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Bob Woodward’s New Book, ‘Fear’

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Tuesday, September 11, 2018 5:38 AM

Aside from a whole swath of people who disavow their purported quotes in the book ...

"They are not anonymous to me." - R. Woodward

... what I find extremely telling about Woodward is that he's struggling to distinguish the concept 'anonymous' from 'unnamed'. His inability to accurately name simple concepts indicates a serious mental decline in a writer.




THUGGER admits it's not about RUSSIA !!! and is, in fact, a witch hunt. "Trump better be innocent of any wrong doing, anywhere, anytime."

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Tuesday, September 11, 2018 1:06 PM

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"You crank out the great Washington denial machine," he says. "I've seen this over the years, going back to the Nixon case."

"Time and time again people will deny things," Woodward says. "I understand people have to protect their positions. But I've done hundreds of hours of interviews with people. ... These things happened." -SECOND



Well, speaking of denial ...

Obama, in a recent speech, stuffed the whole Benghazi massacre into the "conspiracy theory" box.

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Shortly thereafter, Paronto took offense to Obama referring to Benghazi as a conspiracy theory when he said: "over the past few decades, the politics of division and resentment and paranoia has unfortunately found a home in the Republican party," Obama said, before attacking Republicans in Congress for peddling "wild conspiracy theories like those surrounding Benghazi."
Well, needless to say, a former Ranger (who was working as contract security in Benghazi) WHO WAS THERE took exception to Obama's labeling the massacre as a "conspiracy theory" and tweeted ...

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Benghazi is a conspiracy @BarackObama ?! How bout we do this, let’s put your cowardly ass on the top of a roof with 6 of your buddies&shoot rpg’s&Ak47’s at you while terrorists lob 81mm mortars killing 2 of your buddies all while waiting for US support that you never sent????#scum


"Kris Paronto is credited with saving 20 lives at Benghazi."

Now, you have to realize that Hillary, the then-CIA director Morell, AND Obama undertook to cover up exactly what happened there, first attempting to "explain" the attack as an unpredicted reaction to an anti-Muslim movie (not true) and THEN as a spontaneous riot (also not true). Paronto is very definite that the contractor were told to STAND DOWN while the consulate was under attack, and that they defied orders and went to rescue personnel anyway, and were left hung out to dry by the military.

So the fact that Obama would continue to push the facts of the massacre as a "conspiracy theory" means that Obama is just a lying weasel, eager to deny facts that make him (and his party and his backers) look bad.

So you see, it's really hard to decide: Who is worse- Trump, or his enemies?

Paronto, for his efforts to set the record straight, was SUSPENDED FROM TWITTER. Clearly, Twitter isn't deciding on who get banned based on the truth of what they tweet, or even on the hostility of tone (Twitter had let open death threats stand) but on some some opaque and nonsensical "algorithm" that just happens to let liberal "fake news" thru but not conservative real news.




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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

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Tuesday, September 11, 2018 3:57 PM

Great Britain continued to function despite its King going crazy. So too America can function despite its President:

In 1778 George III lapsed into a months-long period of violent insanity. He was restrained with a straitjacket and suffered various treatments as crisis of rule unfolded around him. He recovered the next year and reigned for the next 12. George suffered a second major bout of insanity in 1804 and recovered, but in 1810 he slipped into his final illness. A year later his son, the future George IV, became prince regent, giving him effective rule for the War of 1812 and Napoleon’s final defeat at Waterloo in 1815.
-- www.history.com/topics/british-history/george-iii

America’s last king: The unsettling parallels between King George III and Donald Trump
Inexperienced authoritarian with a habit of blasting out his opinions in the wee hours of the morn? Sounds familiar. Demanding absolute loyalty? Not trusting anyone more popular than he was, and detesting all opposition? If this sounds familiar, it fits not only Trump but America’s last king, George III.
-- www.salon.com/2017/06/25/americas-last-king-the-unsettling-parallels-b
etween-king-george-iii-and-donald-trump
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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Tuesday, September 11, 2018 7:02 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Obama, in a recent speech, stuffed the whole Benghazi massacre into the "conspiracy theory" box.

Quote:

Shortly thereafter, Paronto took offense to Obama referring to Benghazi as a conspiracy theory when he said: "over the past few decades, the politics of division and resentment and paranoia has unfortunately found a home in the Republican party," Obama said, before attacking Republicans in Congress for peddling "wild conspiracy theories like those surrounding Benghazi."
Well, needless to say, a former Ranger (who was working as contract security in Benghazi) WHO WAS THERE took exception to Obama's labeling the massacre as a "conspiracy theory" and tweeted ...

Quote:

Benghazi is a conspiracy @BarackObama ?! How bout we do this, let’s put your cowardly ass on the top of a roof with 6 of your buddies&shoot rpg’s&Ak47’s at you while terrorists lob 81mm mortars killing 2 of your buddies all while waiting for US support that you never sent????#scum


"Kris Paronto is credited with saving 20 lives at Benghazi."

Now, you have to realize that Hillary, the then-CIA director Morell, AND Obama undertook to cover up exactly what happened there, first attempting to "explain" the attack as an unpredicted reaction to an anti-Muslim movie (not true) and THEN as a spontaneous riot (also not true). Paronto is very definite that the contractor were told to STAND DOWN while the consulate was under attack, and that they defied orders and went to rescue personnel anyway, and were left hung out to dry by the military.

So the fact that Obama would continue to push the facts of the massacre as a "conspiracy theory" means that Obama is just a lying weasel, eager to deny facts that make him (and his party and his backers) look bad.



First: way to misdirect with Obama, Clinton and Benghazi - Yahtzee!
Plus: Great mischaracterization of what Obama was talking about specifically. Obama was talking about the 7 attempts to hang Benghazi on Hillary Clinton. That was the conspiracy - which it clearly was. How do I know? All of them failed! What does that tell you?

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Paronto, for his efforts to set the record straight, was SUSPENDED FROM TWITTER. Clearly, Twitter isn't deciding on who get banned based on the truth of what they tweet, or even on the hostility of tone (Twitter had let open death threats stand) but on some some opaque and nonsensical "algorithm" that just happens to let liberal "fake news" thru but not conservative real news.



Hey, my "G" account was removed by "algorithm" should I b*tch to Haken? Or just accept that this is his forum and his rules even if I don't like them?

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Tuesday, September 11, 2018 8:26 PM

Woodward, a Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist, said the book is based on first-hand reporting and anonymous White House sources, including some who were extremely reluctant to disclose information, or even speak with him.

“You need to be patient. You go to their house and you knock on their door,” he said, explaining his method for cultivating good sources. “You ask if they have any documents -- because no one who works at the White House doesn't bring home notes -- and they say ‘no no,’ and then about the third visit they say, 'Yeah, I might have something upstairs,' and then they come down with three boxes,” he said.

“In the CIA, they tell people to ‘let the silence suck out the truth,’ so, just be quiet and people want to talk,” he added.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/bob-woodward-reveals-shocked-trump-boo
k/story?id=57739343


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Tuesday, September 11, 2018 8:27 PM

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First: way to misdirect with Obama, Clinton and Benghazi - Yahtzee!
Plus: Great mischaracterization of what Obama was talking about specifically. Obama was talking about the 7 attempts to hang Benghazi on Hillary Clinton. That was the conspiracy - which it clearly was.

Links please
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How do I know?
I don't know ... how DO you know? LINKS PLEASE

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All of them failed! What does that tell you?
I had no idea that there were seven. SEVEN! My gosh! They failed so absolutely I didn't even know they existed!!!

Any explanation that doesn't account for Paronto's recollection that they were told to STAND DOWN multiple times, and that this was a pre-planned and well-coordinated attack (according to the DIA) is a whitewash.

-----------
Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876

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Tuesday, September 11, 2018 9:06 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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First: way to misdirect with Obama, Clinton and Benghazi - Yahtzee!
Plus: Great mischaracterization of what Obama was talking about specifically. Obama was talking about the 7 attempts to hang Benghazi on Hillary Clinton. That was the conspiracy - which it clearly was.

Links please
Quote:

How do I know?
I don't know ... how DO you know? LINKS PLEASE



How do I link to "common f*cking sense?" What's your theory? He was admitting to there being a cover up, because that makes sense!

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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All of them failed! What does that tell you?
I had no idea that there were seven. SEVEN! My gosh! They failed so absolutely I didn't even know they existed!!!



Explains a lot!

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Any explanation that doesn't account for Paronto's recollection that they were told to STAND DOWN multiple times, and that this was a pre-planned and well-coordinated attack (according to the DIA) is a whitewash.



How would any of us here know the what or the why of those orders if they were given the way he recollects? 7 failed investigations - maybe you think there should be 7 more?

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Tuesday, September 11, 2018 9:18 PM

"Deep state." Are there lizard people, too? LOL!

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Tuesday, September 11, 2018 10:42 PM

The op-ed and the Woodward book have led to new levels of suspicion among his staff, many of whom were already at odds with each other. Trump wants a criminal investigation into the matter.

This sort of paranoia and backbiting is the direct result of Trump's management style. He's made no secret of the fact that he likes to watch his advisers fight it out over policy. He also purposely plays favorites and seems to change his views on people at the drop of a hat. John Kelly was going to bring order to the White House as chief of staff. Then Kelly was on the outs because he was limiting Trump's ability to be himself. Then Trump said Kelly had agreed to stay on as chief of staff for the entirety of his presidency. Then Kelly might be the person who wrote the op-ed. And on and on and on.

This sort of snake-pit environment is what Trump knows best. In business, he often would play top aides off against one another under the belief, according to him, that it brought out the best in everyone involved. In his previous life as a reality TV producer/star, the snake pit was ratings gold.

Drama is a very good thing in reality TV. When trying to, you know, run the country, drama is a less-good thing. Drama distracts. Everyone. From doing their job.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Tuesday, September 11, 2018 10:48 PM

Pres. Trump's paranoia is showing.

Donald Trump Jr. expressed concern Tuesday about the dwindling number of White House staffers loyal to his father, who has railed about an anonymous op-ed by a senior administration official who painted a grim picture of the president.

“I think there are people in there that he can trust, it’s just — it’s a much smaller group than I would like it to be,” Trump Jr., 40, said on ABC’s “Good Morning America.”

“It would be easier to get things done if you’re able to fully trust everyone around you,” he added. “I think that’s a shame.”

Most presidents would seek to calm the roiling waters of their White House. Trump is not most presidents. Everything we know about Trump suggests that he will not rest until he has a name or names to blame. It's who he is. And you don't change who you are suddenly at age 72 and as the President of the United States.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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