Global Warming proven a hoax!

POSTED BY: chrisisall
UPDATED: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 02:11
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AURAPTOR

Tuesday, January 16, 2007 11:25 AM

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Why do you insist (implicitly) that only the extremes exist in this discussion? Or in other words, why is there no middle ground between "ack, the sky is falling" and "the ostridge syndrome"?

Why didn't you read what I posted ? I conceeded that global warming MAY be happening, but its not due to mankinds actions. That seems to me to be the perfect 'middle' you say I'm avoiding. Hmmm....

My position is simple. We don't have enough data to know for certain whether climate change is caused primarily by the sun or falls in line w/in the normal heating/cooling this planet experiences over 1000's of yrs. Sure, it makes sense for ALL of us to use fuel efficently , keep pollutants down, etc. Thats why I think such political measures as the Kyoto Treaty are unmitigated disasters. It turns a blind eye to 3rd world nations while pretending to for the good of all. It's utter nonsense.

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CHRISISALL

Tuesday, January 16, 2007 1:18 PM

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Originally posted by BrownCoatUniversity:
University of Kingston Falls (well need I say more) When you get a Professor from Harvard, Princeton, Columbia, hell even a half decent acredited university then make a statement.

Since Kingston Falls is a town in the movie Gremlins, and a quick google brings up no such university, I would surmise that the original poster of this thread is either full of s**t, or pulling our legs.
Plus that line about space and it's temperature being raised, I mean REALLY.....

Some posters ought to be banned Chrisisall

CHRISISALL

Tuesday, January 16, 2007 1:22 PM

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Originally posted by Causal:
the universe isn't expanding out into space--space itself is stretching

What happens when it reaches it's apex? Does it snap back? 'Cause that might be bad.

Back off man; I'm a scientist Chrisisall

CHRISISALL

Tuesday, January 16, 2007 1:26 PM

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Originally posted by MGTS:

Ya ok where did u get this info from??

Uranus.

Couldn't resist Chrisisall

CAUSAL

Tuesday, January 16, 2007 1:54 PM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
What happens when it reaches it's apex? Does it snap back? 'Cause that might be bad.

I have no idea--but was that right? Is space actually stretching?

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Tuesday, January 16, 2007 2:14 PM

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CHRISISALL

Tuesday, January 16, 2007 3:38 PM

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ANTHONYT

Tuesday, January 16, 2007 5:09 PM

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Originally posted by SigmaNunki:
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Originally posted by AnthonyT:
There's a group in charge of compiling the current research/evidence/etc that show that global warming is real. They are call the International Panel on Climate Change:

http://www.ipcc.ch/

Please refer to there documents and let us know exactly what the problems with there work is. After all you say:

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Originally posted by AnthonyT:

But the furor over Global Warming is idiotic, in my opinion.

So, let us know why it is idiotic. Sure it's been hyped up in North American (especially the US), but that doesn't mean it's bad science nor does it mean it isn't a serious issue nor does it mean that it shouldn't be considered.

How self centered and short sighted of you.

Seems to me what the scientists are predicting IS death by more severe natural disasters. And since what they have predicted IS coming to pass...

Let us know how those life threatening hurricanes suit you then. Or perhaps you could ask someone in New Orleans. Or perhaps the people affected by droughts in Africa.

Because it seems to me that we aren't dealing too well with these changes in temperature. Mother natural isn't exactly letting us.

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Sig,

Snipped parts of the quote for brevity.

You're missing the point in favor of your political/moral position.

S1) Global Warming is happening, XYZ experts say it is happening.

A1) So what? It's happening. The sun is coming up tomorrow too. And it might rain on Thursday. Sounds like I'll be wearing sunglasses and carrying an umbrella. Hurricanes might threaten the coast? Sounds like I'll avoid flood zones and get good insurance. Can't afford to do that? Sounds like I've been selected to die.

S2) Why is the furvor over Global Warming idiotic? You're idiotic, you numbskull!

A2) Well, if it's happening... it'll happen. I've seen no firm evidence that it's happening because of humanity. Oh, and if it's happening in "As little as ten years" then you're buggered. So prepare for climate change!

S3) All you care about is saving money and eliminating toxins, you selvish bastard! What about the world? What about the future? You short-sighted asshole!

A3) You want to reduce C02 and greenhouse gas emissions because it'll save the environment from 'Global Warming.' That's a questionable position, but okay. I want to switch to an unlimited fuel supply whose major byproduct is water. My plan is in complete synch with your plan, but because you're stuck on doing things BECAUSE OF GLOBAL WARMING you will fail. You must do things because it benefits individuals, not society. Having unlimited fuel means cheaper (and stably priced) gas. Having fewer toxins means less illness and cancer. Who the fcuck cares if it means global warming might get reduced? You don't sell people on saving the world. You sell them on saving themselves. And you global warming nuts are too shortsighted and selfish to accept a good thing done for the 'wrong reasons.' It must be done for YOUR reasons.

Idiots.

--Anthony

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CITIZEN

Tuesday, January 16, 2007 5:51 PM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
As is most often the case, blah blah blah

actually I meant you position was mad, I didn't say AURaptor is mad, and even if I did it's hardly in the same league as what you said to me, and your continued personal insults in this post. Although since you think they are equivelent and indeed think you're never the one to start anything maybe you are indeed mad, dellusional in fact.

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You're not sure because it's above you to even contemplate.

No I've contemplated your extreme lack of evidence. I believe that the word is hypocrisy when someone demands something they are unable or unwilling to supply themselves.

I never said I wasn't sure about anything, I said I saw no reason, and I still don't see any reason to beat you round the head with your own ignorance by showing you data from accredited independent scientists so that you can just be a nasty insulting low brow vindictive little prig in a great big long post questioning my sexuality, character, how many friends I have and other inane childish insults in a purely trollish post whose only refutation of the actual argument will amount to "George Bush says".

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Other than you see it as just another reason to be a jack-ass and insert yourself by insulting someone in this thread who hadn't said 1 derogatory word toward you in the least.

Yet more personal insults. So I'm acting like a 'jack-ass' by making personal insults and nothing else, which would surely be a case of pots and black kettles, given your post. But then I realise you work on a basis of 'one rule for me, another for everyone else'.

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If you're trying to imply that my stance on global warming relies solely on what any elected official has to say, you'd be greatly mistaken.

Imply, I pretty much flat out stated it, was it too subtle for you? I find it funny and interesting that every position you hold mirrors Bush's words, after all it's wholly not based on scientific opinion because we know where the consensus among the majority and independent majority of science lies.

It is even more interesting to me that you attack creationists for ignoring the scientific consensus then do the same yourself, that is when the consensus says something that doesn't reflect the Bush administrations position and your own preconceived notions.

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Or was that also a joke? It's so hard to figure out British humor.

Anything beyond fart jokes and slapstick eh, no problem I'll see what I can do to drop to that level for you on occasion.

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Why didn't you read what I posted ? I conceeded that global warming MAY be happening, but its not due to mankinds actions. That seems to me to be the perfect 'middle' you say I'm avoiding. Hmmm....

No, to call that position middle ground is delusional or dishonest at best. All it is, is rehashing the same position of no Global Warming with out the untenable requirement of having to deny that 40 isn't higher than 30. It's not all that different too creationists rehashing their myth as intelligent design.

CITIZEN

Tuesday, January 16, 2007 6:15 PM

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Originally posted by Causal:
Actually, if I remember by Astronomy class, space is not "no-thing." If I remember our discussion of the expansion of the universe, the prof said that the universe isn't expanding out into space--space itself is stretching, so it takes longer to get from point to point. This, of course, has nothing to do with global warming, but it bakes my noodle every time I think about it, so I thought I'd share the love.

Space is considered a vacuum, that is it is filled with little or no matter. In the case of interplanetary space around the Earth it is about 5 particles per cm/3, which is very dense compared to the interstellar void. Simply put there is nothing in Space to have a temperature. It's not quite that simple because space does have a temperature, of about 3 kelvin, 3 degrees above absolute zero, the lowest possible temperature because at this point atomic vibration ceases to occur. This is the cosmic background temperature, although in one instance it has dropped to as low as 1K due to rapid expansion of matter after a supernova.

Space is not actually 'stretching' it is expanding, which isn't exactly the same thing, but essentially the distance between matter within the Universe is growing.

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