I suspect vaccinations because...
POSTED BY: chrisisall
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1kiki: A possible immediate and dangerous problem I can see is that I don't imagine there's much way to control antibody production if all the cells in the human body are doing building antibodies and the modified cells can't turn it off.
It's like genetically modifying yourself a case of leukemia. Some doctors HAVE actually been considering it as a treatment for people who already HAVE AIDs, but as you noticed, it's probably not the best idea to do as a preventative.
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Quote:Just because I link to a website doesn't mean I believe those articles. Or that I believe every word in those articles. Propaganda is everywhere, on both sides. One has to intelligently and judiciously sift out little bits of truth from all sources.
Originally posted by m52nickerson:
I also love how you will lable literature from the medical community as propaganda yet will believe articles from website with little in the way of medical or scientific knowledge.
I believe empirical evidence.
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Originally posted by chrisisall:
So my Son 'developed' Type 1 diabetes.
No genetic predisposition in the family.
What was he exposed to the Wife & I weren't?
Two things: Milk (he drinks hormone-free) & vaccinations.
Diabetes is on the rise in more well-to-do areas (where it's more likely everyone 'has their shots').
It's on the rise in cold areas (where peeps are more likely vaccinated for 'cold season').
And after he was diagnosed it was advised he get a flu shot to avoid getting it, which he PROMPTLY did a few weeks later.
My conclusion? Vaccinations are a scam. A dangerous one. Some peeps die, others get autism, etc.
Also, diabetes began its sharp incline in the early eighties, like, you know, AIDS.
We make our own plagues now, no need for fleas & ticks.
Where are you Signy, I need your comments...
Very sorry to hear Chris. I know you are not loving science right now but it's not all bad and as I have witnessed in my own family they are doing some amazing things, care and treatment really does advance.
By the way, did you know these folks have diabetes?
Halle Berry
Mary Tyler Moore
James Doohan
Larry King
Ernest Hemingway
Anne Rice
H. G. Wells
Sonia Sotomayor - yes, a Justice on the United States Supreme Court
Gary Hall Jr. - Olympian swimmer
Halle Berry (she gets mentioned twice 'cuz we like Halle).
I hope when you get some distance from the initial shock you'll start seeing some better news.
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Thanks, Piz!!! Good to see success stories!!!
The laughing Chrisisall
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Originally posted by canttakesky:
I believe empirical evidence.
If that was true you would not have started this thread.
I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.
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Quote:Snicker. I am flattered. I love being mistaken for Chris.
Originally posted by m52nickerson:
If that was true you would not have started this thread.
Hey guys, I'm gonna back off from FFF again. The more time I spend here, the more catty and snarky I become. Sorry about that. Y'all are both a good and bad influence on me. What to do, right?
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Quote:The other study is slightly better, but not by much. Here is the monkey study.
Originally posted by m52nickerson:
You missed the link I posted with does more then test the blood and found that ethylmercury is eliminated from the body. So no, that statement is not just based on a single study.
http://ehp03.niehs.nih.gov/article/fetchArticle.action?articleURI=info
:doi/10.1289/ehp.7712
The study would have been more convincing had they done the following. I understand why they did what they did, but I disagree it was the strongest they could have done, science-wise.
1. Assigned the monkeys randomly instead of semirandomly.
2. Administered both the methylmercury and the ethylmercury via the same means, instead of methyl via mouth and ethyl via IM injection.
3. Measured Hg levels in urine and feces. If it's not in the brain, not in the blood, and THEN not in the excrement, we must believe the Hg may be accumulating elsewhere in the body. A good pharmokinetic study would have measured excretion for sure.
4. Other things a good pharmokinetic study would have measured may include injection site, saliva, cerebrospinal fluid, kidneys, liver, etc.
Finally, a question not of science but of human decency. First watch this video about what mercury does to the brain.
If your kid had to be one of these monkeys, would you rather he be in the ethylmercury group, the methylmercury group, or or the control group receiving no mercury at all?
Ultimately, it doesn't matter if ethylmercury is excreted faster than methylmercury or not. It is still fucking mercury and shouldn't be injected into children to begin with!
And that is the bottom line in this debate. Ethylmercury, no matter how differently it is processed than methylmercury, is still mercury.
OK, NOW I'm leaving.
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"Ethylmercury, no matter how differently it is processed than methylmercury, is still mercury."
That's a bit like saying 'I don't care if it's cyanide or an amino acid, it's still nitrogen'. I don't think I have read anything so closed-minded, dogmatic and ignorant recently that didn't come from little Rappy or Wulf.
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Chris, I have not had the time to read all the way through the thread, but your reasoning is very flawed.
But first, let me get to the vaccine and autism link: Autism begins IN UTERO. It is there before the child is even born. Vaccinations have nothing to do with it, no matter what CTS says.
AFA "diabetes" increasing, there is a huge difference between Type II diabetes, which is definitely increasing, and Type I diabetes. There are many possible causes for Type I diabetes. it appears to be an autoimmune attack on insulin-producing cells. Usually what happens is that the immune system reacts to ONE thing, then cross-reacts with something in the body. It could be triggered by a virus, it could be triggered by a specific allergy, it MIGHT be triggered by vaccination, it could be promoted by a defect in the immune system itself (inability to weed out misbehaving cells). For all I know, it is caused by lack of sunshine, which allows old and cranky white blood cells to persist on the linings of peripheral blood vessels. I would be willing to bet you a rather large amount of money that when the cause of Type I diabetes IS found, it will NOT be vaccination.
Why do I think this??? Because Type I diabetes has been around as long as humans. There are descriptions of it in ancient Greek medical texts... long before vaccines were ever invented.
I will do some research and tell you what I've found.
IN the meantime, let me tell you that I work with a guy who has Type I diabetes, and has had since he was about 10. He has to be disciplined with his diet and medication, but yanno what? He's doing great... just recently got promoted to group leader, in fact. And treatment options are getting better and better, including implantable pumps which meter out a little insulin all the time.
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Originally posted by canttakesky:
The other study is slightly better, but not by much. Here is the monkey study.
http://ehp03.niehs.nih.gov/article/fetchArticle.action?articleURI=info
:doi/10.1289/ehp.7712
The study would have been more convincing had they done the following. I understand why they did what they did, but I disagree it was the strongest they could have done, science-wise.
1. Assigned the monkeys randomly instead of semirandomly.
2. Administered both the methylmercury and the ethylmercury via the same means, instead of methyl via mouth and ethyl via IM injection.
3. Measured Hg levels in urine and feces. If it's not in the brain, not in the blood, and THEN not in the excrement, we must believe the Hg may be accumulating elsewhere in the body. A good pharmokinetic study would have measured excretion for sure.
4. Other things a good pharmokinetic study would have measured may include injection site, saliva, cerebrospinal fluid, kidneys, liver, etc.
1. That is explained. "Infants were assigned to the three groups on a semirandom basis, in order to balance sex ratios and average birth weights across groups."
2. The study was looking at the difference between the two mercury compounds and how they are normally taken in to the body.
3. The study was specificly looking the brain because as you point out with your video that is where the major problems with mercury occur. It was a narrow study, which are what you use when looking at specfic things.
4. Again, see above.
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Originally posted by canttakesky:
Ultimately, it doesn't matter if ethylmercury is excreted faster than methylmercury or not. It is still fucking mercury and shouldn't be injected into children to begin with!
And that is the bottom line in this debate. Ethylmercury, no matter how differently it is processed than methylmercury, is still mercury.
OK, NOW I'm leaving.
It's nice that read at least part of the study to try and find flaws. It would have been better if you read the entire study and looked at what they found.
I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.
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