I suspect vaccinations because...
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Hello,
I recently read up on polio because it is currently being featured on a television show I enjoy.
What I read suggests that you have to eat/drink excrement in order to get it.
Also that about 1 in 1000 people actually come down with the paralysis.
Also that the virus is thousands of years old.
Also that, despite its age, people only seemed to get it in any quantity in the 19th and 20th centuries.
From the first and final perspective, the illness is very interesting.
I wonder why it suddenly became a problem in the modern era. I also wonder if we shouldn't invest more money into helping people to not eat and drink excrement.
--Anthony
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And the downside OF vaccinating...
Can be exactly the same.
Did you not even READ those articles about vaccine-caused polio outbreaks, before jerking the knee ?
That seems almost a case of damned if you do, damned if you don't, and those people, hell, ANY people, deserve better fekkin options than that.
We CAN do better, we SHOULD do better, and we don't, cause it's not profitable.
I am of the firm opinion that we should - given as a world community, meaning not just the US, but every nation on the planet collectively, have the actual MEANS to - make things like enough food, clean water, and proper health care, all of a certain minimum standard, into basic human rights.
That we have not, nor seem to have any intention to, bothers me in a way I can't really find the words for at the moment.
-Frem
I do not serve the Blind God.
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Quote:This statement is mostly based on a study by Michael Pichichero, where he compared ethylmercury levels from Day 1 to Day 21 after vaccination and found that blood ethylmercury levels fell rapidly. He concluded ethylmercury is excreted and eliminated from the body fast.
Originally posted by m52nickerson:
Ethylmercury also does not accumulate in the body that way elemental mercury or other mercury compounds can.
Problem with that? The blood samples from Day 1 through Day 21 came from 21 different children.
And the obvious whitewashing of the fact that just because it isn't in the blood doesn't mean it is outside of the body. If you compare the levels found in excretions and the levels measured in the blood, you will find a WHOLE lot of ethylmercury missing.
So anyone who repeats the canard that ethylmercury doesn't accumulate in the body in the same way as other mercury compounds hasn't read the original literature and is only parroting medical propaganda.
(ETA: It's been years since I've read the study myself, so if there are small errors in the above summary, I apologize. The gist remains the same.)
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Originally posted by canttakesky:Quote:This statement is mostly based on a study by Michael Pichichero, where he compared ethylmercury levels from Day 1 to Day 21 after vaccination and found that blood ethylmercury levels fell rapidly. He concluded ethylmercury is excreted and eliminated from the body fast.
Originally posted by m52nickerson:
Ethylmercury also does not accumulate in the body that way elemental mercury or other mercury compounds can.
Problem with that? The blood samples from Day 1 through Day 21 came from 21 different children.
And the obvious whitewashing of the fact that just because it isn't in the blood doesn't mean it is outside of the body. If you compare the levels found in excretions and the levels measured in the blood, you will find a WHOLE lot of ethylmercury missing.
So anyone who repeats the canard that ethylmercury doesn't accumulate in the body in the same way as other mercury compounds hasn't read the original literature and is only parroting medical propaganda.
(ETA: It's been years since I've read the study myself, so if there are small errors in the above summary, I apologize. The gist remains the same.)
You missed the link I posted with does more then test the blood and found that ethylmercury is eliminated from the body. So no, that statement is not just based on a single study.
Then you also have the link that Magonsdaughter posted which points out how the amount of mercury contained in a vaccine containing thiomersal is so much smaller then exposes from other sources it is very near irrelevant.
I also love how you will lable literature from the medical community as propaganda yet will believe articles from website with little in the way of medical or scientific knowledge. Good job!
I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.
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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
And the downside OF vaccinating...
Can be exactly the same.
Did you not even READ those articles about vaccine-caused polio outbreaks, before jerking the knee ?
That seems almost a case of damned if you do, damned if you don't, and those people, hell, ANY people, deserve better fekkin options than that.
We CAN do better, we SHOULD do better, and we don't, cause it's not profitable.
Sometimes accedents and mistakes are just that.
I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.
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Hello,
Upon further researching the polio vaccine, I found this disturbing news:
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A major concern about the oral polio vaccine (OPV) is its known ability to revert to a form that can achieve neurological infection and cause paralysis.[37] Clinical disease, including paralysis, caused by vaccine-derived poliovirus (VDPV) is indistinguishable from that caused by wild polioviruses.[38] This is believed to be a rare event, but outbreaks of vaccine-associated paralytic poliomyelitis (VAPP) have been reported, and tend to occur in areas of low coverage by OPV, presumably because the OPV is itself protective against the related outbreak strain.[39][40]
Doses of oral polio vaccine are added to sugar cubes for use in a 1967 vaccination campaign in Bonn, Germany
As the incidence of wild polio diminishes, nations transition from use of the oral vaccine back to the injected vaccine because the direct risk of iatrogenic polio (VAPP) due to OPV outweighs the indirect benefit of immunization via subclinical transmission of OPV. When IPV is used, reversion is not possible but there remains a small risk of clinical infection upon exposure to reverted OPV or wild polio virus. Following the widespread use of polio vaccines in the mid-1950s, the incidence of poliomyelitis declined rapidly in many industrialized countries. The use of OPV was discontinued in the United States in 2000 and in 2004 in the UK, but it continues to be used around the globe.[16][29]
The rate of vaccine-associated paralytic poliomyelitis (VAPP) varies by region but is generally about 1 case per 750,000 vaccine recipients.[41] VAPP is more likely to occur in adults than in children. In immunodeficient children, the risk of VAPP is almost 7,000 times higher, particularly for persons with B-lymphocyte disorders (e.g., agammaglobulinemia and hypogammaglobulinemia), which reduce the synthesis of protective antibodies.[38] The World Health Organization considers the benefits of vaccination to far outweigh the risk of vaccine derived polio. Outbreaks of vaccine derived polio have been stopped by multiple rounds of high-quality vaccination, in order to immunize the entire population.[42]
Outbreaks of VAPP occurred independently in Belarus (1965–66), Canada (1966–68), Egypt (1983–1993), Hispaniola (2000–2001), Philippines (2001), Madagascar (2001–2002),[43] and in Haiti (2002), where political strife and poverty have interfered with vaccination efforts.[44] In 2006 an outbreak of vaccine-derived poliovirus occurred in China.[45] Cases have been reported from Cambodia (2005–2006), Myanmar (2006–2007), Iran (1995, 2005–2007), Syria, Kuwait and Egypt.[46] Since 2005, The World Health Organization has been tracking vaccine-caused polio in northern Nigeria caused by a mutation in live oral polio vaccines.[47]
I imagine such things do not spawn any kind of comfort with the vaccines in question- the preferred vaccines in polio prone areas.
--Anthony
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"In every war, the state enacts a tax of freedom upon the citizenry. The unspoken promise is that the tax shall be revoked at war's end. Endless war holds no such promise. Hence, Eternal War is Eternal Slavery." --Admiral Robert J. Henner
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Frem and AnthonyT
"And the downside OF vaccinating... Can be exactly the same."
But the vast majority of the time is not. In fact, it provides a great overall benefit.
"Very rarely, vaccine-derived poliovirus can cause paralysis. Vaccine-associated paralytic poliomyelitis (VAPP) occurs in an estimated 1 in 2.7 million children receiving their first dose of oral polio vaccine. ...
Between 2000 and 2009 – a period in which nearly 10 billion doses of oral polio vaccine were given worldwide – 14 cVDPV outbreaks occurred, resulting in 428 polio cases. In the same period, wild poliovirus paralysed nearly 14 000 children."
If it were up to me, I'd do things differently. I'd start with purified virus (or bacteria) bits for any vaccination series. I'd move on to killed whole (except for pertussis where generic cellular bits seem to be an issue). Then I'd move on to live attenuated. But logistically in some cases it simply can't be done. Many people who are the focus of vaccination programs are of no fixed address - they are nomadic or semi-nomadic. Aside from putting RFIDs in them - which I wouldn't want - there is no way I can think of to track them and make sure they get their vaccinations in sequence and on time, no matter how much money and how many resources are spent.
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Now THIS is a concept I have difficulty with:
http://www.biosciencetechnology.com/News/FeedsAP/2011/11/hope-for-new-
aids-protection-seen-in-mouse-study/?et_cid=2352669&et_rid=290281413&linkid=http%3a%2f%2fwww.biosciencetechnology.com%2fNews%2fFeedsAP%2f2011%2f11%2fhope-for-new-aids-protection-seen-in-mouse-study%2f
Hope for new AIDS protection seen in mouse study
The new study involved injecting mice with a protective gene, an idea that's been tested against HIV infection in animals for a decade.
A traditional vaccine works by masquerading as a germ, training the body's immune system to build specific defenses in case the real germ shows up. Those defenses are generally antibodies, which are proteins in the blood that have just the right shape to grab onto parts of an invading virus. Once that happens, the virus can't establish a lasting infection and is cleared from the body.
Scientists have identified antibodies that neutralize a wide range of HIV strains, but they've had trouble getting people's immune systems to create those antibodies with a vaccine.
The gene-injection goal is straightforward. Rather than trying to train a person's immune system to devise effective antibodies, why not just give a person genes for those proteins? The genes can slip into cells in muscle or some other tissue and make them pump out lots of the antibodies.
Dr. Harris Goldstein, director of the Einstein-Montefiore Center for AIDS Research in New York, who has done similar research in mice, called Baltimore's result a significant advance if it works in humans because it shows a single injection produces high levels of antibodies for a long time.
It might lead not only to preventing infection, but also a treatment for infected people, he said. If it allowed people with HIV to stop or reduce their medications even for temporary periods, they could avoid the inconvenience and side effects of the drugs, he said.
If it works as a therapy, I think it would be great. HIV is a retrovirus, which means it permanently inserts itself into human DNA. Doing genetic engineering on people who have already been virally genetically engineered seems reasonable (assuming its done with consent as a medical procedure). But I have problems with genetically engineering humans prophylactically.
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"I wonder why it suddenly became a problem in the modern era. I also wonder if we shouldn't invest more money into helping people to not eat and drink excrement."
Just a few interesting asides - polio also infects and paralyzes other great apes.
As for why it's a problem now I have no idea. If I were to speculate with absolutely nothing to back it up, I'd wonder if it may have to do with human population density, where there are too many people and not enough time or space for the land and water to clear themselves of the viral burden before the next batch of humans comes in contact with it.
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