Bob Woodward’s New Book, ‘Fear’

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SIGNYM

Wednesday, September 12, 2018 12:30 AM

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Pres. Trump's paranoia is showing. -SECOND

Your bias is showing. It's not paranoia if they're really out to get you.

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Most presidents would seek to calm the roiling waters of their White House.- SECOND

Most Presidents would promise their constituents anything to get elected, and then quickly revert to doing whatever the establishment/deep state wanted them to do.

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Trump is not most presidents.-SECOND

WHICH IS WHY SO MANY PEOPLE VOTED FOR HIM.

Your extreme anti-GOP bias prevents you from seeing the obvious, SECOND ... the middle class has been sucked dry for decades and people are ANGRY. They don't want "more of the same", they've HAD "more of the same" and yanno what? It's just not working for them. They want results, not a flim-flam man (or woman) tossing out empty promises.

NPR had an interesting interview with a bookwriter who went on a Greyhound bus trip from NYC to LA, in order to get a sense of what his main character would find when he took his fictional trip across the country. (A review of the book is here https://www.npr.org/2018/09/04/644546989/lake-success-offers-a-roadsid
e-view-of-america-on-the-verge-of-trump). What the AUTHOR found, in his trip across the country was this ...

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Well, first of all, people told me that - in so many ways, people told me they were incredibly dissatisfied with their lives... There was no happiness to be found, except in very small doses. But I also learned that a lot of our country is very, very angry.

https://www.npr.org/2018/09/08/645818891/leaving-billions-behind-in-la
ke-success Now, I know that you'll point to "racism" as the cause, but really ... "racism" was not as much of an issue until people got badly hurt, financially, and STAYED financially vulnerable. They were willing to overlook "race" (or even hail it as a positive indicator) when they voted for Obama. The slowly declining middle class went off a cliff in 2008. But then DEMS - including Obama - failed to heed the warnings, and instead of FIXING THE PROBLEM went off in a fugue of divisive identity politics. You followed them, and you're still stuck in it.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876

SHINYGOODGUY

Wednesday, September 12, 2018 12:50 PM

Hey Siggy, do you smell a conspiracy? Deep State? Easter Bunny?

sgg

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Saddam has WMD!!! Be afraid!! Be very afraid!!!

Or, employ a little bit of skepticism. A book filled with gossip, released two months before the elections? Gee, whooda thunk?

Personally, I'd ignore everything that was anonymously sourced, and only pay attention to statements with names attached. At least you can follow up with that.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876

SHINYGOODGUY

Wednesday, September 12, 2018 12:54 PM

Atta girl Siggy, By George she's got it, I think she's got it.
You have mastered the art of Trumpism. Deflect and dodge, with a side order
of deny.

sgg

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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If the president can use anon sources then why can't the press?
He does? I guess I pay so little attention that I don't even know when it happened.

Gossip: Somebody (Woodward) said that somebody (anonymous) said.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876

SHINYGOODGUY

Wednesday, September 12, 2018 12:57 PM

Right next to the Hilary trashing section....imagine that!

sgg

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Originally posted by whozit:
ANOTHER Trump trashing book, they should have a section at book stores just for them.

CAPTAINCRUNCH

Wednesday, September 12, 2018 5:46 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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SECOND, it's not Woodward and his "source" it's Woodward and his (mostly) anonymous sources. So first of all, I don't trust anonymous sources.

And his NAMED sources all deny that they ever said anything like what's in his book. How do you account for that? What good does it do to print someone's statement, only to have it denied by the very person who supposedly said it?

I agree with SIX: Ever since Trump got elected, it's been nonstop bullshit from the M$M. (Oh, and from you too.) And it's no surprise that the criticism would ramp up two months before the mid-terms. This is not honest reporting. The RUSSIA!!RUSSIA!!RUSSIA!! narrative failed; this obviously just a different tack, timed to drive Trump from office. .

Don't mistake my criticism of the M$M as a defense of Trump, because there's a lot to criticize on their side, mostly their dishonesty. SIGNY

You have now become the funniest poster on this forum - really - the sh*t you post is hilarious. What we see from you on a daily basis is you saying something is true without any proof or even any honest attempts at basic logic. You just say something is true and that's it.

For instance:

"As I posted, the Trump administration is cloaked in unpredictability; and I think this is deliberate."

Really? All of this deliberate? The resignations as well? The guilty pleas all right on schedule? What a strategy!
I'll get to this later.

Aw damn SIGGY, you didn't "get to this later" like you said you would and just like I predicted. It was just another dodge - Sad!

You definitely are a student of Trump's moves/lies - new idol? The friend of my friend is my friend?

6IXSTRINGJACK

Wednesday, September 12, 2018 5:48 PM

One of these days, we might stop swimming in hyperbole.

I still hold out hope.

At least 90% of the people in the country don't really give a shit about any of this and the Looney Toons are pretty much only found on the Internet.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

REAVERFAN

Wednesday, September 12, 2018 6:21 PM

Woodward's book just confirms what the Times op-ed said, but in more detail.

Republicans are great at cheating their way into office. They know how to get elected.

They DON'T know how to govern.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Wednesday, September 12, 2018 6:25 PM

Is he stupid, or is he evil.

Pick one.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

SECOND

Wednesday, September 12, 2018 7:27 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:
Pres. Trump's paranoia is showing. -SECOND
Your bias is showing. It's not paranoia if they're really out to get you.

Quote:
Most presidents would seek to calm the roiling waters of their White House.- SECOND
Most Presidents would promise their constituents anything to get elected, and then quickly revert to doing whatever the establishment/deep state wanted them to do.

Quote:
Trump is not most presidents.-SECOND
WHICH IS WHY SO MANY PEOPLE VOTED FOR HIM.

Your extreme anti-GOP bias prevents you from seeing the obvious, SECOND ... the middle class has been sucked dry for decades and people are ANGRY. They don't want "more of the same", they've HAD "more of the same" and yanno what? It's just not working for them. They want results, not a flim-flam man (or woman) tossing out empty promises.

NPR had an interesting interview with a bookwriter who went on a Greyhound bus trip from NYC to LA, in order to get a sense of what his main character would find when he took his fictional trip across the country. (A review of the book is here https://www.npr.org/2018/09/04/644546989/lake-success-offers-a-roadsid
e-view-of-america-on-the-verge-of-trump). What the AUTHOR found, in his trip across the country was this ...

Quote:
Well, first of all, people told me that - in so many ways, people told me they were incredibly dissatisfied with their lives... There was no happiness to be found, except in very small doses. But I also learned that a lot of our country is very, very angry.
https://www.npr.org/2018/09/08/645818891/leaving-billions-behind-in-la
ke-success Now, I know that you'll point to "racism" as the cause, but really ... "racism" was not as much of an issue until people got badly hurt, financially, and STAYED financially vulnerable. They were willing to overlook "race" (or even hail it as a positive indicator) when they voted for Obama. The slowly declining middle class went off a cliff in 2008. But then DEMS - including Obama - failed to heed the warnings, and instead of FIXING THE PROBLEM went off in a fugue of divisive identity politics. You followed them, and you're still stuck in it.

-----------
Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876

How to answer? Maybe with an example of how politics cannot possibly do what Signym wants it to do because American voters are who they are. Pick a problem, say, raising the minimum wage to $20 per hour. The majority of American voters, D or R or I, would be opposed. It is a minority of voters, the poorly paid, who will get any benefit from raising the minimum. That is why neither party is for raising it high and immediately.

Take another example: Spending too much money on the military. The majority of American voters are fearful that their lives will be put into jeopardy if spending is lowered. (I’m not afraid, but that is me) The majority of voters have never traveled to any place the U.S. military or the CIA have destabilized. (I have.) The majority will never touch the blood of those who the military or CIA hurt or kill. (I have seen them hurt and kill.) The result is that both parties keep voting for increasing military spending because the majority of voters don’t care about any harm the military does. We’ve got to Support the Troops, you know! The Troops Keep Us Free! You've all have heard the bullshit.

Take health care as another problem. The majority of voters are getting to the doctor. The majority does not care what happens to those who can’t afford to go. That’s why Obamacare is in trouble. The majority don’t give a damn about pe

SIGNYM

Wednesday, September 12, 2018 9:04 PM

SECOND, you have a warped view of Americans. Like here, you don't see people for who they really are, you're just arguing with the "Texas Republican" cardboard cutout that you have in your head. Maybe you should get out of Texas once in a while.

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Pick a problem, say, raising the minimum wage to $20 per hour. The majority of American voters, D or R or I, would be opposed. It is a minority of voters, the poorly paid, who will get any benefit from raising the minimum. That is why neither party is for raising it high and immediately. - SECOND

Of course, not raising the minimum wage has nothing to with the fact that big business has a stranglehold on Congress??

If people were so opposed to a minimum wage increase, then none of the states would ever increase their minimum wage, and yet this year alone, 18 states have increased their minimum wage.
https://www.inc.com/huffington-post/minimum-wage-changes-new-law-2018.
html

In fact

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Minimum wage bumps tend to be popular with the general public, with support often crossing partisan lines. A HuffPost YouGov poll last year found that more than half of all Americans thought a minimum wage raise would be good for workers, while only a third thought it would be a bad idea. The backing was greatest -- and most bipartisan -- for a modest hike to $10.10, as opposed to a bolder raise to $15.

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Take another example: Spending too much money on the military. The majority of American voters are fearful that their lives will be put into jeopardy if spending is lowered. (I’m not afraid, but that is me) The majority of voters have never traveled to any place the U.S. military or the CIA have destabilized. (I have.) The majority will never touch the blood of those who the military or CIA hurt or kill. (I have seen them hurt and kill.) The result is that both parties keep voting for increasing military spending because the majority of voters don’t care about any harm the military does. We’ve got to Support the Troops, you know! The Troops Keep Us Free! You've all have heard the bullshit.

WHO spouts that bullshit endlessly??
THE MEDIA.
SECOND, if you were old enough to volunteer for Vietnam that makes you maybe two or three years older than me. So you've lived long enough to see the hype and bullshit that precedes every one of our "interventions" ...
NORIEGA IS A BIG BAD TYRANT DRUG RUNNER!
CUBA IS SETTING UP A BASE ON GRENADA!!
BABIES IN INCUBATORS!

Surely, you couldn't have missed the orgy of fear-mongering that preceded the second Iraq invasion??
WMD!!
9-11!!
MUSHROOM CLOUD!!
BIOWEAPONS!
YELLOW CAKE!

Once the media stops thumping for war, Americans go back to being a lot more relaxed about the world. One of the reasons why people voted for Obama instead of Hillary is because one of the FEW things that Obama could point to in his rather skimpy voting record is that he voted AGAINST the Iraq war, while Hillary voted FOR it. One of the reasons why some people voted for Trump is because he too seemed to promise an end to our endless wars. Americans aren't a bloodthirsty lot, but they're driven mad by the media.

Where I fault most Americans is that they NEVER SEEM TO LEARN. They are, for the most part, honest and trusting of our government and the media, and can't imagine that our government and media would construct and maintain such giant, whopping, 100% bullshit. long-term falsehoods. That our government and especially the media have concocted an alternate reality ... where people are all detectives or lawyers or corporate executives and live in fancy NYC apartments, and everyone is having more fun and has more money than they do, and if you don't live in that media fantasy then you're a "deplorable". But then, Americans are conditioned by "the media" (advertising and entertainment) not to think critically about ... well, anything.

BTW - That's how I characterize the RUSSIA!! RUSSIA

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