Official' really exist, or is it just the Failing New York Times with another phony source? If the GUTLESS anonymous person does indeed exist, the Times must, for National Security purposes, turn him/her over to government at once!"
Originally posted by captaincrunch:
I haven't decided whether that op-ed is genuine or not, who the audience is suppose to be, what it's purpose is short term or long term. It has a phony ring to it often but that could just be poor writing skills. Is it Pence as some have suggested, trying to save his future, seeing the way the world is swaying? Don McGahn? I bet we'll know soon enough.
www.foxnews.com/us/2018/09/06/fox-news-first-trump-wants-white-house-o
fficial-behind-ny-times-op-ed-ided-doj-targets-conservative-censorship.html
In a previous tweet, Trump wrote "TREASON?" The top comment was "No, "TREASON" is when you conspire with a foreign country to rig an election in your favor..."
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1037464177269514240
Maybe Trump's lawyers will tell him that the mystery editorial writer cannot be executed for TREASON on a President's orders. If Trump does have the execution order typed and ready for his signature, maybe somebody will steal it off Trump's desk. Soon enough he will forget all about it in the dizzying swirl of chaos spinning around in the Oval Office.
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Jimmy Kimmel noted that the anonymous op-ed arrived at nearly the exact same moment as Bob Woodward’s new book, Fear: Trump in the White House, which the president has been deriding as “total fiction.”
“He’s doing a really good job of plugging this book he thinks is total fiction,” Kimmel said.
The host added about Trump: “That would be like, for instance, someone knowingly and falsely claiming the first African-American president was born in Kenya and was not an American, you know?”
www.thedailybeast.com/jimmy-kimmel-is-sure-mike-pence-wrote-anti-trump
-new-york-times-op-ed
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What's happening is the upcoming November elections. So now the DNC, the deep state, and the complicit M$M are firing all guns to ensure that a "blue wave" overtakes Congress so that Trump can be impeached, and so that the policies that the globalists favor (expanded "security state", "free trade", Russophobia/constant foreign intervention, increasing illegal immigration etc) can be re-instated.
CNN STOOD BY ITS "QUOTE" of Cohen's lawyer (that Trump knew of the meeting in Trump Tower ahead of time) only to have it go down in flames.
WOODWARD'S BOOK ISN'T HAVING THE IMPACT THEY WERE HOPING FOR. Too many "named" sources are disavowing their "quotes", and the rest of the book ... based on anonymous sources ... doesn't even make good toilet paper.
THE NEW YORK TIMES STANDS BY ITS ANONYMOUS EDITORIAL. They claim to know WHO wrote it, and that this person really is a "senior official", but the editorial seems to have BACKFIRED with some center and left media sources.
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Trump Saboteur Op-Ed Backfires: LA Times Calls "A Coward"; Greenwald: "Unelected Cabal"
An op-ed written in the New York Times by an anonymous "senior official in the Trump administration" has drawn harsh rebuke from both sides of the aisle and beyond - after everyone from President Trump to Glenn Greenwald to the Los Angeles Times chimed in with various criticisms.
The author, who claims to be actively working against Trump incollusionconspiracy with other senior officials in what they call a "resistance inside the Trump administration," has now been labeled everything from a coward, to treasonous, to nonexistent.
Trump supporters, also as expected, slammed the op-ed as either pure fiction or treason - a suggestion Trump made earlier Wednesday. What we don't imagine the anonymous author or the Times saw coming was the onslaught of criticism coming from the center and left - those who stand to benefit the most from Trump's fall from grace, or at least probably wouldn't mind it.
In an op-ed which appeared hours after the NYT piece, Jessica Roy of the Los Angeles Times writes:
"No, anonymous Trump official, you're not 'part of the resistance.' You're a coward" for not going far enough to stop Trump and in fact enabling him.
If they really believe there's a need to subvert the president to protect the country, they should be getting this person out of the White House. But they're too cowardly and afraid of the possible implications. They hand-wave the notion thusly:
“Given the instability many witnessed, there were early whispers within the cabinet of invoking the 25th Amendment, which would start a complex process for removing the president. But no one wanted to precipitate a constitutional crisis."
How is it that utilizing the 25th Amendment of the Constitution would cause a crisis, but admitting to subverting a democratically elected leader wouldn't?
If you're reading this, senior White House official, know this: You are not resisting Donald Trump. You are enabling him for your own benefit. That doesn't make you an unsung hero. It makes you a coward. -LA Times
Meanwhile, Glenn Greenwald - the Pulitzer Prize Winning co-founder of The Intercept, also called the author of the op-ed a "coward" whose ideological issues "voters didn't ratify." Greenwald continues;
"The irony in the op-ed from the NYT's anonymous WH coward is glaring and massive: s/he accuses Trump of being "anti-democratic" while boasting of membership in an unelected cabal that covertly imposes their own ideology with zero democratic accountability, mandate or transparency."
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-09-06/one-word-has-people-convince
d-mike-pence-authored-scathing-nyt-op-ed
So if this creates a backlash
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The choice is to believe comrade sig and her fake news sources, along with comrades ikik, jack and jsf, or to people who've been honorably serving this country for decades. That includes believing what the main stream media is reporting. It's an easy choice for me because I live in the world of reality.
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Quote:Signym, you are lying, again in Trump's service. The editorial writer's identity is known to the NYTimes, just not to Trump. Your panicky writing about conspiracies changes nothing, but you and Trump really have no worries. The Democrats will never get 67 Senators, which means Trump is safe. The Democrats might not break 51% in the House, which means Trump won't even be talked mean about in Congress. But Trump has extremely delicate skin. Mean talk makes him break out in a rash.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
1) The NYT received an editorial but didn't do it's due diligence, and didn't confirm the presumed source, or
2) The editorial WAS written by WH "senior staff", who outed himself as part of a conspiracy which is imposing its unelected ideology on America or,
3) The editorial was written by WH "senior staff" as part of a WH disinformation campaign.
None of these are pretty alternatives. But I'm sure that those who "trust" the M$M will somehow manage to overlook the implications of all of these "gaffes", including this last one, and bury them deeply in their memory-hole.
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2018-midterm-election-forecast/ho
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Originally posted by captaincrunch:
I haven't decided whether that op-ed is genuine or not, who the audience is suppose to be, what it's purpose is short term or long term. It has a phony ring to it often but that could just be poor writing skills. Is it Pence as some have suggested, trying to save his future, seeing the way the world is swaying? Don McGahn? I bet we'll know soon enough.
It's been said the Times knows who the source is. If that's true then what is being reported is as well and this comes from a senior advisor to the president.
Can you hear the clock ticking? I can...
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Quote:I don't think any editorial will harm Trump in the slightest. "Sticks and stones will break my bones but words will never hurt me." Trump could harm himself with voters if he does something violently stupid to discover who the anonymous editorial writer is. Since his staff is not stupid, they won't do it. So Trump is safe from whatever idiotic scheme he dreams up for his staff to execute in learning anonymous's name.
Originally posted by THG:Quote:
Originally posted by captaincrunch:
I haven't decided whether that op-ed is genuine or not, who the audience is suppose to be, what it's purpose is short term or long term. It has a phony ring to it often but that could just be poor writing skills. Is it Pence as some have suggested, trying to save his future, seeing the way the world is swaying? Don McGahn? I bet we'll know soon enough.
It's been said the Times knows who the source is. If that's true then what is being reported is as well and this comes from a senior advisor to the president.
Can you hear the clock ticking? I can...
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Quote:Then the author of the editorial just outed himself as part of a deep state conspiracy to impose on America an unelected ideology. Conspiracy to thwart a Presidency?? Isn't that something like treason?
Signym, you are lying, again in Trump's service. The editorial writer's identity is known to the NYTimes, just not to Trump. - SECOND
Like I said, SECOND, none of the alternatives are pretty, and of all of them, this is the ugliest. I proposed the other two alternatives so as to give the both the author AND the NYT the benefit of the doubt.
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Quote:I don't think any editorial will harm Trump in the slightest. "Sticks and stones will break my bones but words will never hurt me." Trump could harm himself with voters if he does something violently stupid to discover who the anonymous editorial writer is. Since his staff is not stupid, they won't do it. So Trump is safe from whatever idiotic scheme he dreams up for his staff to execute in learning anonymous's name.
Originally posted by second:Quote:
Originally posted by THG:Quote:
Originally posted by captaincrunch:
I haven't decided whether that op-ed is genuine or not, who the audience is suppose to be, what it's purpose is short term or long term. It has a phony ring to it often but that could just be poor writing skills. Is it Pence as some have suggested, trying to save his future, seeing the way the world is swaying? Don McGahn? I bet we'll know soon enough.
It's been said the Times knows who the source is. If that's true then what is being reported is as well and this comes from a senior advisor to the president.
Can you hear the clock ticking? I can...
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Trump is cracking. He is realizing that the crimes he committed by colluding with the Russians for decades, helping them to money launder could destroy his businesses. Remember, Trump lives in dept. Those loans and debts could be called in.
Add to that the trouble his family is in. No, he's cracking. Lets also hope that the republicans see the writing on the wall and start to do the right thing when it comes to this country.
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Originally posted by second:
You could certainly decide that Trump is more than half crazy. He is never calm : Trump responded by questioning whether the anonymous senior White House official even existed, tweeting: "Does the so-called 'Senior Administration Official' really exist, or is it just the Failing New York Times with another phony source? If the GUTLESS anonymous person does indeed exist, the Times must, for National Security purposes, turn him/her over to government at once!"
Maybe Trump's lawyers will tell him that the mystery editorial writer cannot be executed for TREASON on a President's orders. If Trump does have the execution order typed and ready for his signature, maybe somebody will steal it off Trump's desk. Soon enough he will forget all about it in the dizzying swirl of chaos spinning around in the Oval Office.
I believe that Trump is crazier than most people realize, even those that follow his tweets and speeches and already think he's crazy. He's. Even. Crazier.
Timothy O'Brien, author of TrumpNation: The Art of Being the Donald, has said that when he sees reports of things "getting increasingly crazy" at the White House he has to laugh a bit. "He's always been that crazy and he always will be that crazy."
Tick Tock
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Saddam has WMD!!! Be afraid!! Be very afraid!!!
Or, employ a little bit of skepticism. A book filled with gossip, released two months before the elections? Gee, whooda thunk?
Personally, I'd ignore everything that was anonymously sourced, and only pay attention to statements with names attached. At least you can follow up with that.
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An anonymous NYT op-ed, which the paper said was written by a senior administration official, asserted that appointees, serving at the highest levels of the Trump administration, have worked to 'thwart parts of his agenda and his worst inclinations.'
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Originally posted by second:Quote:Signym, you are lying, again in Trump's service. The editorial writer's identity is known to the NYTimes, just not to Trump. Your panicky writing about conspiracies changes nothing, but you and Trump really have no worries. The Democrats will never get 67 Senators, which means Trump is safe. The Democrats might not break 51% in the House, which means Trump won't even be talked mean about in Congress. But Trump has extremely delicate skin. Mean talk makes him break out in a rash.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
1) The NYT received an editorial but didn't do it's due diligence, and didn't confirm the presumed source, or
2) The editorial WAS written by WH "senior staff", who outed himself as part of a conspiracy which is imposing its unelected ideology on America or,
3) The editorial was written by WH "senior staff" as part of a WH disinformation campaign.
None of these are pretty alternatives. But I'm sure that those who "trust" the M$M will somehow manage to overlook the implications of all of these "gaffes", including this last one, and bury them deeply in their memory-hole.
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2018-midterm-election-forecast/ho
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I guess I pay so little attention that I don't even know when it happened.
Gossip: Somebody (Woodward) said that somebody (anonymous) said.
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Quote:If it is treason in Trump's opinion, in order to get the name of the anonymous editorial writer, I am all for Trump sending the entire editorial staff of the NY Times to Guantanamo. Torture them, Trump! Find out who that traitor is! (The GOP will be opposed, but why should Trump listen?)
Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:Then the author of the editorial just outed himself as part of a deep state conspiracy to impose on America an unelected ideology. Conspiracy to thwart a Presidency?? Isn't that something like treason?
Signym, you are lying, again in Trump's service. The editorial writer's identity is known to the NYTimes, just not to Trump. - SECOND
Like I said, SECOND, none of the alternatives are pretty, and of all of them, this is the ugliest. I proposed the other two alternatives so as to give the both the author AND the NYT the benefit of the doubt.
"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND
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It is not "treason" (aiding an enemy in a declared war) which is why I posted "something like treason". But I agree with Trumps sentiment. People voted for Trump because he said he would do certain things, and the deep state is busy subverting the will of the people by imposing a different agenda over a platform that people voted for.
Yanno, THUGR is always going on and on about our "democratic institutions" and yet seems to tolerate this rather large violation of the democratic process.
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Quote:Signym, you might need to clarify what "the will of the people" means and exactly what this "platform that people voted for" means. That's because Trump was the minority candidate. And then there were 200,000,000 Americans that did not vote for anybody. What was the will of those people?
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
It is not "treason" (aiding an enemy in a declared war) which is why I posted "something like treason". But I agree with Trumps sentiment. People voted for Trump because he said he would do certain things, and the deep state is busy subverting the will of the people by imposing a different agenda over a platform that people voted for.
Yanno, THUGR is always going on and on about our "democratic institutions" and yet seems to tolerate this rather large violation of the democratic process.
"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND
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Quote:It's very simple, SECOND, it's the will of the people as expressed through the currently-adopted process*. It would be impossible to hand-hold non-voters into expressing their opinion, given that it's a state-to-state issue.
It is not "treason" (aiding an enemy in a declared war) which is why I posted "something like treason". But I agree with Trumps sentiment. People voted for Trump because he said he would do certain things, and the deep state is busy subverting the will of the people by imposing a different agenda over a platform that people voted for.
Yanno, THUGR is always going on and on about our "democratic institutions" and yet seems to tolerate this rather large violation of the democratic process. - SIGNY
Signym, you might need to clarify what "the will of the people" means and exactly what this "platform that people voted for" means. That's because Trump was the minority candidate. And then there were 200,000,000 Americans that did not vote for anybody. What was the will of those people?- SECOND
*Yanno, the "democratic institutions" that THUGR goes on and on about ... the delegation of authority to each state.
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Originally posted by second:
And then there were 200,000,000 Americans that did not vote for anybody. What was the will of those people?
In the case of 45,200,000, their opinion doesn't matter.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/306623/percentage-of-population-un
der-18-years-in-the-us-by-state-and/
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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This opinion, written by someone who obviously has spent a lot more time thinking about this than I did.
Quote:Yes, I was wondering about that ...
We Are Being Played
If any evidence existed to be found that Donald Trump had illegally colluded with the Russian government to rig the 2016 presidential election, that evidence would have been picked up by the sprawling surveillance networks of the US and its allies and leaked to the Washington Post before Obama left office.
Russiagate is like a mirage. From a distance it looks like a solid, tangible thing, but when you actually move in to examine it critically you find nothing but gaping plot holes, insinuation, innuendo, conflicting narratives, bizarre mental contortions to avoid acknowledging contradictory information, a few arrests for corruption and process crimes, and a lot of hot air. The whole thing has been held together by nothing but the confident-sounding assertions of pundits and politicians and sheer, mindless repetition. And, as we approach the two year mark since this president’s election, we have not seen one iota of movement toward removing him from office. The whole thing’s a lie, and the smart movers and shakers behind it are aware that it is a lie.
And yet they keep beating on it. Day after day after day after day it’s been Russia, Russia, Russia, Russia. Instead of attacking this president for his many, many real problems in a way that will do actual damage, they attack this fake blow-up doll standing next to him in a way that never goes anywhere and never will, like a pro wrestler theatrically stomping on the canvass next to his downed foe.
What’s up with that?
As you doubtless already know by now, the New York Times has made the wildly controversial decision to publish an anonymous op-ed reportedly authored by “a senior official in the Trump administration.” The op-ed’s author claims to be part of a secret coalition of patriots who dislike Trump and are “working diligently from within to frustrate parts of his agenda and his worst inclinations.” These “worst inclinations” according to the author include trying to make peace with Moscow and Pyongyang, being rude to longtime US allies, saying mean things about the media, being “anti-trade”, and being “erratic”. The possibility of invoking the 25th Amendment is briefly mentioned but dismissed. The final paragraphs are spent gushing about John McCain for no apparent reason.
I strongly encourage you to read the piece in its entirety, because for all the talk and drama it’s generating, it doesn’t actually make any sense. While you are reading it, I encourage you to keep the following question in mind: what could anyone possibly gain by authoring this and giving it to the New York Times?
Quote:Yes, good question.
Seriously, what could be gained? The op-ed says essentially nothing, other than to tell readers to relax and trust in anonymous administration insiders who are working against the bad guys on behalf of the people (which is interestingly the exact same message of the right-wing 8chan conspiracy phenomenon QAnon, just with the white hats and black hats reversed). Why would any senior official risk everything to publish something so utterly pointless? Why risk getting fired (or risk losing all political currency in the party if NYTAnon is Mike Pence, as has been theorized) just to communicate something to the public that doesn’t change or accomplish anything? Why publicly announce your undercover conspiracy to undermine the president in a major news outlet at all?
Quote:
What are the results of this viral op-ed everyone’s talking about? So far it’s a bunch of Democratic partisans making a lot of excited whooping noises, and Trump loyalists feeling completely vindicated in the belief that all of their conspiracy theories have been proven correct. Many rank-and-file Trump haters are feeling a little more relaxed and complacent knowing that there are a bunch of McCain-loving “adults in the room” taking care of everything, and many rank-and-fileNOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:Signym, there is no reason to wonder, but you do because you're deaf and blind to what is plainly obvious. For example, an average German is neither a Democrat nor a Republican nor an Independent. Yet they can see and hear what is wrong with Trump. That doesn't make them scientific instruments flawlessly detecting "wrongness", but they can smell the rotten stink coming off of Trump. (I could smell it years ago from his "management" books, then the way he ran his casinos, and then his TV show. What a rotten businessman Trump was and is):
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I too have been wondering about the reason for this attack against Trump.
Donald Trump replaces terrorism as Germans' greatest fear
The US president's policies were named as the top fear factor by 69 per cent of respondents in the annual survey.
The "Fears of Germans" poll has been carried out for over a quarter century by the R+V insurance company's Infocenter, which asks respondents which political, economic, personal and ecological issues scare them the most.
"Trump's ruthless 'America First' policy, his aggressive stance against international agreements and his no less aggressive stance on trade and security, including against allies, is scaring a majority of the population," said political scientist Manfred Schmidt.
"This is reinforced by Trump's attacks against Germany," Mr Schmidt, of the Ruprecht Karls University in Heidelberg, who advises the centre, said in a statement.
"If the US should refuse to provide military assistance to countries with supposedly low defence expenditures, this would put Germany in a difficult position, given its current inability to defend itself."
More at www.thenational.ae/world/europe/donald-trump-replaces-terrorism-as-ger
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Quote:Would it be possible to run the Electoral College as it was designed? The states wrecked the function of the college. For one example: Trump got 48% to Hillary's 47.5% in Pennsylvania. State law doesn't give a damn that nobody got a majority. Instead the law un-democratically gave 100% of the electoral votes to the guy who only won 48%. The Electoral College only exists so that the College can evaluate each candidate and its votes are to be split among the candidates. Nobody was ever suppose to get 100% of the College unless that guy got 100% of the popular vote. 48% is not 100%. This was driving the writers of the Constitution crazy two hundred years ago when the states began subverting the Constitution with the new state rule that whoever gets more votes, even if it is only 33% or 25%, will get 100% of the College votes.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:It's very simple, SECOND, it's the will of the people as expressed through the currently-adopted process*. It would be impossible to hand-hold non-voters into expressing their opinion, given that it's a state-to-state issue.
It is not "treason" (aiding an enemy in a declared war) which is why I posted "something like treason". But I agree with Trumps sentiment. People voted for Trump because he said he would do certain things, and the deep state is busy subverting the will of the people by imposing a different agenda over a platform that people voted for.
Yanno, THUGR is always going on and on about our "democratic institutions" and yet seems to tolerate this rather large violation of the democratic process. - SIGNY
Signym, you might need to clarify what "the will of the people" means and exactly what this "platform that people voted for" means. That's because Trump was the minority candidate. And then there were 200,000,000 Americans that did not vote for anybody. What was the will of those people?- SECOND
*Yanno, the "democratic institutions" that THUGR goes on and on about ... the delegation of authority to each state.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_201
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http://time.com/4558510/electoral-college-history-slavery/
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Donald Trump replaces terrorism as Germans' greatest fear
Yeah. I'm trying to sift through this one right now. Language barriers are a new thing when it comes to the challenge of debunking surveys. I'm probably only about one in a million people who actually bothered to do a little research and get this far, since none of numerous articles about this study bothered to link to it. Imagine my surprise.
https://www.ruv.de/presse/aengste-der-deutschen
I can't say that I'm used to an insurance company being the entity that conducts surveys either.
Greater breakdown of study here: https://www.ruv.de/presse/aengste-der-deutschen/grafiken-die-aengste-d
er-deutschen
What I have been able to gleen so far is that this survey was 21 questions asked to 2,335 people as young as 14 years old. I haven't found a breakdown of how many were minors, or any explanation why minors were even polled about this. I also have not been able to discern the political leanings of anybody who was surveyed either, or how many were men or women, or how many natural German citizens were polled versus immigrants, particularly from the Middle East and Africa.
The meat of the survey seems to be presented in the following PDF. Unfortunately, Google Translate claims that it is too large to translate. If anybody can find out another way to translate this, I'd appreciate it.
https://www.ruv.de/static-files/ruvde/Content/presse/die-aengste-der-d
eutschen/aengste-grafiken/ruv-aengste-grafiken.pdf
EDIT: There doesn't seem to be any breakdown presented at all about the political leanings of those surveyed. There also seems to be zero distinction between natural German citizens vs immigrants, or any information about how many men vs how many women were surveyed. This should surprise no one since under Merkle and EU leadership, Germany is the current SJW capitol of the world and any such distinctions would be considered sexist or racist.
Unless anybody digs any further to find out these pertinent details, I suggest we throw this survey out as ideological propaganda.
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Quote:Insurance company doing an opinion poll makes more sense than a university run poll. The Insurance company could add Trump insurance, along with Fire and Flood and Termite insurance, to its business. The question would be: Which are you more afraid of? Termites or Trump? Then buy insurance to protect you from your greatest fears.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I can't say that I'm used to an insurance company being the entity that conducts surveys either.
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Much like the anonymous author who detailed efforts to steer President Trump toward rational action, the Roman senator Seneca worked to prevent the emperor Nero from acting on his worst impulses.
"The Times writer describes a similar train of thought with regard to invoking the Twenty-fifth Amendment as a way of deposing Trump. “No one wanted to precipitate a constitutional crisis,” the author relates, referring back to the early days of the Administration, when such a move was contemplated. Surely this amendment was added to the Constitution to prevent, rather than cause, a crisis, but the author’s meaning is plain. Any removal of a chief executive destabilizes the structure over which he or she presides. The results might be more painful, in the long run, than his or her policy errors. Especially if those errors can be contained and restrained."
More at www.newyorker.com/culture/cultural-comment/seneca-could-have-written-t
he-anonymous-times-op-ed-about-trump
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Quote:SECOND, put your thinking cap on.
Signym, there is no reason to wonder, but you do because you're deaf and blind to what is plainly obvious. For example, an average German is neither a Democrat nor a Republican nor an Independent. Yet they can see and hear what is wrong with Trump. That doesn't make them scientific instruments flawlessly detecting "wrongness", but they can smell the rotten stink coming off of Trump. (I could smell it years ago from his "management" books, then the way he ran his casinos, and then his TV show. What a rotten businessman Trump was and is) ...- SECOND
Assume that everything the opiner (yes, it is a real word, look it up) says is absolutely true: That Trump is a thin-skinned, unstable, and dangerously ignorant person whose only skill is manipulating public opinion.
SO WHY NOT INVOKE ARTICLE 25?
Think about that for a bit before highlighting the point below. If Trump is such a dangerous person in the Presidency, why not summarily boot him out of office and replace him with Pence, who is a reliable conservative Republican much more in line with their agenda??
Select to view spoiler:
Because Trump is a USEFUL thin-skinned, unstable, and dangerously ignorant person ... one who allows them to forward their globalist/neocon agenda of impoverishing the USA by shutting off government assistance while fostering the wealth of the transnationals ... serving as a "cover" and a distraction while they do their work in the background.
So, if Trump is useful, why torpedo him NOW, and especially with this opinion piece?
And if Trump has truly outlived his usefulness -to them - why derail him with this opinion piece? Why not invoke Article 25?
Imagine that there is a group of establishment globalist/neocon "resistors" in the WH ... and with Kavanaugh they have achieved their last goal under Trump. What are their options for dealing with Trump now?
1) They can continue to babysit and resist, but with their cover now blown they'll no longer have the advantage of secrecy
2) They can invoke Article 25 and remove Trump, once and for all separating themselves from the Trump phenomenon and "re-branding" the GOP for the future.
3) They can blow their own cover and "out" themselves with an opinion-piece, being only able to affect the upcoming election in the short-term. The net effect of which would be to throw Congress to the Dems (as populist Republicans stay home in droves).
Of all of their options, having this opinion piece published seems to be absolutely the WORST, most counterproductive option, ESPECIALLY for the upcoming election.
I can imagine all kinds of mid- and long-term strategies in play, but that would mean that this opinion piece is no longer an individual heartfelt expression of angst, but part of a longer term strategy. And that would involve accepting the idea that there is a true deep state which is in real conflict with Trump and his supporters (and no, I don't mean his base, I mean the security state and military officers and Cabinet members who are on his side of a real fight.)
Quote:So what?
Donald Trump replaces terrorism as Germans' greatest fear
Was Donald Trump elected to be President of Germany?
No???
Well, maybe German interests are NOT USA interests.
Maybe you should stop mentally conflating the two.
Maybe Germans really SHOULD be afraid of Donald Trump, because maybe Germany has been getting a free ride from the USA for 40+ years, and the gravy train is about to end.
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Originally posted by second:Quote:Insurance company doing an opinion poll makes more sense than a university run poll. The Insurance company could add Trump insurance, along with Fire and Flood and Termite insurance, to its business. The question would be: Which are you more afraid of? Termites or Trump? Then buy insurance to protect you from your greatest fears.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I can't say that I'm used to an insurance company being the entity that conducts surveys either.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
Yup. Just like I'm sure that this insurance company offers insurance for some of its other 21 questions such as Terrorism Insurance, or Costs For Taxpayer By EU Debt Crisis Insurance, or Tensions By Immigration of Foreigners Insurance.
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Quote:Not true. Originally, it was the State Senate of each state that was supposed to choose their representatives to the Electoral College; no direct popular vote for President was involved. The idea was that the USA is a Republic ... a group of affiliated states which collectively negotiate the direction of the Federal government. That was the only way that the Founding Fathers could get such a diverse group of colonies... everything from slave/plantation states to small-farmer states to merchant states ... to throw their lot in together: By assuring them they would have independence in how they ran their affairs.
The Electoral College only exists so that the College can evaluate each candidate and its votes are to be split among the candidates
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:Not true. Originally, it was the State Senate of each state that was supposed to choose their representatives to the Electoral College; no direct popular vote for President was involved. The idea was that the USA is a Republic ... a group of affiliated states which collectively negotiate the direction of the Federal government. That was the only way that the Founding Fathers could get such a diverse group of colonies... everything from slave/plantation states to small-farmer states to merchant states ... to throw their lot in together: By assuring them they would have independence in how they ran their affairs.
The Electoral College only exists so that the College can evaluate each candidate and its votes are to be split among the candidates
My understanding was the Electoral College was designed as a fail safe incase the great unwashed wanted a president that TPTB didn't want.
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Quote:You are too impressed by a few books and editorials. None of those words carry any weight in the real world I live in. I have not found any Republicans in Texas who have any problem supporting Trump. It won't be the "deep state" that thwarts Trump. It will be Democrats, if they get a majority in the House of Representatives in 2018.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
SECOND, put your thinking cap on.
Assume that everything the opiner (yes, it is a real word, look it up) says is absolutely true: That Trump is a thin-skinned, unstable, and dangerously ignorant person whose only skill is manipulating public opinion.
SO WHY NOT INVOKE ARTICLE 25?
Think about that for a bit before highlighting the point below. If Trump is such a dangerous person in the Presidency, why not summarily boot him out of office and replace him with Pence, who is a reliable conservative Republican much more in line with their agenda??
Because Trump is a USEFUL thin-skinned, unstable, and dangerously ignorant person ... one who allows them to forward their globalist/neocon agenda of impoverishing the USA by shutting off government assistance while fostering the wealth of the transnationals ... serving as a "cover" and a distraction while they do their work in the background.
So, if Trump is useful, why torpedo him NOW, and especially with this opinion piece?
And if Trump has truly outlived his usefulness -to them - why derail him with this opinion piece? Why not invoke Article 25?
If Trump is having problems getting his ideas turned into reality within his administration, it is not because of a secret conspiracy. It is an open secret that he is not following up on his people. Did they lock up several million illegal aliens, or not? If they failed, Trump needs to take action against his appointees. Why are they failing?
It is not a secret about the Wall, either. Trump has not gotten his Texas/Mexico wall because he did not shutdown the government. It is the only weapon he has against Texas Republicans who don't want their land taken for a wall and don't want to pay.
Is the "deep state" investigating Trump? No. If Trump wants to stop Mueller, the only Republican doing an investigation, he needs to fire Jeff Sessions. Trump hasn't and so the investigation continues.
If Trump arrested millions of illegals, shutdown the government, fired Sessions, and a hundred other things necessary to implement his policies, Texas Republicans would back Trump completely. But Trump is too weak-willed, too confused, too disorganized, too slow. The failure is all Trump, all the time.
If there really was a deep state, you'd see signs from the few Trump skeptical Congressmen in the GOP. None of the skeptics have raised a finger, other than John McCain. If Trump can't handle the opposition from one dead man, he deserves to fail at bringing Signym's dreams to life. If Trump can't be bothered to follow up on whether his orders are being obeyed, he deserves to fail. If Trump spends his days watching TV and his nights going to campaign rallies and his weekends golfing, rather than working on Signym's dream list, he deserves to fail.
www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/9/7/17829146/trump-brett-kavanaug
h-nyt-op-ed
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You are too impressed by a few books and editorials. None of those words carry any weight in the real world I live in.
LOL.
Pot, meet kettle.
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Quote:Haha! No kidding!
You are too impressed by a few books and editorials. None of those words carry any weight in the real world I live in. - SECOND
LOL.
Pot, meet kettle.- SIX
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Quote:When 6ix does the "LOL", I know he doesn't understand. He'll likely do another for this:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:Haha! No kidding!
You are too impressed by a few books and editorials. None of those words carry any weight in the real world I live in. - SECOND
LOL.
Pot, meet kettle.- SIX
Obama made special mention of the anonymous New York Times op-ed contributor, identified only as a senior Trump administration official, whom many have praised as a beacon of hope. This is not the case, Obama said: “The claim that everything will turn out OK because there are people inside the White House who secretly aren’t following the president’s orders, that is not a check.”
In the Times essay, the writer was invested only in stopping Trump’s “half-baked, ill-informed and occasionally reckless decisions.”
“That’s not how our democracy is supposed to work,” Obama said. “These people are not doing us a service by actively promoting 90% of the crazy stuff that’s coming out of this White House, and then saying, ‘Don’t worry, we’re preventing the other 10%.'”
Obama characterized the present political climate as extraordinary and dangerous. He urged prospective voters to put a stop to it in the midterm elections in November.
(This is where 6ix writes "LOL" and Signym writes some version of "Pot calling kettle black". As for me, I hope reality kicks Trump's ass, perhaps by the GOP losing its majority in the House of Representatives. It could happen: https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2018-midterm-election-forecast/ho
use/ )
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(This is where 6ix writes "LOL" and Signym writes some version of "Pot calling kettle black"...)
I wrote both the LOL and the "Pot, meet Kettle".
So much for your reading comprehension skills, Second.
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Quote:In Bob Woodward’s first TV interview to promote the much-hyped Fear, his book on Donald Trump’s presidency, the veteran journalist warned that “people better wake up to what’s going on.”
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I wrote both the LOL and the "Pot, meet Kettle".
So much for your reading comprehension skills, Second.
“You look at the operation of this White House and you have to say, ‘Let’s hope to God we don’t have a crisis’,” he added in an interview that aired Sunday on CBS Sunday Morning.
Did you comprehend, 6ix?
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/09/bob-woodward-warns-of-whit
e-house-dysfunction-lets-hope-to-god-we-dont-have-a-crisis.html
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Originally posted by second:Quote:In Bob Woodward’s first TV interview to promote the much-hyped Fear, his book on Donald Trump’s presidency, the veteran journalist warned that “people better wake up to what’s going on.”
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I wrote both the LOL and the "Pot, meet Kettle".
So much for your reading comprehension skills, Second.
“You look at the operation of this White House and you have to say, ‘Let’s hope to God we don’t have a crisis’,” he added in an interview that aired Sunday on CBS Sunday Morning.
Did you comprehend, 6ix?
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/09/bob-woodward-warns-of-whit
e-house-dysfunction-lets-hope-to-god-we-dont-have-a-crisis.html
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Yup.
I understood that Mr. Woodward isn't going to have to rely on those royalty checks from Robert Redford anymore.
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Woodward, whose new book Fear: Trump in the White House hits bookstores on Tuesday, described the incident in the interview with CBS as the most dangerous moment of Trump’s nuclear standoff with North Korea.
“He drafts a tweet saying ‘We are going to pull our dependents from South Korea – family members of the 28,000 people there,’” Woodward said, referring to families of US troops stationed on the Korean peninsula.
The tweet was never sent because of a back-channel message from the North Koreans that they would view it as a sign the US was preparing to attack, according to CBS.
“At that moment there was a sense of profound alarm in the Pentagon leadership that, ‘My God, one tweet and we have reliable information that the North Koreans are going to read this as ‘an attack is imminent.’”
More at www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/sep/10/trump-almost-sent-tweet-north-
korea-imminent-attack
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Why should I believe this any more than the "Iraq WMD" or the "RUSSIA!!RUSSIA!RUSSIA" narrative?
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Quote:Signym, if you are now the official apologist for Trump, why not use your imagination to write that Trump thoughtfully, carefully ran his tweet past his military advisors before he touched the Enter key? When the advisors told Trump he was about to accidentally start a war with North Korea, he wisely erased the tweet? That way, Signym, you make Trump look like he is organized and understands what he is doing, rather than he is the King of Chaos.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Why should I believe this any more than the "Iraq WMD" or the "RUSSIA!!RUSSIA!RUSSIA" narrative?
"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND
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I have read ... and of course I have no way of proving or disproving either way ... that OUTSIDE of the USA, USA foreign policy as seen as There is Trump ... and then there is the 'deep state'. I have heard that Trump and Kim Jong Un, for example communicate by sealed letter, couriered by a person known to Trump, and that the tweets are often disinformation, designed to confuse Trump's "resistors".
What I have OBSERVED is that the rhetoric really flies, right before a behind-the-scenes settlement. The other thing I have observed is that Trump - unlike previous Presidents - really is attempting to make good on his campaign promises.
As I posted, the Trump administration is cloaked in unpredictability; and I think this is deliberate.
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Quote:You are now an apologist for Trump, Signym. And a very imaginative one, too! Who did you read? Who wrote it that has his reputation to protect, so he would not just create or manufacture "alternative" facts solely to make Trump look good? Woodward has a real reputation to protect, so he doesn't just make up facts to make Trump look bad.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I have read ... and of course I have no way of proving or disproving either way ... that OUTSIDE of the USA, USA foreign policy as seen as There is Trump ... and then there is the 'deep state'. I have heard that Trump and Kim Jong Un, for example communicate by sealed letter, couriered by a person known to Trump, and that the tweets are often disinformation, designed to confuse Trump's "resistors".
What I have OBSERVED is that the rhetoric really flies, right before a behind-the-scenes settlement. The other thing I have observed is that Trump - unlike previous Presidents - really is attempting to make good on his campaign promises.
As I posted, the Trump administration is cloaked in unpredictability; and I think this is deliberate.
"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND
Signym, your best move, next, is to take down Woodward and his sources as being self-glorifying, insinuating that the book is nothing but lies to make Trump look bad and the sources look good. Kellyanne Conway shows how that is done. Kellyanne doesn't need any facts. She can pretend she has them without sharing those facts on TV. It requires zero preparation by Kellyanne, other than to look nice and speak well. Very efficient work by her:
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Who's an apologist, and what makes Woodward so beyond reproach?
Trump was elected nearly 2 years ago now and that's nearly 2 years where every single goddamned day the media has attacked him for anything from eating too much McDonalds to singlehandedly bringing Russia on our shores and into our homes.
Fuck you, Second.
Seriously.
Cunt.
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SECOND, it's not Woodward and his "source" it's Woodward and his (mostly) anonymous sources. So first of all, I don't trust anonymous sources.
And his NAMED sources all deny that they ever said anything like what's in his book. How do you account for that? What good does it do to print someone's statement, only to have it denied by the very person who supposedly said it?
I agree with SIX: Ever since Trump got elected, it's been nonstop bullshit from the M$M. And it's no surprise that the criticism would ramp up two months before the mid-terms. This is not honest reporting. The RUSSIA!!RUSSIA!!RUSSIA!! narrative failed; this is obviously just a different tack timed to drive Trump from office. If this had TRULY been a problem, you'd think that it would have been "reported" first, BEFORE the pointless exercise in Russophobia was attempted.
When I see so many DIFFERENT approaches all aimed at the same goal (9-11, yellowcake! mushroom could! biological weapons! tyranny!) and I see these attempts accelerating on a schedule I know I'm looking at propaganda; and you should too.
Don't mistake my criticism of the M$M as a defense of Trump, there's a lot to criticize about the M$M, mostly their dishonesty.
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
SECOND, it's not Woodward and his "source" it's Woodward and his (mostly) anonymous sources. So first of all, I don't trust anonymous sources.
And his NAMED sources all deny that they ever said anything like what's in his book. How do you account for that? What good does it do to print someone's statement, only to have it denied by the very person who supposedly said it?
I agree with SIX: Ever since Trump got elected, it's been nonstop bullshit from the M$M. (Oh, and from you too.) And it's no surprise that the criticism would ramp up two months before the mid-terms. This is not honest reporting. The RUSSIA!!RUSSIA!!RUSSIA!! narrative failed; this obviously just a different tack, timed to drive Trump from office. .
Don't mistake my criticism of the M$M as a defense of Trump, because there's a lot to criticize on their side, mostly their dishonesty.
You have now become the funniest poster on this forum - really - the sh*t you post is hilarious. What we see from you on a daily basis is you saying something is true without any proof or even any honest attempts at basic logic. You just say something is true and that's it.
For instance:
"As I posted, the Trump administration is cloaked in unpredictability; and I think this is deliberate."
Really? All of this deliberate? The resignations as well? The guilty pleas all right on schedule? What a strategy!
I know you have your agenda and won't believe anything that doesn't support or come from Fux Nooz pov, but just to keep the fun going:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Trump_administration_dismissals_
and_resignations
"Many political appointees of Donald Trump, the 45th and current President of the United States, have resigned or been dismissed. The record-setting turnover rate in the Trump Administration has been noted in various publications.
Several Trump appointees, including National Security Advisor Michael Flynn, White House Chief of Staff Reince Priebus, White House Communications Director Anthony Scaramucci, and Secretary of Health and Human Services Tom Price have the shortest-service tenures in the history of their respective offices."
Another example:
How has the Russia narrative failed exactly? No proof just your saying so?
Another example:
"Ever since Trump got elected, it's been nonstop bullshit from the M$M." What exactly do you mean by that? Coverage? He's been getting more coverage than any other candidate since he began to run for the office. He craves it, he was probably elected in part because of it. Or do you mean something else by BS?
Another example:
"And it's no surprise that the criticism would ramp up two months before the mid-terms." You just said it was non-stop BS, so it's always been this way according to you. So according to you, you're full of it.
Like I've said, you don't have to make sense or even make simple, logical arguments. You're entire Trump schtick makes sense when you see it from an old Soviet's perspective.
As for sources:
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And his NAMED sources all deny that they ever said anything like what's in his book. How do you account for that? What good does it do to print someone's statement, only to have it denied by the very person who supposedly said it?
OMG! *gasp* *sputter* I forgot that one!
Because Mattis is going to say, "Yep, I said he had the understanding of a 6th grader."
Kelly: "Yes, I called him an idiot."
You're too funny.
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As for sources:
He should have just come out and admitted it was Hillary Clinton back in 2012 that was his source and saved us all a lot of trouble.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Quote:Then why be sourced at all? Or why have your name attached? And if the author knew that his sources would disavow anything that they said, why include it in a book? All that does is discredit the author, the statements, and/or the sources.
OMG! *gasp* *sputter* I forgot that one!
Because Mattis is going to say, "Yep, I said he had the understanding of a 6th grader."
Kelly: "Yes, I called him an idiot."
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Quote:I'll get to this later.
SECOND, it's not Woodward and his "source" it's Woodward and his (mostly) anonymous sources. So first of all, I don't trust anonymous sources.
And his NAMED sources all deny that they ever said anything like what's in his book. How do you account for that? What good does it do to print someone's statement, only to have it denied by the very person who supposedly said it?
I agree with SIX: Ever since Trump got elected, it's been nonstop bullshit from the M$M. (Oh, and from you too.) And it's no surprise that the criticism would ramp up two months before the mid-terms. This is not honest reporting. The RUSSIA!!RUSSIA!!RUSSIA!! narrative failed; this obviously just a different tack, timed to drive Trump from office. .
Don't mistake my criticism of the M$M as a defense of Trump, because there's a lot to criticize on their side, mostly their dishonesty. SIGNY
You have now become the funniest poster on this forum - really - the sh*t you post is hilarious. What we see from you on a daily basis is you saying something is true without any proof or even any honest attempts at basic logic. You just say something is true and that's it.
For instance:
"As I posted, the Trump administration is cloaked in unpredictability; and I think this is deliberate."
Really? All of this deliberate? The resignations as well? The guilty pleas all right on schedule? What a strategy!
Quote:I have no idea what's on Fox News, and you probably don't either.
I know you have your agenda and won't believe anything that doesn't support or come from Fux Nooz pov
Quote:At the same time, a record number of FBI and DOJ officials have been fired, demoted, or resigned. That's not an accident.
but just to keep the fun going:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Trump_administration_dismissals_
and_resignations
"Many political appointees of Donald Trump, the 45th and current President of the United States, have resigned or been dismissed. The record-setting turnover rate in the Trump Administration has been noted in various publications.
Several Trump appointees, including National Security Advisor Michael Flynn, White House Chief of Staff Reince Priebus, White House Communications Director Anthony Scaramucci, and Secretary of Health and Human Services Tom Price have the shortest-service tenures in the history of their respective offices."
Quote:A wide swath of recent polls indicate that most people don't give a crap about so-called "Russian collusion".
Another example:
How has the Russia narrative failed exactly? No proof just your saying so?
Poll: Voters grow weary of Russia probes (Harvard -Harris poll)
By Jonathan Easley - 06/23/17 11:10 AM EDT
http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/339146-poll-voters-grow-wea
ry-of-russia-probes
Poll: Americans Don’t Give A Hoot About So-Called Russian Collusion (Gallup poll)
July 20, 2018 By Bre Payton
https://thefederalist.com/2018/07/20/poll-americans-dont-give-hoot-cal
led-russian-collusion/
Who Colluded With Russia: Trump or Clinton? (Rasmussen)
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_politi
cs/may_2018/who_colluded_with_russia_trump_or_clinton
Quote:ANOTHER example of your ignorant partisanship?? Hookaaay ...
Another example
Quote:Obviously I mean something else.
"Ever since Trump got elected, it's been nonstop bullshit from the M$M." What exactly do you mean by that? Coverage? He's been getting more coverage than any other candidate since he began to run for the office. He craves it, he was probably elected in part because of it. Or do you mean something else by BS?
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Another example:
"And it's no surprise that the criticism would ramp up two months before the mid-terms." You just said it was non-stop BS, so it's always been this way according to you. So accoNOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:Signym, you have gone full Kellyanne Conway, defending Trump as best you can by tearing down the opposition as untruthful. Getting away from your and Kellyanne's alternative facts, there is an article "Trump keeps making outlandish claims about GDP". This stuff can actually be checked for truth and accuracy, T&A for short, the two things Trump does not keep around the White House. T&A does not depend on what his staff will say anonymously to Woodward and other reporters versus what they say using their real names, risking their jobs.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
SECOND, it's not Woodward and his "source" it's Woodward and his (mostly) anonymous sources. So first of all, I don't trust anonymous sources.
And his NAMED sources all deny that they ever said anything like what's in his book. How do you account for that? What good does it do to print someone's statement, only to have it denied by the very person who supposedly said it?
I agree with SIX: Ever since Trump got elected, it's been nonstop bullshit from the M$M. And it's no surprise that the criticism would ramp up two months before the mid-terms. This is not honest reporting. The RUSSIA!!RUSSIA!!RUSSIA!! narrative failed; this is obviously just a different tack timed to drive Trump from office. If this had TRULY been a problem, you'd think that it would have been "reported" first, BEFORE the pointless exercise in Russophobia was attempted.
When I see so many DIFFERENT approaches all aimed at the same goal (9-11, yellowcake! mushroom could! biological weapons! tyranny!) and I see these attempts accelerating on a schedule I know I'm looking at propaganda; and you should too.
Don't mistake my criticism of the M$M as a defense of Trump, there's a lot to criticize about the M$M, mostly their dishonesty.
"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND
www.businessinsider.com/trump-gdp-if-hillary-clinton-democrats-won-201
8-9
Here is another story that doesn't depend on deciding to believe either Mister Anonymous-But-Remains-Employed or Mister Real-Name-But-Was-Fired-from-White-House: "Trump’s lie about US GDP growth, debunked" at https://qz.com/1384543/
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:Then why be sourced at all? Or why have your name attached? And if the author knew that his sources would disavow anything that they said, why include it in a book? All that does is discredit the author, the statements, and/or the sources.
OMG! *gasp* *sputter* I forgot that one!
Because Mattis is going to say, "Yep, I said he had the understanding of a 6th grader."
Kelly: "Yes, I called him an idiot."
Professional Journalists - not internet web site hacks looking for clicks - are trained to find viable sources and multiple verifications for the information they provide. There actually are things called Journalism Schools. So they get info (quotes) and they verify from other protected/anonymous sources, and they publish. They author can guess someone will deny, but how would they know? Deep Throat denied being a source on Nixon/Watergate for years afterwards.
But you know all this right?
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:I'll get to this later.
SECOND, it's not Woodward and his "source" it's Woodward and his (mostly) anonymous sources. So first of all, I don't trust anonymous sources.
And his NAMED sources all deny that they ever said anything like what's in his book. How do you account for that? What good does it do to print someone's statement, only to have it denied by the very person who supposedly said it?
I agree with SIX: Ever since Trump got elected, it's been nonstop bullshit from the M$M. (Oh, and from you too.) And it's no surprise that the criticism would ramp up two months before the mid-terms. This is not honest reporting. The RUSSIA!!RUSSIA!!RUSSIA!! narrative failed; this obviously just a different tack, timed to drive Trump from office. .
Don't mistake my criticism of the M$M as a defense of Trump, because there's a lot to criticize on their side, mostly their dishonesty. SIGNY
You have now become the funniest poster on this forum - really - the sh*t you post is hilarious. What we see from you on a daily basis is you saying something is true without any proof or even any honest attempts at basic logic. You just say something is true and that's it.
For instance:
"As I posted, the Trump administration is cloaked in unpredictability; and I think this is deliberate."
Really? All of this deliberate? The resignations as well? The guilty pleas all right on schedule? What a strategy!
Sure you will. So right now though you don't know if all the resignations and firings and guilty pleas and cooperation with Mueller was planned or not, is that correct?
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I have no idea what's on Fox News, and you probably don't either.
You're not lying but you are wrong. I check it out to see what horse sh*t they're peddling as News. Tucker Carlson has gone so far over the edge of Trump suck up that's it's like watching a bad movie for fun - he's so bad it's amusing.
Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
At the same time, a record number of FBI and DOJ officials have been fired, demoted, or resigned. That's not an accident.
Riiight - Comey was fired because of that Russia thing. In fact, were any of them convicted of doing anything illegal?Pretty obvious it's pure vindictiveness - anyone associated with Trump's Russia business is a target. Strzck and Page should sue for wrongful termination - they did nothing illegal. Right?
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
A wide swath of recent polls indicate that most people don't give a crap about so-called "Russian collusion".
Really? Are those polls from inside the Kremlin? Maybe the White House?
BTW - "Weary" does not mean "don't give a crap." Either you English or your attempt to mislead, sucks.
Poll: Voters grow weary of Russia probes (Harvard -Harris poll)
By Jonathan Easley - 06/23/17 11:10 AM EDT
http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/339146-poll-voters-grow-wea
ry-of-russia-probes
Poll: Americans Don’t Give A Hoot About So-Called Russian Collusion (Gallup poll)
July 20, 2018 By Bre Payton
https://thefederalist.com/2018/07/20/poll-americans-dont-give-hoot-cal
led-russian-collusion/
Who Colluded With Russia: Trump or Clinton? (Rasmussen)
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_politi
cs/may_2018/who_colluded_with_russia_trump_or_clinton
Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:Obviously I mean something else.
"Ever since Trump got elected, it's been nonstop bullshit from the M$M." What exactly do you mean by that? Coverage? He's been getting more coverage than any other candidate since he began to run for the office. He craves it, he was probably elected in part because of it. Or do you mean something else by BS?
Obviously only to y
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Bob Woodward Stands By Reporting In Trump Book, Saying 'These Things Happened':
"You crank out the great Washington denial machine," he says. "I've seen this over the years, going back to the Nixon case."
"Time and time again people will deny things," Woodward says. "I understand people have to protect their positions. But I've done hundreds of hours of interviews with people. ... These things happened."
Woodward's book is based on "deep background" interviews, which he defines in his book as interviews where "all the information could be used but I would not say who provided it."
"The people are not anonymous to me," he says of his sources.
Once one person had described an episode to him, Woodward says, "I would go to other people and say, 'Did this happen? Who else was there?' "
"You can, in an almost microscopic way, establish what occurred — and that's what I've done in this book."
www.npr.org/2018/09/10/646247472/woodward-great-washington-denial-mach
ine-driven-by-politics-not-truth
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Originally posted by second:
Bob Woodward Stands By Reporting In Trump Book, Saying 'These Things Happened':
"You crank out the great Washington denial machine," he says. "I've seen this over the years, going back to the Nixon case."
"Time and time again people will deny things," Woodward says. "I understand people have to protect their positions. But I've done hundreds of hours of interviews with people. ... These things happened."
Woodward's book is based on "deep background" interviews, which he defines in his book as interviews where "all the information could be used but I would not say who provided it."
"The people are not anonymous to me," he says of his sources.
Once one person had described an episode to him, Woodward says, "I would go to other people and say, 'Did this happen? Who else was there?' "
"You can, in an almost microscopic way, establish what occurred — and that's what I've done in this book."
In other words, we have a book written by a man in an echo chamber that is stuffed to the gills with confirmation bias.
No doubt in my mind this is going to be a bestseller that's quoted verbatim on the internet for the next 6 years.
Hell, the MSM can all just phone it in until 2024 now.
Robert Redford and Dustin Hoffman don't seem to have anything on their schedule.
I think it's time for All the President's Men II: The New Batch.
EDIT: I think I like "All the President's Men 2: The Second One" even better.
EDIT: All the President's Men Too: Geriatric Boogaloo?
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Aside from a whole swath of people who disavow their purported quotes in the book ...
"They are not anonymous to me." - R. Woodward
... what I find extremely telling about Woodward is that he's struggling to distinguish the concept 'anonymous' from 'unnamed'. His inability to accurately name simple concepts indicates a serious mental decline in a writer.
THUGGER admits it's not about RUSSIA !!! and is, in fact, a witch hunt. "Trump better be innocent of any wrong doing, anywhere, anytime."
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"You crank out the great Washington denial machine," he says. "I've seen this over the years, going back to the Nixon case."
"Time and time again people will deny things," Woodward says. "I understand people have to protect their positions. But I've done hundreds of hours of interviews with people. ... These things happened." -SECOND
Well, speaking of denial ...
Obama, in a recent speech, stuffed the whole Benghazi massacre into the "conspiracy theory" box.
Quote:Well, needless to say, a former Ranger (who was working as contract security in Benghazi) WHO WAS THERE took exception to Obama's labeling the massacre as a "conspiracy theory" and tweeted ...
Shortly thereafter, Paronto took offense to Obama referring to Benghazi as a conspiracy theory when he said: "over the past few decades, the politics of division and resentment and paranoia has unfortunately found a home in the Republican party," Obama said, before attacking Republicans in Congress for peddling "wild conspiracy theories like those surrounding Benghazi."
Quote:
Benghazi is a conspiracy @BarackObama ?! How bout we do this, let’s put your cowardly ass on the top of a roof with 6 of your buddies&shoot rpg’s&Ak47’s at you while terrorists lob 81mm mortars killing 2 of your buddies all while waiting for US support that you never sent????#scum
"Kris Paronto is credited with saving 20 lives at Benghazi."
Now, you have to realize that Hillary, the then-CIA director Morell, AND Obama undertook to cover up exactly what happened there, first attempting to "explain" the attack as an unpredicted reaction to an anti-Muslim movie (not true) and THEN as a spontaneous riot (also not true). Paronto is very definite that the contractor were told to STAND DOWN while the consulate was under attack, and that they defied orders and went to rescue personnel anyway, and were left hung out to dry by the military.
So the fact that Obama would continue to push the facts of the massacre as a "conspiracy theory" means that Obama is just a lying weasel, eager to deny facts that make him (and his party and his backers) look bad.
So you see, it's really hard to decide: Who is worse- Trump, or his enemies?
Paronto, for his efforts to set the record straight, was SUSPENDED FROM TWITTER. Clearly, Twitter isn't deciding on who get banned based on the truth of what they tweet, or even on the hostility of tone (Twitter had let open death threats stand) but on some some opaque and nonsensical "algorithm" that just happens to let liberal "fake news" thru but not conservative real news.
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Great Britain continued to function despite its King going crazy. So too America can function despite its President:
In 1778 George III lapsed into a months-long period of violent insanity. He was restrained with a straitjacket and suffered various treatments as crisis of rule unfolded around him. He recovered the next year and reigned for the next 12. George suffered a second major bout of insanity in 1804 and recovered, but in 1810 he slipped into his final illness. A year later his son, the future George IV, became prince regent, giving him effective rule for the War of 1812 and Napoleon’s final defeat at Waterloo in 1815.
-- www.history.com/topics/british-history/george-iii
America’s last king: The unsettling parallels between King George III and Donald Trump
Inexperienced authoritarian with a habit of blasting out his opinions in the wee hours of the morn? Sounds familiar. Demanding absolute loyalty? Not trusting anyone more popular than he was, and detesting all opposition? If this sounds familiar, it fits not only Trump but America’s last king, George III.
-- www.salon.com/2017/06/25/americas-last-king-the-unsettling-parallels-b
etween-king-george-iii-and-donald-trump/
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Obama, in a recent speech, stuffed the whole Benghazi massacre into the "conspiracy theory" box.Quote:Well, needless to say, a former Ranger (who was working as contract security in Benghazi) WHO WAS THERE took exception to Obama's labeling the massacre as a "conspiracy theory" and tweeted ...
Shortly thereafter, Paronto took offense to Obama referring to Benghazi as a conspiracy theory when he said: "over the past few decades, the politics of division and resentment and paranoia has unfortunately found a home in the Republican party," Obama said, before attacking Republicans in Congress for peddling "wild conspiracy theories like those surrounding Benghazi."Quote:
Benghazi is a conspiracy @BarackObama ?! How bout we do this, let’s put your cowardly ass on the top of a roof with 6 of your buddies&shoot rpg’s&Ak47’s at you while terrorists lob 81mm mortars killing 2 of your buddies all while waiting for US support that you never sent????#scum
"Kris Paronto is credited with saving 20 lives at Benghazi."
Now, you have to realize that Hillary, the then-CIA director Morell, AND Obama undertook to cover up exactly what happened there, first attempting to "explain" the attack as an unpredicted reaction to an anti-Muslim movie (not true) and THEN as a spontaneous riot (also not true). Paronto is very definite that the contractor were told to STAND DOWN while the consulate was under attack, and that they defied orders and went to rescue personnel anyway, and were left hung out to dry by the military.
So the fact that Obama would continue to push the facts of the massacre as a "conspiracy theory" means that Obama is just a lying weasel, eager to deny facts that make him (and his party and his backers) look bad.
First: way to misdirect with Obama, Clinton and Benghazi - Yahtzee!
Plus: Great mischaracterization of what Obama was talking about specifically. Obama was talking about the 7 attempts to hang Benghazi on Hillary Clinton. That was the conspiracy - which it clearly was. How do I know? All of them failed! What does that tell you?
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Paronto, for his efforts to set the record straight, was SUSPENDED FROM TWITTER. Clearly, Twitter isn't deciding on who get banned based on the truth of what they tweet, or even on the hostility of tone (Twitter had let open death threats stand) but on some some opaque and nonsensical "algorithm" that just happens to let liberal "fake news" thru but not conservative real news.
Hey, my "G" account was removed by "algorithm" should I b*tch to Haken? Or just accept that this is his forum and his rules even if I don't like them?
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Woodward, a Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist, said the book is based on first-hand reporting and anonymous White House sources, including some who were extremely reluctant to disclose information, or even speak with him.
“You need to be patient. You go to their house and you knock on their door,” he said, explaining his method for cultivating good sources. “You ask if they have any documents -- because no one who works at the White House doesn't bring home notes -- and they say ‘no no,’ and then about the third visit they say, 'Yeah, I might have something upstairs,' and then they come down with three boxes,” he said.
“In the CIA, they tell people to ‘let the silence suck out the truth,’ so, just be quiet and people want to talk,” he added.
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/bob-woodward-reveals-shocked-trump-boo
k/story?id=57739343
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First: way to misdirect with Obama, Clinton and Benghazi - Yahtzee!
Plus: Great mischaracterization of what Obama was talking about specifically. Obama was talking about the 7 attempts to hang Benghazi on Hillary Clinton. That was the conspiracy - which it clearly was.
Quote:I don't know ... how DO you know? LINKS PLEASE
How do I know?
Quote:I had no idea that there were seven. SEVEN! My gosh! They failed so absolutely I didn't even know they existed!!!
All of them failed! What does that tell you?
Any explanation that doesn't account for Paronto's recollection that they were told to STAND DOWN multiple times, and that this was a pre-planned and well-coordinated attack (according to the DIA) is a whitewash.
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:Links please
First: way to misdirect with Obama, Clinton and Benghazi - Yahtzee!
Plus: Great mischaracterization of what Obama was talking about specifically. Obama was talking about the 7 attempts to hang Benghazi on Hillary Clinton. That was the conspiracy - which it clearly was.Quote:I don't know ... how DO you know? LINKS PLEASE
How do I know?
How do I link to "common f*cking sense?" What's your theory? He was admitting to there being a cover up, because that makes sense!
Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:I had no idea that there were seven. SEVEN! My gosh! They failed so absolutely I didn't even know they existed!!!
All of them failed! What does that tell you?
Explains a lot!
Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Any explanation that doesn't account for Paronto's recollection that they were told to STAND DOWN multiple times, and that this was a pre-planned and well-coordinated attack (according to the DIA) is a whitewash.
How would any of us here know the what or the why of those orders if they were given the way he recollects? 7 failed investigations - maybe you think there should be 7 more?
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"Deep state." Are there lizard people, too? LOL!
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The op-ed and the Woodward book have led to new levels of suspicion among his staff, many of whom were already at odds with each other. Trump wants a criminal investigation into the matter.
This sort of paranoia and backbiting is the direct result of Trump's management style. He's made no secret of the fact that he likes to watch his advisers fight it out over policy. He also purposely plays favorites and seems to change his views on people at the drop of a hat. John Kelly was going to bring order to the White House as chief of staff. Then Kelly was on the outs because he was limiting Trump's ability to be himself. Then Trump said Kelly had agreed to stay on as chief of staff for the entirety of his presidency. Then Kelly might be the person who wrote the op-ed. And on and on and on.
This sort of snake-pit environment is what Trump knows best. In business, he often would play top aides off against one another under the belief, according to him, that it brought out the best in everyone involved. In his previous life as a reality TV producer/star, the snake pit was ratings gold.
Drama is a very good thing in reality TV. When trying to, you know, run the country, drama is a less-good thing. Drama distracts. Everyone. From doing their job.
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Pres. Trump's paranoia is showing.
Donald Trump Jr. expressed concern Tuesday about the dwindling number of White House staffers loyal to his father, who has railed about an anonymous op-ed by a senior administration official who painted a grim picture of the president.
“I think there are people in there that he can trust, it’s just — it’s a much smaller group than I would like it to be,” Trump Jr., 40, said on ABC’s “Good Morning America.”
“It would be easier to get things done if you’re able to fully trust everyone around you,” he added. “I think that’s a shame.”
Most presidents would seek to calm the roiling waters of their White House. Trump is not most presidents. Everything we know about Trump suggests that he will not rest until he has a name or names to blame. It's who he is. And you don't change who you are suddenly at age 72 and as the President of the United States.
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Quote:Your bias is showing. It's not paranoia if they're really out to get you.
Pres. Trump's paranoia is showing. -SECOND
Quote:Most Presidents would promise their constituents anything to get elected, and then quickly revert to doing whatever the establishment/deep state wanted them to do.
Most presidents would seek to calm the roiling waters of their White House.- SECOND
Quote:WHICH IS WHY SO MANY PEOPLE VOTED FOR HIM.
Trump is not most presidents.-SECOND
Your extreme anti-GOP bias prevents you from seeing the obvious, SECOND ... the middle class has been sucked dry for decades and people are ANGRY. They don't want "more of the same", they've HAD "more of the same" and yanno what? It's just not working for them. They want results, not a flim-flam man (or woman) tossing out empty promises.
NPR had an interesting interview with a bookwriter who went on a Greyhound bus trip from NYC to LA, in order to get a sense of what his main character would find when he took his fictional trip across the country. (A review of the book is here https://www.npr.org/2018/09/04/644546989/lake-success-offers-a-roadsid
e-view-of-america-on-the-verge-of-trump). What the AUTHOR found, in his trip across the country was this ...
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Well, first of all, people told me that - in so many ways, people told me they were incredibly dissatisfied with their lives... There was no happiness to be found, except in very small doses. But I also learned that a lot of our country is very, very angry.
ke-success Now, I know that you'll point to "racism" as the cause, but really ... "racism" was not as much of an issue until people got badly hurt, financially, and STAYED financially vulnerable. They were willing to overlook "race" (or even hail it as a positive indicator) when they voted for Obama. The slowly declining middle class went off a cliff in 2008. But then DEMS - including Obama - failed to heed the warnings, and instead of FIXING THE PROBLEM went off in a fugue of divisive identity politics. You followed them, and you're still stuck in it.
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND
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Hey Siggy, do you smell a conspiracy? Deep State? Easter Bunny?
sgg
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Saddam has WMD!!! Be afraid!! Be very afraid!!!
Or, employ a little bit of skepticism. A book filled with gossip, released two months before the elections? Gee, whooda thunk?
Personally, I'd ignore everything that was anonymously sourced, and only pay attention to statements with names attached. At least you can follow up with that.
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND
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Atta girl Siggy, By George she's got it, I think she's got it.
You have mastered the art of Trumpism. Deflect and dodge, with a side order
of deny.
sgg
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:He does? I guess I pay so little attention that I don't even know when it happened.
If the president can use anon sources then why can't the press?
Gossip: Somebody (Woodward) said that somebody (anonymous) said.
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If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND
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Right next to the Hilary trashing section....imagine that!
sgg
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Originally posted by whozit:
ANOTHER Trump trashing book, they should have a section at book stores just for them.
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:I'll get to this later.
SECOND, it's not Woodward and his "source" it's Woodward and his (mostly) anonymous sources. So first of all, I don't trust anonymous sources.
And his NAMED sources all deny that they ever said anything like what's in his book. How do you account for that? What good does it do to print someone's statement, only to have it denied by the very person who supposedly said it?
I agree with SIX: Ever since Trump got elected, it's been nonstop bullshit from the M$M. (Oh, and from you too.) And it's no surprise that the criticism would ramp up two months before the mid-terms. This is not honest reporting. The RUSSIA!!RUSSIA!!RUSSIA!! narrative failed; this obviously just a different tack, timed to drive Trump from office. .
Don't mistake my criticism of the M$M as a defense of Trump, because there's a lot to criticize on their side, mostly their dishonesty. SIGNY
You have now become the funniest poster on this forum - really - the sh*t you post is hilarious. What we see from you on a daily basis is you saying something is true without any proof or even any honest attempts at basic logic. You just say something is true and that's it.
For instance:
"As I posted, the Trump administration is cloaked in unpredictability; and I think this is deliberate."
Really? All of this deliberate? The resignations as well? The guilty pleas all right on schedule? What a strategy!
Aw damn SIGGY, you didn't "get to this later" like you said you would and just like I predicted. It was just another dodge - Sad!
You definitely are a student of Trump's moves/lies - new idol? The friend of my friend is my friend?
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One of these days, we might stop swimming in hyperbole.
I still hold out hope.
At least 90% of the people in the country don't really give a shit about any of this and the Looney Toons are pretty much only found on the Internet.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Woodward's book just confirms what the Times op-ed said, but in more detail.
Republicans are great at cheating their way into office. They know how to get elected.
They DON'T know how to govern. 
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Is he stupid, or is he evil.
Pick one.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Quote:How to answer? Maybe with an example of how politics cannot possibly do what Signym wants it to do because American voters are who they are. Pick a problem, say, raising the minimum wage to $20 per hour. The majority of American voters, D or R or I, would be opposed. It is a minority of voters, the poorly paid, who will get any benefit from raising the minimum. That is why neither party is for raising it high and immediately.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:Your bias is showing. It's not paranoia if they're really out to get you.
Pres. Trump's paranoia is showing. -SECONDQuote:Most Presidents would promise their constituents anything to get elected, and then quickly revert to doing whatever the establishment/deep state wanted them to do.
Most presidents would seek to calm the roiling waters of their White House.- SECONDQuote:WHICH IS WHY SO MANY PEOPLE VOTED FOR HIM.
Trump is not most presidents.-SECOND
Your extreme anti-GOP bias prevents you from seeing the obvious, SECOND ... the middle class has been sucked dry for decades and people are ANGRY. They don't want "more of the same", they've HAD "more of the same" and yanno what? It's just not working for them. They want results, not a flim-flam man (or woman) tossing out empty promises.
NPR had an interesting interview with a bookwriter who went on a Greyhound bus trip from NYC to LA, in order to get a sense of what his main character would find when he took his fictional trip across the country. (A review of the book is here https://www.npr.org/2018/09/04/644546989/lake-success-offers-a-roadsid
e-view-of-america-on-the-verge-of-trump). What the AUTHOR found, in his trip across the country was this ...Quote:https://www.npr.org/2018/09/08/645818891/leaving-billions-behind-in-la
Well, first of all, people told me that - in so many ways, people told me they were incredibly dissatisfied with their lives... There was no happiness to be found, except in very small doses. But I also learned that a lot of our country is very, very angry.
ke-success Now, I know that you'll point to "racism" as the cause, but really ... "racism" was not as much of an issue until people got badly hurt, financially, and STAYED financially vulnerable. They were willing to overlook "race" (or even hail it as a positive indicator) when they voted for Obama. The slowly declining middle class went off a cliff in 2008. But then DEMS - including Obama - failed to heed the warnings, and instead of FIXING THE PROBLEM went off in a fugue of divisive identity politics. You followed them, and you're still stuck in it.
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND
America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876
Take another example: Spending too much money on the military. The majority of American voters are fearful that their lives will be put into jeopardy if spending is lowered. (I’m not afraid, but that is me) The majority of voters have never traveled to any place the U.S. military or the CIA have destabilized. (I have.) The majority will never touch the blood of those who the military or CIA hurt or kill. (I have seen them hurt and kill.) The result is that both parties keep voting for increasing military spending because the majority of voters don’t care about any harm the military does. We’ve got to Support the Troops, you know! The Troops Keep Us Free! You've all have heard the bullshit.
Take health care as another problem. The majority of voters are getting to the doctor. The majority does not care what happens to those who can’t afford to go. That’s why Obamacare is in trouble. The majority don’t give a damn about pe
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SECOND, you have a warped view of Americans. Like here, you don't see people for who they really are, you're just arguing with the "Texas Republican" cardboard cutout that you have in your head. Maybe you should get out of Texas once in a while.
Quote:Of course, not raising the minimum wage has nothing to with the fact that big business has a stranglehold on Congress??
Pick a problem, say, raising the minimum wage to $20 per hour. The majority of American voters, D or R or I, would be opposed. It is a minority of voters, the poorly paid, who will get any benefit from raising the minimum. That is why neither party is for raising it high and immediately. - SECOND
If people were so opposed to a minimum wage increase, then none of the states would ever increase their minimum wage, and yet this year alone, 18 states have increased their minimum wage.
https://www.inc.com/huffington-post/minimum-wage-changes-new-law-2018.
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In fact
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Minimum wage bumps tend to be popular with the general public, with support often crossing partisan lines. A HuffPost YouGov poll last year found that more than half of all Americans thought a minimum wage raise would be good for workers, while only a third thought it would be a bad idea. The backing was greatest -- and most bipartisan -- for a modest hike to $10.10, as opposed to a bolder raise to $15.
Quote:WHO spouts that bullshit endlessly??
Take another example: Spending too much money on the military. The majority of American voters are fearful that their lives will be put into jeopardy if spending is lowered. (I’m not afraid, but that is me) The majority of voters have never traveled to any place the U.S. military or the CIA have destabilized. (I have.) The majority will never touch the blood of those who the military or CIA hurt or kill. (I have seen them hurt and kill.) The result is that both parties keep voting for increasing military spending because the majority of voters don’t care about any harm the military does. We’ve got to Support the Troops, you know! The Troops Keep Us Free! You've all have heard the bullshit.
THE MEDIA.
SECOND, if you were old enough to volunteer for Vietnam that makes you maybe two or three years older than me. So you've lived long enough to see the hype and bullshit that precedes every one of our "interventions" ...
NORIEGA IS A BIG BAD TYRANT DRUG RUNNER!
CUBA IS SETTING UP A BASE ON GRENADA!!
BABIES IN INCUBATORS!
Surely, you couldn't have missed the orgy of fear-mongering that preceded the second Iraq invasion??
WMD!!
9-11!!
MUSHROOM CLOUD!!
BIOWEAPONS!
YELLOW CAKE!
Once the media stops thumping for war, Americans go back to being a lot more relaxed about the world. One of the reasons why people voted for Obama instead of Hillary is because one of the FEW things that Obama could point to in his rather skimpy voting record is that he voted AGAINST the Iraq war, while Hillary voted FOR it. One of the reasons why some people voted for Trump is because he too seemed to promise an end to our endless wars. Americans aren't a bloodthirsty lot, but they're driven mad by the media.
Where I fault most Americans is that they NEVER SEEM TO LEARN. They are, for the most part, honest and trusting of our government and the media, and can't imagine that our government and media would construct and maintain such giant, whopping, 100% bullshit. long-term falsehoods. That our government and especially the media have concocted an alternate reality ... where people are all detectives or lawyers or corporate executives and live in fancy NYC apartments, and everyone is having more fun and has more money than they do, and if you don't live in that media fantasy then you're a "deplorable". But then, Americans are conditioned by "the media" (advertising and entertainment) not to think critically about ... well, anything.
BTW - That's how I characterize the RUSSIA!! RUSSIA
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