Bob Woodward’s New Book, ‘Fear’
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Quote:Well, we shall see what we shall see. I gave Obama a year to prove himself (which is why I voted for Jill Stein after his first term). I voted against Bush from the very start. Bill had a year too, I believe I voted for Ralph Nader for Bill's second term. I tend to give Democrats the benefit of the doubt, but last election I had no doubt at all about Hillary and so I voted for Trump.
Originally posted by THG:
Trumps nothing but a whack job. Those who continue to support his lunacy and corrupt ways only expose themselves to be loonies as well.
I have news for them. As he crashes and burns so do they. Although they've already lost all credibility as being factual or truthful and of sound mind, Trump going down will be the icing on the cake as far as sealing the deal on their intelligence, or lack thereof.
So far, Trump is keeping his campaign promises. Some of them are ill-advised, some of them are necessary for the USA. Possibly everything terrible said about Trump is true, but I'm a "results" person. So waiting to see the net result.
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND
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What sig doesn't want to admit to is that many of Trumps promises were ill-conceived in the first place. Not good ideas at all. Another thing sig won't admit to, is that Trumps ignorance of the issues is visible and he is doing more harm than good. He's just fucking things up.
Here's a promise he made that is a prime example of his bullshit. He said he would take no vacations while he was president.
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Quote:Is reading with comprehension not your "thing" What did i just post, THUGR??? here, let me quote it for you ...
Originally posted by THG:
What sig doesn't want to admit to is that many of Trumps promises were ill-conceived in the first place. Not good ideas at all.
Quote:You really should stop arguing with the voices in your head; things will go a LOT better if you do!
Some of them are ill-advised, some of them are necessary for the USA.
Quote:It's entirely possible that he understands "the issues" just fine, but disagrees completely with the "business as usual" solutions.
Another thing sig won't admit to, is that Trumps ignorance of the issues is visible and he is doing more harm than good. He's just fucking things up.
Now, I'm not defending Trump. I'm withholding judgment. The Q-anon crowd are promising some big reveal "any day now"; they have until the end of Trump's first term to make good on their promises. Until then, I'll be evaluating the effects of Trump's first term in office.
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND
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Quote:The "result" can all be credited to the GOP, not to Trump. Pence could step in to the Presidency and get the same results. Trump lawyer Dowd’s account of a disastrous practice interview confirms our suspicions that Trump literally cannot tell the truth: “I’m not going to sit there and let him look like an idiot. And you publish that transcript, because everything leaks in Washington, and the guys overseas are going to say, ‘I told you he was an idiot. I told you he was a goddamn dumbbell. What are we dealing with this idiot for?'”
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
So far, Trump is keeping his campaign promises. Some of them are ill-advised, some of them are necessary for the USA. Possibly everything terrible said about Trump is true, but I'm a "results" person. So waiting to see the net result.
"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND
This is a president who cannot distinguish lies from truth (and cannot speak without lying). His lies are coming at a faster clip, and the inability to rely on anything he says is potentially paralyzing for Congress, America’s allies and the military. His statements concerning the Russia investigation, we know, are chock-full of lies (e.g., bugging Trump Tower, a spy “planted” on his campaign).
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Quote:Not true. As far as the TPP and the TTIP are concerned, it was Obama and Congressional GOP who were FOR the free trade agreements, Trump was against them.
So far, Trump is keeping his campaign promises. Some of them are ill-advised, some of them are necessary for the USA. Possibly everything terrible said about Trump is true, but I'm a "results" person. So waiting to see the net result. - SIGNY
The "result" can all be credited to the GOP, not to Trump. - SECOND
https://washingtonsblog.com/2016/03/obama-congressional-republicans-in
tend-pass-tpp-law.html
Establishment Republicans are against tariffs, Trump is for them.
Making nice with Russia? Trump is experiencing a lot of pushback from neocons of BOTH parties... another conflict with the GOP.
The GOP seems conflicted about illegal immigration, seeing as they can't seem to pass a reform bill - even tho they have majorities in both houses.
There are policies where Trump and the GOP are on the same page, such as tax cuts and conservative social agenda, but many important places where they aren't. Trump isn't really a Republican, altho he ran on the Republican ticket. His goals are from the entire political spectrum.
Quote:Trump made certain campaign promises, and he's doing more to fulfill them than any other President that I can recall. OTOH, he speaks VERY imprecisely and often only approximates the truth: For example, while Trump Tower was not TECHNICALLY "wiretapped" ... or at least the alphabet agencies aren't willing to admit to it ... it's clear that his campaign WAS being intensely spied on. There are a lot of other examples of the same. He's also prone to exaggerating ridiculous things. Plus, I swear to god, he deliberately feeds misinformation to/trolls the M$M. So overall, I don't pay much attention to what he SAYS. Or, what people say "about" him. What I need to look at are results.
This is a president who cannot distinguish lies from truth (and cannot speak without lying).
I don't expect a President to be able to make much headway in his first term. The effects of some "accomplishments", like the pro-bank/financial sector/speculation, pro-intellectual property, and pro-free trade laws that Clinton signed, or the crazy-assed deficit spending/pro-wealthy tax cuts that Bush signed, may not show up for six years or more. I know that the implications of the "Commodities Futures Trading Modernization Act" went right by me. But one SHOULD be able to get a view of the trends being established in term one. Right now, the Trump administration is cloaked in unpredictability. Whether this is deliberate or a result of a confused President is anyone's guess, so I'm waiting for definitive results to become evident.
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND
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Random headlines:
Secretary Mattis fires back at claims in Woodward's book
Kelly Denies Woodward Book 'Fear' Claim He Called Trump Idiot
Ex-Trump lawyer John Dowd disputes details in Bob Woodward book
"Former George W. Bush press secretary Ari Fleischer ... added: "Anonymous sources have looser lips and may take liberties. But Woodward always plays it straight. Someone told it to him.""
So quoting anonymous sources who make things up makes it 'true', eh Ari?
THUGGER admits it's not about RUSSIA !!! and is, in fact, a witch hunt. "Trump better be innocent of any wrong doing, anywhere, anytime."
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The TOP COMMENT to this op-ed is ...
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But the deep state is just a conspiracy theory!
Quote:Worst? Like ... what?
The Times prefaces the piece with this disclaimer:
The Times today is taking the rare step of publishing an anonymous Op-Ed essay. We have done so at the request of the author, a senior official in the Trump administration whose identity is known to us and whose job would be jeopardized by its disclosure. We believe publishing this essay anonymously is the only way to deliver an important perspective to our readers. We invite you to submit a question about the essay or our vetting process here.
A senior White House official has published an anonymous op-ed in the New York Times titled:
I Am Part of the Resistance Inside the Trump Administration (I work for the president but like-minded colleagues and I have vowed to thwart parts of his agenda and his worst inclinations.
President Trump is facing a test to his presidency unlike any faced by a modern American leader.
It’s not just that the special counsel looms large. Or that the country is bitterly divided over Mr. Trump’s leadership. Or even that his party might well lose the House to an opposition hellbent on his downfall.
The dilemma — which he does not fully grasp — is that many of the senior officials in his own administration are working diligently from within to frustrate parts of his agenda and his worst inclinations.
Quote:The FBI? The CIA? The NSA?
I would know. I am one of them.
To be clear, ours is not the popular “resistance” of the left. We want the administration to succeed and think that many of its policies have already made America safer and more prosperous.
But we believe our first duty is to this country, and the president continues to act in a manner that is detrimental to the health of our republic.
That is why many Trump appointees have vowed to do what we can to preserve our democratic institutions
Quote:Huh. So establishment Republicans don't like Trump because he's against ...
while thwarting Mr. Trump’s more misguided impulses until he is out of office.
The root of the problem is the president’s amorality. Anyone who works with him knows he is not moored to any discernible first principles that guide his decision making.
Although he was elected as a Republican, the president shows little affinity for ideals long espoused by conservatives: free minds, free markets and free people.
"...free minds" I have no idea what a "free mind" is, or how Trump is against that. Bloviation, perhaps.
"...free markets" Well, yes, he's against free trade. That much is clear, and that's why some people voted for him
"... free people" Again, what does this mean? Does this person think that Trump should be "freeing" people all around the world? Hard to tell. But knowing conservative Republicans, I suspect that to them free minds = free markets, and free people = free markets, so this is probably really all about free trade.
Quote:It is. It IS, however, a child of the corporations and the bosom-buddy of the alphabet agencies
At best, he has invoked these ideals in scripted settings. At worst, he has attacked them outright.
In addition to his mass-marketing of the notion that the press is the “enemy of the people,”
Quote:Yes
President Trump’s impulses are generally anti-trade
Quote:How so? The author has made this claim 2.5 times by now, with not even one example.
and anti-democratic.
Quote:Typical establishment GOP goals.
Don’t get me wrong. There are bright spots that the near-ceaseless negative coverage of the administration fails to capture: effective deregulation, historic tax reform, a more robust military and more.
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But these successes have come despite — not because of — the president’s leadership style, which is impetuous, adversarial, petty and ineffective.
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I haven't decided whether that op-ed is genuine or not, who the audience is suppose to be, what it's purpose is short term or long term. It has a phony ring to it often but that could just be poor writing skills. Is it Pence as some have suggested, trying to save his future, seeing the way the world is swaying? Don McGahn? I bet we'll know soon enough.
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Quote:You could certainly decide that Trump is more than half crazy. He is never calm : Trump responded by questioning whether the anonymous senior White House official even existed, tweeting: "Does the so-called 'Senior Administration Official' really exist, or is it just the Failing New York Times with another phony source? If the GUTLESS anonymous person does indeed exist, the Times must, for National Security purposes, turn him/her over to government at once!"
Originally posted by captaincrunch:
I haven't decided whether that op-ed is genuine or not, who the audience is suppose to be, what it's purpose is short term or long term. It has a phony ring to it often but that could just be poor writing skills. Is it Pence as some have suggested, trying to save his future, seeing the way the world is swaying? Don McGahn? I bet we'll know soon enough.
www.foxnews.com/us/2018/09/06/fox-news-first-trump-wants-white-house-o
fficial-behind-ny-times-op-ed-ided-doj-targets-conservative-censorship.html
In a previous tweet, Trump wrote "TREASON?" The top comment was "No, "TREASON" is when you conspire with a foreign country to rig an election in your favor..."
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1037464177269514240
Maybe Trump's lawyers will tell him that the mystery editorial writer cannot be executed for TREASON on a President's orders. If Trump does have the execution order typed and ready for his signature, maybe somebody will steal it off Trump's desk. Soon enough he will forget all about it in the dizzying swirl of chaos spinning around in the Oval Office.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Jimmy Kimmel noted that the anonymous op-ed arrived at nearly the exact same moment as Bob Woodward’s new book, Fear: Trump in the White House, which the president has been deriding as “total fiction.”
“He’s doing a really good job of plugging this book he thinks is total fiction,” Kimmel said.
The host added about Trump: “That would be like, for instance, someone knowingly and falsely claiming the first African-American president was born in Kenya and was not an American, you know?”
www.thedailybeast.com/jimmy-kimmel-is-sure-mike-pence-wrote-anti-trump
-new-york-times-op-ed
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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