The notion of patriotism
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i cant debate you guys.. you want me to prove the existence of God, im sorry, i cant do it. i guess im ignorant of your enlightened ways...
Citizen- i disagree, socialism is not good. also, that quote from Lenin, which said that religion is fine 'so long as its seperate from the state', would work, except that it seems to ignore the consistant historical facts, like the rest of you on this site, which is that religious secret societies have operated above and in control of western governments for the past few centuries(at the least), and still to this day. Albert Pike, one of the legends of Masonry, admitted that they worshipped the 'seething energies of Lucifer'... so believe it or not this influence is not christian. there are loads of occult symbolism in America, in London, France, Germany, Israel and even parts of the middle east too.. where freemasonry was also prevelant at times. i cant overstate the significance of this any more... if there werent luciferian societies attempting a new world order, id have less tangeable evidence as 'proof' of my biblical conspiracy
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Quote:This is a little misleading--which is pretty much par for the course, I find, when "patriotism" is invoked. I think what properly differentiates Patriotism from Love is more telling about its nature than its similarities to Love. Because the love the patriot expresses for his country and people is highly exclusive. Furthermore, patriotic love is almost always coupled with patriotic hate for an enemy.
Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Patriotism IS love. It is love for your country and the people in it.
Quote:To me it's sad to think that simple compassion is limited in this way for some people. It's gorram tragic, when you get right down to it. That so many folks would not feel outrage and sorrow when any well-intentioned person dies at the hands of another, particularly a soldier in any army, because such brave souls join up out of precisely the kind of love for country and people that Anthony is so proud of in himself.
It is what causes you to feel outrage and sorrow when our soldiers die.
Quote:Jesus, really? Is compassion so rare among humans that we need a nationalistic excuse to give a damn?
It is what causes you to feel charitable when New Orleans is flattened by Hurricane and Flood.
Quote:And here, patriotism is not so much a kind of love, as a kind of embarrassment? Last I checked this was a representative democracy, so naturally I feel bad when we screw up. If we haven't screwed up and others want to see my country "in a negative light" that's their problem.
It is what makes you care when decisions are made which cause others to view your nation in a negative light.
Quote:Who needs patriotism when simple sanity will suffice?
It is what makes you vote for initiatives that you think will benefit the nation, and against initiatives that you feel will harm it.
Quote:How far outside my personal sphere do I get to go before I interfere with my patriotic xenophobia?
Patriotism is what makes you care about things outside your personal sphere.
Quote:Good Christ, is that all it would take? Ditch patriotism and there would be no more demonization of other peoples? Where do I sign?
Without patriotism, there would be no 'Us' and 'Them.'
Quote:I guess so, seeing as you've never felt empathy or compassion for anyone ever. Oh, wait, I'm sure you have, so this is all...what then?
It would be just 'Me' and 'Everyone Else.' And that's not an improvement.
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Patriotism is just another sphere of love. You love your family. You love your friends. You love your neighborhood. You love your City, your State, your Country.
And if the arguments over Global Warming are anything to go by, you love your World.
Patriotism is a circle of love bigger than family, but smaller than the planet.
I know this was just meant as some kind of rousing speech, Anthony, but it's really kind of creepy when you examine it closely. That's been my experience of patriotism at all times, when you look really close at the thing it's pretty creepy--not in principle so much as in execution. Because the stuff you site as patriotism, the kind of thing people get all misty eyed over, denies the hatred and the violence and the brutality which is never too far away.
If patriotism were simply a kind of love, then the only thing that would be un-patriotic would be hate, and we all KNOW that that absolutely ain't the case with patriotism.
The kind of patriotism you're talking about, Anthony, just makes hating and killing "the enemy" a little easier to accept. Fill our young soldiers heads' with patiotism so they'll sleep easier at night when we send them around the world to do our dirty work. Fill your own head with patriotism when they die and maybe you'll sleep a little easier, too.
HKCavalier
Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.
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