Global Warming proven a hoax!
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This just in: Scientists confirm Global Warming in no way contributed to by man!
Dr. Wytell Crump from the University of Kingston Falls states: "This is all nonsense, this global Warming rubbish. Yes, there IS a measureable difference in the mean Earth temperature, but it has nothing whatsoever to do with so-called greenhouse gasses. Instruments definitivly show a rise in the temperature of space itself of six and one half degrees. Until now, we hadn't thought such a thing possible, what with space being nothing and all, but the numbers do not lie! This is the cause of our polar cap shrinkage."
http/www.notarealsite.com
Guess I was wrong...Chrisisall
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Originally posted by chrisisall:
This just in: Scientists confirm Global Warming in no way contributed to by man!
Dr. Wytell Crump from the University of Kingston Falls states: "This is all nonsense, this global Warming rubbish. Yes, there IS a measureable difference in the mean Earth temperature, but it has nothing whatsoever to do with so-called greenhouse gasses. Instruments definitivly show a rise in the temperature of space itself of six and one half degrees. Until now, we hadn't thought such a thing possible, what with space being nothing and all, but the numbers do not lie! This is the cause of our polar cap shrinkage."
http/www.notarealsite.com
Guess I was wrong...Chrisisall
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LOL, that's great!
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As Dennis Miller has said numerous times ....hey, I like it a little warmer anyhow.
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if global warming were real, it would be better to ignore it.. since the western elite are chomping at the bit for the next great 'threat' that will provide the pretext for a UN global government. i do agree that something is occuring.. but what we know as 'global warming' is just a politicaly engineered fear tactic... deliberately concieved and designed to eventually tax your every move, condition you for economic instablility, limit your personal freedoms, and to implement a global government
of all the threats propogated by the media, bird flu, peak oil, terrorism... global warming gives the best 'excuse' to concentrate production, to selectively distribute and ration resources, and to regulate the world populace through draconian, authoritarian measures.. all which would be allegedly neccessary to 'save mankind' from ourselves
in the end, its better to ignore all the hype, since theres not a whole lot you can do personally to change the weather anyways; while giving an established body the responsibilty to legislate and affect planetary changes (suprise!) will only result in total abject tyranny and oppression
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Quote:Abject tyranny and oppression isn't so bad as long as it doesn't affect me personally.
Originally posted by antimason:
giving an established body the responsibilty to legislate and affect planetary changes (suprise!) will only result in total abject tyranny and oppression
Me, myself and I Chrisisall
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Quote:You're just a stupid Liberal with you're evidence, Bush told us what to think long ago, you don't need evidence to believe.
Originally posted by chrisisall:
This just in: Scientists confirm Global Warming in no way contributed to by man!
Dr. Wytell Crump from the University of Kingston Falls states: "This is all nonsense, this global Warming rubbish. Yes, there IS a measureable difference in the mean Earth temperature, but it has nothing whatsoever to do with so-called greenhouse gasses. Instruments definitivly show a rise in the temperature of space itself of six and one half degrees. Until now, we hadn't thought such a thing possible, what with space being nothing and all, but the numbers do not lie! This is the cause of our polar cap shrinkage."
http/www.notarealsite.com
Guess I was wrong...Chrisisall
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Quote:You're just a stupid Liberal with you're evidence, Bush told us what to think long ago, you don't need evidence to believe.
Originally posted by citizen:
Spoken like a true follower of TheRightStuff.
Ponce. Chrisisall
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Quote:Terrorist!
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Spoken like a true follower of TheRightStuff.
Ponce. Chrisisall
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Quote:Kurgan!
Originally posted by citizen:
Terrorist!
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@antimason:
You're completely off your nut.
It is happening, and your delusion doesn't make that not a fact. One delusional "scientist" out of pretty much the whole community doesn't change that fact. Perhaps it's not as dangerous, perhaps it's more dangerous, but it IS happening.
Also, point of fact, it is only ridiculously politicized in the North America (mainly the US though). Go and look what's happening in Europe. They are taking this seriously, and have instituted laws to get the job done. Sure the companies complained, but they adjusted and all is well and good over there.
As for what one person can do, sure it's limited. BUT, if everyone did something, then the effect would be profound. Keeping this "but what can I do" BS keeps populations apathetic and unwilling to promote positive change. This is true with regards to the global warming issue and can be applied to most other areas as well e.g. voting.
Just imagine if the people made this an election topic. As in, not just asking the question and allow the side step from the politicians, but FORCE the issue. Just imagine if people made purchasing decisions based at least in part on if the products effect the environment negatively.
Companies make decisions based on the bottom line, in the short term. If they realized that continuing on there current path hurt there profits, they'll change there ways. Similarly, if the politicians realized that not taking a hard stance on global warming put there chances of winning elections in jeopardy, they'd change there minds pretty quick. What if politicians realized that not keeping these promises resulted in not getting re-elected?
Please note that this can mostly be achieved by democratic means.
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Quote:Effecting the environment negatively isn't so bad as long as it doesn't affect me personally.
Originally posted by SigmaNunki:
Just imagine if people made purchasing decisions based at least in part on if the products effect the environment negatively.
More on me later Chrisisall
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... but it IS happening.
Yeah, but not by man, and there's nothing we can do about it, if it IS happening.
I refuse to join the lemmings.
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Originally posted by SigmaNunki:
You're completely off your nut.
Speaking of which:
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Yeah, but not by man, and there's nothing we can do about it, if it IS happening.
I refuse to join the lemmings.
Madness does not always howl. Sometimes, it is the quiet voice at the end of the day saying, "Hey, is there room in your head for one more?"
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Madness does not always howl. Sometimes, it is the quiet voice at the end of the day saying, "Hey, is there room in your head for one more?"
Your petty insults, false pride and inferiority complex aside, I refuse to join the lemmings. Sorry, but your indignation of me not 'falling in line' isn't compelling enough evidence for me to buy into the hysteria.
People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss
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Quote:My petty insults huh. The only person whose made any personal insults so far would be you, before trying to take the moral high ground it is customary to ensure you are not deeper in the shit than everyone else.
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Your petty insults, false pride and inferiority complex aside, I refuse to join the lemmings.
Quote:Why would I refute you with evidence when you haven't brought any? Is this double standards or hypocrisy, I'm not sure?
Sorry, but your indignation of me not 'falling in line' isn't compelling enough evidence for me to buy into the hysteria.
I have no desire to change your mind, you'd have to have one first
but joking aside there is only one person who could change 'your' opinion, and he lives in a house that is somewhat white.More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
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Nah, nah, you've got it all wrong!
It's those pesky aliens using a cosmic ray projector to fry us one degree at a time so they can have our planet !
Over to our on-site correspondent, Pirate News, for an update on the situation... PN ?
PN are you there ?
PN !!!
OH NO, THEY'VE EATEN THE CORRESPONDENT, THEY'RE GONNA KILL US ALL, RUN FOR YOUR LIIIIIIVEEESS!
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Quote:Those aren't Aliens you CLOD.
Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
Nah, nah, you've got it all wrong!
It's those pesky aliens using a cosmic ray projector to fry us one degree at a time so they can have our planet !
Over to our on-site correspondent, Pirate News, for an update on the situation... PN ?
PN are you there ?
PN !!!
OH NO, THEY'VE EATEN THE CORRESPONDENT, THEY'RE GONNA KILL US ALL, RUN FOR YOUR LIIIIIIVEEESS!
(Oh this is tooo much fun..)
It's pockets of swap gas reflecting the light of Venus through Uranus.
What's that eating my leg? Why it's a, ten foot gerbil.
Bush said so.
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Originally posted by SigmaNunki:
You're completely off your nut.
It is happening, and your delusion doesn't make that not a fact. One delusional "scientist" out of pretty much the whole community doesn't change that fact.
what should we do about it though? im in favor of more environementally sound technologies.. but i will outright resist any attempts to restructure society, because the institutions that exist currently will only use this to establish more methods to restrict personal freedoms. if global warming is a legitimate phenomonan, its still a trade off.. but i would rather take my chances with the weather, then have some all powerful, central authority regulate my behavior, and try something tyrannous like taxing me by every mile i drive and what not
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Perhaps it's not as dangerous, perhaps it's more dangerous, but it IS happening.
its just like terrorism.. you can shit your pants over it and fight preemptive wars acrossed the globe, meanwhile robbing the rights of the populace to be infinately aware of all risks to the 'state'(and still be unable to stop it).. or you can accept the reality, that your more likely to get struck by lighting than die from a terrorist attack, and go on about your life; in the end, in this age, with our current mindset and political leadership.. the authoritarian body that would crop up to solve 'global warming' would only use it as capital to further the ADMITTED NWO agenda
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Also, point of fact, it is only ridiculously politicized in the North America (mainly the US though). Go and look what's happening in Europe. They are taking this seriously, and have instituted laws to get the job done. Sure the companies complained, but they adjusted and all is well and good over there.
thats fine, i am not by any means making an appeal to give corporations a free pass on emissions regulations or anything.. but i am not about to give trillions of dollars over to a government to legislate social changes, i think thats scary as hell
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As for what one person can do, sure it's limited. BUT, if everyone did something, then the effect would be profound. Keeping this "but what can I do" BS keeps populations apathetic and unwilling to promote positive change. This is true with regards to the global warming issue and can be applied to most other areas as well e.g. voting.
look i acknowledge your point, its certainly not alien to me, i want positive changes to be made also, and i do what i can personally.. which is why it needs to be genuine changes from within the individual, not politically motivated and harnessed for what is a secret alterior motive. if the governments wanted energy independance, or anything that would benefit the individual, they would do so; but they dont, government now exists for the sake of itself and its puppetmasters, and any effort to reverse an alleged planetary warming would only result in further tyranny and control over our lives
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"Why would I refute you with evidence when you haven't brought any?"
Well, as far as I know, you can't prove that something doesn't exist. You can only prove that something does exist. That puts "Global Warming Because of Us" advocates into the position of presenting evidence, while "Global Warming Not Because of Us" advocates analyze the data and find flaws or alternative conclusions.
But the furor over Global Warming is idiotic, in my opinion. Someone up there *points to top of thread* wanted to make Global Warming an election issue, and I have to strongly disagree.
GLOBAL WARMING IS UNIMPORTANT
I don't give one fig about Global Warming. The Earth gets hot sometimes and it gets cold sometimes, and whether we push it in one direction or the other, it's still going to get hot sometimes and cold sometimes. Weather Control is not something that I think humans are ready for.
But let me tell you what we ARE ready for.
We are ready for unlimited fuel. Like say Hydrogen.
We are ready for non-toxic fuel. Like say Hydrogen.
We are ready to use fewer toxic chemicals in everything we do. Not because of Global Warming, but rather because of things like bloody Cancer.
We are ready to manufacture bullets out of lead-alternatives so that recreational shooters don't poison themselves slowly.
We are ready to make a lot of changes to the way we live that has nothing to do with the spectre of Global Warming.
We need to change our tune, not because of the boogeyman of Global Warming, but rather because of the verified evils of poison, carcinogens, and expensive and limited fuel supplies.
*Points to his wallet, then to the calendar.*
Give me more money in my wallet, give me more time on this Earth. Those are real issues. Humans adapt easily to temperature. They don't adapt as well to being broke or dead.
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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Instruments definitivly show a rise in the temperature of space itself of six and one half degrees. Until now, we hadn't thought such a thing possible, what with space being nothing and all...
Actually, if I remember by Astronomy class, space is not "no-thing." If I remember our discussion of the expansion of the universe, the prof said that the universe isn't expanding out into space--space itself is stretching, so it takes longer to get from point to point. This, of course, has nothing to do with global warming, but it bakes my noodle every time I think about it, so I thought I'd share the love.
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University of Kingston Falls (well need I say more) When you get a Professor from Harvard, Princeton, Columbia, hell even a half decent acredited university then make a statement. You know how many professors are at universities from great to small it's not difficult to imagine a handful of them saying black is not white. As a biology major in college you talk to any individual who knows anything about science and it is a proven FACT without a shadow of a doubt that global warming is occuring. To say it is not shows how clearly people are not listening to the vast majority of scientists (greater then 98% last time I checked) and are listening to a few radicals from no name universities.
Sorry but as someone who has personally studied the effects and causes and signs of global warming it is very difficult for individuals to say such cognitive lacking statements.
Yes it is happening, yes it is a big deal, and yes we can do things to reduce the threat. As someone previously stated look at Europe they are treating it as a real threat and so should all of we.
Oh and one last thing yes it is caused by man and are ever increasing population producing more and more CO2. This is strongly proven by looking at ice cores from Antartaca and looking at CO2 levels for the last million years or so. Since the invention of cars and recent overuse of coal those levels have went up beyond any levels ever measured let alone imagined. It's time that all of us quit sticking our heads in the sand and saying nothing is wrong because scientists can't prove it because that is clearly not tru.e
Such statements as provided by the original writer of this post are never scientifically reviewed and posted in any scientific journals. Do your research and read and follow articles that are actually peer reviewed and scientifically proven. Statements are cheap but peer reviewed material is hard to have published if not accurate. The overall ignorance of a view is not representitve of the field of science. Study it you'll know what I mean I've studied it and nothing else for 4 1/2 years.
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Browncoatuniversity,
Saying, "I've studied this and lots of people have studied this and it's irrefutable (by any intelligent and/or reputable individual) that mankind is the primary causal factor in global warming..."
Is EXACTLY identical to saying:
"I think mankind is the primary causal factor of global warming, and a lot of other people think it, too. The people who don't think so are all uninformed shitheads."
Which really isn't going to sway anyone.
I stand by my position. Reduce toxins, increase unlimited and nontoxic fuels.
Not for the environment. For meeee!
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Edited for spelling
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Originally posted by AURaptor:Quote:
... but it IS happening.
Yeah, but not by man, and there's nothing we can do about it, if it IS happening.
I refuse to join the lemmings.
I find it interesting that you don't quote the first part of that sentence.
Don't buy into the alarmist mentality fine, neither do I. But, just because one doesn't buy into that, doesn't mean that this stuff isn't going on.
Why do you insist (implicitly) that only the extremes exist in this discussion? Or in other words, why is there no middle ground between "ack, the sky is falling" and "the ostridge syndrome"?
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@antimason:
Personal freedoms?!?! Restructuring society?!?! Trillions of dollars for it?!?! Control over our lives?!?! It's nothing like terrorism. How do you even make that connection? What's wrong with you? What the hell are you talking about?
The gov (well the US gov) doesn't do anything about global warming b/c the oil industry "donates" so much money.
Look at California. They put forth a law that stated that the car industry had to R&D cars that used alternative fuel sources. One developed an electric car that was more than well received. But the companies fought it, won, took back the cars and demolished them. Why? Because the cars industry is quite intimate with the oil industry; they are the same.
In all seriousness, you really have to let go of this paranoia that the gov is out to get you. I mean, I'm a fairly paranoid person (I'm into secure programming), but seriously, you're scary to me. THAT should say something to you i.e. The practically (as in practical not almost) paranoid is finding you paranoid at a scary level. Just think about that.
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Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Saying, "I've studied this and lots of people have studied this and it's irrefutable (by any intelligent and/or reputable individual) that mankind is the primary causal factor in global warming..."
Is EXACTLY identical to saying:
"I think mankind is the primary causal factor of global warming, and a lot of other people think it, too. The people who don't think so are all uninformed shitheads."
No it isn't. What it IS saying is that uninformed people should listen to people that have a clue instead of forming opinions based on nothing. Intelligent/reputable people will do this, others... not so much.
It's not really a surprise though. People in the US are much more inclined to listen to Bill O'Reilly pounding his fist, cutting off his "guests" mics, etc than listening to a scientist explain why things are the way they are with stats, error bars, etc.
Winning the popular opinion today has everything to do with entertainment value and pretty much nothing to do with mountains of hard evidence that things are happening.
The problem with this is that while the oil companies are winning, the world's population (and more than just arguably the world itself) is losing. And people don't notice because they are basically told not to. Kinda a double-think of sorts.
Please also note that even in "An Inconvenient Truth" the phrase "as little as 10 years" appears.
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Originally posted by AnthonyT:
That puts "Global Warming Because of Us" advocates into the position of presenting evidence, while "Global Warming Not Because of Us" advocates analyze the data and find flaws or alternative conclusions.
There's a group in charge of compiling the current research/evidence/etc that show that global warming is real. They are call the International Panel on Climate Change:
http://www.ipcc.ch/
Please refer to there documents and let us know exactly what the problems with there work is. After all you say:
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Originally posted by AnthonyT:
But the furor over Global Warming is idiotic, in my opinion.
So, let us know why it is idiotic. Sure it's been hyped up in North American (especially the US), but that doesn't mean it's bad science nor does it mean it isn't a serious issue nor does it mean that it shouldn't be considered.
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Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Give me more money in my wallet, give me more time on this Earth. Those are real issues. Humans adapt easily to temperature. They don't adapt as well to being broke or dead.
How self centered and short sighted of you.
Seems to me what the scientists are predicting IS death by more severe natural disasters. And since what they have predicted IS coming to pass...
Let us know how those life threatening hurricanes suit you then. Or perhaps you could ask someone in New Orleans. Or perhaps the people affected by droughts in Africa.
Because it seems to me that we aren't dealing too well with these changes in temperature. Mother natural isn't exactly letting us.
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Originally posted by chrisisall:
This just in: Scientists confirm Global Warming in no way contributed to by man!
Dr. Wytell Crump from the University of Kingston Falls states: "This is all nonsense, this global Warming rubbish. Yes, there IS a measureable difference in the mean Earth temperature, but it has nothing whatsoever to do with so-called greenhouse gasses. Instruments definitivly show a rise in the temperature of space itself of six and one half degrees. Until now, we hadn't thought such a thing possible, what with space being nothing and all, but the numbers do not lie! This is the cause of our polar cap shrinkage."
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Guess I was wrong...Chrisisall
Ya ok where did u get this info from??
MGTS
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I still don't know if milk is good for me or bad for me. Scientists are nothing but a bunch of dumb humans that went to their elite schools. They make mistakes all day and go home at night and fist their trophy wives.
I don't buy any of this global warming bullshit, although that is not to say that I don't belive that it's possible.
The only certainty that I have is that what Antimason is saying is more or less true, and in a world where all this scary shit is going on, how can anybody even call someone paranoid? Just because somebody doesn't believe all the scary shit the media and scientists and government tell us to believe everyday like you chose to believe doesn't make them paranoid. They just choose to believe in a different, albeit argueably much scarier set of bullshit.
I'm all about finding solutions to problems, but if you have faith in any of our governments at this point, I believe that you are a very foolish person.
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My petty insults huh. The only person whose made any personal insults so far would be you, before trying to take the moral high ground it is customary to ensure ...blah, blah blah.
As is most often the case, you initiated the insults here. I was simply responding to someone else's post, and you felt the need to imply I was 'mad' to not buy into the global warming lie. Contrary to your 'you started it' rant, the facts say otherwise.
Quote:You're not sure because it's above you to even contemplate. Other than you see it as just another reason to be a jack-ass and insert yourself by insulting someone in this thread who hadn't said 1 derogatory word toward you in the least.
Why would I refute you with evidence when you haven't brought any? Is this double standards or hypocrisy, I'm not sure?
Quote:If you're trying to imply that my stance on global warming relies solely on what any elected official has to say, you'd be greatly mistaken. Or was that also a joke? It's so hard to figure out British humor.
I have no desire to change your mind, you'd have to have one first but joking aside there is only one person who could change 'your' opinion, and he lives in a house that is somewhat white.
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Why do you insist (implicitly) that only the extremes exist in this discussion? Or in other words, why is there no middle ground between "ack, the sky is falling" and "the ostridge syndrome"?
Why didn't you read what I posted ? I conceeded that global warming MAY be happening, but its not due to mankinds actions. That seems to me to be the perfect 'middle' you say I'm avoiding. Hmmm....
My position is simple. We don't have enough data to know for certain whether climate change is caused primarily by the sun or falls in line w/in the normal heating/cooling this planet experiences over 1000's of yrs. Sure, it makes sense for ALL of us to use fuel efficently , keep pollutants down, etc. Thats why I think such political measures as the Kyoto Treaty are unmitigated disasters. It turns a blind eye to 3rd world nations while pretending to for the good of all. It's utter nonsense.
People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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Quote:Since Kingston Falls is a town in the movie Gremlins, and a quick google brings up no such university, I would surmise that the original poster of this thread is either full of s**t, or pulling our legs.
Originally posted by BrownCoatUniversity:
University of Kingston Falls (well need I say more) When you get a Professor from Harvard, Princeton, Columbia, hell even a half decent acredited university then make a statement.
Plus that line about space and it's temperature being raised, I mean REALLY.....
Some posters ought to be banned Chrisisall
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Quote:What happens when it reaches it's apex? Does it snap back? 'Cause that might be bad.
Originally posted by Causal:
the universe isn't expanding out into space--space itself is stretching
Back off man; I'm a scientist Chrisisall
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Quote:Uranus.
Originally posted by MGTS:
Ya ok where did u get this info from??
Couldn't resist Chrisisall
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Originally posted by chrisisall:
What happens when it reaches it's apex? Does it snap back? 'Cause that might be bad.
I have no idea--but was that right? Is space actually stretching?
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"Scientists have always been pawns of the military."
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Originally posted by SigmaNunki:Quote:
Originally posted by AnthonyT:
There's a group in charge of compiling the current research/evidence/etc that show that global warming is real. They are call the International Panel on Climate Change:
http://www.ipcc.ch/
Please refer to there documents and let us know exactly what the problems with there work is. After all you say:Quote:
Originally posted by AnthonyT:
But the furor over Global Warming is idiotic, in my opinion.
So, let us know why it is idiotic. Sure it's been hyped up in North American (especially the US), but that doesn't mean it's bad science nor does it mean it isn't a serious issue nor does it mean that it shouldn't be considered.
How self centered and short sighted of you.
Seems to me what the scientists are predicting IS death by more severe natural disasters. And since what they have predicted IS coming to pass...
Let us know how those life threatening hurricanes suit you then. Or perhaps you could ask someone in New Orleans. Or perhaps the people affected by droughts in Africa.
Because it seems to me that we aren't dealing too well with these changes in temperature. Mother natural isn't exactly letting us.
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I am on The List. We are The Forsaken and we aim to burn!
"We don't fear the reaper"
Sig,
Snipped parts of the quote for brevity.
You're missing the point in favor of your political/moral position.
S1) Global Warming is happening, XYZ experts say it is happening.
A1) So what? It's happening. The sun is coming up tomorrow too. And it might rain on Thursday. Sounds like I'll be wearing sunglasses and carrying an umbrella. Hurricanes might threaten the coast? Sounds like I'll avoid flood zones and get good insurance. Can't afford to do that? Sounds like I've been selected to die.
S2) Why is the furvor over Global Warming idiotic? You're idiotic, you numbskull!
A2) Well, if it's happening... it'll happen. I've seen no firm evidence that it's happening because of humanity. Oh, and if it's happening in "As little as ten years" then you're buggered. So prepare for climate change!
S3) All you care about is saving money and eliminating toxins, you selvish bastard! What about the world? What about the future? You short-sighted asshole!
A3) You want to reduce C02 and greenhouse gas emissions because it'll save the environment from 'Global Warming.' That's a questionable position, but okay. I want to switch to an unlimited fuel supply whose major byproduct is water. My plan is in complete synch with your plan, but because you're stuck on doing things BECAUSE OF GLOBAL WARMING you will fail. You must do things because it benefits individuals, not society. Having unlimited fuel means cheaper (and stably priced) gas. Having fewer toxins means less illness and cancer. Who the fcuck cares if it means global warming might get reduced? You don't sell people on saving the world. You sell them on saving themselves. And you global warming nuts are too shortsighted and selfish to accept a good thing done for the 'wrong reasons.' It must be done for YOUR reasons.
Idiots.
--Anthony
"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner
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Quote:actually I meant you position was mad, I didn't say AURaptor is mad, and even if I did it's hardly in the same league as what you said to me, and your continued personal insults in this post. Although since you think they are equivelent and indeed think you're never the one to start anything maybe you are indeed mad, dellusional in fact.
Originally posted by AURaptor:
As is most often the case, blah blah blah
Quote:No I've contemplated your extreme lack of evidence. I believe that the word is hypocrisy when someone demands something they are unable or unwilling to supply themselves.
You're not sure because it's above you to even contemplate.
I never said I wasn't sure about anything, I said I saw no reason, and I still don't see any reason to beat you round the head with your own ignorance by showing you data from accredited independent scientists so that you can just be a nasty insulting low brow vindictive little prig in a great big long post questioning my sexuality, character, how many friends I have and other inane childish insults in a purely trollish post whose only refutation of the actual argument will amount to "George Bush says".
Quote:Yet more personal insults. So I'm acting like a 'jack-ass' by making personal insults and nothing else, which would surely be a case of pots and black kettles, given your post. But then I realise you work on a basis of 'one rule for me, another for everyone else'.
Other than you see it as just another reason to be a jack-ass and insert yourself by insulting someone in this thread who hadn't said 1 derogatory word toward you in the least.
Quote:Imply, I pretty much flat out stated it, was it too subtle for you? I find it funny and interesting that every position you hold mirrors Bush's words, after all it's wholly not based on scientific opinion because we know where the consensus among the majority and independent majority of science lies.
If you're trying to imply that my stance on global warming relies solely on what any elected official has to say, you'd be greatly mistaken.
It is even more interesting to me that you attack creationists for ignoring the scientific consensus then do the same yourself, that is when the consensus says something that doesn't reflect the Bush administrations position and your own preconceived notions.
Quote:Anything beyond fart jokes and slapstick eh, no problem I'll see what I can do to drop to that level for you on occasion.
Or was that also a joke? It's so hard to figure out British humor.
Quote:No, to call that position middle ground is delusional or dishonest at best. All it is, is rehashing the same position of no Global Warming with out the untenable requirement of having to deny that 40 isn't higher than 30. It's not all that different too creationists rehashing their myth as intelligent design.
Why didn't you read what I posted ? I conceeded that global warming MAY be happening, but its not due to mankinds actions. That seems to me to be the perfect 'middle' you say I'm avoiding. Hmmm....
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Quote:Space is considered a vacuum, that is it is filled with little or no matter. In the case of interplanetary space around the Earth it is about 5 particles per cm/3, which is very dense compared to the interstellar void. Simply put there is nothing in Space to have a temperature. It's not quite that simple because space does have a temperature, of about 3 kelvin, 3 degrees above absolute zero, the lowest possible temperature because at this point atomic vibration ceases to occur. This is the cosmic background temperature, although in one instance it has dropped to as low as 1K due to rapid expansion of matter after a supernova.
Originally posted by Causal:
Actually, if I remember by Astronomy class, space is not "no-thing." If I remember our discussion of the expansion of the universe, the prof said that the universe isn't expanding out into space--space itself is stretching, so it takes longer to get from point to point. This, of course, has nothing to do with global warming, but it bakes my noodle every time I think about it, so I thought I'd share the love.
Space is not actually 'stretching' it is expanding, which isn't exactly the same thing, but essentially the distance between matter within the Universe is growing.
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No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.
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uranus hahahahahahhahahahhahahhahahhahhahahahah
omg yuo are SOOOOOOOO funny holy 
lololol NOT
ok smart arse just answer my very simple question
like a civilized person.
MGTS go ahead try to guess what it stands for.
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
I refuse to join the lemmings.
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Claim: During the filming of the 1958 Disney nature documentary White Wilderness, the film crew induced lemmings into jumping off a cliff and into the sea in order to document their supposedly suicidal behavior.
Status: True.
Origins: Lemming
suicide is fiction. Contrary to popular belief, lemmings do not periodically hurl themselves off of cliffs and into the sea. Cyclical explosions in population do occasionally induce lemmings to attempt to migrate to areas of lesser population density. When such a migration occurs, some lemmings die by falling over cliffs or drowning in lakes or rivers. These deaths are not deliberate "suicide" attempts, however, but accidental deaths resulting from the lemmings' venturing into unfamiliar territories and being crowded and pushed over dangerous ledges. In fact, when the competition for food, space, or mates becomes too intense, lemmings are much more likely to kill each other than to kill themselves.
I'm not gonna jump off. YOU jump off! Disney's White Wilderness was filmed in Alberta, Canada, which is not a native habitat for lemmings and has no outlet to the sea. Lemmings were imported for use in the film, purchased from Inuit children by the filmmakers. The Arctic rodents were placed on a snow-covered turntable and filmed from various angles to produce a "migration" sequence; afterwards, the helpless creatures were transported to a cliff overlooking a river and herded into the water. White Wilderness does not depict an actual lemming migration — at no time are more than a few dozen lemmings ever shown on the screen at once. The entire sequence was faked using a handful of lemmings deceptively photographed to create the illusion of a large herd of migrating creatures.
Nine different photographers spent three years shooting and assembling footage for the various segments that comprise White Wilderness. It is not known whether Disney approved or knew about the activities of James R. Simon, the principal photographer for the lemmings sequence.
Nature documentaries are notoriously difficult to film, as wild animals are not terribly cooperative. Many nature shows and films of this era — including Disney's "True-Life Adventure" movies and TV's Wild Kingdom — staged events to capture exciting footage for their audiences. The sight of a few lemmings mistaking a lake or ocean for a stream and drowning after swimming out too far, or being pushed over a cliff during the frenzied rush of migration, has become the basis of a widespread belief that lemmings commit suicide en masse when their numbers grow too large.
Some of us prefer not to get our science from fabricated Disney documentaries.
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Browncoatuniv,
"When you get a Professor from Harvard, Princeton, Columbia, hell even a half decent acredited university then make a statement."
"So how is it that we don't have more scientists speaking up about this junk science?"
"Scientists who dissent from the alarmism have seen their grant funds disappear, their work derided, and themselves libeled as industry stooges, scientific hacks or worse. Consequently, lies about climate change gain credence even when they fly in the face of the science that supposedly is their basis." - Alfred P. Sloan Professor of Atmospheric Science at MIT.
Well, it's not Harvard......
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Quote:My God That's Stupid?
Originally posted by MGTS:
MGTS go ahead try to guess what it stands for.
What do I win? Chrisisall
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Quote:So how did space's temperature suddenly rise 6 1/2 degrees?
Originally posted by citizen:
Simply put there is nothing in Space to have a temperature. It's not quite that simple because space does have a temperature, of about 3 kelvin, 3 degrees above absolute zero, the lowest possible temperature because at this point atomic vibration ceases to occur.
Don't understand Chrisisall
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the MGTS thing at the end is my signature smart one
anyway will u answer my question or not??
space is not heating. i cant. this tidbit of yours, crisisall, is just a smokescreen to get us to stop thinking that humans are the problem. for the sake of every who has posted ont this thread plz watch An Incovenant Truth, a documentary but out by Al gore.
MGTS go ahead try to guess what it stands for.
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Quote:As I stated, you are GREATLY mistaken. Science is not a solely poll driven field. When Robert Bakker went against the grain by concluding that dinosaurs were warm blooded, and not, as the MAJORITY of scientist were drilled into thinking, cold blooded. Bakker and John Ostrum were part of a VAST minority,but that didn't change the facts. And the fact is, dinosaur physiology shares far more in common with warm blooded birds and mammals more than they do lizards and amphibians.
Imply, I pretty much flat out stated it, was it too subtle for you? I find it funny and interesting that every position you hold mirrors Bush's words, after all it's wholly not based on scientific opinion because we know where the consensus among the majority and independent majority of science lies.
Quote:Once again, you're wrong. This has nothing ot do w/ Bush, but you do seem to have such a hard on for the Prez, it's no wonder. I vilify Creationist for ignoring the consensus, but more importantly, for ignoring the EVIDENCE! The Creationist and the Kyoto nuts are guilty of the same thing....wanting to cherry pick evidence and arrange an arguement based on a PREVIOUSLY HELD TENNENT. Just as the Creationist say the Bible is literally accurate, the tree hugging Kyoto zealots are hell bent on proving mankind ( mainly Western, Industrialized mankind ) is responsible for destroying the Earth. So, each starts with a template to hold to, then formulates the evidence which best makes their case, as they see it.
It is even more interesting to me that you attack creationists for ignoring the scientific consensus then do the same yourself, that is when the consensus says something that doesn't reflect the Bush administrations position and your own preconceived notions.
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No, to call that position middle ground is delusional or dishonest at best. All it is, is rehashing the same position of no Global Warming with out the untenable requirement of having to deny that 40 isn't higher than 30. It's not all that different too creationists rehashing their myth as intelligent design.
It is the middle ground, but you're so small that you can't face up to that minor detail. I've never made the claim that 40 isn't higher than 30, that's your delusional position.
People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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MGTS go ahead try to guess what it stands for.
my god they(this) suck(s) ?
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Quote:I thought the question was what does MGTS stand for?!?!?!
Originally posted by MGTS:
anyway will u answer my question or not??
If you mean the original post....I got it from...
Somewhere in the back of my mind, actually. A little idea I've been toying with.
Sick, twisted Chrisisall
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Originally posted by rue:
MGTS go ahead try to guess what it stands for.
my god they(this) suck(s) ?
It's dyslexic for MST3K?
People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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Chris,isall
There are two ways for space's temp to rise - one, it's got the flu. The other -- I fergit.
There are more particles moving as fast as the others, or the particles that are there are moving faster, or both.
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Quote:No I'm really not.
Originally posted by AURaptor:
As I stated, you are GREATLY mistaken.
Quote:Nope that would be you old chap.
Once again, you're wrong. This has nothing ot do w/ Bush, but you do seem to have such a hard on for the Prez, it's no wonder.
Quote:Actually cherry picking evidence is your bag, it would seem. You know it's funny how the only person who can't see the parallels between your argument and the creationists is you.
I vilify Creationist for ignoring the consensus, but more importantly, for ignoring the EVIDENCE! The Creationist and the Kyoto nuts are guilty of the same thing....wanting to cherry pick evidence and arrange an arguement based on a PREVIOUSLY HELD TENNENT.
Quote:Where as you're better because you set out to prove its nothing to do with you and you can keep your big wasteful polluting SUV that gets poor petrol mileage because it's not really polluting and petrol will last for ever.
Just as the Creationist say the Bible is literally accurate, the tree hugging Kyoto zealots are hell bent on proving mankind ( mainly Western, Industrialized mankind ) is responsible for destroying the Earth. So, each starts with a template to hold to, then formulates the evidence which best makes their case, as they see it.
Quote:No, it's the other side of the "Is global warming man made debate". One side say “t'is” t'other says “t'isn't”. How on Earth can you characterise one side of the debate as 'the middle ground'?
It is the middle ground, but you're so small that you can't face up to that minor detail.
Middle ground would be "a little from column A, a little from column B" which is actually what I think, if you'd like to start again and actually converse for once, rather than stifle same when it's not what you want to hear, especially dropping the now unwarranted insults I'd be more than happy to go over it with you.
Quote:If you actually care to read what I wrote I never said you did, nor did I imply such, I said an argument that said the Earth wasn't getting warmer was such, very plainly so.
I've never made the claim that 40 isn't higher than 30, that's your delusional position.
Also how you've worked out that my position is that 30 is higher than 40 is beyond me, maybe it's a strawman argument you've cooked up, maybe you're simply too arrogant to actually read what I wrote so your fevered brain has to fill in the blanks with whatever passes for an imagination with you. Who's to say, but the point is that it is plainly not MY position as you claim, what are you on?
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No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.
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S'wenyways,
I go with the consensus of scientists. Not like it's a religion or anything but b/c they have the evidence. If they are proven wrong then I'll change my position.
BTW I just wanted to point out there still are scientists trying to disprove relativity and evolution. Just b/c a theory has gotten the consensus of many doesn't mean it's scientifically dead issue.
Is it hot in here, or is it just me ??
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Quote:Yeah I know, and the first point you raise is what I'm trying to say, but please remember who it is I'm trying to talk to.
Originally posted by rue:
S'wenyways,
I go with the consensus of scientists. Not like it's a religion or anything but b/c they have the evidence. If they are proven wrong then I'll change my position.
BTW I just wanted to point out there still are scientists trying to disprove relativity and evolution. Just b/c a theory has gotten the consensus of many doesn't mean it's scientifically dead issue.
Is it hot in here, or is it just me ??
If he wants to actually talk what the hell I'll give it a go, but I've tried it before and it just ends with him calling people a moron again.
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Quote:Well as we've seen the temperature of 'space' can drop by two degrees due to rapid dispersion of matter. The 'pressure' drop causes cooling if you like. You can try this yourself, opening the valve on a compressed air canister should noticeable drop the temperature of the canister to the touch. A pressure increase will have the opposite effect.
Originally posted by chrisisall:Quote:So how did space's temperature suddenly rise 6 1/2 degrees?
Originally posted by citizen:
Simply put there is nothing in Space to have a temperature. It's not quite that simple because space does have a temperature, of about 3 kelvin, 3 degrees above absolute zero, the lowest possible temperature because at this point atomic vibration ceases to occur.
Don't understand Chrisisall
In the reverse heating increases pressure, cooling decreases pressure. So we can see there is a direct relationship between temperature and pressure. So how could the cosmic background temperature increase? Easy by increasing the pressure of space. How can we increase the pressure of space when we have ascertained it is steadily decreasing due to expansion? Well, maybe the universe isn't expanding any more?
Sure we can see galaxies moving away from us, in some cases at velocities greater than c (this doesn't break special Relativity because the galaxy isn't moving, space is expanding) and for Casual's benefit we know the distance between us and these galaxies is increasing because the light from them is Doppler Shifted to the red end of the visible spectrum (sometimes to such a great extent it leaves the visible spectrum and moves into the infra red).
However one thing we have to remember is that these galaxies are very far away, so far that for some em radiation takes billions of years to reach us, so rather than seeing them now we are seeing how they looked and and acted billions of years ago. Incidentally this is also what gives some credence to the big bang theory, we can actually see some of the distant proto galaxies that began to form Billions of years ago.
So how could space's temperature be increasing? Because the 'pressure' of space is increasing. How could the pressure of space be increasing? Because the universe has stopped expanding and is contracting. Maybe the Universe does 'end' in a 'Big Crunch', it's just going to happen a lot sooner than anyone thought.
More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.
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Quote:Actually, it was probably just a joke. Chrisisall does that. No one knows why. The whole space is warming thing was a joke, much like Al Gore’s fictional global warming movie, which really doesn’t do much more then confirm that the whole global warming stuff is just politics.
Originally posted by MGTS:
the MGTS thing at the end is my signature smart one
anyway will u answer my question or not??
space is not heating. i cant. this tidbit of yours, crisisall, is just a smokescreen to get us to stop thinking that humans are the problem. for the sake of every who has posted ont this thread plz watch An Incovenant Truth, a documentary but out by Al gore.
Between Al Gore and Michael More, you’d think the Liberals would shut up about the right wing talk radio. Conservatives just don’t have the money to put their bullshit on the big screen.
And whether or not space is “expanding” or “stretching” depends on just how much dark matter there is. If there is enough dark matter then space is “stretching.” At least, that’s one way to look at it.
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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Well DUH ! Of course it was a joke.
But seriously, you've derailed the last few days. breathe ! Think of something nice.
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An oldie but goodie demonstrating some basic thermodynamic ideas -
Is Hell exothermic (gives off heat) or endothermic (absorbs heat)?
First, we need to know how the mass of Hell is changing in time. So we need to know the rate that souls are moving into Hell and the rate they are leaving. I think that we can safely assume that once a soul gets to Hell, it will not leave. Therefore, no souls are leaving. As for how many souls are entering Hell, lets look at the different religions that exist in the world today. Some of these religions state that if you are not a member of their religion, you will go to Hell. Since there are more than one of these religions and since people do not belong to more than one religion, we can project that all souls go to Hell. With birth and death rates as they are, we can expect the number of souls in Hell to increase exponentially.
Now, we look at the rate of change of the volume in Hell. Boyle's Law states that in order for the temperature and pressure in Hell to stay the same, the volume of Hell has to expand as souls are added. This gives two possibilities:
1. If Hell is expanding at a slower rate than the rate at which souls enter Hell, then the temperature and pressure in Hell will increase until all Hell breaks loose.
2. Of course, if Hell is expanding at a rate faster than the increase of souls in Hell, then the temperature and pressure will drop until Hell freezes over.
So which is it?
If we accept the postulate given to me by Ms. Teresa Banyan during my Freshman year, "...that it will be a cold day in Hell before I sleep with you," and take into account the fact that I still have not succeeded in having sexual relations with her, then, #2 cannot be true, and thus I am sure that Hell is exothermic and will not freeze."
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Quote:Am I the one who missed the joke?
Originally posted by rue:
Well DUH ! Of course it was a joke.
But seriously, you've derailed the last few days. breathe ! Think of something nice.
Also if I've done anything that is noticeable on this board in the last few days, I'm probably posting too much. I need to leave and find out what catastrophe has befallen unnoticed.
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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Some people really, REALLY need to develop a sense of humor.
-F
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Hey Rue.... fancy seeing you here. "A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned." http://www.myspace.com/6ixstringjack
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ok Crisisall if u will pay atention my simple question was where did u get the silly tidbit u first posted on this thread. i realy hope u dont read Weekly world news. about the the joking around thing, i just asume ppl on the web are being serious because ive met so many ...... not so smart ppl
For the right wing ppl here, do u listen to every word Bush says?? u realy think this war is a good idea?? its another vitnam. we arnt acheving anything over there. u realy thing this global warming thing is a complete joke?? wake up. pull yur head out of yur 12 mpg eskapade. the earth cant suport this kind of . ride a bike now and then.
MGTS go ahead try to guess what it stands for.
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Originally posted by MGTS:
For the right wing ppl here, do u listen to every word Bush says??
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I'm of the belief that the Repuglicrats are lying to us about the war and the Demoncrats are lying to us about global warming.
If we didn't have catastrophies that we can't do a damn thing about in our lives everyday.... well, then we just may have more time to enjoy what we want to enjoy in life and the sheeple might not be so willing to allow new laws restricting their activities to be constantly placed on them based on fear.
Think about it... Give me one time where we didn't have some catastrophy in the works that was meant to stay deep in the back of our minds. We put it there because all of this crap could really make us crazy if we thought about it 24/7. Maybe we already are all crazy.
My favorite time was between Desert Storm and 9/11. Those were the years I was in highschool and college, so I may have a biased viewpoint, but I can't really think of a impending doom situation then that effected our lives other than the Y2K bug.
I'm not saying that we shouldn't make strides like other countries have towards independance from oil. In fact, if that were to happen, I don't suppose we'd have any f
ing business in Iraq in the first place, would we?To somebody like me, you sound just as foolish believing blindly in the all-knowing scientists and their Global Warming crap as the Repuglicrat Zealots do when they're all gung-ho about this BS war.
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Are you always this mentally challenged, or is it only when you post here ? I swear, the balance of your replies are, " unt uh.... I know you are, but what am I ? " OR " That's what you said, not me " . I can't debate w/ a 3 yr old!
Sorry, everything you said about me applies to you ONLY, and not me. There, happy?
Quote:A hollow and empty claim on your part. You're the only one making that claim, so you automatically project it onto everyone else who isn't even following this thread. In your mind, that's how you 'win'. But that's the only place.
Actually cherry picking evidence is your bag, it would seem. You know it's funny how the only person who can't see the parallels between your argument and the creationists is you.
Quote:You're such a Chicken Little.
Where as you're better because you set out to prove its nothing to do with you and you can keep your big wasteful polluting SUV that gets poor petrol mileage because it's not really polluting and petrol will last for ever.
Quote:Yes, you said that exactly. Don't lie. And stop twisitng my words. I took the middle ground, and you keep ignoring that fact. I granted that a tiny increase in the global temp MAY be occuring, but that it wasn't due to humanity. If I was as 1 sided as you claimed, I'd not even admit there was ANY warming. Man, you really are a dense sod.
If you actually care to read what I wrote I never said you did, nor did I imply such, I said an argument that said the Earth wasn't getting warmer was such, very plainly so.
Quote:It was your position, and you know it. It made you look silly, so now you're trying to backtrack.
Also how you've worked out that my position is that 30 is higher than 40 is beyond me, maybe it's a strawman argument you've cooked up, maybe you're simply too arrogant to actually read what I wrote so your fevered brain has to fill in the blanks with whatever passes for an imagination with you. Who's to say, but the point is that it is plainly not MY position as you claim, what are you on?
People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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I'm of the belief that the Repuglicrats are lying to us about the war and the Demoncrats are lying to us about global warming.
If we didn't have catastrophies that we can't do a damn thing about in our lives everyday.... well, then we just may have more time to enjoy what we want to enjoy in life and the sheeple might not be so willing to allow new laws restricting their activities to be constantly placed on them based on fear.
Think about it... Give me one time where we didn't have some catastrophy in the works that was meant to stay deep in the back of our minds. We put it there because all of this crap could really make us crazy if we thought about it 24/7. Maybe we already are all crazy.
My favorite time was between Desert Storm and 9/11. Those were the years I was in highschool and college, so I may have a biased viewpoint, but I can't really think of a impending doom situation then that effected our lives other than the Y2K bug.
I'm not saying that we shouldn't make strides like other countries have towards independance from oil. In fact, if that were to happen, I don't suppose we'd have any f
To somebody like me, you sound just as foolish believing blindly in the all-knowing scientists and their Global Warming crap as the Repuglicrat Zealots do when they're all gung-ho about this BS war.
i like that you're not suporting either side.
I guess you're right about my following scientists but i only believe what i see. i dont believe Everything i see, but what im seeing right looks beter than waht im seeing coming from D.C.
MGTS go ahead try to guess what it stands for.
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MGTS go ahead try to guess what it stands for.
Must go to space ?
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plz email me mgts@sonic.net if u want to guess my abrev.
MGTS go ahead try to guess what it stands for.
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MaGgoTS? "A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned." http://www.myspace.com/6ixstringjack
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.... or MagGoTS? "A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned." http://www.myspace.com/6ixstringjack
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about the the joking around thing, i just asume ppl on the web are being serious because ive met so many ...... not so smart ppl
"Coming from you, that means... almost nothing."
Oh, and welcome to FFF.NET!
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OK - I just gotta say "WHAT???" Even if you don't believe it and it would be a huge reality shift for me to accept that humans are not in any way, shape or form responsible for affecting change in our environment - even if - we don't totally accept it - even if that were the premise - why in the world would we not want to make changes anyway?
We have too much stuff, too much trash, and too many people. We need to be responsible and clean up our bloody messes, cut back on fossil fuels, alternative heating, recycling etc. It's no difference than cleaning up after yourself and considering future consequences.
My humble opinion only.
Siri
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I wonder in this post if anybody could truly write something to sway the polar opposite side.(I doubt it)
I suppose the debate as well as the controversy springs from one simple fact with Science there is no absolute truth. Yes we have theories, laws, and simple hypotheses but at the end of the day we test and we test and the only thing you can do is prove something to be false. Only by eliminating the impossibilties do you reach "scientific truth" (which as stated is not and never will be absolute)
So the overall consensus currently in the scientific field, as I humbly know it is that Global Warming is occuring and yes we are causing it to increase by leaps and bounds. Global warming yes as someone previously pointed out occurs in a regular cycle every ten thousand years or so the problem with this time is that due to the increased production of Co2 gases into the atmosphere we have far exceeded the normal fluctuations that usually occur with natural global warming.
Perhaps most of all what is causing it is the land stripping of trees across the world to keep up with building demands of our ever growing population. However certainly the use of coal and big manufactoring companies producing inordinate amounts of CO2 certainly have contributed greatly.
As has also been stated there are a handful of scientists and individuals out there who are trying to disprove global warming with little to no evidence supporting there cause. Perhaps if anyone here or any scientists out there have tested or proven any information regarding that CO2 has not effected globabl warming and that we have not produced an excess amount of CO2 please let me know so we can publish this scientific material together. (so we can both be rich please)
I'm not surprised that scientists would oppose such an issue because as stated previously above there is no absolute truth in science and everything and I mean everything is hypothesized as being false. (scientific method simply states that is how you prove it again and again is by proving it not to be false)
For those who say there is nothing we can do if we are causing it perhaps there right perhaps there wrong I certainly hope the latter. However most people are right large monumentous effects would probably not occur in our lifetimes however we do have a strong obligation to uphold this planet for our children and there children and so on and so forth.
It's a sad fact that global warming according to most leading scientists across the world is occuring and that many rather then face the fact would rather run and either deny it or once proved incorrect say they don't care what happens if it's not in their lifetime.
As stated before there are literally thousands of peer reviewed scientific journal articles (which are interestingly enough reviewed by hundreds of other scientists before there publication) affirming that global warming does occur and that we are in fact one of the primary causes of such.
I challenge each and everyone of the strong passionate proponents against global warming on this site to find me one (just one) peer reviewed article published and reviewed by scientists that states global warming is not occuring. I personally would welcome reading it to view the otherside in fact more so because at the end of the day that's what Science does it accurately questions both sides equally.
Unfortunetly the facts have been weighed and the doubters scientifically speaking have been left wanting.
Thanks for your time and have a great week guys! (that's not being smug I promise I actually mean it)
Later!!!
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originally posted by SigmaNunki-
@antimason:
Personal freedoms?!?! Restructuring society?!?! Trillions of dollars for it?!?! Control over our lives?!?! It's nothing like terrorism. How do you even make that connection?
just stop and think about it for a second: regardless of whether global warming is indeed occurring, just as the alarmists claim.. what is your solution?? honostly i want to know
until we have alternatives, that are viable economically, there is nothing we can do. what you want is the G8 leaders to hammer out a global plan.. which is just what the NWO elite want, this constant, subconscious threat of the unknown, or in this case the weather.. that will make your personal security, day to day, feel compromised.. to the extent that youll submit to intrusive, literally oppressive government regulations.
if we're going to get a hostile climate anyways, id rather not have the government so far up my ass that they can read my mind..
its not as if there is no effort to replace fossil fuels, but there is a counter effort to suppress and deny these alternatives. the hypocracy is pretty profound, but its probably the same people stealing patents as the ones working through the establishment to put artificial taxes on gasoline, to tax your personal mileage, including tolls, or at certain times of day.. and on and on. the reality is, oil, like money and food, are essential to controlling a populace, and until self sufficiency becomes viable, the political burden will only fall on the poor and middle classes, and drive us into further enslavement
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The gov (well the US gov) doesn't do anything about global warming b/c the oil industry "donates" so much money.
thats the obvious corruption on the surface, only try to picture the motive- where is all this leading? we're talking ultimate control over every aspect of our lives by a single central authority.. and in this age, just as all history before us testifies, its a recipe for unbridled tryanny(the NWO)
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In all seriousness, you really have to let go of this paranoia that the gov is out to get you. I mean, I'm a fairly paranoid person (I'm into secure programming), but seriously, you're scary to me.
im sorry you feel that way.. i wish you had a better grasp on the trend of global events, but the reality is the government IS out to get you, and control is the name of the game
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THAT should say something to you i.e. The practically (as in practical not almost) paranoid is finding you paranoid at a scary level. Just think about that.
im not paranoid one bit, ive accepted the challenge and ill go down fighting- you sound like youve already sumbitted to big brother and his terror alert levels and infinite hysteria over the unknown
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Originally posted by Citizen:
Middle ground would be "a little from column A, a little from column B" which is actually what I think, if you'd like to start again and actually converse for once, rather than stifle same when it's not what you want to hear, especially dropping the now unwarranted insults I'd be more than happy to go over it with you.
Quote:So that's a no to the actually attempting to talk then?, which I may add is your decision not mine.
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Are you always this mentally challenged, or is it only when you post here ? I swear, the balance of your replies are, " unt uh.... I know you are, but what am I ? " OR " That's what you said, not me " . I can't debate w/ a 3 yr old!
Sorry, everything you said about me applies to you ONLY, and not me. There, happy?
Quote:That's funny, you're talking about yourself and reusing my old lines to do it. Highly amusing, I'd say get you're own material, but it would seem you are woefully incapable.
A hollow and empty claim on your part. You're the only one making that claim, so you automatically project it onto everyone else who isn't even following this thread. In your mind, that's how you 'win'. But that's the only place.
Indeed the only place where your continued blather makes any sense or singles out yourself as 'the better man' or 'the winner' is within the fevered mind of a drivelling maniac, whomever that may be.
Quote:What because I recognise that pollution is bad and fossil fuels aren't infinite? Actually the word is realistic, but assign to it whatever makes you feel better.
You're such a Chicken Little.
Quote:Well actually you are the one lying, but hardly a surprise there huh. If this wasn't the case you'd quote where I said "AURaptor believes the Earth isn't getting warmer" (current sentence omitted of course). You can't do this, because those words don't exist, so your continued blather in light of my correction proves that it is not merely a misunderstanding but a deliberate lie.
Yes, you said that exactly. Don't lie. And stop twisitng my words.
Quote:Actually I have conclusively shown how you are on the "is not" side of the "is Global warming man made?" debate. That is not the middle ground, but neither your understanding or admittance of this inordinately simple fact is required for you to continue to make yourself look like a brainless little twit, so please, do continue.
I took the middle ground, and you keep ignoring that fact. I granted that a tiny increase in the global temp MAY be occuring, but that it wasn't due to humanity. If I was as 1 sided as you claimed, I'd not even admit there was ANY warming. Man, you really are a dense sod.
Quote:So you are saying my position is that the Earth is not getting warmer because higher temperatures are not higher than lower temperatures? Man that's an insane thing to say, either outright dellusional or a lie. I need not 'backtrack' (I think you actually mean back peddle, but I understand if it's hard to get these things straight in your viscious vindictive rants) in order to disprove this, my position is firmly and irrefutably in the camp of "global warming is occurring", you know this, I know that you know this, so this is a blatant lie. If you wish to lie to attack me at least make it a good one for god's sake.
It was your position, and you know it. It made you look silly, so now you're trying to backtrack.
I have no wish to further indulge your desire to derail debate on a subject you wish to crush, troll away, but I will not respond, I urge fellow posters when encountering AURaptors posts:
Please don't feed the Trolls.
More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.
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THAT should say something to you i.e. The practically (as in practical not almost) paranoid is finding you paranoid at a scary level. Just think about that.
im not paranoid one bit, ive accepted the challenge and ill go down fighting- you sound like youve already sumbitted to big brother and his terror alert levels and infinite hysteria over the unknown
BWAHHHH!!! OMG.
I've been lurking on this thread, not for the debate (which, as usual for RWED, has gone all bitter and name call-y. Blah!) but because it's so entertaining. This last comment - "I'm not paranoid but Big Brother HAS YOU!" is really the best.
Bravo Chrisisall, for starting such a fabulous thread. Except you really should check your facts - the temperature of space is rising because the Flying Spaghetti Monster stroked it with His Noodly Appendage. The FSM is clearly tied to all manners regarding thermodynamics:
http://www.scq.ubc.ca/?p=231
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Originally posted by antimason:Quote:
THAT should say something to you i.e. The practically (as in practical not almost) paranoid is finding you paranoid at a scary level. Just think about that.
im not paranoid one bit, ive accepted the challenge and ill go down fighting- you sound like youve already sumbitted to big brother and his terror alert levels and infinite hysteria over the unknown
BWAHHHH!!! OMG.
This last comment - "I'm not paranoid but Big Brother HAS YOU!" is really the best.
hey as they say.. "ignorance is bliss"
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Quote:This thread got all manner of wacky...I honestly thought two or three peeps would get a chuckle, then the thread would die. Imagine my shock when more than one took my initial post seriously, and then an actual Global Warming debate sparked!
Originally posted by mal4prez:
Bravo Chrisisall, for starting such a fabulous thread. Except you really should check your facts - the temperature of space is rising because the Flying Spaghetti Monster stroked it with His Noodly Appendage.
(btw, my true feeling is yes, there is global warming, and yes, man has affected this natural cycle speeding it up 20% or so meaning that this time next century the snow that reached Texas by the end of our century should be gone.)
Blessed be the Holy Flying Spaghetti Monster Chrisisall
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Quote:HA! And your beloved "Science" cannot discover the cause!
Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
Actually, it was probably just a joke. Chrisisall does that. No one knows why.
All with the evil laugh Chrisisall
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Originally posted by chrisisall:
This thread got all manner of wacky...I honestly thought two or three peeps would get a chuckle, then the thread would die. Imagine my shock when more than one took my initial post seriously, and then an actual Global Warming debate sparked!
(btw, my true feeling is yes, there is global warming, and yes, man has affected this natural cycle speeding it up 20% or so meaning that this time next century the snow that reached Texas by the end of our century should be gone.)
Blessed be the Holy Flying Spaghetti Monster Chrisisall
OK, if we're being serious now...
My take is like this. Things we know: 1) the earth is warming up. 2) The earth has natural hot/cold cycles. 3) we human types are putting stuff in the atmosphere. But the problem is, we aren't scientifically with it enough to know how much of 2) and 3) is contributing to 1). There are theories and data to contribute to both sides, but nothing conclusive.
Fair enough, right? Thing is, we'd be damned fools not to take preventive action, just in case it is us. Come on - it's the planet we live on! The cost of destroying it is soooo high. It's a no-brainer to me.
It reminds me of how people stood like a mile from ground zero when they were first testing nukes, because it hadn't occurred to them that there might be this fallout thing. And twenty years later they're wasting away with cancer.
Oh what a little caution could save us from...
How'd I get so serious? Ahh! Must run from RWED! Spaghetti Monster, take me away!
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Quote:And it's not paranoia when the voices are real, right?
Originally posted by antimason:
hey as they say.. "ignorance is bliss"
Oops. Still here.
I really don't mean to fight - I actually agree with some of what you say. Self-serving corporations are largely in control of the government policy-making system, especially the fossil fuel industry. (The root of most of our present evils, I say!)
I'm just saying, FYI, you really should cool yourself a bit if you hope to convince anyone that you're not some raving paranoid lunatic. I'm not calling you that - just saying that people debating you are going to assume it if you give them a chance. And
"im not paranoid one bit, ive accepted the challenge and ill go down fighting- you sound like youve already sumbitted to big brother and his terror alert levels and infinite hysteria over the unknown"
gives them a BIG ole chance. That's all. Peace.
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Quote:Great shades of Calgon!
Originally posted by mal4prez:
Spaghetti Monster, take me away!
Mini-tune Chrisisall
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even if - we don't totally accept it - even if that were the premise - why in the world would we not want to make changes anyway?
Make changes? What kind of changes do you suggest ? We're already recycling, cutting back on harmful chemical emissions, etc... Could we better manage our resources ? Yep, most likely. But to suggest if we DON'T make drastic changes that we'd be signing a death sentence to the planet or mankind.... that's where most folks leave the argument.
Quote:So I'm guessing you're not one of the 'Up with People' folk from back in the 70's, huh?
We have too much stuff, too much trash, and too many people. We need to be responsible and clean up our bloody messes, cut back on fossil fuels, alternative heating, recycling etc. It's no difference than cleaning up after yourself and considering future consequences.
People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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You all will find this very intersting.
http://www.myfootprint.org/
MGTS go ahead try to guess what it stands for.
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even if - we don't totally accept it - even if that were the premise - why in the world would we not want to make changes anyway?
Make changes? What kind of changes do you suggest ? We're already recycling, cutting back on harmful chemical emissions, etc... Could we better manage our resources ? Yep, most likely. But to suggest if we DON'T make drastic changes that we'd be signing a death sentence to the planet or mankind.... that's where most folks leave the argument.Quote:So I'm guessing you're not one of the 'Up with People' folk from back in the 70's, huh?
We have too much stuff, too much trash, and too many people. We need to be responsible and clean up our bloody messes, cut back on fossil fuels, alternative heating, recycling etc. It's no difference than cleaning up after yourself and considering future consequences.
People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
Allow me to hold your coat while you try on thet Lemming suit.
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#1 greenhouse gas is water vapor. Solution: ban all water on Earth.
#2 greenhouse gas is carbon dioxide. Solution: ban all animals on Earth.
#3 greenhouse gas is methane. Solution: ban all animals and plants on Earth.
#4 greenhouse gas is ozone. Solution: ban all plants and sunlight on Earth.
#1 cause of global warming is the Sun. Solution: ban the Sun.
#1 salesman for global warming is oil company owner Albert Gore, the guy who was declared the winner, yet refused all recounts in during presidential Selection 2000. Solution: ban Al Gore.
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RealTime X-Ray Photo of Sun
Fahrenheit 3,600,000 Degrees
Nuke Fusion on Sun's Surface
http://sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov/data/realtime-images.html
http://indiana.edu/~animal/fun/conversions/temperature.html
http://thunderbolts.info/tpod/2006/arch06/060120solar1.htm
http://discovery.nasa.gov/genesis.html
http://www.magazine.noaa.gov/Quote:
"The Sun - it's that big firey thing up in the sky. But that's not important right now."
Global Warming Max in 1934
http://www.texemarrs.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code
=catalog&Product_Code=pop_3506_cd&Category_Code=October_2006_Programs
Global Cooling Since 1998
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml?xml=/opinion/2006/04/09/
do0907.xml&sSheet=/news/2006/04/09/ixworld.html
GLOBAL WARMING ON SUN
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2004/07/18/wsun18
.xml&sSheet=/news/2004/07/18/ixnewstop.html
MARS GLOBAL WARMING
http://www.mos.org/cst-archive/article/80/9.html
JUPITER GLOBAL WARMING
http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/060504_red_jr.html
NEPTUNE GLOBAL WARMING
http://www.scienceagogo.com/news/19980526052143data_trunc_sys.shtml
PLUTO GLOBAL WARMING
http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/pluto_warming_021009.html
SOLAR SYSTEM WARMING
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/november2006/161106suvjupiter.htm
COSMIC GLOBAL WARMING
100-Million Degree Milky Way
http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/2005/arch05/050217tempsspace.htm
GLOBAL FREEZING
Cyclical Ice Age by 2012
http://freedomradio.us/news/2006/1_january/10_ice_age.html
SOLAR POLE FLIP
http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2001/ast15feb_1.htm
WEATHER MODIFICATION INC
http://weathermod.com
TESLA RADIO WX WARS
http://www.theconservativevoice.com/articles/article.html?id=9470
WEATHERWARS
http://weatherwars.info
OWNING THE WEATHER
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8262483364410309502&q=william+
cooper
CHEMTRAIL CENTRAL
http://www.chemtrailcentral.com
CHEMTRAIL 101
Brainwash in US Skool Books
http://www.willthomas.net/Chemtrails/Articles/Chemtrails_In_US_Schools
.htm
CHEMTRAIL DATA
http://www.rense.com/politics6/chemdatapage.html
WEATHER WAR VS USA
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=PET200
60511&articleId=2423
US Senate Bill 517 and US House Bill 2995 declare war on USA. Trimethyl Aluminum and barium are just two of the toxic chemicals used in recent atmospheric heating and testing programs according to NASA. NASA noted in an October 2005 newsletter that persistent contrails are trapping warmth in the atmosphere and exacerbating global warming - May 11, 2006
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/D?c109:1:./temp/~c109RGDvXW::
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/D?c109:1:./temp/~c109rsYOGw::
US Dept of Defense - "Others are engaging even in an eco-type of terrorism whereby they can alter the climate, set off earthquakes, volcanoes remotely through the use of electromagnetic waves. So there are plenty of ingenious minds out there that are at work finding ways in which they can wreak terror upon other nations.It's real, and that's the reason why we have to intensify our efforts, and that's why this is so important." - Jewish Secretary of Defense William Cohen, Conference on Terrorism, Weapons of Mass Destruction, and U.S. Strategy, University of Georgia, April 28, 1997
http://home.att.net/~energy-creations/index.CB.html
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PN, Rap,
I hope you realize your posts are clearly beyond reality.
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Originally posted by rue:
PN, Rap,
I hope you realize your posts are clearly beyond reality.
Good comeback. You really knocked my head off with that one.
But here's something to be afraid of - VERY, VERY AFRAID...
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"ORNL was prepared. Indeed, a lot of planning was done weeks -- even months -- in advance of Science magazine's publication of research results, and all because of two words: cold fusion. By no means was the ORNL director trashing or diminishing the research conducted by Rusi Taleyarkhan and colleagues at Oak Ridge, Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute and the Russian Academy of Sciences. There is a lot of important science taking place currently at Oak Ridge -- on CLIMATE CHANGE [HAARP and/or Chemtrails], functional genomics, superconductivity -- but it typically doesn't require his hands-on care or direction, Madia said."
—Frank Munger, editor, Knoxville News-Sentinel, "Bubble hubbub - ORNL was ready when national media burst onto scene", March 11, 2002
"Oak Ridge currently stores more low-level nuclear waste than any other DOE site in the nation. Oak Ridge facilities have more than 47,000 cubic yards of low-level waste in storage - roughly a third of DOE's total inventory nationwide. 26,937 cubic yards at East Tennessee Technology Park (formerly known as the K-25 site). 11,435 cubic yards at Oak Ridge National Laboratory. 8,907 cubic yards at the Y-12 nuclear weapons plant. Many of the containers are stored outdoors, exposed to the elements."
—Frank Munger, editor, Knoxville News-Sentinel, "DOE on mission to cut costs, clean up low-level nuclear waste", March 4, 2002
"The Oak Ridge plant remains an integral cog in the U.S. nuclear defense, producing new parts for existing weapons and recycling old warheads from retired systems. Y-12, of course, is a symbolic location for protests because the plant produced the enriched uranium used in the A-bomb dropped on Hiroshima, Japan, Aug. 6, 1945. Y-12 also serves as the nation's principal repository for bomb-grade uranium."
—Frank Munger, editor, Knoxville News-Sentinel, "Y-12 a cool place for protesters on a budget ", February 6, 2002
The Toxics Release Inventory (TRI) contains information about more than 650 toxic chemicals that are being used, manufactured, treated, transported, or released into the environment.
http://www.epa.gov/enviro/html/tris/tris_overview.html
LOCKHEED MARTIN ENERGY SYS. U.S. DOE Y-12 PLANT
OAK RIDGE, TN
manufacturer -- release to air (1996)
hydrochloric acid = 138,595 lbs/yr
sulphuric acid = 53,283 lbs/yr
methanol = 30,525 lbs/yr
mercury = 140 lbs/yr
lead = 4,923 lbs/yr
National-Scale Air Toxics Assessment 2001
Results: Map of 1996 Emission Densities
http://www.epa.gov/ttn/atw/nata/mapemis.html
KNOX COUNTY, TN
Ranking in USA 1996 (latest data available for 2001)
diesel particulate matter 1 2 top 95% (HIGHEST RATING)
acetaldehyde (poisonous byproduct in metabolism of alcohol beverages) top 90%
acrolein top 90%
acrylonitrile top 75%
arsenic compunds top 50%
benzene top 90%
beryllium compounds top 75% (Oak Ridge top 95%)
1,3 butadiene top top 95%
cadmium compounds top 50% (Oak Ridge top 95%)
carbon tetrachloride top 90%
chloroform top 90% (Loudon County top 95%)
chromium compounds top 75% (Oak Ridge top 90%)
coke oven emissions below 25% (all of TN)
1,3 dichloropropene top 90%
ethlylene dibromide top 75% (Loudon County top 90%)
ethylene dichlroride top top 50% (Oak Ridge top 95%)
ethylene oxide top 90%
formaldehyde top 90%
hexachlorobenzene 25% to 50%
hydrazine (rocket fuel) top 75% (Cocke County top 95%)
lead top 50% (Oak Ridge top 90%)
manganese compounds top 75% (Roane County top 90%)
mercury compounds top 75% (Oak Ridge top 95%)
methylene chloride (triggers false positive in BAC DWI testing) top 75% (Roane County top 90%)
nickel compounds top 75% (Oak Ridge top 90%)
perchloroethylene top 90%
polychlorinated biphenyle (PCB) bottom 25% (all TN)
polycylic organic matter (PCM) top 75%
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Quote:With out any challenge or additional comment as to my stance, you fail miserably to make a ponit.
Allow me to hold your coat while you try on thet Lemming suit.
Clearly, my use of the lemming analogy was meant to be a commentary of how many folks blindly believe there is a man made Global warming crisis, and not a literal description of how lemmings off themselves by all jumping over a cliff. If I had used the ostrich-sticking-its-head-in-the-sand analogy, my MEANING would be understood, even though everyone knows that an ostrich really doesn't stick its head in the ground when scared. Think of how many ostriches would be feasted on by lions/hyennas, etc if instead of running away, they just stood there, heads stuck in the sand.
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Rap,
I hope you realize your posts are clearly beyond reality.
You can't debunk my posts, so you simply dismiss them, out of hand. Fact: The middle of what is now the United States use to be at the bottom of a shallow, inland sea. The state of Florida was completely submerged. Was it 'global warming' which caused water levels to reach so high? Or was it Noah's flood? If you said 'global warming', you'd be RIGHT! But it wasn't caused by mankind, as we weren't ready to make the scene until some 69,760,000 yrs later. Sorry Al Gore fans.
*sigh* Why am I even bothering with this crap.
People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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PirateNews- man, where have you been lately? the global warming issue is always fun, but i needed your cinematics for the 9/11 inside job discussion.. it was brutal
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Originally posted by antimason:
PirateNews- man, where have you been lately? the global warming issue is always fun, but i needed your cinematics for the 9/11 inside job discussion.. it was brutal
9/11 Truth is too easy. Just swing your Truth Axe and all heads fall off.
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Questions to ask skeptics, from Mancow to Oxycontin Rush:
1. Are you a govt employee?
2. Have you read Pentagon's Operation Northwoods?
3. How did WTC 7 fall down, when it wasn't hit by a jet?
4. How come the suicide hijackers are still alive, weren't listed on passenger lists, and trained at US military bases?
5. Are you illiterate?
6. Are you brain damaged?
7. Are you diagnosed as insane?
8. What then is your major malfunction?
Busy with my worldwide TV show, broadcasting all 24 hours from American Scholars Symposium 9/11 and the NeoCon Agenda. This week's episode was Loose Change 3.
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Those guys were featured in a centerfold spread in Hustler this month, discussing their $20-million Hollywood budget for 9/11 Truth.
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Rap,
Out of all your posts you've made two comments directly related to global warmming. Both were opinions. There isn't anything there for me to 'refute'.
Monday, January 15, 2007 - 23:26
Tuesday, January 16, 2007 - 00:07
Tuesday, January 16, 2007 - 11:04
Tuesday, January 16, 2007 - 11:25
We don't have enough data to know for certain whether climate change is caused primarily by the sun or falls in line w/in the normal heating/cooling this planet experiences over 1000's of yrs.
Tuesday, January 16, 2007 - 22:43
Kyoto nuts are guilty of the same thing....wanting to cherry pick evidence
Tuesday, January 16, 2007 - 22:57
Wednesday, January 17, 2007 - 03:08
Wednesday, January 17, 2007 - 03:08
Wednesday, January 17, 2007 - 23:02
Thursday, January 18, 2007 - 21:44
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Originally posted by AURaptor:Quote:With out any challenge or additional comment as to my stance, you fail miserably to make a ponit.
Allow me to hold your coat while you try on thet Lemming suit.
Clearly, my use of the lemming analogy was meant to be a commentary of how many folks blindly believe there is a man made Global warming crisis, and not a literal description of how lemmings off themselves by all jumping over a cliff. If I had used the ostrich-sticking-its-head-in-the-sand analogy, my MEANING would be understood, even though everyone knows that an ostrich really doesn't stick its head in the ground when scared. Think of how many ostriches would be feasted on by lions/hyennas, etc if instead of running away, they just stood there, heads stuck in the sand.Quote:
Rap,
I hope you realize your posts are clearly beyond reality.
You can't debunk my posts, so you simply dismiss them, out of hand. Fact: The middle of what is now the United States use to be at the bottom of a shallow, inland sea. The state of Florida was completely submerged. Was it 'global warming' which caused water levels to reach so high? Or was it Noah's flood? If you said 'global warming', you'd be RIGHT! But it wasn't caused by mankind, as we weren't ready to make the scene until some 69,760,000 yrs later. Sorry Al Gore fans.
*sigh* Why am I even bothering with this crap.
People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
Mr. Raptor Man, Sir, please provide evidence that Global Warming is a natural effect.
To show causality here in the science world, we need a few things:
1) We need something that when you increase it, the temperature increases.
2) We need something that when you decrease it, the temperature decreases.
3) We need to remove other contributing factors and make sure that the relationship still exists.
So, if it's caused by nature, I'll need you to provide me with data that correlates biomass to temperature (here's a hint as to why you'll fail with that one; the Earth is currently more deforested than it has ever been, habitats are shrinking faster than they have ever been, and the number of species going extinct in comparable to the mass extinction that killed the Dinosaurs; after that one, the temperature went down, not up).
That evidence appears to indicate that global warming is not solely due to nature.
Now let's talk about removing mitigating factors; that would be man. In order for you to prove that it's not man-caused, you'll have to get rid of man-made emissions, because they're definitely affecting your data.
As for "man-made", here's some information for you. Your position relies on the assumption that greenhouse gas levels in the atmosphere are static; in fact, these gases are in constant flux and without human sources of CO2, plant life would be sufficient to maintain the temperature at a healthy rate of change (i.e. one that will cause gradual weather changes and sea level increases, then recycle that into decreases). Generally, animal populations are at an equilibrium of not increasing, and so their emissions don't increase, so the *amount* of greenhouse gases does not go up because plants maintain it.
There are problems happening right now with this system:
1) We are cutting down forests like never before, decreasing the earth's ability to deal with CO2 and maintain balance.
2) We are killing animals like never before, which *should* decrease the temperature. All it's doing is decreasing the share of CO2 that animals make.
2) We are burning fossil fuels like never before, making man the only source that increases its CO2 output.
Other sources like water vapor, ozone, etc, are still at a relative equilibrium and so we're okay.
Essentially, we are totally screwing an equilibrium that was per
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Originally posted by freeradical42:
Mr. Raptor Man, Sir, please provide evidence that Global Warming is a natural effect.
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Originally posted by oldenglanddry:
Allow me to hold your coat while you try on thet Lemming suit.
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Originally posted by rue:
PN, Rap,
I hope you realize your posts are clearly beyond reality.
...
Out of all your posts you've made two comments directly related to global warmming. Both were opinions. There isn't anything there for me to 'refute'.
Guys.
Please don't feed the trolls.
More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.
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We don't have enough data to know for certain whether climate change is caused primarily by the sun or falls in line w/in the normal heating/cooling this planet experiences over 1000's of yrs.
That isn't merely MY opinion, but the opinion of a host of accredited scientist which are so often ignored by the 'mainstream'. So, you dismiss their views out of hand.
People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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"That isn't merely MY opinion, but the opinion of a host of accredited scientist which are so often ignored by the 'mainstream'."
Please provide data. All you've done so far is make unsupported claims, which is why your posts fall into the category "opinion".
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Hi Citizen,
Well the board's been kinda slow. Sometimes feeding the trolls is what passes for conversation.
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Quote:If there's pizza in it for me, I'll be a troll....
Originally posted by citizen:
Guys.
Please don't feed the trolls.
You know nothing...grrrr..you are all straw men...science doesn't matter,,,argggg go ahead with the ad hominems, you asshats...grrrr,...that's what all your kind say....Bush cares for our environment! *spittle shoots from mouth*
where's the corporate love?...go live in China where they really polute....grrrrr
only I know the truth...grrrr
Extra cheese please Chrisisall
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Quote:You can have a knuckle sandwich
Originally posted by chrisisall:
If there's pizza in it for me, I'll be a troll....
You know nothing...grrrr..you are all straw men...science doesn't matter,,,argggg go ahead with the ad hominems, you asshats...grrrr,...that's what all your kind say....Bush cares for our environment! *spittle shoots from mouth*
where's the corporate love?...go live in China where they really polute....grrrrr
only I know the truth...grrrr
Extra cheese please Chrisisall
About the limit of my wit at 2AMIsAll...
More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.
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Quote:You can have a knuckle sandwich
Originally posted by citizen:
Food fit for a troll....no thanks, I'll pass.
No troll Chrisisall
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