Global Warming proven a hoax!
POSTED BY: chrisisall
UPDATED: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 02:11
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Chris,isall
There are two ways for space's temp to rise - one, it's got the flu. The other -- I fergit.
There are more particles moving as fast as the others, or the particles that are there are moving faster, or both.
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Quote:No I'm really not.
Originally posted by AURaptor:
As I stated, you are GREATLY mistaken.
Quote:Nope that would be you old chap.
Once again, you're wrong. This has nothing ot do w/ Bush, but you do seem to have such a hard on for the Prez, it's no wonder.
Quote:Actually cherry picking evidence is your bag, it would seem. You know it's funny how the only person who can't see the parallels between your argument and the creationists is you.
I vilify Creationist for ignoring the consensus, but more importantly, for ignoring the EVIDENCE! The Creationist and the Kyoto nuts are guilty of the same thing....wanting to cherry pick evidence and arrange an arguement based on a PREVIOUSLY HELD TENNENT.
Quote:Where as you're better because you set out to prove its nothing to do with you and you can keep your big wasteful polluting SUV that gets poor petrol mileage because it's not really polluting and petrol will last for ever.
Just as the Creationist say the Bible is literally accurate, the tree hugging Kyoto zealots are hell bent on proving mankind ( mainly Western, Industrialized mankind ) is responsible for destroying the Earth. So, each starts with a template to hold to, then formulates the evidence which best makes their case, as they see it.
Quote:No, it's the other side of the "Is global warming man made debate". One side say “t'is” t'other says “t'isn't”. How on Earth can you characterise one side of the debate as 'the middle ground'?
It is the middle ground, but you're so small that you can't face up to that minor detail.
Middle ground would be "a little from column A, a little from column B" which is actually what I think, if you'd like to start again and actually converse for once, rather than stifle same when it's not what you want to hear, especially dropping the now unwarranted insults I'd be more than happy to go over it with you.
Quote:If you actually care to read what I wrote I never said you did, nor did I imply such, I said an argument that said the Earth wasn't getting warmer was such, very plainly so.
I've never made the claim that 40 isn't higher than 30, that's your delusional position.
Also how you've worked out that my position is that 30 is higher than 40 is beyond me, maybe it's a strawman argument you've cooked up, maybe you're simply too arrogant to actually read what I wrote so your fevered brain has to fill in the blanks with whatever passes for an imagination with you. Who's to say, but the point is that it is plainly not MY position as you claim, what are you on?
More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.
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S'wenyways,
I go with the consensus of scientists. Not like it's a religion or anything but b/c they have the evidence. If they are proven wrong then I'll change my position.
BTW I just wanted to point out there still are scientists trying to disprove relativity and evolution. Just b/c a theory has gotten the consensus of many doesn't mean it's scientifically dead issue.
Is it hot in here, or is it just me ??
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Quote:Yeah I know, and the first point you raise is what I'm trying to say, but please remember who it is I'm trying to talk to.
Originally posted by rue:
S'wenyways,
I go with the consensus of scientists. Not like it's a religion or anything but b/c they have the evidence. If they are proven wrong then I'll change my position.
BTW I just wanted to point out there still are scientists trying to disprove relativity and evolution. Just b/c a theory has gotten the consensus of many doesn't mean it's scientifically dead issue.
Is it hot in here, or is it just me ??
If he wants to actually talk what the hell I'll give it a go, but I've tried it before and it just ends with him calling people a moron again.
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Quote:Well as we've seen the temperature of 'space' can drop by two degrees due to rapid dispersion of matter. The 'pressure' drop causes cooling if you like. You can try this yourself, opening the valve on a compressed air canister should noticeable drop the temperature of the canister to the touch. A pressure increase will have the opposite effect.
Originally posted by chrisisall:Quote:So how did space's temperature suddenly rise 6 1/2 degrees?
Originally posted by citizen:
Simply put there is nothing in Space to have a temperature. It's not quite that simple because space does have a temperature, of about 3 kelvin, 3 degrees above absolute zero, the lowest possible temperature because at this point atomic vibration ceases to occur.
Don't understand Chrisisall
In the reverse heating increases pressure, cooling decreases pressure. So we can see there is a direct relationship between temperature and pressure. So how could the cosmic background temperature increase? Easy by increasing the pressure of space. How can we increase the pressure of space when we have ascertained it is steadily decreasing due to expansion? Well, maybe the universe isn't expanding any more?
Sure we can see galaxies moving away from us, in some cases at velocities greater than c (this doesn't break special Relativity because the galaxy isn't moving, space is expanding) and for Casual's benefit we know the distance between us and these galaxies is increasing because the light from them is Doppler Shifted to the red end of the visible spectrum (sometimes to such a great extent it leaves the visible spectrum and moves into the infra red).
However one thing we have to remember is that these galaxies are very far away, so far that for some em radiation takes billions of years to reach us, so rather than seeing them now we are seeing how they looked and and acted billions of years ago. Incidentally this is also what gives some credence to the big bang theory, we can actually see some of the distant proto galaxies that began to form Billions of years ago.
So how could space's temperature be increasing? Because the 'pressure' of space is increasing. How could the pressure of space be increasing? Because the universe has stopped expanding and is contracting. Maybe the Universe does 'end' in a 'Big Crunch', it's just going to happen a lot sooner than anyone thought.
More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.
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Quote:Actually, it was probably just a joke. Chrisisall does that. No one knows why. The whole space is warming thing was a joke, much like Al Gore’s fictional global warming movie, which really doesn’t do much more then confirm that the whole global warming stuff is just politics.
Originally posted by MGTS:
the MGTS thing at the end is my signature smart one
anyway will u answer my question or not??
space is not heating. i cant. this tidbit of yours, crisisall, is just a smokescreen to get us to stop thinking that humans are the problem. for the sake of every who has posted ont this thread plz watch An Incovenant Truth, a documentary but out by Al gore.
Between Al Gore and Michael More, you’d think the Liberals would shut up about the right wing talk radio. Conservatives just don’t have the money to put their bullshit on the big screen.
And whether or not space is “expanding” or “stretching” depends on just how much dark matter there is. If there is enough dark matter then space is “stretching.” At least, that’s one way to look at it.
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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Well DUH ! Of course it was a joke. 
But seriously, you've derailed the last few days. breathe ! Think of something nice.
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An oldie but goodie demonstrating some basic thermodynamic ideas -
Is Hell exothermic (gives off heat) or endothermic (absorbs heat)?
First, we need to know how the mass of Hell is changing in time. So we need to know the rate that souls are moving into Hell and the rate they are leaving. I think that we can safely assume that once a soul gets to Hell, it will not leave. Therefore, no souls are leaving. As for how many souls are entering Hell, lets look at the different religions that exist in the world today. Some of these religions state that if you are not a member of their religion, you will go to Hell. Since there are more than one of these religions and since people do not belong to more than one religion, we can project that all souls go to Hell. With birth and death rates as they are, we can expect the number of souls in Hell to increase exponentially.
Now, we look at the rate of change of the volume in Hell. Boyle's Law states that in order for the temperature and pressure in Hell to stay the same, the volume of Hell has to expand as souls are added. This gives two possibilities:
1. If Hell is expanding at a slower rate than the rate at which souls enter Hell, then the temperature and pressure in Hell will increase until all Hell breaks loose.
2. Of course, if Hell is expanding at a rate faster than the increase of souls in Hell, then the temperature and pressure will drop until Hell freezes over.
So which is it?
If we accept the postulate given to me by Ms. Teresa Banyan during my Freshman year, "...that it will be a cold day in Hell before I sleep with you," and take into account the fact that I still have not succeeded in having sexual relations with her, then, #2 cannot be true, and thus I am sure that Hell is exothermic and will not freeze."
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Quote:Am I the one who missed the joke?
Originally posted by rue:
Well DUH ! Of course it was a joke.
But seriously, you've derailed the last few days. breathe ! Think of something nice.
Also if I've done anything that is noticeable on this board in the last few days, I'm probably posting too much. I need to leave and find out what catastrophe has befallen unnoticed.
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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Some people really, REALLY need to develop a sense of humor.
-F
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