I suspect vaccinations because...
POSTED BY: chrisisall
UPDATED: Saturday, January 13, 2024 18:35
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Hello,
I'm not sure why this thread suddenly degraded into personal insult. I think it is a bad trend. And a silly one.
--Anthony
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Quote:Point taken. Thanks.
Originally posted by AnthonyT:
I'm not sure why this thread suddenly degraded into personal insult. I think it is a bad trend. And a silly one.
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Quote:You do not SEEM to understand that investigation is absolutely what I'm promulgating. Not blind belief in so-called conclusive studies. Nor blind belief in anecdotal evidence. Or mere suspicions.
Originally posted by 1kiki:
And like all believers, you have THE TRUTH. Because apparently, the process of investigation and result is meaningless to you.
It's almost December & it's near sixty degrees here in the state if Massachusetts. It's NOT rocket science to observe that something's not quite normal.
THAT'S what I'm saying. Individual intelligent analysis counts for more (sometimes) than corporate-sponsored & (sometimes) skewed results.
The laughing Chrisisall
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Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:Quote:Non-sequiter, your facts are uncoordinated. You will be sterilized.
Originally posted by Hero:
Did your son die of smallpox or polio?
Actually if you read the original post he concludes that vaccines are a scam.
So, polio, smallpox, parvo, distemper, bird flu, that red dust that drove most of the original visitors away, what did he die from?
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"Hero. I have come to respect you." "I am forced to agree with Hero here."- Chrisisall, 2009.
"I agree with Hero." Niki2, 2011.
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"Not blind belief in so-called conclusive studies. Nor blind belief in anecdotal evidence. Or mere suspicions."
Well, that's why I used the word 'trending'. See, something could come along and be the key to elucidating all those studies in a new way. Or, a whole bunch of studies could be conducted and reverse what we now think are reliable observations. I'm not claiming 'fact' (though I admit I use that word when I'm referring to robust observations) or 'proof', but so far, that is the way studies are running.
I personally know a few people of my generation who are type 1 diabetics. When I was growing up vaccines were few and far between, produce came off the farm, and organic pesticides hadn't been synthesized yet. So it's something that definitely happens even without the NEW usual suspects. Nature does sometimes suck all on its own.
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Quote:Apologies, I will now clarify:
Originally posted by Hero:
Actually if you read the original post he concludes that vaccines are a scam.
MOST vaccines in TODAY'S world and time are at best a harmless economic scam, and at worst a serious health risk given the political agenda, the amateurish preparation by minimum wage, ill trained personnel, and the desire to trust in those that know 'better than you do' despite sloppy, rushed and incomplete data.
Some vaccines are, however, necessary and vital (like the one that Robert Neville took to save him from dying or becoming one of 'The Family').
The laughing Chrisisall
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Quote:Agreed. Okay, I take back the effueahole and apologize. I'm a might touchy today, more than is usual for me. This whole diabetes thing has spun me about.
Originally posted by 1kiki:
Nature does sometimes suck all on its own.
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Quote:I didn't say, "This example proves all studies are worthless."
Originally posted by 1kiki:
"Here is an example of why those studies prove nothing."
To use one example to label ALL studies as 'proving nothing' isn't very scientific.
I said, "The studies are poorly conducted and are pseudoscience. This is an example of such pseudoscience."
Big difference.
Quote:Yes, and I CAN address those as well. The arguments would be similar to those made in this study.
There are many individual studies as well as several meta-analytical studies that all show the same thing. Unless you address those as well you don't have a good case to make.
But I won't. Cause you know, I have a life. Plus, even if I spent the next 3 months writing books about this topic, it still won't sway you, so why bother?
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Quote:Uh, nitpick much?
Originally posted by m52nickerson:
I stopped reading when why they said "As an example, I will use a study frequently cited by government and health authorities as further "scientific" evidence that thimerosal (mercury) in vaccines do not cause autism."
Thimerosal is not mercury.
The concern about thimerosal is that it contains mercury. When someone says, "Thimerosal in vaccines does not cause autism," what they really mean is "Mercury in vaccines does not cause autism."
Stop reading if you wish, but it would be like rejecting an article discussing eating paint chips (lead) and brain damage because paint chips are not the same thing as lead.
You're missing the point.
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Originally posted by AnthonyT:
I think the real factor at work here is this-
Many citizenry of this land no longer trust the country, nor the businesses which operate in this country, nor any institution created with a supposed concern for their welfare. This mistrust is so deep that it is easier for some to assume that a palliative is actually a poison if an authority claims the reverse. This is seen as preferable rather than believe the statements of government, corporations, or researchers whose motives are obscure and perceived as sinister.
The doubt runs so deep that it becomes a perverse twist upon The Emperor's New Clothes. If we see a clothed politician or businessman or their endorsing scientists, we assume that they are naked. So much does our mistrust command our senses, that any fact labeled by such people falls into question even against the evidence of our eyes. The people have been fooled before, and on so many occasions, that a declaration of the fact of gravity will have people buying parachutes, and a declaration about the spherical nature of the world will have people discarding their globes and atlases.
This is the problem. It is a profound loss of faith in the many multitudes of people that we rely upon for the truths we can't personally verify.
And most tragic of all is that this: They have earned this mistrust. They purchased this mistrust in regular payments of blood and betrayal.
It is a situation where we all lose.
Allow me to present another viewpoint there Anthony...
What you're seeing, not just here but in all the world around you is a combination of Santa Claus effect and that whole stages of ideology thing we discussed elsewhere, because for whatever reason many people these days are finally questioning a lot of the basic assumptions they've held or had foisted on them...
And discovering THAT THEY ARE LIES.
And so, this opens the horrible can o worms question - WHAT ELSE DID THEY LIE ABOUT ?
How much of what I believe, what I thought I knew, is actually true ?
There is, quite literally, *mindbreaking* horror in those concepts, they can destroy a person, which is why I am so cautious in leading people down a path that leads to that impasse of thought.
Now for a time, simply because of the terrifying thought that they might have dismissed something important, that may be critical to their survival in this new mental world of theirs - sure, they will at least hear out even the looniest of barking moonbat crazies, cause in discarding external values they must then set their own - this phase passes soon enough, with the rare exception of someone so broken they cannot survive without an external value set and latch on to one "cause' or another simply to have one as a core to rebuild themselves around, which is mostly what happened to PN, although he's not nowhere near as batshit as he puts off, and quite on purpose, too.
Worst of it is the ones who go straight to denial, and will viciously attack those who question or defy, in much the same manner as a distraught relative screaming HE IS NOT DEAD over a corpse with zero vital signs despite what the obvious realities are - I use that as a metaphor for our current system, cause frankly, it is dead - cue the howling harpies swarming on ME for that comment, but better me than those who have just discovered their mental training wheels in a world now strange and unconfortable to them.
And as I mentioned, eventually comes the point where the collusion of Big Pharma, Government, the FDA and the scourge of so-called protectors totally breaks any faith in them, that this was coming I pointed out ages ago with all the assurance of a physicist telling you just how long a rock of a known weight will fall from a certain height - ain't MY fault most folks choose denial, is it now ?
This is a messy process, it is - I point that out a lot, cause it's also dangerous, for example if a pandemic does occur before a trustworthy medical system can be reconstructed, we're fucked cause folks w
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