Imponderables: Winter Came Back Again?

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NVGHOSTRIDER

Tuesday, March 10, 2009 3:32 PM

Icy car and brisk drive to work. Spring will kill it off at any moment.

Previous Thread:
http://www.fireflyfan.net/mthread.asp?b=2&t=37149&m=683931#683931

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The country is making a big mistake not teaching kids to cook and raise a garden and build fires.
-Loretta Lynn

ZEEK

Tuesday, March 10, 2009 3:33 PM

Winter never arrived in Austin.

Firsties!

MSA

Tuesday, March 10, 2009 4:25 PM

Hey I have a ponder... how do you respond to unwanted advice?
I'm getting a lot of it ( especially from my mother) about what I should and shouldn't do. I'm pretty much going with " thanks, but I think I will stick to what my OBGYN reccommends"
Anyone got any better responses to people who think that because they had a certain thing work one way for them, it must be the same for everyone?

To love someone is to see a miracle invisible to others.
--Francois Mauriac
It's fuzzy-minded liberal thinking like that that gets you eaten.

NVGHOSTRIDER

Tuesday, March 10, 2009 5:27 PM

Meh, realized now I've ignored all advice and feel like a tool for doing so. Going your own way is good but having noone to blame all the BS on sucks.

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The country is making a big mistake not teaching kids to cook and raise a garden and build fires.
-Loretta Lynn

ZEEK

Tuesday, March 10, 2009 5:29 PM

I usually say "yeah good idea" and then don't do anything. That or if the person has no way of knowing better I just tell them I did whatever they suggested. I played the trumpet for years and years as far as my Dad knows. I also bought my brother a happy anniversary card as far as he knows. As well as plenty of other things I'm sure. It's just easier that way.

Good idea about getting the allergies thing checked out btw MsA.

MSA

Tuesday, March 10, 2009 7:05 PM

so are you admitting you have allergies??
HUGS Zeek:)

To love someone is to see a miracle invisible to others.
--Francois Mauriac
It's fuzzy-minded liberal thinking like that that gets you eaten.

ZEEK

Tuesday, March 10, 2009 7:28 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by MsA:
so are you admitting you have allergies??
HUGS Zeek:)

NEVER!

MSA

Tuesday, March 10, 2009 8:22 PM

It's cute how you think that you can stop them...giggle

To love someone is to see a miracle invisible to others.
--Francois Mauriac
It's fuzzy-minded liberal thinking like that that gets you eaten.

ZEEK

Tuesday, March 10, 2009 8:34 PM

I don't need to stop that which does not exist.

I just need to stop my nose from running. Surely there's some sort of pill for that.

MSA

Tuesday, March 10, 2009 9:37 PM

yup it's called zyrtec....go get some. It's over the counter and will work within 30 min:)

To love someone is to see a miracle invisible to others.
--Francois Mauriac
It's fuzzy-minded liberal thinking like that that gets you eaten.

ZEEK

Tuesday, March 10, 2009 10:04 PM

Seek medical attention right away if any of these SEVERE side effects occur when using Zyrtec:

Severe allergic reactions (rash; hives; itching; difficulty breathing; tightness in the chest; swelling of the mouth, face, lips, or tongue; unusual hoarseness); dark urine; fainting; fast or irregular heartbeat; mental or mood changes; persistent fatigue; seizures; severe dizziness; unusual bruising or bleeding; yellowing of eyes or skin.

Runny nose doesn't sound so bad.

MSA

Tuesday, March 10, 2009 10:08 PM

Oh you big baby!!! those are like a billion to one shot but thanks to lawyers they have to warn you just in case. Millions of people use it every day and have no problem... HUGS

To love someone is to see a miracle invisible to others.
--Francois Mauriac
It's fuzzy-minded liberal thinking like that that gets you eaten.

NVGHOSTRIDER

Tuesday, March 10, 2009 10:51 PM

When your potato chips end up with a warning as such it must be stated that some things are just not worth the product.

In the case of Olean, flavor and crispness should not cause anal leakage.

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The country is making a big mistake not teaching kids to cook and raise a garden and build fires.
-Loretta Lynn

FREELANCERTEX

Tuesday, March 10, 2009 11:17 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by MsA:
Hey I have a ponder... how do you respond to unwanted advice?
I'm getting a lot of it ( especially from my mother) about what I should and shouldn't do. I'm pretty much going with " thanks, but I think I will stick to what my OBGYN reccommends"
Anyone got any better responses to people who think that because they had a certain thing work one way for them, it must be the same for everyone?

what kind of advice? like, pregnancy advice, or child raising advice? or both?
how bout "it's my child, let *me* raise it(him/her)"? though i like the 'i'll follow what my OBGYN recommends' one. you could always take the telly savalas approach: "butt out!!"

MSA

Wednesday, March 11, 2009 12:13 AM

pregnancy advice..my mom kinda likes to think she's the worlds expert on everything so she's giving a lot of advice which is opposite to what my obgyn says ... so hopefully this won't be too big a deal when we visit

To love someone is to see a miracle invisible to others.
--Francois Mauriac
It's fuzzy-minded liberal thinking like that that gets you eaten.

NAVYSEILS

Wednesday, March 11, 2009 12:16 AM

I like it, msa is trying to be subtle, not used to that. I would have just imagined you to be quick in telling her to stick the advice where the torch of the obgyn shines.

MSA

Wednesday, March 11, 2009 3:08 AM

ah I see you haven't met my mother... it's kind of like telling genghis khan mixed with martha stewart and a little dash of niska where to stick it... not a plan

To love someone is to see a miracle invisible to others.
--Francois Mauriac
It's fuzzy-minded liberal thinking like that that gets you eaten.

NAVYSEILS

Wednesday, March 11, 2009 4:36 AM

Just explain to her that things have changed since she last had any kids, new informations and such come along all the time, and you think it's best to go with the guys that are keeping up to date perhaps?

MSA

Wednesday, March 11, 2009 2:11 PM

Your optimism is adorable... anyone else that would work great for. See my mom is convinced beyond any thing you can imagine that her way is the only way anything can be done and if you disagree you are WRONG. She's not one to see reason. I once got yelled at quite a lot for causing problems because my field trip was caught in a serious flash flood ( we were nearly killed) and she was pissed because I didn't make sure I got my new clothes while I fled the tent running for my life and the tent got swept away into the water and my clothes were lost plus she had to come pick me up at like 3 am. Apparently I really should have planned better and had all my clothes in a bag by the door of the tent so I could have grabbed them when we were woken up and the wall of water came down on us.

To love someone is to see a miracle invisible to others.
--Francois Mauriac
It's fuzzy-minded liberal thinking like that that gets you eaten.

ZEEK

Wednesday, March 11, 2009 2:41 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by MsA:
I once got yelled at quite a lot for causing problems because my field trip was caught in a serious flash flood ( we were nearly killed) and she was pissed because I didn't make sure I got my new clothes while I fled the tent running for my life and the tent got swept away into the water and my clothes were lost plus she had to come pick me up at like 3 am. Apparently I really should have planned better and had all my clothes in a bag by the door of the tent so I could have grabbed them when we were woken up and the wall of water came down on us.

You put up with that? The proper response is "If you had raised me better maybe I would have been more prepared. Your failure is not my fault."

Parents love that line trust me.

NVGHOSTRIDER

Wednesday, March 11, 2009 4:34 PM

There is some sort of translation issue with her software. Regardless of the story or the true happening it is always her way and no other. Not that she is a bad person. Just that she is and therefore there is reason to fear her. Kinda like Black Mambas and Great White Sharks. They exist and we may never run into them but they must still be feared.

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The country is making a big mistake not teaching kids to cook and raise a garden and build fires.
-Loretta Lynn

SOLARFLARE

Wednesday, March 11, 2009 4:59 PM

When I get advice from someone, I usually thank them for their point of view and tell them that I will think about it. I do think it's (usually)nice that they have taken their time to share their thoughts with me. And then I really do think about it (although if it's really bad advice my thinking about it usually includes a chuckle).

If someone is pushy about it, then I'll let them know they need to back off. My tone in letting them know this will vary according to how pushy/rude they are.

FREELANCERTEX

Wednesday, March 11, 2009 5:14 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by MsA:
pregnancy advice..my mom kinda likes to think she's the worlds expert on everything so she's giving a lot of advice which is opposite to what my obgyn says ... so hopefully this won't be too big a deal when we visit

lolz, i think *every* mother thinks theyre the expert on pregnancy XD

i like solarflare's idea as well :P

NVGHOSTRIDER

Wednesday, March 11, 2009 9:17 PM

boredboredboredboredbored...
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The country is making a big mistake not teaching kids to cook and raise a garden and build fires.
-Loretta Lynn

MSA

Wednesday, March 11, 2009 9:25 PM

NV yes my mom is a black mamba...giggle

See you're all assuming my mom is rational. You can look at her , holding absolute incontrovertable proff that she is wrong and show it to her. She will still vehemently deny your proof ( even if it were video tape of her doing it) and say you are wrong... nothing breaks through. Unfortunately this coincides with her unshakable belief that she is the ultimate expert in all things medical, scientific, spiritual, academic, mechanical, etc ( all things basically) and no one else's opinion is valid. Also if I told her she parented wrong she'd just tell me it was my fault because I wasn't " teachable" ( teachable is her code word for doing what she says when she says it)

To love someone is to see a miracle invisible to others.
--Francois Mauriac
It's fuzzy-minded liberal thinking like that that gets you eaten.

ZEEK

Wednesday, March 11, 2009 9:31 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by MsA:
Also if I told her she parented wrong she'd just tell me it was my fault because I wasn't " teachable" ( teachable is her code word for doing what she says when she says it)

She must not have taught you to be stubborn enough. You just say "well you should have raised me to be teachable!". This is the equivalent of a kid asking "why" over and over. There is no defense as a parent. They lose on both nature and nurture. So, you can just pretend humans are a blank slate and if they're disappointed with what they got it's their fault. At the very least you get a stalemate out of the situation.

WAKEUPSOON

Wednesday, March 11, 2009 9:31 PM

Hurmmm ... there must be a way to get around that ...

IDEA (be proud, I don't get these very often!!):
Say something along the lines of "Mum, I'm old enough now to make my own decisions. I could be wrong, but let me make my own mistakes; Its easier to learn from your own mistakes than someone else's." (Y)

~WuS

This is not my signature, I have to write this every time I post.
Smile && Nod, it makes it seem like you know what's going on.

FREELANCERTEX

Wednesday, March 11, 2009 9:32 PM

lolz, i love ppl like that. ><;; hate to say it, but she sounds like my grandmother a bit *slaps self for saying that* *hugs MsA* sounds like the only thing u can do is continue to ignore her advice.
my parents know they argue too much(they insist they don't, until i recount the arguments they've had while i or the bf were present), but they don't really seem to care because they always insist it's justified (even when they do it while company's over) and keep right on doing it, so i'm gonna have to train them the hard way *sigh*

MSA

Wednesday, March 11, 2009 11:20 PM

Zeek...giggle ok I shall try it:) HUGS

So what all is everyone else up to this weekend??

To love someone is to see a miracle invisible to others.
--Francois Mauriac
It's fuzzy-minded liberal thinking like that that gets you eaten.

FREELANCERTEX

Thursday, March 12, 2009 1:47 AM

weekend?

<.<

>.>

it aint even thursday yet :P lol.
but, mom took the day off tomorrow so she and i can have some us time, go to ihop, figure out some patterns, learn the sewing machine (she knows how; to this point i've been sewing everything by hand. gets challenging after a while...)

MSA

Thursday, March 12, 2009 3:05 AM

machines are not your friend... I much prefer hand sewing ( though that may have something to do with the incident in which I sewed my hair into the waistband of the shorts I was making)

To love someone is to see a miracle invisible to others.
--Francois Mauriac
It's fuzzy-minded liberal thinking like that that gets you eaten.

FREELANCERTEX

Thursday, March 12, 2009 3:20 AM

O_O!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ouch? good thing i have short hair :P

i dont mind hand sewing cuz im good at it and i can be precise with my stitches, but it takes such a gorram long time ><;; knowing the machine would make it easier for bigger projects.

ZEEK

Thursday, March 12, 2009 4:15 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by MsA:
So what all is everyone else up to this weekend??

I'm going to a funny little get together. This one girl down here thinks that the state of Texas is special for some reason. I hear they actually go through Texas propaganda class in elementary school. It's so funny. Anyway each year she tries to have a day dedicated to the state of Texas. I go just cause I find it hilarious. Especially for a state so full of fail. Alamo - fail, Civil War - fail, George W Bush - fail, TexMex - fail.

Seriously has Texas ever done anything good?

MSA

Thursday, March 12, 2009 4:41 PM

Oil???

Well I will say they do portions on an epic scale... and they have awesome barbeque:)

awww how cute a texas party....are you wearing cowboy boots?

To love someone is to see a miracle invisible to others.
--Francois Mauriac
It's fuzzy-minded liberal thinking like that that gets you eaten.

ZEEK

Thursday, March 12, 2009 5:03 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by MsA:
awww how cute a texas party....are you wearing cowboy boots?

Heck no. One year I had a shirt made full of Texas facts. All facts that point out what a Texas sized failure the state is. *is a jerk*

MSA

Thursday, March 12, 2009 5:10 PM

Think of yourself as the party's conversational impetus:)
So why exactly do you live in Texas if you dislike it so? I mean there are plenty of other states available ( 49 to be exact)

To love someone is to see a miracle invisible to others.
--Francois Mauriac
It's fuzzy-minded liberal thinking like that that gets you eaten.

ZEEK

Thursday, March 12, 2009 5:24 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by MsA:
Think of yourself as the party's conversational impetus:)
So why exactly do you live in Texas if you dislike it so? I mean there are plenty of other states available ( 49 to be exact)

It had the best job offer out of college. Unfortunately if I had waited just a couple years to be born I might have just been offered a remote job where I could just live where I was so they wouldn't have to pay for moving me down here. I guess it would be more likely they wouldn't even be hiring.

Anyway the point is moved for work. Don't have any emotional attachment to Austin or TX.

CALIFORNIAKAYLEE

Thursday, March 12, 2009 6:37 PM

That's pretty much the same reason I lived in Austin. I wasn't straight out of college, but work is work, you go where it is usually.

I don't know if Zeek has had the same experience, but my experience has been that there are only a handful of hubs for high tech work, Austin being one of them, but also San Francisco and Seattle, and maybe a couple of other places. I know lots of people in high tech and/or video games who hate those areas with a passion, but live there because that's where the work is.

I lucked out in that LA/SoCal has become a pretty big video game hub in the last few years, what with the proximity to Hollywood and a few of the giants of the industry being here (but really it's a pretty small percentage, most are in Austin, Seattle, or SF). Or maybe I lucked out in that I like SoCal, heh. I could also stand Seattle, having grown up in Portland, but I haven't ever had the chance to work there, just here, SF, and Austin.

I've also known more than a couple of people who had to move to Austin for work and got that "but it's Texas!" look, hehe. I tell them that Austin is a nice little town, if you can get used to not being near a huge city like LA or SF, and to look at a topographical map of Texas, and a political map. Austin is a little green/blue oasis in the middle of a bunch of red/brown, depending on which map you're looking at. ;)

There are actually things I miss about Austin, and this is making me all homesick for it, even though I consider California home, heh.

~CK

You can't take the sky from me...

ZEEK

Thursday, March 12, 2009 6:55 PM

Yeah Austin isn't really that bad. Though Texas as a whole is not my thing.

I'm actually not deeply rooted anywhere. My ideal place to live has a warm climate, a major airport nearby (austin is lacking there IMO), and good internet access. That's about all I need. Everything else tends to fall into place if those are there.

Though I must say people who have never lived anywhere other than Texas make no sense when they say Texas is soooooo great. What the heck do you know unless you've been somewhere else that isn't great? I've lived in CA, IL, IN, MO and now TX. There's nothing all that special here trust me. The best thing they have is the Alamo Drafthouse and I bet that could be done somewhere else. :-P

MSA

Thursday, March 12, 2009 6:57 PM

I guess I just never think of texas as being a high tech mecca... I mean come on it's texas.

Zeek at least it's not somewhere like Plano...HUGS

To love someone is to see a miracle invisible to others.
--Francois Mauriac
It's fuzzy-minded liberal thinking like that that gets you eaten.

CALIFORNIAKAYLEE

Thursday, March 12, 2009 7:00 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Zeek:
The best thing they have is the Alamo Drafthouse and I bet that could be done somewhere else. :-P

They could, and yet they haven't. I think the closest theater like that to me is in downtown Oakland, which was too far away even when I lived in the Bay Area. I don't get it. People like movies. People like beer. People like yummy greasy food. Why not combine that more often? I'm sure people in SoCal would go for it, heh.

See, making me miss Austin. Every Christmas I say I'm going to get out to the Drafthouse and every year I don't (though I did manage to go see a movie this year, it was Twilight and wasn't playing at the Drafthouse, hehe).

Speaking of movies, did anyone see Watchmen? I saw it last weekend and... Well I'll let other people reply first, heh.

~CK

You can't take the sky from me...

CALIFORNIAKAYLEE

Thursday, March 12, 2009 7:03 PM

Lol MsA, that's exactly it. Texas isn't high tech, but Austin is -- Austin not actually being a part of Texas, just surrounded by it. Dell is headquartered there, along with several other programming and tech companies, and there are tons of video game companies there too.

~CK

You can't take the sky from me...

ZEEK

Thursday, March 12, 2009 7:18 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by CaliforniaKaylee:
Speaking of movies, did anyone see Watchmen? I saw it last weekend and... Well I'll let other people reply first, heh.

Too flustered thinking of glowing, blue penis to make a comment huh? I thought it was just OK. The story kept me interested the whole time at least, but I don't think I'd bother watching it again. Now that I know all the mysteries there's not much left that would keep me interested for nearly 3 hours (unless the director's cut has the hot chick naked a lot more cause daaaaaaaamn). Also I thought the criminals in the movie were incredibly stupid. I mean if I see 20 of my buddies get their asses handed to them without so much as laying a finger on their opponent I'm pretty much turning and running. Instead these guys seem to be waiting in line for their turn to get pummeled. Sometimes even "cutting" in line. (hehe you know the scene with the cutting) Which is why I'm glad I'm desensitized to violence. Cause there was a lot of it. Meh

That's my disjointed random review.

MSA

Thursday, March 12, 2009 7:42 PM

LOL on the taking turns getting beaten up

oh and check this out
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090311/ap_on_fe_st/odd_pet_store_human_co
rpse;_ylt=Apud4oPrVwak7PLf_AQduRXtiBIF

Now there's a shipping error:)

To love someone is to see a miracle invisible to others.
--Francois Mauriac
It's fuzzy-minded liberal thinking like that that gets you eaten.

CALIFORNIAKAYLEE

Thursday, March 12, 2009 7:50 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Zeek:
Too flustered thinking of glowing, blue penis to make a comment huh?

Lol yeah something like that. I actually really hated the movie, which I totally didn't expect. I got up early on Saturday to go to a 10am showing, so the hubby and I could see it without the crowds, but by 11:30 (half way through!) we were actually considering sneaking out of the movie, going to get lunch, and catching a 12:30 showing of something better at the dollar theater on the other side of town, lol.

Generally I don't mind nudity or violence, especially in movies like this that know their audience and play to it. 300, for instance. I thought the violence was cinematic and fun, and the nudity was beautiful and artistic and true to the story.

But Watchmen? I don't know what went right for the director with 300 and so horribly wrong with Watchmen, but I really wish they'd made it PG-13 instead and just cut out all the nudity and violence.

Part of the problem was that I found the story horrifically boring. The plot plodded along, I had no reason to care about any of the characters much less like them, and there was absolutely no sense of cinematic "wow". Just dull, the whole time. With random nudity. For three hours. In one scene I was actually so bored I found myself not listening to anything that was going on, and rather wondering if Dr. Manhatten was circumsized, and if so if that was true to the character. Seriously. No movie should ever put you through that.

I also found the sex scenes to be really uncomfortable and just gross. Again I'm going to have to watch 300 again soon just to get all that grossness out of my head. And what was up with the couch scene? What the fuck was that?? And the violence actually managed to be worse than the sex scenes. The sequence with the dog, and the sequence with the jail cell door made me want to go watch Sin City or something. But I'll probably stick with 300, heh. ;)

I was totally excited to see the movie too, and I'm just annoyed that I had to sit through three hours of gross pointlessness to get over that excitement. I actually know the guy who did the production design for the movie (worked with him a few years back), and one of the guys who did some of the "motion comics" that were up on iTunes last fall, advertising for the movie. I saw a rough cut of one of the motion comics (corresponds to the first entry from Rorschach's journal in the movie) last summer and thought it looked awesome. So I was totally jazzed to see the movie. And then it sucked royally.

On the bright side, I did like the production design, lol. It was a pretty movie, just with nothing behind it. But I tend to be a fan of that guy's work no matter what he does (he also did Minority Report, Fight Club, The Crow, Corpse Bride, a bunch others -- all very visually awesome movies IMO). And I haven't gotten to talk to my friend who did the motion comics yet to see what he thought of the movie.

My husband and I hated it so much that I warned some of my family members (who are more touchy about violence and nudity than I am) off of it. But then the hubby talked to some people at the office who really loved it, so now I'm a bit cautious about saying I hated it as much as I did, heh.

~CK

You can't take the sky from me...

ZEEK

Thursday, March 12, 2009 8:07 PM

I think the couch scene was intentionally awkward. I'm almost thinking the guy was supposed to be virgin and we're getting that he had no idea what to do now that he got what he wanted.

I did sort of care about the characters. I cared more about how they got where they were at in the movie. One point I couldn't really figure out was whether they had super powers or not. Sometimes I was like "ok they have to". Other times I was like they seem pretty normal with just like a touch of over the top ability. Obviously not including Dr. Manhattan.

I don't see how it can be considered a great movie, but I don't think it was bad either. I guess maybe I get the feeling that if I had super powers I'd fit in pretty well with this group. I don't think I'd be very forgiving.

MSA

Thursday, March 12, 2009 8:35 PM

Ok wait... something bad happens to a dog????? This was not mentioned. Don't tell me what happens just yes or no does the dog get hurt? If so what scene preceeds it so I can leave the theatre for that part ( I want to see the movie, but can't possibly watch something bad happen to a doggie... it's bad enough when I'm normal , but with all the pregnancy hormones I might be traumatized for days...)

To love someone is to see a miracle invisible to others.
--Francois Mauriac
It's fuzzy-minded liberal thinking like that that gets you eaten.

CALIFORNIAKAYLEE

Thursday, March 12, 2009 8:41 PM

Hmm, I actually don't remember what the fate of the dog -- dogs, really, I think there are two or three of them -- are. I remember what happens to their owner, but not the dogs. It was the rest of the scene that they're in that bothered me. I was trying to pick on something that someone who had seen the movie would recognize but that wouldn't be a spoiler for those who haven't seen it. Zeek might be able to tell you what happens to the dogs, I honestly don't remember.

~CK

You can't take the sky from me...

MSA

Thursday, March 12, 2009 8:46 PM

ok as long as nothing horrible and graphic happens to the dogs I'm ok... not overly disturbed if bad things happen to people, just kids and dogs.

To love someone is to see a miracle invisible to others.
--Francois Mauriac
It's fuzzy-minded liberal thinking like that that gets you eaten.

ZEEK

Thursday, March 12, 2009 8:46 PM

I think CK means what the dogs are doing. The dogs are the bad guys not the other way around.

Edit: oh she was just bringing up the scene. Don't worry about the dogs anyway.

ZEROKIRYU

Thursday, March 12, 2009 8:48 PM

Here's an open letter from David Hayter, on of the screenwriters for Watchmen which I found to be a good read: http://www.hardcorenerdity.com/profiles/blog/show?id=2239098%3ABlogPos
t%3A40658

And about not finding any of the character likable, that's kinda the point, You're not really supposed to like any of them. What it did was take heroes and turn them into regular people instead of idolizing them. It goes into the dark depths of the human psyche to show what kind of people would dress up in costume to fught crime, and the effects of what they've seen and done.

Edit: Yeah, something bad happens to the dogs, but it's by far not the most disturbing scene in that part. If you want msa I'll send you the details and when it happens.

CALIFORNIAKAYLEE

Thursday, March 12, 2009 8:57 PM

Hmm, are you sure the dogs make it out of the scene ok? I really can't remember, but I keep thinking that

Select to view spoiler:

Rorschach shoots them or something.

Of course, what they're doing in the scene is pretty graphic and gross anyway, and easily as disturbing as a dog getting hurt.

Actually -- and I know this is a surprise, lol -- I would advise against seeing it at all, especially if you think the pregnancy hormones will make you more sensitive to stuff like dogs getting hurt. A lot of people get hurt in the movie, and not only big bad guys. If you do see it, you should definitely skip the entire sequence that includes the dogs (Zeek -- remember what the dogs are doing when we first see them?). I don't remember what came right before that so you'll know when to step out. Zeek, any thoughts on how she can recognize that sequence before it actually plays out?

~CK

You can't take the sky from me...

ZEROKIRYU

Thursday, March 12, 2009 9:02 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by CaliforniaKaylee:
Hmm, are you sure the dogs make it out of the scene ok? I really can't remember, but I keep thinking that
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Rorschach shoots them or something.
Of course, what they're doing in the scene is pretty graphic and gross anyway, and easily as disturbing as a dog getting hurt.

Select to view spoiler:

He doesn't shoot them, he does the same thing to them as he did to the guy, cleaver to the head.

CALIFORNIAKAYLEE

Thursday, March 12, 2009 9:02 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by zerokiryu:
And about not finding any of the character likable, that's kinda the point, You're not really supposed to like any of them. What it did was take heroes and turn them into regular people instead of idolizing them. It goes into the dark depths of the human psyche to show what kind of people would dress up in costume to fught crime, and the effects of what they've seen and done.

I get that, but I still think there are ways to make a movie compelling and cinematic while striping characters of any idolization, or while pointing out that maybe this isn't who we should be idolizing in the first place. But none of that came through, IMO. Instead it was three hours of watching unlikeable people doing pointless things, with no redeeming value whatsoever.

I'm sure the graphic novel had a deeper meaning, a point it was trying to make. The movie seemed to miss that completely.

~CK

You can't take the sky from me...

CALIFORNIAKAYLEE

Thursday, March 12, 2009 9:03 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by zerokiryu:
Quote:
Originally posted by CaliforniaKaylee:
Hmm, are you sure the dogs make it out of the scene ok? I really can't remember, but I keep thinking that
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Rorschach shoots them or something.
Of course, what they're doing in the scene is pretty graphic and gross anyway, and easily as disturbing as a dog getting hurt.

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He doesn't shoot them, he does the same thing to tham as he did to the guy, cleaver to the head.

Ah right, I had totally forgotten it. After the rest of the scene that was so ridiculous that I guess I put it out of my head.

~CK

You can't take the sky from me...

MSA

Thursday, March 12, 2009 9:04 PM

Zero- you know me so don't tell me what happens to the dogs just explain when I should leave and when I can come back HUSG thanks sweety

HUGS Ck see I really am not disturbed by bad things happening to good or bad adults...just the kids and animals as they cannot fend for themselves.

To love someone is to see a miracle invisible to others.
--Francois Mauriac
It's fuzzy-minded liberal thinking like that that gets you eaten.

CALIFORNIAKAYLEE

Thursday, March 12, 2009 9:06 PM

Oh! And I just realized I totally forgot to comment on how horrible the music direction was. It was the worst use of music I've seen in any filmed anything, ever. Seriously, I've seen YouTube videos of puppies with much better use of music than this movie. The music totally took me out of the movie multiple times, and had me thinking "what the fuck? why are they playing that??" more than once.

Next time I go up to the city for work I may have to look that guy up just so I can go kick him in the shins. He needs to be kicked in the shins repeatedly, and blackballed from movies (and TV, games, soup commercials, and YouTube).

I did actually like the opening credits, I thought those were awesomely done, including the music. Unfortunately it was all down hill from there.

~CK

You can't take the sky from me...

ZEEK

Thursday, March 12, 2009 9:08 PM

I think it's disturbing enough before we see the dogs.

OK here's what happens to them:

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The get killed but you don't see them get killed. Later their dead bodies are thrown through windows to scare a bad guy. They aren't all gruesome or anything from what I remember.

It's pretty tough to identify that scene without giving a lot away IMO. You'd pretty much have to say "he's telling the story about the thing you're not supposed to see". Depends on how spoiler free MsA likes to be.

CALIFORNIAKAYLEE

Thursday, March 12, 2009 9:08 PM

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Originally posted by MsA:
Zero- you know me so don't tell me what happens to the dogs just explain when I should leave and when I can come back HUSG thanks sweety

HUGS Ck see I really am not disturbed by bad things happening to good or bad adults...just the kids and animals as they cannot fend for themselves.

Yeah, "bad things happening to kids and animals" is pretty much the name of that scene. If Zeek or Zero can give you clues as to when to leave the theater and how long to stay out, listen to them. Otherwise I'd say just skip it entirely (but obviously I've made my opinions pretty clear already, lol).

~CK

You can't take the sky from me...

ZEROKIRYU

Thursday, March 12, 2009 9:10 PM

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Originally posted by MsA:
Zero- you know me so don't tell me what happens to the dogs just explain when I should leave and when I can come back HUSG thanks sweety

Right, well avoid that scene altogether. When it happens is coming at you now.

MSA

Thursday, March 12, 2009 9:35 PM

OK that's what I'll do. I know NV has really been looking forward to it and from the trailers I thought it looked cool, but I definitely can't stay if bad things happen to kids and animals...

Got it...thanks Zero:)

To love someone is to see a miracle invisible to others.
--Francois Mauriac
It's fuzzy-minded liberal thinking like that that gets you eaten.

ZEEK

Thursday, March 12, 2009 9:40 PM

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Otherwise I'd say just skip it entirely (but obviously I've made my opinions pretty clear already, lol).

Actually I told one of my friends to skip it and she's far from feint of heart. I also told my brother and my mom to skip it (she's easily influenced by people telling her the name of a movie to see). It's a really really really guy movie IMO. Like sex, language, violence and male attitude in massive quantities. I really don't see why any female would enjoy the movie really. So, even though I don't really know your taste in movies, MsA, I doubt you'll enjoy it.

CALIFORNIAKAYLEE

Thursday, March 12, 2009 9:49 PM

Well to add to this, I typically have fairly male tastes in entertainment. 300 is one of my all time favorite movies, I'd rather watch UFC than something fashion/home/celebrity oriented, and I do make video games for a living after all, lol. There was a list on Digg not too long ago with the top 10 most anticipated guy movies of 2009, and I'm crazy excited about all of them. But I still hated Watchmen, and so did my husband, to whom all of the above also applies, but is also, you know, an actual guy. I also have a couple of girlfriends in the game industry who loved Watchmen, so go figure.

~CK

You can't take the sky from me...

ZEROKIRYU

Thursday, March 12, 2009 10:07 PM

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Originally posted by Zeek:
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Originally posted by CaliforniaKaylee:
Otherwise I'd say just skip it entirely (but obviously I've made my opinions pretty clear already, lol).

Actually I told one of my friends to skip it and she's far from feint of heart. I also told my brother and my mom to skip it (she's easily influenced by people telling her the name of a movie to see). It's a really really really guy movie IMO. Like sex, language, violence and male attitude in massive quantities. I really don't see why any female would enjoy the movie really. So, even though I don't really know your taste in movies, MsA, I doubt you'll enjoy it.

I don't see how that makes it a "guy movie". And I'm curious, what do you mean by male attitude in massive quantities?

ZEEK

Thursday, March 12, 2009 10:13 PM

I don't know anyone who loved it. Of the 5 guys who went to see it one disliked it and the rest of us thought it was good but not great. The only woman I know who saw it, beside CK, didn't like it either.

On the plus side though that chick was hot, right?

NVGHOSTRIDER

Thursday, March 12, 2009 10:25 PM

Gone all day and look what happens. Not reading too much but I kinda guessed they stylized violence and hype couldn't cover for an abridged story and lack of better planning.

Then again I loved Sin City even after hearing it would be crap simply because of the same things.

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ZEROKIRYU

Thursday, March 12, 2009 10:34 PM

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Gone all day and look what happens. Not reading too much but I kinda guessed they stylized violence and hype couldn't cover for an abridged story and lack of better planning.

The book was already pretty violent itself. Did they amp it up a bit for the film, yeah, but not much though. Some scenes I'd say they toned it down.

And as for the story, it's pretty much all there, though changed in spots. I'd have to say that this was one of the most faithful adaptations of a graphic novel I've ever seen. Some of the shots look as though they were lifted directly from panels of the book.

ZEEK

Thursday, March 12, 2009 10:36 PM

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I don't see how that makes it a "guy movie". And I'm curious, what do you mean by male attitude in massive quantities?

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For starters were there any women in the film who weren't a sex object? I can't think of one.

A really good example is John recalling that he broke up with his first love because she was noticeably aging and he'd rather boink the young perky chick. Come on is that the only thing this movie values in women?

And if action and violence doesn't speak for itself then you must have a different definition of male attitude than I do.

So, what do you guys think about terminator salvation? I was looking forward to it, but now the preview before Watchmen sorta has me disappointed. I'm not sure if I like the idea of the hybrid terminator thing that's our "last hope" or whatever.

CALIFORNIAKAYLEE

Thursday, March 12, 2009 11:01 PM

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Originally posted by Zeek:
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Originally posted by zerokiryu:
I don't see how that makes it a "guy movie". And I'm curious, what do you mean by male attitude in massive quantities?

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For starters were there any women in the film who weren't a sex object? I can't think of one.

A really good example is John recalling that he broke up with his first love because she was noticeably aging and he'd rather boink the young perky chick. Come on is that the only thing this movie values in women?

And if action and violence doesn't speak for itself then you must have a different definition of male attitude than I do.

Well that certainly didn't win it any female fans I'm sure, but I'm not sure that guys should value that in their entertainment either. I guess that' sone of the things I liked about both Sin City and 300 -- the women were definitely sexy, but still strong and interesting characters in their own right. And I don't think that stopped either from being "guy" movies.

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So, what do you guys think about terminator salvation? I was looking forward to it, but now the preview before Watchmen sorta has me disappointed. I'm not sure if I like the idea of the hybrid terminator thing that's our "last hope" or whatever.

I didn't see the preview (didn't run with Watchmen when I saw it, wonder why that was), but I'm both excited about it and worried about it. I really liked Terminator 3, and The Sarah Connor Chronicles continues to really really impress me (especially when it comes to the AI and robotics stuff, and this is coming from someone who has worked on cutting-edge DARPA funded AI), so I'm actually kind of worried that it won't live up. It's Christian Bale, so I can't see how it'll possibly suck, but I'm still worried.

~CK

You can't take the sky from me...

MSA

Thursday, March 12, 2009 11:04 PM

LOL Zeek I think movies like SIn City and Alien V Predator are good valentine's movies. I figure a movie without explosions, decapitation, and gore is a movie wasted.so Im not typically female in my movie viewing...I've never so much as clapped eyes on titanic or 90% of the chick flicks out there...

To love someone is to see a miracle invisible to others.
--Francois Mauriac
It's fuzzy-minded liberal thinking like that that gets you eaten.

ZEROKIRYU

Thursday, March 12, 2009 11:10 PM

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For starters were there any women in the film who weren't a sex object? I can't think of one.

A really good example is John recalling that he broke up with his first love because she was noticeably aging and he'd rather boink the young perky chick. Come on is that the only thing this movie values in women?

And if action and violence doesn't speak for itself then you must have a different definition of male attitude than I do.

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Some women in the film were viewed as sex objects, but also much more than that, that's just one part of the character. IMO, the only woman to be viewed as a sex object was Sally Jupiter (Laurie's mom), who chose to be viewed that way. True, Laurie took part in the biggest sex scene in the movie, but other than those times I never really got the feeling she was being viewed as something for sex.

Dr. Manhattan's reasoning for leaving his last girlfriend for Laurie was more than just because she was younger, I believe his line in the film was something like "She was getting noticeably older, while I stayed the same". He flet her moving along, while it felt like he was standing still, given time I think he would've done the same to Laurie.

As for the action, there wasn't really all that much, not enough to be classified as a "guy movie". I say it like that because I don't really like the sterotypes like "guy movie" or "chick flick".

MSA

Thursday, March 12, 2009 11:31 PM

ok so action movies instead of guy flick:) gotcha

Peanut is demanding food again...sigh

To love someone is to see a miracle invisible to others.
--Francois Mauriac
It's fuzzy-minded liberal thinking like that that gets you eaten.

ZEEK

Friday, March 13, 2009 3:53 PM

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Originally posted by CaliforniaKaylee:
Well that certainly didn't win it any female fans I'm sure, but I'm not sure that guys should value that in their entertainment either. I guess that' sone of the things I liked about both Sin City and 300 -- the women were definitely sexy, but still strong and interesting characters in their own right. And I don't think that stopped either from being "guy" movies.

Yeah it didn't even work well for guys I don't think. I mean we were literally laughing at the absurdity at some points.

In the end it's a movie I don't think I'll ever recommend to anyone, but for some people I'd say "yeah go see for yourself".

And ugh you like Sarah Conner Chronicles CK? I can't stand it. I guess I just can't get past some of the suspension of disbelief. Like "oh cameron was in an explosion that altered her programming." What now? You're telling me the bits were altered and just magically ended up in a configuration that was not only a running program but an extremely sophisticated one? And then how did they fix it? John scraped a chip with a screwdriver and shoved it back in. Darn annoying code dust getting in the way. Come on!

In the first Season Sarah always tried to do her "badass voice over" junk that drove me nuts too. "Chess is a game of total annihilation". Since effing when? It's in fact a game where you trap the king and don't even kill him much less all the rest of the pieces. Eff you crappy writers!!!

There's way too much time travel going on in the show too. In the movies it feels like time travel is difficult or expensive. Something that can only be used for the most important of tasks. In the show they're sending terminators back for all sorts of little tasks. If they can send that many back then how is John not dead yet? Especially with the level of detail these terminators have. They come back through time looking like some nobody who apparently they know where they worked and what they looked like. In the original terminator all arnold had a was a name and he had to go through a phone book to find Sarah. wtf changed?

Bah I've ranted about that show a lot. I gave up on it mid-season 2. I sorta hope it dies so Summer can go find something better to work on.

FREELANCERTEX

Friday, March 13, 2009 4:43 PM

O_O!!! holy extensive movie-spoiler conversation, Batman. Where the hell is my last post? *searches*

haven't seen watchmen. the bro liked it, and the bf expressed an interest in seeing it. i'm still on the fence cuz it just looked corny ><;; specially with the costumes n such.

ZEEK

Friday, March 13, 2009 5:27 PM

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O_O!!! holy extensive movie-spoiler conversation, Batman.

We tried to stay fairly vague I thought.

FREELANCERTEX

Friday, March 13, 2009 9:32 PM

well, all i know is zeek posted something about texas propaganda after my post, then it just flippin took off from there. :P crazy threads.

ZEEK

Friday, March 13, 2009 9:46 PM

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well, all i know is zeek posted something about texas propaganda after my post, then it just flippin took off from there. :P crazy threads.

Tomorrow is Texan overcompensation day! (psst that's always a true statement...every day is Texan overcompensation day)

FREELANCERTEX

Friday, March 13, 2009 9:59 PM

lmao i'll take ur word for it XD

ZEEK

Monday, March 16, 2009 3:14 PM

Quiet weekend huh?

Well my team won TX trivia lol My contribution was alerting the host when she forgot to deduct points from other teams when they got answers wrong. We only got 1 negative point but we got way more answers wrong than that

However, the weekend took a downturn Sunday when my kitty got all sick. She threw up 5 times before noon. She started getting a little more active by the end of the day and this morning I saw her actually eat a little. So, I thought she was on the mend til she just threw up a little while ago. As soon as I get a break from work I'm going to call the vet and see if I can run her in.

FREELANCERTEX

Monday, March 16, 2009 5:53 PM

aaaw, she didn't eat chocolate did she? cuz thats what my dog was doing when he got into a bag of chocolate >< threw up non stop for hours, even when he tried to ingest some normal stuff.

ZEEK

Monday, March 16, 2009 8:42 PM

I wish. Sounds like kidney failure

We'll see though. They're running a test on the off chance it's just an infection. That would be the best cause we can just knock it out and back to happy kitty. Straight up kidney problems is more of a one way ticket to kitty heaven.

FREELANCERTEX

Monday, March 16, 2009 9:11 PM

aaaaw hope not. want to see kitty feel better :\

SOLARFLARE

Tuesday, March 17, 2009 12:05 PM

I hope your kitty gets better, Zeek.

MSA

Tuesday, March 17, 2009 2:49 PM

oh HUGS Zeek your poor kitty. I will keep my positive thoughts coming your way

To love someone is to see a miracle invisible to others.
--Francois Mauriac
It's fuzzy-minded liberal thinking like that that gets you eaten.

ZEEK

Tuesday, March 17, 2009 3:01 PM

Thanks but everything sounds pretty bad. My mom, who's a nurse, and my aunt, who's a vet lab tech, both looked at the blood workup and they say it's kidney failure. There are even some things in there that point away from infection being the problem. I'll wait the couple days for lab results but if it's her kidneys I think I'll just let her go peacefully rather than try to keep her alive with pills and needles.

MSA

Tuesday, March 17, 2009 3:16 PM

HUGS Zeek I've had to make that decision before. My kitty Boo had kidney failure and we had to let him go. I know he was happier that way than to suffer.

To love someone is to see a miracle invisible to others.
--Francois Mauriac
It's fuzzy-minded liberal thinking like that that gets you eaten.

NVGHOSTRIDER

Tuesday, March 17, 2009 4:25 PM

We survived the land of ice cream and Jell-o. Yay!

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MSA

Tuesday, March 17, 2009 4:35 PM

yay

To love someone is to see a miracle invisible to others.
--Francois Mauriac
It's fuzzy-minded liberal thinking like that that gets you eaten.

ZEEK

Tuesday, March 17, 2009 4:43 PM

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Originally posted by nvghostrider:
We survived the land of ice cream and Jell-o. Yay!

Next up the land of feathers and cotton balls? Sounds scary!

MSA

Tuesday, March 17, 2009 4:45 PM

and then the land of rainbows and pink clouds.....shudder

To love someone is to see a miracle invisible to others.
--Francois Mauriac
It's fuzzy-minded liberal thinking like that that gets you eaten.

NVGHOSTRIDER

Tuesday, March 17, 2009 5:31 PM

Someone told me Utah is the highest consumer of ice cream and Jell-o per capita. This trip wasn't so bad, it was just long. And the trip home was like flying a small plane. The headwind was horrendous and I HATE WIND!

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MSA

Tuesday, March 17, 2009 6:27 PM

Poor NV had to drive 7 1/2 hours to spend several days with a load of shrieking toddlers and a nutball of a pregnant wife and then drive back in a horrific storm for 7 1/2 hours and then deal with his nutball wife having a ridiculous tantrum and then had to go to work this morning

To love someone is to see a miracle invisible to others.
--Francois Mauriac
It's fuzzy-minded liberal thinking like that that gets you eaten.

FREELANCERTEX

Tuesday, March 17, 2009 11:28 PM

aaaaaaw *hugs NV* sounds like torture ><;; (not the pregnant wife bit because i'm sure MsA was a saint )

MSA

Tuesday, March 17, 2009 11:37 PM

a crazy saint who can't find clothes she will wear and suddenly insists we stop in the middle of a virtual hurricane for food....

To love someone is to see a miracle invisible to others.
--Francois Mauriac
It's fuzzy-minded liberal thinking like that that gets you eaten.

FREELANCERTEX

Tuesday, March 17, 2009 11:41 PM

*whispers* (its the pregnancy talking) *has only heard stories about pregnancy making ppl insane* guess i'll find out someday ><;;

MSA

Wednesday, March 18, 2009 3:18 AM

You just wait missy... wait til your hands and feet are the size of watermelons, til every food you think of makes you want to hurl, til the weird twinges and complete inability to get comfortable prevent you from getting a single decent night's sleep...
ok yes I am a bit on the nutty side...but I'm a happy nut.

To love someone is to see a miracle invisible to others.
--Francois Mauriac
It's fuzzy-minded liberal thinking like that that gets you eaten.

FREELANCERTEX

Wednesday, March 18, 2009 3:38 AM

lol well as long as you're a happy nut and not a sad crazy nut :P

i know i know, i apparently gave my mother hell and i'm sure the same is wished on me when i finally have children XD

MSA

Wednesday, March 18, 2009 3:45 PM

LOl I'm just thrilled even if I have to be uncomfortable for the time being:)

Hey has anyone seen any good movies lately??

To love someone is to see a miracle invisible to others.
--Francois Mauriac
It's fuzzy-minded liberal thinking like that that gets you eaten.

NVGHOSTRIDER

Wednesday, March 18, 2009 4:13 PM

Time for a new thread.

Next thread:
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.asp?b=2&t=37371

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