Global Warming proven a hoax!
POSTED BY: chrisisall
UPDATED: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 02:11
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OK - I just gotta say "WHAT???" Even if you don't believe it and it would be a huge reality shift for me to accept that humans are not in any way, shape or form responsible for affecting change in our environment - even if - we don't totally accept it - even if that were the premise - why in the world would we not want to make changes anyway?
We have too much stuff, too much trash, and too many people. We need to be responsible and clean up our bloody messes, cut back on fossil fuels, alternative heating, recycling etc. It's no difference than cleaning up after yourself and considering future consequences.
My humble opinion only.
Siri
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I wonder in this post if anybody could truly write something to sway the polar opposite side.(I doubt it)
I suppose the debate as well as the controversy springs from one simple fact with Science there is no absolute truth. Yes we have theories, laws, and simple hypotheses but at the end of the day we test and we test and the only thing you can do is prove something to be false. Only by eliminating the impossibilties do you reach "scientific truth" (which as stated is not and never will be absolute)
So the overall consensus currently in the scientific field, as I humbly know it is that Global Warming is occuring and yes we are causing it to increase by leaps and bounds. Global warming yes as someone previously pointed out occurs in a regular cycle every ten thousand years or so the problem with this time is that due to the increased production of Co2 gases into the atmosphere we have far exceeded the normal fluctuations that usually occur with natural global warming.
Perhaps most of all what is causing it is the land stripping of trees across the world to keep up with building demands of our ever growing population. However certainly the use of coal and big manufactoring companies producing inordinate amounts of CO2 certainly have contributed greatly.
As has also been stated there are a handful of scientists and individuals out there who are trying to disprove global warming with little to no evidence supporting there cause. Perhaps if anyone here or any scientists out there have tested or proven any information regarding that CO2 has not effected globabl warming and that we have not produced an excess amount of CO2 please let me know so we can publish this scientific material together. (so we can both be rich please)
I'm not surprised that scientists would oppose such an issue because as stated previously above there is no absolute truth in science and everything and I mean everything is hypothesized as being false. (scientific method simply states that is how you prove it again and again is by proving it not to be false)
For those who say there is nothing we can do if we are causing it perhaps there right perhaps there wrong I certainly hope the latter. However most people are right large monumentous effects would probably not occur in our lifetimes however we do have a strong obligation to uphold this planet for our children and there children and so on and so forth.
It's a sad fact that global warming according to most leading scientists across the world is occuring and that many rather then face the fact would rather run and either deny it or once proved incorrect say they don't care what happens if it's not in their lifetime.
As stated before there are literally thousands of peer reviewed scientific journal articles (which are interestingly enough reviewed by hundreds of other scientists before there publication) affirming that global warming does occur and that we are in fact one of the primary causes of such.
I challenge each and everyone of the strong passionate proponents against global warming on this site to find me one (just one) peer reviewed article published and reviewed by scientists that states global warming is not occuring. I personally would welcome reading it to view the otherside in fact more so because at the end of the day that's what Science does it accurately questions both sides equally.
Unfortunetly the facts have been weighed and the doubters scientifically speaking have been left wanting.
Thanks for your time and have a great week guys! (that's not being smug I promise I actually mean it)
Later!!!
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originally posted by SigmaNunki-
@antimason:
Personal freedoms?!?! Restructuring society?!?! Trillions of dollars for it?!?! Control over our lives?!?! It's nothing like terrorism. How do you even make that connection?
just stop and think about it for a second: regardless of whether global warming is indeed occurring, just as the alarmists claim.. what is your solution?? honostly i want to know
until we have alternatives, that are viable economically, there is nothing we can do. what you want is the G8 leaders to hammer out a global plan.. which is just what the NWO elite want, this constant, subconscious threat of the unknown, or in this case the weather.. that will make your personal security, day to day, feel compromised.. to the extent that youll submit to intrusive, literally oppressive government regulations.
if we're going to get a hostile climate anyways, id rather not have the government so far up my ass that they can read my mind..
its not as if there is no effort to replace fossil fuels, but there is a counter effort to suppress and deny these alternatives. the hypocracy is pretty profound, but its probably the same people stealing patents as the ones working through the establishment to put artificial taxes on gasoline, to tax your personal mileage, including tolls, or at certain times of day.. and on and on. the reality is, oil, like money and food, are essential to controlling a populace, and until self sufficiency becomes viable, the political burden will only fall on the poor and middle classes, and drive us into further enslavement
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The gov (well the US gov) doesn't do anything about global warming b/c the oil industry "donates" so much money.
thats the obvious corruption on the surface, only try to picture the motive- where is all this leading? we're talking ultimate control over every aspect of our lives by a single central authority.. and in this age, just as all history before us testifies, its a recipe for unbridled tryanny(the NWO)
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In all seriousness, you really have to let go of this paranoia that the gov is out to get you. I mean, I'm a fairly paranoid person (I'm into secure programming), but seriously, you're scary to me.
im sorry you feel that way.. i wish you had a better grasp on the trend of global events, but the reality is the government IS out to get you, and control is the name of the game
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THAT should say something to you i.e. The practically (as in practical not almost) paranoid is finding you paranoid at a scary level. Just think about that.
im not paranoid one bit, ive accepted the challenge and ill go down fighting- you sound like youve already sumbitted to big brother and his terror alert levels and infinite hysteria over the unknown
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Originally posted by Citizen:
Middle ground would be "a little from column A, a little from column B" which is actually what I think, if you'd like to start again and actually converse for once, rather than stifle same when it's not what you want to hear, especially dropping the now unwarranted insults I'd be more than happy to go over it with you.
Quote:So that's a no to the actually attempting to talk then?, which I may add is your decision not mine.
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Are you always this mentally challenged, or is it only when you post here ? I swear, the balance of your replies are, " unt uh.... I know you are, but what am I ? " OR " That's what you said, not me " . I can't debate w/ a 3 yr old!
Sorry, everything you said about me applies to you ONLY, and not me. There, happy?
Quote:That's funny, you're talking about yourself and reusing my old lines to do it. Highly amusing, I'd say get you're own material, but it would seem you are woefully incapable.
A hollow and empty claim on your part. You're the only one making that claim, so you automatically project it onto everyone else who isn't even following this thread. In your mind, that's how you 'win'. But that's the only place.
Indeed the only place where your continued blather makes any sense or singles out yourself as 'the better man' or 'the winner' is within the fevered mind of a drivelling maniac, whomever that may be.
Quote:What because I recognise that pollution is bad and fossil fuels aren't infinite? Actually the word is realistic, but assign to it whatever makes you feel better.
You're such a Chicken Little.
Quote:Well actually you are the one lying, but hardly a surprise there huh. If this wasn't the case you'd quote where I said "AURaptor believes the Earth isn't getting warmer" (current sentence omitted of course). You can't do this, because those words don't exist, so your continued blather in light of my correction proves that it is not merely a misunderstanding but a deliberate lie.
Yes, you said that exactly. Don't lie. And stop twisitng my words.
Quote:Actually I have conclusively shown how you are on the "is not" side of the "is Global warming man made?" debate. That is not the middle ground, but neither your understanding or admittance of this inordinately simple fact is required for you to continue to make yourself look like a brainless little twit, so please, do continue.
I took the middle ground, and you keep ignoring that fact. I granted that a tiny increase in the global temp MAY be occuring, but that it wasn't due to humanity. If I was as 1 sided as you claimed, I'd not even admit there was ANY warming. Man, you really are a dense sod.
Quote:So you are saying my position is that the Earth is not getting warmer because higher temperatures are not higher than lower temperatures? Man that's an insane thing to say, either outright dellusional or a lie. I need not 'backtrack' (I think you actually mean back peddle, but I understand if it's hard to get these things straight in your viscious vindictive rants) in order to disprove this, my position is firmly and irrefutably in the camp of "global warming is occurring", you know this, I know that you know this, so this is a blatant lie. If you wish to lie to attack me at least make it a good one for god's sake.
It was your position, and you know it. It made you look silly, so now you're trying to backtrack.
I have no wish to further indulge your desire to derail debate on a subject you wish to crush, troll away, but I will not respond, I urge fellow posters when encountering AURaptors posts:
Please don't feed the Trolls.
More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
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Originally posted by antimason:Quote:
THAT should say something to you i.e. The practically (as in practical not almost) paranoid is finding you paranoid at a scary level. Just think about that.
im not paranoid one bit, ive accepted the challenge and ill go down fighting- you sound like youve already sumbitted to big brother and his terror alert levels and infinite hysteria over the unknown
BWAHHHH!!! OMG.
I've been lurking on this thread, not for the debate (which, as usual for RWED, has gone all bitter and name call-y. Blah!) but because it's so entertaining. This last comment - "I'm not paranoid but Big Brother HAS YOU!" is really the best.
Bravo Chrisisall, for starting such a fabulous thread. Except you really should check your facts - the temperature of space is rising because the Flying Spaghetti Monster stroked it with His Noodly Appendage. The FSM is clearly tied to all manners regarding thermodynamics:
http://www.scq.ubc.ca/?p=231
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Originally posted by mal4prez:Quote:
Originally posted by antimason:Quote:
THAT should say something to you i.e. The practically (as in practical not almost) paranoid is finding you paranoid at a scary level. Just think about that.
im not paranoid one bit, ive accepted the challenge and ill go down fighting- you sound like youve already sumbitted to big brother and his terror alert levels and infinite hysteria over the unknown
BWAHHHH!!! OMG.
This last comment - "I'm not paranoid but Big Brother HAS YOU!" is really the best.
hey as they say.. "ignorance is bliss"
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Quote:This thread got all manner of wacky...I honestly thought two or three peeps would get a chuckle, then the thread would die. Imagine my shock when more than one took my initial post seriously, and then an actual Global Warming debate sparked!
Originally posted by mal4prez:
Bravo Chrisisall, for starting such a fabulous thread. Except you really should check your facts - the temperature of space is rising because the Flying Spaghetti Monster stroked it with His Noodly Appendage.
(btw, my true feeling is yes, there is global warming, and yes, man has affected this natural cycle speeding it up 20% or so meaning that this time next century the snow that reached Texas by the end of our century should be gone.)
Blessed be the Holy Flying Spaghetti Monster Chrisisall
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Quote:HA! And your beloved "Science" cannot discover the cause!
Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
Actually, it was probably just a joke. Chrisisall does that. No one knows why.
All with the evil laugh Chrisisall
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Originally posted by chrisisall:
This thread got all manner of wacky...I honestly thought two or three peeps would get a chuckle, then the thread would die. Imagine my shock when more than one took my initial post seriously, and then an actual Global Warming debate sparked!
(btw, my true feeling is yes, there is global warming, and yes, man has affected this natural cycle speeding it up 20% or so meaning that this time next century the snow that reached Texas by the end of our century should be gone.)
Blessed be the Holy Flying Spaghetti Monster Chrisisall
OK, if we're being serious now...
My take is like this. Things we know: 1) the earth is warming up. 2) The earth has natural hot/cold cycles. 3) we human types are putting stuff in the atmosphere. But the problem is, we aren't scientifically with it enough to know how much of 2) and 3) is contributing to 1). There are theories and data to contribute to both sides, but nothing conclusive.
Fair enough, right? Thing is, we'd be damned fools not to take preventive action, just in case it is us. Come on - it's the planet we live on! The cost of destroying it is soooo high. It's a no-brainer to me.
It reminds me of how people stood like a mile from ground zero when they were first testing nukes, because it hadn't occurred to them that there might be this fallout thing. And twenty years later they're wasting away with cancer.
Oh what a little caution could save us from...
How'd I get so serious? Ahh! Must run from RWED! Spaghetti Monster, take me away!
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Quote:And it's not paranoia when the voices are real, right?
Originally posted by antimason:
hey as they say.. "ignorance is bliss"
Oops. Still here.
I really don't mean to fight - I actually agree with some of what you say. Self-serving corporations are largely in control of the government policy-making system, especially the fossil fuel industry. (The root of most of our present evils, I say!)
I'm just saying, FYI, you really should cool yourself a bit if you hope to convince anyone that you're not some raving paranoid lunatic. I'm not calling you that - just saying that people debating you are going to assume it if you give them a chance. And
"im not paranoid one bit, ive accepted the challenge and ill go down fighting- you sound like youve already sumbitted to big brother and his terror alert levels and infinite hysteria over the unknown"
gives them a BIG ole chance. That's all. Peace.
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