The notion of patriotism

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ANTHONYT

Thursday, February 1, 2007 4:04 PM

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Anarchy sounds better and better every day...

But who will pick up the trash?

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Easy. You burn it in a big steel barrel in the back yard. And if you're like many people I know, you dump your used chemicals/auto oil onto that unwanted tree in the back yard.

Then when you take a long drink of tap water, you can enjoy the idea that every swallow is a gamble.

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

FREMDFIRMA

Thursday, February 1, 2007 4:57 PM

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But who will pick up the trash?

Great bit of empirical data for ya on that one.

I lived in a big city (Baltimore) ghetto without bottle return, and a very substantial percentage of the litter was empty beer and soda bottles, they were everywhere, piled up in the corners, strewn about the curbs, carpeting the alleys, and it really contributed to the grungy, trashed out look of the neighborhood.

Detroit has bottle return - wow, no empties littering the streets cause any wino can get his fix by pickin up fiften of em or so.

Solution: Make the trash WORTH SOMETHING, and it'll disappear right quick.

That's an easy one.

-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

FLETCH2

Thursday, February 1, 2007 5:38 PM

In Europe we take personal responsability for crossing the road and the driver has the responsability to be aware of his surroundings and responsive to pedestrians. Anyway this is an aside to the basic point I am making. the closer packed people are together the more individual rights get curtailed because of social impact. This I believe has impacts on social behavior that explain many of the political and cultural differences we see.

CITIZEN

Thursday, February 1, 2007 10:45 PM

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Originally posted by charliethebloody:
I don't understand patriotism, I've never really felt it and it freaks me out when I'm around it because it's often not just saying I like my country but rather my country is better or more deserving than others, and manifests in arrogance, aggression and at it's worst racism

Yeah, but we are better than the French.

More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.

ANTIMASON

Thursday, February 1, 2007 11:34 PM

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The Law is not a physical thing, nor is Respect of other people, neither can *physically* stop someone determined to defy either one -

i read that youre an anarchist..is that right? im only curious.. the drawback IMO seems to be that it lacks any spiritual or moral standards, or laws, which would substitute traditional government, and still allow the citizens of this utopia to self govern (without manifesting the immense negetive flaws of human nature). does Anarchism(?)have a spiritual message? id be curious to know what it is(i noticed the anarchist symbol is often referenced in occult iconography). i believe anarchy will only work when man is redeemed by God from his immortal, fallen state, and not until then; this is also why a one world government would become the final empire of man, because it would destroy everything in its wake, and assume absolute control over individual freedom and sovereignty

the Bible says that Israel(not modern day Israel, Gods followers) originally had no government- but demanded a King(ruler) like the 'other nations', the pagan nations which had been enslaved by the fallen angels(gods) and their occult practices. this has been the trend throughout history, using knowledge from the ancient world, passed down through secret societies and royal bloodlines, which the elite have used to enslave populaces from the beginning. i posted a quote from Samuel, where God warns what kings throughout history would do

1 Samuel 8:4-19

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So all the elders of Israel gathered together and came to Samuel at Ramah. they said to him, "You are old, and your sons do not walk in your ways; now appoint a king to lead us, such as all the other nations have."

But when they said, "give us a king to lead us", this displeased Samuel; so he prayed to the LORD. and the LORD told him: "Listen to all that the people are saying to you; it is not you they have rejected, but they have rejected ME(the LORD) as their king. As they have done from the day i brought them out of Egypt, until this day, forsaking me and serving other gods, so they are doing to you. Now listen to them; but warn them solemnly and let them know what the king who will reign over them will do."

Samuel told all the words of the Lord to the people who were asking him for a king. he said, "this is what the king who will reign over you will do; He will take your sons and make them serve with his chariots and horses, and they will run in front of his chariots. Some he will assign to be commanders of thousands and commanders of fifties, and others to plow his ground and reap his harvest, and still others to make weapons of war and equipment for his chariots. he will take your daugthers to be perfumers and cooks and bakers. he will take the best of your fields and vineyards and olive groves and give them to his attendants. he will take a tenth of your grain and of your vintage and give it to his officials and attendants. Your menservants and maidservants and the best of your cattle and donkeys he will take for his own. he will take a tenth of your flocks, and you yourselves will becomes HIS SLAVES.

when that day comes, you will cry out for relief from the king you have chosen, and the LORD will not answer you in that day.
But the people refused...

.. its some insight into the nature of government, from the beginning.. but heres another quote which sums up the point

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for our battle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, aginst the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms."

Ephesians 6:12-

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Frem-
the only real limit on human behavior is the person themself, and those limits are determined by a persons nature and ethics.

that may be true in seclusion, but socially, people believe so many things that what is a religious fundemental to one person, could be completely reletative or irrelevant to another. the way i look at it is, either you h

ANTHONYT

Friday, February 2, 2007 2:07 AM

Antimason,

I can tell you are a religious person, but I think you misunderstand the nature of the Biblical God.

There aren't any 'God given rights.'

Your only right is the right to do what God says or suffer horrible consequences.

A person of faith trusts that the omniscient Dictator, our God, knows what is best.

But no believer should feel 'free' to do what they please. Any freedoms a believer has are within a narrowly defined scope that can be amended at whim by the desires of the Creator.

We serve because we believe Father knows best. We beg for forgiveness when we go astray. We seek an approving nod and the warmth of His love.

But while we are Free of will, we believe that our actions can have dire consequences if they go against His will.

Worship of the Biblical God is a surrender of oneself to willing slavery, an acknowledgement that our own capacity for reason is so flawed that we should sublimate our Will and our Desires to the Father.

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

ANTIMASON

Friday, February 2, 2007 3:05 AM

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Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Antimason,

I can tell you are a religious person, but I think you misunderstand the nature of the Biblical God.

im sorry, but you misunderstand the nature of God

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There aren't any 'God given rights.'

well first id like to know your worldview.. are you an athiest? if you believe we evolved from nothing, then we are entitled to nothing, are subject to our environment, with the golden rule of 'survival of the fittest'. the God of the bible says that all men are createdly equally. if God does not exist, then empirical human rights do not exist, and morality is relative to the individual. if im a slave to morality, then you are a slave to men, and the descretion of their own satanic consciences

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Worship of the Biblical God is a surrender of oneself to willing slavery, an acknowledgement that our own capacity for reason is so flawed that we should sublimate our Will and our Desires to the Father.

thats what Marx said too.. do you want to go down that path? without God, the state grants you your rights.. this is why they chose athiesm, because it benefitted their communist system. what youre saying is knowledge and reason should dictate morality, but there are no distinct principles to structure people, so the majority decision becomes rule, whether its ethical, irrational, or purely emotional. without a GOd, you can only be a slave to the state, which is as imperfect as man, and are not truly sovereign and free but merely *temporarly privelaged

ANTHONYT

Friday, February 2, 2007 5:38 AM

Antimason,

You've made some staggeringly flawed deductions.

I believe in God. And everything I said about the Biblical God is true.

And since you've not really refuted my statements, but argued against atheism, I see that you understand and agree.

To worship God, to follow God, is to sublimate your desires, your actions, and your life, to serve His Will.

Willfull Slavery, trusting in the superior Father to guide us to a better destiny than we ourselves are capable of.

Or do you disagree on any particular point?

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

ANTIMASON

Friday, February 2, 2007 6:17 AM

you did say that there were 'no God given rights', which i disagreed with; i think the absense of God is the absense of rights

6IXSTRINGJACK

Friday, February 2, 2007 7:02 AM

Hey Khyron.

I normally don't do this, but all I have to say is FUCK YOU.

"A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned." http://www.myspace.com/6ixstringjack

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