new deadly human-to-human-transmissible coronavirus emerges out of China
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South Korea has done really well with a social campaign of mask-wearing (and also, mass testing, contact tracing, MANDATORY police-enforced quarantine of anyone testing positive, and border control; plus the fact that half of SK's cases were highly concentrated in a single Church). But SK has a strong culture of social cooperation. In one of the many links I have is a story about how an old, unmasked man was coughing on a bus, and the frowns directed at him made him so uncomfortable he got off.
Just like the US isn't like Sweden, the US isn't like SK either. OTOH the US isn't like the US as well! Boise, Idaho is nothing like Baltimore, Maryland. Nome, Alaska couldn't be more different from New York, New York. So maybe there needs to be some nuance in response. I can see where places with a lot of naturally inbuilt social isolation could get a lot of mileage out of 'encouraged' mask-wearing. But in other places I can see where that would be appallingly insufficient, given how many people are in contact with each other in the course of a normal day, and how many people are actively opposed to anything other than rugged individualism and opposed to any type of authority.
I also don't think it works without mass testing, contact-tracing, and quarantining.
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Originally posted by 1KIKI:Quote:Your numbers are off.
JACK:
Models showing that 50 to 80 times as many people are infected than we know about (and I'm not providing a link for that since YOU AND KIKI posted those already, and you know exactly what I'm talking about) show a much higher number of those infected.
I've already disproved the 4% figure for anywhere but Santa Clara and Los Angeles counties (where the 4% numbers were generated) because when applied to California as a whole, and using that factor to apply to NYC, they give an infection rate of 150%. Even taking 2 random counties in California and applying that figure across the state gives a bogus factor. Applying the LACounty 4% infection rate to LACounty alone, them back-calculating to NYC gives an infection rate of 50%, which is better than 150%, but over twice the current measurement of 20%.
OBVIOUSLY you can't take a percent from one population and apply it to another, because you know those populations differ in terms of exposure. Nome Alaska is not Long Beach, California.
Your assumptions are invalid.
No. You're wrong.
I already did the math for NYC.
At 80 times it's a bit higher than 100%
At 50 times it's 67%.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Originally posted by captaincrunch:
BTW 41 grocery store workers have died from c-19.
No they didn't.
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Hey Jack - at what age can we write someone off as, "they were going to die anyway?" Anyone 70+? 80+? 85? Who gets to make that call?
It depends on how fat and stupid they are.
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Quote:NYC infection rate MEASUREMENTS show that you're wrong. NYC MEASUREMENTS show a 20% infection rate. So there's no need to try and shoehorn Santa Clara numbers onto NYC to try and guesstimate what portion of NYC has already had it.
JACK:
"Models showing that 50 to 80 times as many people are infected than we know about "
No. You're wrong.
I already did the math for NYC.
At 80 times it's a bit higher than 100%
At 50 times it's 67%.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
And you just claiming you're right doesn't make it so.
But what the heck. Keep insisting that reality isn't so. It's no skin off of my nose.
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Quote:presumably disposable paper masks
Coronavirus Diagnoses In Staff Drop By Half After Boston Hospital Requires Masks For All
April 23, 2020
Carey Goldberg
After Brigham and Women's Hospital in Boston began requiring that nearly everyone in the hospital wear masks, new coronavirus infections diagnosed in its staffers dropped by half — or more.
Brigham and Women’s epidemiologist Dr. Michael Klompas said the hospital mandated masks for all health care staffers on March 25, and extended the requirement to patients as well on April 6.
"When we first began our universal masking policy, we had 12 to 14 new infections per day among our health care workers," he said. "And then after we instituted employee masking, that number dropped down to around eight."]licNPR One
It dropped still further to about six new infections a day once patients had to wear masks, too.
This is by no means gold-plated evidence, Klompas said, and correlation is not causation, but it does suggest that wearing simple masks
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may help stem the spread of the virus, whether in a hospital or out in public.
He hopes to find out whether other hospitals in the Partners Healthcare system, which imposed the "universal mask" policy system-wide, have seen similar drops. "If it's a consistent pattern, I'd be more apt to believe it," he said.
It's thought that employees most often catch the virus outside the hospital, Klompas said, so that could explain why the number of new infections did not drop all the way to zero.
Before the masking policy was brought in, the numbers of new infections had been rising steadily, he explained. Under the new policy, they stabilized and then within a couple of days began to drop, even though the overall numbers were still rising in Boston and Massachusetts.
"So we were seeing a mismatch," he said, "in between what was happening with the health-care workers, where things were getting better, compared to the rest of the town, where things were getting worse."
The universal mask policy was still relatively rare when the Partners hospitals imposed it in late March, but is now common.
Reaction to the masking policy has been positive, Klompas said.
"My biggest challenge is simply remembering that I need to put my mask on every time I leave my office," he added. "Even I need reminding."
https://www.wbur.org/commonhealth/2020/04/23/brigham-and-womens-masks-
infections
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If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
#WEARAMASK
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Here's a link for you, Dummy.
https://people.com/food/world-face-multiple-famines-biblical-proportio
ns-coronavirus-crisis/
I know you don't take stuff I post seriously without one, and I don't usually care, but since male suicides in our country are of no concern for you, here's the prelude to an insane amount of people who are going to die of hunger just so you don't get a wittle cold. Boo hoo.
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UN Leader Says the World Could Face 'Famines of Biblical Proportions' amid Coronavirus Crisis
“While dealing with a COVID-19 pandemic, we are also on the brink of a hunger pandemic,” David Beasley, the director of the UN World Food Program warned
As the world continues to battle the coronavirus pandemic, the United Nations is warning that without action, the world is at risk of numerous famines “of biblical proportions” in the near future.
He explained that famines could be seen “in about three dozen countries,” ten of which already have more than 1 million people on the verge of starvation.
“There is also a real danger that more people could potentially die from the economic impact of COVID-19 than from the virus itself,” he warned.
lol
I'm right again. Imagine that.
And yes... I did mention this the other day repeatedly, but it was ignored by both of you.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Your father and brother are going to starve to death??!!! My gosh! I thought you were in Indiana, not India!
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That response doesn't even make any sense, dummy.
Try again.
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Quote:It makes as much sense as yours.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
That response doesn't even make any sense, dummy.
Try again.
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SIX, if you're really worried about someone near and dear to you committing suicide, why not step in to help? Your brother ... he's on meds, right? He has a doctor, right? How about calling the doctor and expressing your concern? He has a church, right? How about calling the pastor or minister and expressing your concern?
Now, I don't know what kind of support your dad has, but I gather that he and wife made two unwise moves in a row, first to one of the sunshine retirement states (AZ?) and then to FL to help out a step-child launch some sort of new business. And then covid-19 came along, and prolly torpedoed the business. Unlucky timing! MOST small businesses fail, but this really was a death-knell.
Does he have Social Security and/or any retirement plan? He may have to tighten his belt, but I hope he's looking for ways to get thru this.
In any case, if you know ANYBODY who seems imminently about to commit suicide, PLEASE give them a suicide hotline number.
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Originally posted by JACK:
since male suicides in our country are of no concern for you, here's the prelude to an insane amount of people who are going to die of hunger
Quote:You mean they're NOT going to commit suicide by starvation in India? I suppose that should be some relief!
Originally posted by JACK:
That response doesn't even make any sense, dummy.
Try again.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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