The notion of patriotism

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Care to elaborate?

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The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter.

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Okay. I think I would.

Minus any biblical references and mentions of God, because I am undecided on these issues and it would be hypocritical of me to mention them, I happen to think very much along the lines of Antimason, and minus complete Anarchy, because sadly I don't believe that it would work, I happen to agree with Frem as well.

The fuck you was because you seem very much in favor of a one world, centralized system of government and I don't want any part of it. This is the centralizied system that is dictating to me what is healthy and what is not healthy and has decided that it should cost me $7.00 for a pack of cigarettes and then wants to try to tell me that I cannot smoke them unless I'm in a sealed and filtered closet in my own damn home.

This concept was why I love the show Firefly so much, and even some parts of that movie. While the government wants to kick your face into submission until you admit that everything they say is right and good for you, A lot of people just want to be left alone and don't want to be a part of that larger group.

If you read any of my posts, you might suspect that I am an anarchist myself. I have been inappropriately labeled one before. (No offence Frem, I'm not saying it's a bad thing. I like anarchists) I certainly have no love for our government or this bullshit war we're in. As I have said before though, I believe there is a very distinct difference between patriotism and love for one's government and standing behind their decisions.

I love John Lennon's song Imagine. It would be great if everyone in the world could just join hands and sing "It's a Small World", but that's just not how it would work.

We already have too much Government here in this country. I'm all for small, localized governments. State and county and city. This way, if citizens from city or county A decide that they don't want smoking, there is always the option for people who enjoy smoking to move to city or county B, or at least visit there when they want to go to the pub. What our bullshit, Federalized government has done, along with the media and, more importantly, the interactivity of the internet is that they have begun the process of systematically eliminating your ability to do this anywhere. They aren't stupid.... they won't come out on a Federal level and illegalize cigarettes like they did with marajuana because there are enough of us who would be outraged at such a severe Federal mandate.

This doesn't only go for smoking. They put mandates on all businesses and do not allow them to run as they see fit. They have banned Trans Fats. They take 25% of our income every year (without adding the other 25% that's taken for other various taxes). Then they never spend it on what you would want it to be spent on.

The Bible did bring up this eventuality when it was written however long ago. Whether it really is the voice of God or just some really inventive men, there is no denying the ability for someone all the way back when to determine that if mankind were ever to unite as one whole, then the absolute worst of humanity would be what it embodied. Of course there will be some good there, but it will always be overshadowed by the collective evil of man.

I consider myself a patriot in the true sense of the word. I think your definition of patriot is much different than mine is. It seems to me that you believe that patriotism is the attitude of "right or wrong my country". That's bullshit. I'm always hearing that shit from somebody who works with me and was in the Army. He keeps telling me "yeah, whatever anarchist. Who's going to pick up your trash?" Patriotism is ideals which happen to mean a lot to me. Patriotism is not at all what our government is about, and that is not due to the current administration. That is do the the centralization of Government and would only be exponentialized with the lowering of boundaries and the centralization of world government.

The government would probably have you believe that I was guilty of trea

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Oh, sorry about the misunderstanding, I definitely do NOT propose one world government. I wasn't questioning the fact that we have countries, I was questioning the fact that we're expected to unconditionally love our home countries.

I don't have the time now, so I'll give a more detailed response to your post later.

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Sorry about the Fuck You...... That was very out of character of me

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Apology accepted. Yes it was out of character.

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The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter.

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Originally posted by Khyron:
Apology accepted. Yes it was out of character.

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I'm glad. I look forward to your detailed response.

"A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned." http://www.myspace.com/6ixstringjack

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Response to AntiMason

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i read that youre an anarchist..is that right? im only curious.. the drawback IMO seems to be that it lacks any spiritual or moral standards, or laws, which would substitute traditional government

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I wouldn't say that, as most folk have their own moral standards, admittedly different from each other, sure - but some things are pretty universal, among them treat other people decent.

Converse of this, and to think about, is that there is also no law PROTECTING folk who mistreat fellow folk, either - which tends to lead to rapid self-enforcement.

Consider how many people have done ill unto you because the law can be manipulated to defend them from the consequences, and consider the effects of the removal of that barrier.

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does Anarchism(?)have a spiritual message? id be curious to know what it is(i noticed the anarchist symbol is often referenced in occult iconography)

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"Officially" no, lol... mainly cause there's no such thing as an "Official" position for a concept that's based on the LACK of such things.

As a general assessment, I would have to say most Anarchistic types tend to favor a Taoist or Diest viewpoint, with a hefty helping of Atheist and Agnostic folk - my own beliefs are Malthetistic in nature and unusual, in that I am actively antagonistic towards the Christian belief, especially when it's pushed at me.

Don't take that wrong mind you, what you believe matters not one whit to me, but what you DO matters a hell of a lot, and the bulk of Christianity is antagonistic towards my own beliefs as a general rule you see.. if left alone, I leave alone.

As far as nonviolence goes, a great part of Anarchic types are pacifists, I am NOT one of them for the reason that it's against my nature and principles, and when it comes to a crunch I won't defend a pacifist from imminent harm, they understand that.

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that may be true in seclusion, but socially, people believe so many things that what is a religious fundemental to one person, could be completely reletative or irrelevant to another.

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So ?
What's inherently WRONG with that ?
I respect folks beliefs long as they don't step on mine, and I don't go steppin on other folks beliefs whether I agree with em or not.

As far as man-given rights/god-given rights and religiousity, it's neither my concern nor interest - the entirety of any form of ethics is humanly created and thus fallible, and the philosophy behind it isn't worth my time beyond the concept of not harming others for personal gain.

Response to Jack

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I have been inappropriately labeled one before. (No offence Frem, I'm not saying it's a bad thing. I like anarchists)

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None taken, that's the literal beauty of Anarchy, no concensus is REQUIRED - you want something done, you go do it, and if it's too big for you, get some likeminded folk to do it, or trade with them, or what have you.
And if someone asks you to assist on something that you disagree about, you just shrug and say no and they ask someone else.

As I've said before, human social nature is hardwired to helping other folk in all but a small percentage of folks who are to one degree or another... "broken", and many of them will STILL work with you for reasons of their own beyond even that hardwiring.

Experiment: Pick some passerby at work who you do not know or at least do not know well and ask them to hand you something - what is their first, basic REFLEX reaction ?
"Sure, here."

Most arguments for human nature being vile come from religions that distort or suppress the humanity of people in various ways, sexual, moral, etc - and wind up with twisted and distorted people, it's not the nature of humanity, it is the denial of humanity that creates the distortion, to deny and defy what we are makes us less than what we could be.

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