Cinema

***** Sound of Freedom

POSTED BY: JEWELSTAITEFAN
UPDATED: Tuesday, January 23, 2024 03:13
VIEWED: 17421
PAGE 39 of 47

Wednesday, September 27, 2023 9:48 PM

So far today, nothing has changed at BOM.
The Numbers has added Russia figures from the weekend, but - again - not a single digit has changed in the "rest of the world" or "total" fields.

For Mexico, both sites display the same amount of data, although the digits are different.
At BOM, the Russia data looks the same. But Bruce has more data fields fleshed out for Russia.
I filled out the Russia figures in my table using BOM and conjuring that the fields would populate, flesh out. BOM is my stated default source. But BOM does not provide full data for Australia, so Bruce is the source I use there.
I will switch my data source for Russia to The Numbers. The numerical difference will be small, but the amount of data greater. I will change the current and future posts, but not past posts.


For UAE, the weeks of data are restored now. But it had been deleted, showing "no data to display" like the 14 Latino countries do. I had not seen this happen before, and it was alarming. So I triple checked, going into the page several times to confirm what I was seeing. Somebody must have been tinkering, because it all seems to be restored now - have not checked if it got corrupted.

NOTIFY: Y  | REPLY  | REPLY WITH QUOTE  | PERMALINK  | TOP  | HOME

Wednesday, September 27, 2023 10:08 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
So far today, nothing has changed at BOM.
The Numbers has added Russia figures from the weekend, but - again - not a single digit has changed in the "rest of the world" or "total" fields.



It's the "International Total" field that remains unchanged through all these updates.

The "Rest of World" field changes all the time. That's where he's digging the money out of so the International Total never goes up, and why I asked WTF he was doing.

This morning, "Rest of World" reads $9,783,953.

Last night, "Rest of World" read $9,904,630. https://archive.ph/CwvL3

On 09/17, "Rest of World" read $14,804,652. https://archive.ph/PUnBM

Throughout all these changes, the "International Total" has remained $27,565,724.


As I stated on the 25th:

Quote:

None of the numbers for the 16 Latin America countries on BOM have gone up since the archive I took on the 22nd here: https://archive.ph/URMtg

If you don't include Mexico's $7,477,850 they have on record, the rest of those 15 countries added up to $12,384,396.

Bruce's current "Rest of World" is now $2,479,766 less than that combined total, with no country-specific spots on his table for any of them.

Up until now, the-numbers and BOM were reasonably close to each other for the international totals, with BOM pulling away by close to $1.8 Million being only a recent event.



To date, none of these Latin American numbers, excluding Mexico, have gone up at BOM since I made that statement on the 25th.

And in that same time period, the difference between BOM's international total and the-numbers international total has ballooned to $5,222,537.

With this morning's update, Bruce's current "Rest of World" field is now $2,600,443 less than BOM's total for the 15 Latin American countries they have up, excluding Mexico.

When he first added all that extra money, it was expected that this was all from Latin America and he just hadn't divvied it up yet. But when any international update happens on his page in the last several weeks, it comes out of that "Rest of World" total, now to the point where it comes nowhere close to covering the actual Latin America money dating back weeks ago as reported by BOM, when Bruce concurrently added all that extra money.

--------------------------------------------------

Political correctness is just tyranny, with a smiley face.

NOTIFY: Y  | REPLY  | REPLY WITH QUOTE  | PERMALINK  | TOP  | HOME

Thursday, September 28, 2023 1:31 AM

Yanno... I almost wonder if not reporting Domestic box office numbers is a strategic move on Angel Studio's part at this point.

It was clear after September 12th that the next weekend was going to be the first where it didn't make $100k per day (possibly not even on Saturday), and the following week was going to see the embarrassing type numbers that Disney movies get later in their runs long after they've overstayed their welcome.

With the Lefty shill media out in full force against this movie all over the world, why give the talentless hacks that will be replaced with AI soon a chance to talk about how little money Sound of Freedom was making in the states? You know how they can manipulate people with headlines. I could just see them now...

"Alt-Right QAnon Sound of Freedom falters and is rejected by Americans" or "How the Mighty Have Fallen: After Trump Endorses QAnon Conspiracy Theory movie, Americans Reject it Outright" or some such bullshit, citing the fact that it would have only made about $10k on Cheap Seat Tuesday yesterday.

I still don't understand why we haven't gotten opening weekend Brazil numbers yet though.




Although, I do see the following out there for Brazil now...

https://www.reddit.com/r/boxoffice/comments/16so39x/brazil_weekend_21_
24_september_sound_of_freedom
/

https://forums.boxofficetheory.com/topic/3046-brazil-box-office-thread
/page/1138/#comment-4592590


It looks as though Sound of Freedom was #1 in Brazil with a weekend box office total of $5,762,000.

I've said earlier this month I expect SoF to do $10 to $20 Million or more in Brazil and that I thought it would end up being SoF's biggest market outside of the US. If nearly $6 Million on opening weekend were true, both of those have already easily come true with a likely box office just north of $12 Million in Brazil after the 2nd weekend.

The guy who posted this on Reddit's "Box Office Theory" is supposedly from Brazil, and mentions that next weekend is Cinema Week there. I wonder how that would effect the numbers.

--------------------------------------------------

Political correctness is just tyranny, with a smiley face.

NOTIFY: Y  | REPLY  | REPLY WITH QUOTE  | PERMALINK  | TOP  | HOME

Thursday, September 28, 2023 2:31 AM

On September 22nd I made a post breaking down the Latin American countries and came up with a "missing" and "weekend" total of where I thought SoF would be at after Sunday worldwide:

Quote:

So with what I feel are my VERY CONSERVATIVE estimates that don't even include two countries we know it has been playing in for the last month, that's another additional $10.7 Million that should be grossed Internationally up through this weekend that remains unreported on BOM along with the paltry $80k or so it might make Domestic for SoF.

That would be $10.8M more for SoF and $1.7M for TTM on the (Theoretical) chart for Thursday above and we'd have the following...

TOTAL TTM: $ 71,215,076
TOTAL SoF: $223,629,390

Weekend (Theoretical) Post-International Numbers:

1. Talk to Me - 1,578% ()
2. Sound of Freedom - 1,545% ()
3. M3GAN - 1,508% [FINAL]
4. Super Mario Bros - 1,360% [FINAL]
5. Insidious: The Red Door - 1,163% [FINAL]

SoF needs 34% to beat Talk To Me. (About $5 Million)



Now... This $10.8 Million only included an EXTREMELY conservative $2.2 Million opening in Brazil that I just threw out there because that's what Blue Beetle got, even though I said several times I think it would do MUCH better than that.

So that's an extra $3,562,000 on my prediction.

I also gave what I said was an EXTREMELY conservative 50% drop off in every Latin American country to build to that $10.8 Million figure, even though we knew that Columbia's dropoff was only 30.9% and it's since come out that Mexico made another $3,400,016 in the last two weeks (Up through Sunday). Given that it had $7,477,850 on the weekend ending the 10th, we can make an educated guess that there was around a 43% drop in Mexico if there were an even split both weeks (Week 4: $2,186,986 + Week 5: $1,246,582 would equal $3,433,568, which is just $33,552 above reality).

So if we disregard the 30.9% known drop in Columbia and just give the Latin American countries in that post a 43% drop instead of a 50% drop, that's an additional...

$10,609,008 (estimated 2nd week total of Latin American Countries)
Week 3: $10,609,008 * .57 = $6,047,134
Week 4: $6,047,134 * .57 = $3,446,867


That would be $9,494,001 from Latin America if we got all 16 of them up-to-date on BOM, instead of the $7,956,756 figured on 50% drops...

or an extra $1,537,245 on my prediction.


I said "just add half a million for all the other countries". That was another conservative lowball guess that probably isn't true, but we don't have enough data yet to know otherwise. The unexpected $90k or so from Poland helps.

So... Internationally, the additions would now be at least $15,756,001 with Brazil's $5.76 Million and the Latin American countries given a .57 weekly multiplier over a .50 multiplier.

Add in all the missing Domestic days through Sunday at .55% drop every day from the previous week for another $407,561, and a total of $16,163,562 new, unreported money from the $212,829,390 we had on the 22nd if you added The-Numbers Domestic with BOM's International and you now have $228,992,952.


And what did I say at the end of the post in the wee hours of the morning on Friday, September 22nd?

Quote:

Though probably not likely, there is a small chance that at the end of this weekend with Brazil's opening weekend included, SoF could get the $17 Million that it needed if Bruce were to update absolutely everything as of Sunday night.


Well... $16.16M is not quite $17 Million, but it turns out that it wasn't necessary with rounding (and my shot from the hip number) anyhow. We've got our $229 Million here right now, or 1,579% over Production Budget, which is enough to put SoF 1% in front of Talk To Me, with quite a bit of gas left in the tank in Latin America, specifically Brazil. And we know there are still at least 2 more countries that haven't been reported at BOM in Latin America that need to be counted.

Of course... We don't hav

NOTIFY: Y  | REPLY  | REPLY WITH QUOTE  | PERMALINK  | TOP  | HOME

Thursday, September 28, 2023 5:01 AM

BOM Update:

International total now $33,758,985, up from $32,788,261 yesterday. This is $970,724 more than yesterday.

BOM is also now showing $6,193,261 more than Bruce is for International Total.

09/27 archive: https://archive.ph/mrIBx

Breakdown:

Poland added $169,893; $252,850 total. (+4.7% from last weekend)

Slovenia added $13,597; $59,954 total. (+18.4% from last weekend)

United Kingdom added $245,295; $2,459,814 total. (-49.7% from last weekend)

Columbia added $541,939; $4,013,753 total. (-40.8% from last weekend)


Quote:

I said "just add half a million for all the other countries". That was another conservative lowball guess that probably isn't true, but we don't have enough data yet to know otherwise. The unexpected $90k or so from Poland helps.


Not including Columbia because that's in the Latin America count, the new money from just those three other countries including ALL the money from Poland that came in after I said this equals $511,742 already. I probably low-balled "all the other countries" by at least a few million.

Chances are, we're actually already looking at about $231 to $232 Million as of Sunday the 24th. Who knows when the hell the bean counters are going to get off their asses so we can get confirmation on that though.

If I'm right, SoF has already made 1,600% to 1,607% of its Production Budget back worldwide now, and we've already hit the absolute floor that I predicted for SoF all the way back on September 12th when I said:

Quote:

Sound of Freedom is now a $230 Million movie. That's the absolute bottom going forward. This will put it up close to 1,600% with the $14.5 Million budget figure. If it somehow manages $240 Million, that would be over 1650%.


I now believe that 1,650% isn't only a possibility, but I'd be shocked if it didn't make at least $240 Million in the end.

By September 14th I had said $230 Million to $250 Million. That's still my range until more data comes in, but this could possibly even break $250 Million depending on how the Brazil drops come. If it really did make nearly $5.8 Million on opening weekend, it could have made another $7.5 Million alone the following week when next week's Brazil numbers come in, which alone would now get it up close to or beyond $240 Million.

--------------------------------------------------

Political correctness is just tyranny, with a smiley face.

NOTIFY: Y  | REPLY  | REPLY WITH QUOTE  | PERMALINK  | TOP  | HOME

Thursday, September 28, 2023 5:48 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
So far today, nothing has changed at BOM.
The Numbers has added Russia figures from the weekend, but - again - not a single digit has changed in the "rest of the world" or "total" fields.

It's the "International Total" field that remains unchanged through all these updates.

The "Rest of World" field changes all the time. That's where he's digging the money out of so the International Total never goes up, and why I asked WTF he was doing.

This morning, "Rest of World" reads $9,783,953.

Last night, "Rest of World" read $9,904,630. https://archive.ph/CwvL3

On 09/17, "Rest of World" read $14,804,652. https://archive.ph/PUnBM

Throughout all these changes, the "International Total" has remained $27,565,724.


As I stated on the 25th:
Quote:

None of the numbers for the 16 Latin America countries on BOM have gone up since the archive I took on the 22nd here: https://archive.ph/URMtg

If you don't include Mexico's $7,477,850 they have on record, the rest of those 15 countries added up to $12,384,396.

Bruce's current "Rest of World" is now $2,479,766 less than that combined total, with no country-specific spots on his table for any of them.

Up until now, the-numbers and BOM were reasonably close to each other for the international totals, with BOM pulling away by close to $1.8 Million being only a recent event.

To date, none of these Latin American numbers, excluding Mexico, have gone up at BOM since I made that statement on the 25th.

And in that same time period, the difference between BOM's international total and the-numbers international total has ballooned to $5,222,537.

Not quite.
When I posted that, the "rest of the world" was still at the 9.904M figure, which was after the Russia update was there. You looked at it after that.



At BOM today, updates from Poland, Slovenia, UK, and Colombia.

Slovenia and Poland each had more Box Office for this weekend than for last. And ditto for $ per theater for weekend. In fact, Poland had it's first weekdays in release, but that Box Office beat Opening Weekend, so I will be green-coding that figure as well, for the first time I've done.
Also, UK had, for the 3rd straight week, higher Box office for weekdays than for weekend. Although, unlike the others mentioned, UK has fewer theaters on the weekend than the preceding weekdays.

NOTIFY: Y  | REPLY  | REPLY WITH QUOTE  | PERMALINK  | TOP  | HOME

Thursday, September 28, 2023 6:28 AM


Updating:

Sound of Freedom International Box Office.


I think I need to start a new table for this. Data is hard to come by, is not transparent, and seems to fluctuate a bunch. I will need to use Box Office Mojo for source data, and work from there. If other data becomes available, I will try to reconcile that.

Legend:
Each nation's entry is comprised of 2 lines.
In the first Identifier places, the order is by the stated Release Date. Next is the Country Abbreviation.
In the line below that, the Maximum number of theaters I could find for a film in that country. Then the day which they start their weekend, according to their Box Office Results. This is either Thursday or Friday.
The remainder of the columns have weekday figures in the top line, and weekend figures in the 2nd line, plus the subtotals.
The column labeled Date Range has the range of dates for those figures.
Next column is Box Office for those dates.
Next is the Rank of that Box Office figure.
Next is Theater Count.
Next is $ per Theater Average.
Next is the Rank of the $ per Theater figure.
Next is the Total, for weekdays only.
Next is the 7 Day Totals, which is both lines added together.
Next is the Rank of that 7 Day Total Box Office (when available, or calculated).
Next is the Cumulative Total for that Country.

Then are selected figures from the Prior week, to reference for comparison.

Data is culled from Box Office Mojo. Countries with Asterisks are using data from The Numbers - mostly because that data is not available on BOM.

Fields highlighted green are values greater than the prior week. Box Office, rank, theater count, $ per theater, rank, weekly total or subtotal.
Figures highlighted red are intended to be placeholders for fields which are waiting for updated or current data.






Week of 4-10 September:

Nation0 DateRng _____________________This Week______________________ ___________Last Week___________
Rel Thtr Weekdy BoxOffc Rk Thtr $ per Rnk Total 0 7 Day Rnk Cummultv BoxOffc Rk Thtr 7 Day Cummultiv
Dte Cont Weeknd00000000000 Cnt Theatr0000Weekday SbTotal0000Total BO00000000000 Cnt SbTotal0Total BO

18A Icel 4 -7 S00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 $10,440 __ 0 6
000014/F 8 -10S000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000$ 57,465 $ 7,039 #7 0 3 $17,479 $ 57,465
17A UAE- 4 -6 S00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 $53,592 __ 019
000200/T 7 -10S0000000000000000000000000000000000111,421 __ $599,290 113,996 #7 018 167,588 $487,869
18A SAfr 4 -7 S $ 8,786 __ 062 $0 142 __ $ 8,78600000000000000000000 $30,485 __ 064
000117/F 8 -10S $21,650 #5 053 $0 408 #5000000000$30,436 __ $297,538 $41,930 #3 062 $72,415 $267,102
18A Lith 4 -7 S00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 $ 3,491 __ 013
000177/F 8 -10S000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000$ 30,809 $ 7,822 #9 018

NOTIFY: Y  | REPLY  | REPLY WITH QUOTE  | PERMALINK  | TOP  | HOME

Thursday, September 28, 2023 8:32 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
So far today, nothing has changed at BOM.
The Numbers has added Russia figures from the weekend, but - again - not a single digit has changed in the "rest of the world" or "total" fields.

It's the "International Total" field that remains unchanged through all these updates.

The "Rest of World" field changes all the time. That's where he's digging the money out of so the International Total never goes up, and why I asked WTF he was doing.

This morning, "Rest of World" reads $9,783,953.

Last night, "Rest of World" read $9,904,630. https://archive.ph/CwvL3

On 09/17, "Rest of World" read $14,804,652. https://archive.ph/PUnBM

Throughout all these changes, the "International Total" has remained $27,565,724.


As I stated on the 25th:
Quote:

None of the numbers for the 16 Latin America countries on BOM have gone up since the archive I took on the 22nd here: https://archive.ph/URMtg

If you don't include Mexico's $7,477,850 they have on record, the rest of those 15 countries added up to $12,384,396.

Bruce's current "Rest of World" is now $2,479,766 less than that combined total, with no country-specific spots on his table for any of them.

Up until now, the-numbers and BOM were reasonably close to each other for the international totals, with BOM pulling away by close to $1.8 Million being only a recent event.

To date, none of these Latin American numbers, excluding Mexico, have gone up at BOM since I made that statement on the 25th.

And in that same time period, the difference between BOM's international total and the-numbers international total has ballooned to $5,222,537.

Not quite.
When I posted that, the "rest of the world" was still at the 9.904M figure, which was after the Russia update was there. You looked at it after that.



That's not an argument to my point. My first archive was FAR before you posted that.

The "Rest of World" has changed very much since the initial huge International update Bruce put on the site. Always going down and being subtracted by the amount he's adding when he puts in a new country or updates an existing country. The International Total hasn't changed at all was my point, when it should be going up every time if it is new money.

You said neither of them have changed. I have around 5 archives of Bruce's international tab on file now for you to peruse. You don't even need to find all my links. Just use one of them and you can navigate to the previous and the next archive by clicking on the previous and next links at the top of the page.

--------------------------------------------------

Political correctness is just tyranny, with a smiley face.

NOTIFY: Y  | REPLY  | REPLY WITH QUOTE  | PERMALINK  | TOP  | HOME

Thursday, September 28, 2023 8:42 AM

I posted that the Russia figures were posted, while not a single digit of the rotw or total had changed. That was an accurate observation and statement.
Those 3 data points conflict with each other. I have seen that happen numerous times.
I was pointing that out, mostly for your benefit, since I doubt many others care about it.

If you need a list of data from different dates, I can provide such. However, the time stamps, which seem to be critical, I might not have recorded.

NOTIFY: Y  | REPLY  | REPLY WITH QUOTE  | PERMALINK  | TOP  | HOME

Thursday, September 28, 2023 9:01 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
I posted that the Russia figures were posted, while not a single digit of the rotw or total had changed. That was an accurate observation and statement.
Those 3 data points conflict with each other. I have seen that happen numerous times.
I was pointing that out, mostly for your benefit, since I doubt many others care about it.

If you need a list of data from different dates, I can provide such. However, the time stamps, which seem to be critical, I might not have recorded.




Oh. So you're saying that in that specific moment, the extra money was added to Russia but had not been taken out of the "Rest of World" total right away, and it was only later when I looked at it that the "Rest of World" had been subtracted from then?

I could see that happening... sure. BOM still didn't add the extra $3M+ to Mexico on the main page even though it's there when you look at Mexico specifically.


Really weird though...

Sometimes it comes off like Bruce does a TON of this shit by hand like I'm forced to do when making my lists by hand on this ancient Web 1.0 fansite. I might have more automation on my alternative tables than he does.

To this day, Bruce still doesn't have M3GAN listed on the Top 100 Worldwide list. It should be #29, just below Insidious: The Red Door. The fact that M3GAN is missing from that list makes me think that the process of procuring and cataloging his data for that list is manual. And if that one list is a manual process, how much of that website is he doing by hand every day? The dude must never get a break from sitting at his computer desk.

--------------------------------------------------

Political correctness is just tyranny, with a smiley face.

NOTIFY: Y  | REPLY  | REPLY WITH QUOTE  | PERMALINK  | TOP  | HOME