Bob Woodward’s New Book, ‘Fear’

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SECOND

Wednesday, September 5, 2018 3:49 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I don't follow Twitter and so I don't really pay attention to Trump tweets.
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Is it gossip if Trump does it in writing? Yesterday? The president of the United States — the country’s chief law-enforcement officer — is berating his own Attorney General for bringing criminal charges against two Republicans.
But I have noticed something interesting about the Trump WH ... if Trump says you're a great guy (or gal) you're probably about to be fired. So what does it mean if Trump constantly gripes about you? Because, for all the tweets ... Sessions is still in place, isn't he?
:shrug:

The entire point was that Trump does NOT want the law enforced against Republicans. Trump expected that Sessions' understanding of the law was the same as Trump's law: DO NOT CHARGE REPUBLICANS. That "law" only proves Trump is ignorant. Where will Trump find a replacement for Sessions? It would have to be somebody who believed his job was to not charge Republicans. Somebody who believed that probably would not be confirmed by the Senate, especially if Sessions was asked to testify why he was fired.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

6IXSTRINGJACK

Wednesday, September 5, 2018 7:44 AM

Where's Bernstein? Did they break up like Cheech and Chong did?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

SIGNYM

Wednesday, September 5, 2018 9:04 AM

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The entire point was that Trump does NOT want the law enforced against Republicans.

The entire point is that IF Trump's supposed dislike of Sessions is one giant head-fake, why should I not wonder if Trump's criticism of the indictments is ALSO a giant head-fake?

I'm holding my judgment in abeyance. There are two narratives out there, both of them sound equally preposterous. The first is that Trump is a brain-dead stooge who would have never made it into the WH without Russian help ("help" to date seems pretty paltry and ineffectual.) That the Russians have some sort of "dirt" on Trump ... something about getting peed on by hookers ... which is worse that what Trump has already been accused of?

The second narrative is that Trump is a preternaturally devious mastermind, who has cooked up an entire scheme to bring down the deep state and its M$M partners, and that he's accomplished this partly by appearing to be imbecilic and irrational. I would think that the second version is completely out of the question except that I then recall the VERY long list of DOJ and FBI officers who've been fired, demoted, or resigned. So somebody somewhere must be doing SOMEthing to drain the swamp ...

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876

SECOND

Wednesday, September 5, 2018 7:09 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

I'm holding my judgment in abeyance. There are two narratives out there, both of them sound equally preposterous.

There is a third narrative out there: Trump is imperious, impatient and immature, a King Baby of presidents, a man who is incapable of rising to the demands of the most important job on earth.

Trump makes the case against himself at
www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/9/5/17819008/donald-trump-impeach
ment-sessions-kavanaugh-woodward
"It is a strange truism of this White House that the most damning, unanswerable, unforgettable revelations come from President Trump himself."

CAPTAINCRUNCH

Wednesday, September 5, 2018 8:03 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
The entire point is that IF Trump's supposed dislike of Sessions is one giant head-fake, why should I not wonder if Trump's criticism of the indictments is ALSO a giant head-fake?

It's pretty standard Trump tactics to use bullying and berating to INFLUENCE people - in this case, to INFLUENCE Sessions to end the Mueller investigation and protect pro-Trump anyone.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I'm holding my judgment in abeyance. There are two narratives out there, both of them sound equally preposterous. The first is that Trump is a brain-dead stooge who would have never made it into the WH without Russian help ("help" to date seems pretty paltry and ineffectual.) That the Russians have some sort of "dirt" on Trump ... something about getting peed on by hookers ... which is worse that what Trump has already been accused of?

No one cares about the hookers' stuff for the very reason you mentioned (he's already admitted to similar) unless you're trying to sell questionable books OR trying to undercut the Dossier = Republicans.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
The second narrative is that Trump is a preternaturally devious mastermind, who has cooked up an entire scheme to bring down the deep state and its M$M partners, and that he's accomplished this partly by appearing to be imbecilic and irrational. I would think that the second version is completely out of the question except that I then recall the VERY long list of DOJ and FBI officers who've been fired, demoted, or resigned. So somebody somewhere must be doing SOMEthing to drain the swamp ...

Being fired or demoted or resigning does not make someone guilty of any crimes does it? Actual real criminal activity seems to be the sole specialty of Trump's campaign gang.

And yes, someone somewhere is draining the swamp - Mueller.

SIGNYM

Wednesday, September 5, 2018 8:16 PM

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There is a third narrative out there: Trump is imperious, impatient and immature, a King Baby of presidents, a man who is incapable of rising to the demands of the most important job on earth.- SECOND

And a fourth narrative: Trump's intolerance for The Way Things Are Done In DC is exactly what is needed to drain the swamp.

We can probably ping-pong these ideas around forever, but I long ago decided to not pay attention to what politicians SAY (not even on Twitter!) and instead pay attention to what politicians DO (and, the follow-on effect that their actions have).

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FOR EXAMPLE (This is about Obama, so if you don't want to read it just skip this para) despite all of Obama's blah-nlah-blah, he continued throwing money at big banks, and was a friend of big corporations and globalists and did nothing to reverse the increasing wealth gap. Despite his talk about the most transparent government ever, he prosecuted more whistleblowers than all previous Presidents COMBINED and ramped up surveillance to near-universality (until he was outed). And altho he voted against the Iraq War (one of the reasons that I voted for him over Hillary in 2008) he still believed in interfering everywhere, just more cheaply, using the CIA, NGOs, spec ops, proxies, and mercs. Yanno, "leading from behind".
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So I look at Trump, and so far he hasn't started any new wars ... which is a big change from the previous five Presidents and a giant plus. He backed out of the TTP and TTIP, also a giant plus, since our regulatory decisions remain in the hands (and courts) of our local and national governments. He's more successful at controlling/discouraging illegal immigration than previous Presidents, also a big plus. He seems to be draining deep state actors (unelected officials who defy democratic control) within the FBI and DOJ, one person at a time, which is a good thing but there is still a lot more to go. So far the CIA, NSA, and Pentagon remain untouched. (But, as I think about it, his habit of hiring and firing people from the WH might be another way of taking people out of power. All of that "churn" may have a purpose.) And he's causing the M$M to discredit itself. He is TRYING to set the stage for the re-industrialization of the United States, which I think is extremely important for both national security AND economic resilience, and reduce our "entanglements" abroad which put a huge financial burden on the USA economy and which disadvantage us relative to Germany, Japan, and S Korea.

On the other hand, he increased the Federal deficit tremendously (altho it's already so high as to be unpayable), will set up a socially-conservative Supreme Court, is trashing our environmental regulations, and defunding government welfare/assistance programs.

His record on achieving peace with N Korea and in the Mideast (Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, Iran, Palestine) in yet to be written.

Of all of the negatives that I perceive with the Trump administration, only one (Supreme Court) is irreversible in the medium term. (And THAT can be countered by Congress writing better legislation.)

There is life beyond Trump.

So far, he's creating a better situation than when he arrived in office. The next term President (whether that's him or someone else) will have a much better platform from which to act.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876

SECOND

Wednesday, September 5, 2018 9:28 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

There is life beyond Trump.

So far, he's creating a better situation than when he arrived in office. The next term President (whether that's him or someone else) will have a much better platform from which to act.

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

White House touts 52 ‘accomplishments'

Signed the biggest package of tax cuts and reforms in history. After tax cuts, over $300 billion dollars poured back in to the U.S. in the first quarter alone.

As a result of our tax bill, small businesses will have the lowest top marginal tax rate in more than 80 years.

Opened ANWR & Approved Keystone XL and Dakota Access Pipelines.

Obamacare individual mandate penalty GONE.

Increased our coal exports by 60%; U.S. oil production recently reached all-time high.

Withdrew the United States from the job-killing Paris Climate Accord.

Canceled the illegal, anti-coal, so-called Clean Power Plan.

Secured record $700 billion dollars in military funding; $716 billion next year.

Process has begun to make the Space Force the 6th branch of the armed forces.

Confirmed more circuit court judges than any other new administration.

Confirmed Supreme Court Justice Neil Gorsuch; Nominated Judge Brett Kavanagh.

Withdrew from the horrible, one-sided Iran Deal.

Moved U.S. Embassy to Jerusalem.

Issued executive order to keep open Guantanamo Bay.

We have begun BUILDING THE WALL. Republicans want STRONG BORDERS and NO CRIME. Democrats want OPEN BORDERS which equals MASSIVE CRIME.

More at www.washingtonexaminer.com/washington-secrets/list-white-house-touts-5
3-accomplishments-woodward-ignored

or

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/sanders-woodward-trump-book-fab
ricated

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

THG

Wednesday, September 5, 2018 9:33 PM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Where's Bernstein? Did they break up like Cheech and Chong did?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Wow, you really are totally culturally uneducated. It's mind blowing. You must be living under a rock. Your post goes a long way in explaining why all your opinions and beliefs come from a place of ignorance.

Add to that your admittance that you don't source information because you see everyone as lying. That you read something here and then formulate a opinion based on well, nothin from nothin equals nothin.

T

SIGNYM

Wednesday, September 5, 2018 9:40 PM

How about responding to my post, SECOND, instead of once again splattering the board with second-hand opinions? Many of the points that you quoted I consider to be temporary, so whether you (or I) think that they're positive or negative it pretty pointless.

For example:

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Increased our coal exports by 60%

could be reversed with changing market forces while

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U.S. oil production recently reached all-time high

fracking, so capital-intensive, is completely dependent on low interest rates and would collapse with higher rates, while

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Issued executive order to keep open Guantanamo Bay

is taking credit for Congress' stalling Gitmo's closure under Obama. (if it was closed already, Trump wouldn't be able to "keep" it open).

Higher military spending? Can be undone by Congress. Space Force? Small potatoes, funding-wise (plus, the Air Force wants to keep space programs under its wing, so to speak. You might not see a lot of development on this.) Withdrew from Paris Climate Accord but was able to keep regulatory decisions "at home", so once the regulatory climate changes (so to speak) the USA will be free to adopt its own approach (which might otherwise conflict with transnationals' "normal and expected profits"). Backing out of the Iran deal ... there was something hinky going on with the original deal. I'm still trying to puzzle that one out, but I think Trump should have stayed in.

HOWEVER, what I find interesting is that Trump is pissing off the Europeans so badly that they might actually set up their own SWIFT and military; not a bad thing for the USA, I think.

Being able to set up a cohort of conservative judges is important and difficult to reverse.

-----------
Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876

THG

Wednesday, September 5, 2018 9:40 PM

Trumps nothing but a whack job. Those who continue to support his lunacy and corrupt ways only expose themselves to be loonies as well.

I have news for them. As he crashes and burns so do they. Although they've already lost all credibility as being factual or truthful and of sound mind, Trump going down will be the icing on the cake as far as sealing the deal on their intelligence, or lack thereof.

T

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