Bob Woodward’s New Book, ‘Fear’

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6IXSTRINGJACK

Friday, September 7, 2018 6:41 PM

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Originally posted by second:

Donald Trump replaces terrorism as Germans' greatest fear

Yeah. I'm trying to sift through this one right now. Language barriers are a new thing when it comes to the challenge of debunking surveys. I'm probably only about one in a million people who actually bothered to do a little research and get this far, since none of numerous articles about this study bothered to link to it. Imagine my surprise.

https://www.ruv.de/presse/aengste-der-deutschen

I can't say that I'm used to an insurance company being the entity that conducts surveys either.

Greater breakdown of study here: https://www.ruv.de/presse/aengste-der-deutschen/grafiken-die-aengste-d
er-deutschen

What I have been able to gleen so far is that this survey was 21 questions asked to 2,335 people as young as 14 years old. I haven't found a breakdown of how many were minors, or any explanation why minors were even polled about this. I also have not been able to discern the political leanings of anybody who was surveyed either, or how many were men or women, or how many natural German citizens were polled versus immigrants, particularly from the Middle East and Africa.

The meat of the survey seems to be presented in the following PDF. Unfortunately, Google Translate claims that it is too large to translate. If anybody can find out another way to translate this, I'd appreciate it.

https://www.ruv.de/static-files/ruvde/Content/presse/die-aengste-der-d
eutschen/aengste-grafiken/ruv-aengste-grafiken.pdf

EDIT: There doesn't seem to be any breakdown presented at all about the political leanings of those surveyed. There also seems to be zero distinction between natural German citizens vs immigrants, or any information about how many men vs how many women were surveyed. This should surprise no one since under Merkle and EU leadership, Germany is the current SJW capitol of the world and any such distinctions would be considered sexist or racist.

Unless anybody digs any further to find out these pertinent details, I suggest we throw this survey out as ideological propaganda.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

SECOND

Friday, September 7, 2018 6:54 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

I can't say that I'm used to an insurance company being the entity that conducts surveys either.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Insurance company doing an opinion poll makes more sense than a university run poll. The Insurance company could add Trump insurance, along with Fire and Flood and Termite insurance, to its business. The question would be: Which are you more afraid of? Termites or Trump? Then buy insurance to protect you from your greatest fears.

Much like the anonymous author who detailed efforts to steer President Trump toward rational action, the Roman senator Seneca worked to prevent the emperor Nero from acting on his worst impulses.

"The Times writer describes a similar train of thought with regard to invoking the Twenty-fifth Amendment as a way of deposing Trump. “No one wanted to precipitate a constitutional crisis,” the author relates, referring back to the early days of the Administration, when such a move was contemplated. Surely this amendment was added to the Constitution to prevent, rather than cause, a crisis, but the author’s meaning is plain. Any removal of a chief executive destabilizes the structure over which he or she presides. The results might be more painful, in the long run, than his or her policy errors. Especially if those errors can be contained and restrained."

More at www.newyorker.com/culture/cultural-comment/seneca-could-have-written-t
he-anonymous-times-op-ed-about-trump

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

SIGNYM

Friday, September 7, 2018 10:12 PM

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Signym, there is no reason to wonder, but you do because you're deaf and blind to what is plainly obvious. For example, an average German is neither a Democrat nor a Republican nor an Independent. Yet they can see and hear what is wrong with Trump. That doesn't make them scientific instruments flawlessly detecting "wrongness", but they can smell the rotten stink coming off of Trump. (I could smell it years ago from his "management" books, then the way he ran his casinos, and then his TV show. What a rotten businessman Trump was and is) ...- SECOND

SECOND, put your thinking cap on.

Assume that everything the opiner (yes, it is a real word, look it up) says is absolutely true: That Trump is a thin-skinned, unstable, and dangerously ignorant person whose only skill is manipulating public opinion.

SO WHY NOT INVOKE ARTICLE 25?

Think about that for a bit before highlighting the point below. If Trump is such a dangerous person in the Presidency, why not summarily boot him out of office and replace him with Pence, who is a reliable conservative Republican much more in line with their agenda??

Select to view spoiler:

Because Trump is a USEFUL thin-skinned, unstable, and dangerously ignorant person ... one who allows them to forward their globalist/neocon agenda of impoverishing the USA by shutting off government assistance while fostering the wealth of the transnationals ... serving as a "cover" and a distraction while they do their work in the background.

So, if Trump is useful, why torpedo him NOW, and especially with this opinion piece?

And if Trump has truly outlived his usefulness -to them - why derail him with this opinion piece? Why not invoke Article 25?

Imagine that there is a group of establishment globalist/neocon "resistors" in the WH ... and with Kavanaugh they have achieved their last goal under Trump. What are their options for dealing with Trump now?

1) They can continue to babysit and resist, but with their cover now blown they'll no longer have the advantage of secrecy

2) They can invoke Article 25 and remove Trump, once and for all separating themselves from the Trump phenomenon and "re-branding" the GOP for the future.

3) They can blow their own cover and "out" themselves with an opinion-piece, being only able to affect the upcoming election in the short-term. The net effect of which would be to throw Congress to the Dems (as populist Republicans stay home in droves).

Of all of their options, having this opinion piece published seems to be absolutely the WORST, most counterproductive option, ESPECIALLY for the upcoming election.

I can imagine all kinds of mid- and long-term strategies in play, but that would mean that this opinion piece is no longer an individual heartfelt expression of angst, but part of a longer term strategy. And that would involve accepting the idea that there is a true deep state which is in real conflict with Trump and his supporters (and no, I don't mean his base, I mean the security state and military officers and Cabinet members who are on his side of a real fight.)

Quote:
Donald Trump replaces terrorism as Germans' greatest fear

So what?
Was Donald Trump elected to be President of Germany?
No???
Well, maybe German interests are NOT USA interests.
Maybe you should stop mentally conflating the two.
Maybe Germans really SHOULD be afraid of Donald Trump, because maybe Germany has been getting a free ride from the USA for 40+ years, and the gravy train is about to end.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876

6IXSTRINGJACK

Friday, September 7, 2018 10:13 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

I can't say that I'm used to an insurance company being the entity that conducts surveys either.

Do Right, Be Right. :)
Insurance company doing an opinion poll makes more sense than a university run poll. The Insurance company could add Trump insurance, along with Fire and Flood and Termite insurance, to its business. The question would be: Which are you more afraid of? Termites or Trump? Then buy insurance to protect you from your greatest fears.

Yup. Just like I'm sure that this insurance company offers insurance for some of its other 21 questions such as Terrorism Insurance, or Costs For Taxpayer By EU Debt Crisis Insurance, or Tensions By Immigration of Foreigners Insurance.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

SIGNYM

Friday, September 7, 2018 10:25 PM

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The Electoral College only exists so that the College can evaluate each candidate and its votes are to be split among the candidates

Not true. Originally, it was the State Senate of each state that was supposed to choose their representatives to the Electoral College; no direct popular vote for President was involved. The idea was that the USA is a Republic ... a group of affiliated states which collectively negotiate the direction of the Federal government. That was the only way that the Founding Fathers could get such a diverse group of colonies... everything from slave/plantation states to small-farmer states to merchant states ... to throw their lot in together: By assuring them they would have independence in how they ran their affairs.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876

CAPTAINCRUNCH

Saturday, September 8, 2018 12:42 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:
The Electoral College only exists so that the College can evaluate each candidate and its votes are to be split among the candidates
Not true. Originally, it was the State Senate of each state that was supposed to choose their representatives to the Electoral College; no direct popular vote for President was involved. The idea was that the USA is a Republic ... a group of affiliated states which collectively negotiate the direction of the Federal government. That was the only way that the Founding Fathers could get such a diverse group of colonies... everything from slave/plantation states to small-farmer states to merchant states ... to throw their lot in together: By assuring them they would have independence in how they ran their affairs.

My understanding was the Electoral College was designed as a fail safe incase the great unwashed wanted a president that TPTB didn't want.

SECOND

Saturday, September 8, 2018 5:20 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
SECOND, put your thinking cap on.

Assume that everything the opiner (yes, it is a real word, look it up) says is absolutely true: That Trump is a thin-skinned, unstable, and dangerously ignorant person whose only skill is manipulating public opinion.

SO WHY NOT INVOKE ARTICLE 25?

Think about that for a bit before highlighting the point below. If Trump is such a dangerous person in the Presidency, why not summarily boot him out of office and replace him with Pence, who is a reliable conservative Republican much more in line with their agenda??

Because Trump is a USEFUL thin-skinned, unstable, and dangerously ignorant person ... one who allows them to forward their globalist/neocon agenda of impoverishing the USA by shutting off government assistance while fostering the wealth of the transnationals ... serving as a "cover" and a distraction while they do their work in the background.

So, if Trump is useful, why torpedo him NOW, and especially with this opinion piece?

And if Trump has truly outlived his usefulness -to them - why derail him with this opinion piece? Why not invoke Article 25?

You are too impressed by a few books and editorials. None of those words carry any weight in the real world I live in. I have not found any Republicans in Texas who have any problem supporting Trump. It won't be the "deep state" that thwarts Trump. It will be Democrats, if they get a majority in the House of Representatives in 2018.

If Trump is having problems getting his ideas turned into reality within his administration, it is not because of a secret conspiracy. It is an open secret that he is not following up on his people. Did they lock up several million illegal aliens, or not? If they failed, Trump needs to take action against his appointees. Why are they failing?

It is not a secret about the Wall, either. Trump has not gotten his Texas/Mexico wall because he did not shutdown the government. It is the only weapon he has against Texas Republicans who don't want their land taken for a wall and don't want to pay.

Is the "deep state" investigating Trump? No. If Trump wants to stop Mueller, the only Republican doing an investigation, he needs to fire Jeff Sessions. Trump hasn't and so the investigation continues.

If Trump arrested millions of illegals, shutdown the government, fired Sessions, and a hundred other things necessary to implement his policies, Texas Republicans would back Trump completely. But Trump is too weak-willed, too confused, too disorganized, too slow. The failure is all Trump, all the time.

If there really was a deep state, you'd see signs from the few Trump skeptical Congressmen in the GOP. None of the skeptics have raised a finger, other than John McCain. If Trump can't handle the opposition from one dead man, he deserves to fail at bringing Signym's dreams to life. If Trump can't be bothered to follow up on whether his orders are being obeyed, he deserves to fail. If Trump spends his days watching TV and his nights going to campaign rallies and his weekends golfing, rather than working on Signym's dream list, he deserves to fail.

www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/9/7/17829146/trump-brett-kavanaug
h-nyt-op-ed

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

6IXSTRINGJACK

Saturday, September 8, 2018 8:02 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
You are too impressed by a few books and editorials. None of those words carry any weight in the real world I live in.

LOL.

Pot, meet kettle.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

SIGNYM

Saturday, September 8, 2018 11:54 AM

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You are too impressed by a few books and editorials. None of those words carry any weight in the real world I live in. - SECOND

LOL.
Pot, meet kettle.- SIX

Haha! No kidding!

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876

SECOND

Saturday, September 8, 2018 4:53 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:
You are too impressed by a few books and editorials. None of those words carry any weight in the real world I live in. - SECOND

LOL.
Pot, meet kettle.- SIX
Haha! No kidding!

When 6ix does the "LOL", I know he doesn't understand. He'll likely do another for this:

Obama made special mention of the anonymous New York Times op-ed contributor, identified only as a senior Trump administration official, whom many have praised as a beacon of hope. This is not the case, Obama said: “The claim that everything will turn out OK because there are people inside the White House who secretly aren’t following the president’s orders, that is not a check.”

In the Times essay, the writer was invested only in stopping Trump’s “half-baked, ill-informed and occasionally reckless decisions.”

“That’s not how our democracy is supposed to work,” Obama said. “These people are not doing us a service by actively promoting 90% of the crazy stuff that’s coming out of this White House, and then saying, ‘Don’t worry, we’re preventing the other 10%.'”

Obama characterized the present political climate as extraordinary and dangerous. He urged prospective voters to put a stop to it in the midterm elections in November.

(This is where 6ix writes "LOL" and Signym writes some version of "Pot calling kettle black". As for me, I hope reality kicks Trump's ass, perhaps by the GOP losing its majority in the House of Representatives. It could happen: https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2018-midterm-election-forecast/ho
use/ )

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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