The notion of patriotism
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Most patriotic I ever felt in my life was during the President's speech.....in Independence Day. 
No, REALLY Chrisisall
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Fake Presidents are always better than the real thing and he had nicer hair.
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Harrison Ford was a GREAT President!
A guy always knew where he stood with him Chrisisall
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Bill Pullman was the greatest fake president in the history of fake presidents. I would so vote for him in a fake election, especially if aliens were going to attack.
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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if we remove nationalism, we then get small elements of society(the elite) micromanaging our lives from some remote location, too far removed to be empathetic of ones social/geographical circumstances
And this would effect any *noticeable* change from our current situation exactly... how ?
As far as "Best Fake President" goes, imma go with Bulworth.
-Frem
It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it
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And this would effect any *noticeable* change from our current situation exactly... how ?
well.. the opposite of a global centralized authority(government) would be complete individual freedom; but since that is impossible in this age, the next best thing is local/state/federal sovereignty(to give communities control of their destinies). since these 'old world' practices are being deliberately phased out in the interest of the 'new world order', naturally resisting this trend creates opposition to the type of social micromanagement that we're talking about
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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Most patriotic I ever felt in my life was during the President's speech.....in Independence Day.
No, REALLY Chrisisall
I'd have to agree.
"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."
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The only way to achieve "personal freedom" is to not associate with other people. The moment you have to take account of other people's opinions and rights your freedom is impinged. The more people that are involved the worse it gets. AntiMason, there is a shack in Montana with your name on it, all the personal freedom you could ever need.
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The only way to achieve "personal freedom" is to not associate with other people. The moment you have to take account of other people's opinions and rights your freedom is impinged. The more people that are involved the worse it gets.
i agree.. conceptually. the problem, speaking as a christian, is that in this age, man is incapabable of being free without 'imping'ing on others freedoms; we're not animals in harmony with an ecosystem, but fallen, conscious beings with material desires. the bible says that it was against Gods will that man created government- because since government would have the same imperfect frailties as man, it would become inherintly power hungery and tyrannical. my point about national sovereinty is, a global government sounds good, on paper, no bounderies, no racism, one currency.. we're all one people, so it makes sense; accept when the control is handed to this one authority, it will epitomize all that is horrible about man, and have subsequently removed any recourse or alternative path in its creation. if we must have government, its got to be limited to almost non existence
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That's a mutant strawman/ad-hominem hybrid, good grief, did the landers eat all your humans or what ?
The path to personal freedom is the simple act of taking it, and being willing to deal with the consequences of doing so.
The Law is not a physical thing, nor is Respect of other people, neither can *physically* stop someone determined to defy either one - the only real limit on human behavior is the person themself, and those limits are determined by a persons nature and ethics.
Example: if you WANT to cross a busy street in the middle instead of using the crosswalk, there's no physical force to stop you from doing so.
Sure, you could get hit by a car, you could get ticketed for jaywalking, but if you wish to do it in spite of those risks, there's nothing stopping you but your own good sense, something admittedly in short supply these days.
Laws, Rules and Regulations are not magical forces, they cannot be depended on to actively protect you, nor can they be depended on to actively defy you if you wish to ignore them.
Something to think about, is all.
-Frem
It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it
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