The Evidens

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JO753

Tuesday, May 23, 2017 7:51 AM

I will start this topic with a clarification on the meaning uv the word eVIDeNS.

Most peepl confuze it with 'proof' - sumthing that leadz directly to an undeniabl conclusion. Proof can be thot uv az a yes/no binary term. Sumthing either iz or iz not proof. There iz no degree to it.

Evidens can be anything - a 5th hand comment about a 3rd hand quote uv sumthing a drunk Skid Row bum mumbled in hiz sleep. Thats extreemly weak evidens, you woudnt bet much on it being true or even related to wutever you are considering, but its still evidens. It mite be true and related to your subject AND helpful.

Or evidens can be the literal smoking gun in the hand uv the perpetrator, identical to 'proof'. It can be anything between the 2 extreemz.

With this in mind, you can see that the statements 'there iz zero eveidens' and 'I see no evidens' rarely make sens.

Obviously, you haf to grade the value uv evidens, otherwize you coud waste a bunch uv time and effort prosessing garbaj. If sumwun iz oppozing you, they coud flood you with all sorts uv junk they just made up.

Now, if you want to derail the topic by trotting out a dictionary definition that duznt jibe with this, too bad - I'm claiming that eVIDeNS iz a new Nooalf word that, altho based on the old English 'evidence' iz more presise and useful. (even if I spell it in the casual slakrz nqalf way 'evidens')

If you arent clear on the consept uv meanz, motive & opportunity, look it up.

I'm going to try to list stuff in kronolojikl order. I will number each post so you dont haf to quote the entire thing for us to no wut yr commenting on.

JO753

Tuesday, May 23, 2017 8:26 AM

Post #1. Early connectionz

1986: Soviet ambassador Yuri Dubinin sat next to The Donald during a New York lunch. Trump sed “One thing led to another, and now I’m talking about building a large luxury hotel across the street from the Kremlin in partnership with the Soviet government.” He bragz about it in The Art uv the Deal. He went to Moscow to discuss the hotel project with the Soviet tourism agency.

Speculation: The young playboy Trump had sum fun wile he wuz there and therez a good chans he got snagged by the KGB Kompromat operation. Its possible he coud hav been on the hook sins then.

Possibly even earlier, Trump or hiz dad may hav had sum involvement with the Russian mobz that sprung up in New York in the 70z & 80z. Organized criminalz are alwayz attracted to construction for sum reazon. I suppoze its eazy to set up bribez with burokrats and offer 'protection' for construction sites and material shipments. Wether theze mobz were connected with the Soviet gummit or not iz debatable.
http://www.nytimes.com/1994/08/23/nyregion/influx-of-russian-gangsters
-troubles-fbi-in-brooklyn.html?pagewanted=all

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1KIKI

Tuesday, May 23, 2017 10:33 AM

ev·i·dence
'ev?d?ns/
noun
noun: evidence

1.
the available body of facts or information indicating whether a belief or proposition is true or valid.
"the study finds little evidence of overt discrimination"

I don't think anonymous gossip can be used to indicate whether anything at all is valid. I sure hope you don't either.

Originally posted by G:
"I coined the slogan "We Suck!"© many years ago."
G is an avowed Putin-loving, pro-Russian, anti-American troll.

SIGNYM

Tuesday, May 23, 2017 11:42 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
Quote:
ev·i·dence
'ev?d?ns/
noun
noun: evidence
1.the available body of facts or information indicating whether a belief or proposition is true or valid.
"the study finds little evidence of overt discrimination"

I don't think anonymous gossip can be used to indicate whether anything at all is valid. I sure hope you don't either.

HAHAHAHA!

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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake
THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.
I'll accept your apology any time, THUGR. But I know you're not man enough to give me one

6STRINGJOKER

Tuesday, May 23, 2017 8:01 PM

According to J0's NooAlf definition of Evidence, I'm a Nazi, Signey is a Communist and here's a picture of J0:

THGRRI

Tuesday, May 23, 2017 11:39 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by JO753:
Post #1. Early connectionz

1986: Soviet ambassador Yuri Dubinin sat next to The Donald during a New York lunch. Trump sed “One thing led to another, and now I’m talking about building a large luxury hotel across the street from the Kremlin in partnership with the Soviet government.” He bragz about it in The Art uv the Deal. He went to Moscow to discuss the hotel project with the Soviet tourism agency.

Speculation: The young playboy Trump had sum fun wile he wuz there and therez a good chans he got snagged by the KGB Kompromat operation. Its possible he coud hav been on the hook sins then.

Possibly even earlier, Trump or hiz dad may hav had sum involvement with the Russian mobz that sprung up in New York in the 70z & 80z. Organized criminalz are alwayz attracted to construction for sum reazon. I suppoze its eazy to set up bribez with burokrats and offer 'protection' for construction sites and material shipments. Wether theze mobz were connected with the Soviet gummit or not iz debatable.
http://www.nytimes.com/1994/08/23/nyregion/influx-of-russian-gangsters
-troubles-fbi-in-brooklyn.html?pagewanted=all

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JO753

Wednesday, May 24, 2017 12:21 AM

Yep. Look who showz up. Muller shoud take note.

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JO753

Wednesday, May 24, 2017 12:45 AM

Post #2: the 1990z - 2000z

Really a continuation uv post #1.

In 96 Trump went to Moscow trying to arranje bilding a replica uv Trump Tower there. Didnt pan out so he wanted to renovate sum hotelz in Moscow. He wuz in the middle uv hiz big bankruptsy scam, so insted uv uzing hiz own money, he wuz tokking to oligarks. They often need to hide money that theyv stolen from Russia, so he had their interest.

He sold alot uv New York condo units to them. (Probably at wildly inflated prisez with a hidden kickback)

Maybe the biggest example uv this wuz in 2006. He got 95,000,000$ for a Florida estate that he'd bot for 41,000,000$. The buyer, Dmitry Rybolovlev,
a close Putin ally, never even bothered to go there. Rybo may hav bot it just to reduse hiz divors settlement!
http://money.cnn.com/2016/07/27/news/donald-trump-russian-deal-mansion/

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JO753

Wednesday, May 24, 2017 12:46 AM

A little adendum to the openning post:

Evidens uv any degreee uv quality can be disproven, THEN its no longer evidens.

You can see that the amount uv time you coud spend trying to verify the Skid Row bum exampl coud get rediculous, so really iznt worth pursuing unless you had absolutely nothing else and your case wuz very important.

An example on the other end uv the spectrum woud be a devise suppozedly from a UFO. To a layman it coud look extreemly hi tek, beyond the capabilityz uv human manufacture. A UFO fraudster coud make up a story about Alienz fixing their ship in the forest and leaving it behind. He coud hav weird symbolz lazer engraved on it. Very convinsing hold-it-in-your-hand PROOF!

But 10 minits uv Google Imaje serch woud turn up a common military surplus fuel pump.

Az good az the evidens seemed, it iz now debunked and no longer evidens uv alien vizitorz.

6STRINGJOKER

Wednesday, May 24, 2017 4:17 AM

Oh. Well in that case....

WISHIMAY

Wednesday, May 24, 2017 5:09 AM

Keep on, Jo, I'm reading but too busy right now to post something thoughtful...

Between dental appts, ortho appts, insurance paperwork, and end of school yr stuff... too much to concentrate on...

There appears to be some white noise in yer thread, tho. Shame about that.

JO753

Wednesday, May 24, 2017 8:43 AM

Post #3. Trumps Own Wordz

Trump haz been complimentary to Putin for yirz. During the primaryz and the main election he repeatedly disparaged Obama or Hillary in the same sentens az he praized Putin. Even wuns frum any previous prezidential candidate woud hav likely scuttled their chansez, but thanks to Fox and their GoP propaganda cohorts sowing hate agenst Demz for yirz, Trump gets away with virtually anything, including treazon, so duzenz uv anti-American pro-Russian statements did not turn away hiz voterz.

Herez a list:
http://www.cnn.com/interactive/2017/03/politics/trump-putin-russia-tim
eline/

Reading them all assembled, you can detect an vage element uv fear in Trump - that maybe he haz such a damming load uv blackmail hanging over him that he iz desperate to pleez Putin any way he can think uv.

At sum point in 2013 he seemz to be trying to hide previous association with Putin. He tweets sumthing like "coud be my new frend", the way a child woud try to fool hiz parents that he didnt no the bad kid before, so had nothing to do with the mischief. But we alredy no about the 2006 Florida estate deal, and there are sertainly going to be a barje load more kuming to lite.

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6STRINGJOKER

Wednesday, May 24, 2017 8:51 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by JO753:
...Trump gets away with virtually anything, including treazon...

Impossible to take you seriously when you say things like this.

JO753

Wednesday, May 24, 2017 1:14 PM

Post #4. Hiz Associates & Cabinet

Paul Manafort, campane advizor.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Manafort

Apparently he haz made a career in selling out the US by advizing GoP prezidential campanez. Its alarming to me that our security iz so lax that he wuznt put out uv biz decadez ago.

So, out uv the thouzandz uv possible good clean Russian-connection-free bonafide conservative Republican campane manajerz he had to chooze from, sumhow, the guy who gets paid 10,000,000$ per yir to help Russian interests
iz Trumps pik.

Micheal Flynn, Security Advizor
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_T._Flynn

It kinda looks like he just went nuts at sum point. Or maybe he iz also a Kompromat victim and thats how he ended up sitting at the same table with Putin, giving a paid speech for RT, taking a Russian paid contract to aid Turkey'z newest dictator.

Agen, out uv all the thouzandz uv potential candidates for the pozition, why him?

Rex Tillerson, Secretary uv State.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rex_Tillerson

Trump didnt no this guy from Arthur Carlson last yir. So, did Rex launch a major campane to get the job? Did all the oil executivez get together at the Koch Brotherz house to draw strawz? According to Wiki, he wuz nominated by Condoleeza Rice.

If you think that its just a wild coinsidens that he happenz to be a Frend Uv Russia medal winner, bestowed by Putin himself, you WERE literally born yesterday AND fell off the turnip truck AND purchased the Brooklin brij frum a uzed refrijerator salezman in Gary Indiana. Tillersonz actionz sins taking offis coud not be any more clearly in servis uv Putin.

Eric Prince
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erik_Prince

This splooj monkey haz sumthing to do with the Russian connection, but so far the only thing thats kum out iz a meeting with a Russian oligark in Saudi Arabia to set up a back channel communication with Putin. Therez going to be more about him, kuz hiz utterly unqualified sister got awarded with the Secretary uv Education pozition.

Thats just a start. There are at least a dozen more, sum that youv alredy herd uv and many hoo will likely remain minor footnotes, but seriously, how many do you need befor you realize that TRUMP HAZ SUM CONNECTION TO RUSSIA?

My opinion iz that Putin and hiz team picked virtually everybody. If there iz anybody that Trump picked for himself, he had to get approval from Putin first.

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6STRINGJOKER

Wednesday, May 24, 2017 5:46 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by JO753:
... but seriously, how many do you need befor you realize that TRUMP HAZ SUM CONNECTION TO RUSSIA?

My opinion iz that Putin and hiz team picked virtually everybody. If there iz anybody that Trump picked for himself, he had to get approval from Putin first.

Risking bringing T in this conversation to call me a Commie or another Putin puppet, I don't see what's so wrong about having "some connection to Russia", in and of itself. The way things have been going in the EU, I actually feel more comfortable with that connection than with.... say... Merkel.

There could be something to what you say. By all means, investigate the man. We waste tons of tax payer dollars on much less important things everyday from handouts to war. It is important to be able to trust our president, or at least trust that he's not "in bed" with the Russians. I'm for spending that money investigating it even if it turns up nothing.

The problem J0, is when you take some legitimate concerns and blow them completely out of proportion and accuse Trump of treason and/or being a slave to Putin.

I expect that from Rachel Maddow. She's making 7 million dollars a year speaking to her echo chamber that was yelling "Fuck Trump", "Not my president" and "No way, KKK" from day one.

I expect more from you though.

It is possible to get your point across without peppering in obvious bias and unsubstantiated claims. When you do that, although you might get pats on the back by the echo chamber, you basically shut the conversation down when it comes to moderates or anybody on the other side.

6STRINGJOKER

Wednesday, May 24, 2017 6:54 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by G:
Jesus, go fuck yourself. You spend 4 years throwing up on this board and NOW you - of all people - are going to say you're disappointed in Jo?!?!?!?! 'Cuz he didn't hold you hand softly enough?????? God damn unbelievable.

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I'm disappointed in J0 because he brings up some good points, but nobody but the regular crowd that is already shitting on Trump are going to take any of them seriously when he puts those Liberal talking points in there. He's smarter than that. He's absolutely without a doubt smarter than Rachel Maddow.

Take it down a notch killer.

I'm really getting bored of you bringing up my past drinking problems. If you don't have anything constructive to say, just go away.

SIGNYM

Wednesday, May 24, 2017 7:59 PM

Quote:
Yep. Look who showz up. Muller shoud take note. - JO

Is this a subtle threat? If so, then yer a Nazi, and a traitor to (among other things) the First Amendment.

It's about time we got that whole use of "traitor" and "treason" straight. Some people (ahem!) don't seem to understand the meaning of the word.

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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake
THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.
I'll accept your apology any time, THUGR. But I know you're not man enough to give me one

SIGNYM

Wednesday, May 24, 2017 8:08 PM

Quote:
The problem J0, is when you take some legitimate concerns and blow them completely out of proportion and accuse Trump of treason and/or being a slave to Putin.

I expect that from Rachel Maddow. She's making 7 million dollars a year speaking to her echo chamber that was yelling "Fuck Trump", "Not my president" and "No way, KKK" from day one.

I expect more from you though.

It is possible to get your point across without peppering in obvious bias and unsubstantiated claims. When you do that, although you might get pats on the back by the echo chamber, you basically shut the conversation down when it comes to moderates or anybody on the other side. - SIX

Jesus, go fuck yourself. You spend 4 years throwing up on this board and NOW you - of all people - are going to say you're disappointed in Jo?!?!?!?! 'Cuz he didn't hold you hand softly enough?????? God damn unbelievable.- GSTRING

As usual, GSTRING, whenever you're confronted with an argument that you can't answer, you go for the "personal attack" and reveal yourself to be a dyed-in-the-wool asshole.

SIX never attacked people like you do. I prefer a drunk SIX to a sober you. Because SIX can apparently stop drinking, but you just can't seem to stop being a jerk.

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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake
THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.
I'll accept your apology any time, THUGR. But I know you're not man enough to give me one

SIGNYM

Wednesday, May 24, 2017 8:11 PM

BTW, JO, I hope you realize that I'm just barely skimming your posts because they're 99.999% bullshit and speculation.

Trump went to Russia in 1986?!?! OMG!!! STOP THE PRESSES!

Trump doesn't want to unnecessarily antagonize Putin?? TREASON!!!

Good lord, JO.

I agree with SIX.... I would prefer that there be "contacts" with Russia. BTW- there always have been, even with Obama. Even with Hillary. Even with Reagan.

It depends on what those contacts are for. Are they for normal discussion? To do business? To develop a common policy on terrorism? To reduce the risk of war? I'm all for it.

Unless these "contacts" are for something nefarious, something which does not serve our interests, then we benefit.

Which reminds me: JO - WHAT ARE OUR INTERESTS AND HOW DOES RUSSIA THREATEN THEM? You have a candidacy so you should have an answer by now. If you don't then you have a real weak spot in your platform.

Despite that fact that you, THUGR, and GSTRING go on and on ... and on and on ... about America, and being "for" America, and people who aren't "for" America, you collectively have never been able to figure out what being"for" America is. I PREDICT THAT YOU WILL NEVER ANSWER THIS QUESTION. But I hope you surprise me.

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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake
THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.
I'll accept your apology any time, THUGR. But I know you're not man enough to give me one

JO753

Thursday, May 25, 2017 12:33 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:Is this a subtle threat?

No. Its about you acting like a paid social media operativ for Putin.

Quote:

It's about time we got that whole use of "traitor" and "treason" straight.

A severe flaw in the Constitution iz the extreemly weak loyalty requirements for The Prez. Being born here duz not garrantee loyalty. The little promis in the inauguration iz worthless with out a clearly defined penalty.

Trump iz working for Putin. Putinz interest iz to bring America down az many notchez az he can in any way possible wether it directly benefits him or not.

Wen Trump piks an assclown pollution proponent to run the EPA, Putin iz happy. 'Dirty America' will fizikly hurt us and our international reputation. 'Look at thoze filthy American pigz choking on their own fumez'.

Wen Trump puts a Bible thumper in charj uv education, Putin iz happy. He can look forward to America bekuming even stoopider in the future.

The media goez into overdrive wen a terrorist killz a dozen peepl sumwhere. Our military and intel haz been working on the radical Islam problem for 20 yirz. Trillionz uv dollarz spent all in the name uv security. How many Americanz will sicken and die wen the GoPs get their 'American Health Care Act' running? How many more uv us will get sick and die from increased pollution, unsafe food and medisin? A terrorist woud be elevated to Mohamed'z status if he accomplished 1/10 uv that!

Putin spendz pocket chanje (relativly) and gets direct up to the minit akses to our most secret secrets.

How iz Trump not a traitor? How iz this not treazon?

Assuming for just a moment that you three are not being paid by Putin, do you need to get kicked in the hed by a viziting dictator'z thugz outside the White House gates befor you wake up?

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JO753

Thursday, May 25, 2017 12:51 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6stringJoker:I don't see what's so wrong about having "some connection to Russia", in and of itself.

Niether do I.

We usually say 'Russia' but thats like blaming the ranch and all the cowz for the crimez uv the evil rancher and hiz nasty cowboyz.

Putin iz an autocrat. A bad dictator who'z 1st victim wuz Russia and he haz greater ambitionz.

Appeazing dictatorz duznt work. Going along with their wishez, even if they seem helpful to you iz danjerous, kuz more likely than not, it will turn out to be just a move in a chess game that they want to win.

You will notis that I never call Putin an idiot.

He iz a genius and he iz winning.

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JO753

Thursday, May 25, 2017 1:14 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
BTW, JO, I hope you realize that I'm just barely skimming your posts because they're 99.999% bullshit and speculation.

Ignorans iz bliss.

Do you think cowz mite put up more uv a fite if they knew wut wuz waiting for them on the other side uv the door?

Quote:
Despite that fact that you, THUGR, and GSTRING go on and on ... and on and on ... about America, and being "for" America, and people who aren't "for" America, you collectively have never been able to figure out what being"for" America is. I PREDICT THAT YOU WILL NEVER ANSWER THIS QUESTION. But I hope you surprise me.

Its about the purpose uv sivilization. If it duznt make life better for the individual to be a member, it iz worthless.

A country'z goverment'z purpose iz to increase the level uv sivilization az hi az possible for az many uv it sitizenz az possible.

If youv read my campane website, maybe the total meaning can be unclear, but thats wut its about - making America the best example uv sivilization in the world.

I believ the basic system created by the founderz iz good, but needz sum serious work to fix orijinal flawz and to update it for todayz conditionz.
Lern from our mistakes. Lern from otherz mistakes. Lern from history.

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6STRINGJOKER

Thursday, May 25, 2017 2:16 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by JO753:
Assuming for just a moment that you three are not being paid by Putin, do you need to get kicked in the hed by a viziting dictator'z thugz outside the White House gates befor you wake up?

Yes. Because everything else you just put in that post is stuff that I have said has been going on a long time (3 presidents' time now, actually).

We agree on a lot. We come to a disagreement when you think Obama was good for us and this is now only beginning under Trump because of Putin.

6STRINGJOKER

Thursday, May 25, 2017 2:23 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by G:
Jesus, go fuck yourself. You spend 4 years throwing up on this board and NOW you - of all people - are going to say you're disappointed in Jo?!?!?!?! 'Cuz he didn't hold you hand softly enough?????? God damn unbelievable.

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Quote:
Originally posted by G:
You don't listen to her, remember? More Jackshit.

Awwwww, poor Jack - imagine how bored we were. You bring it up way more than anyone else. Stop thinking of yourself one time. In 4 years did we ever say, "if you don't have anything sober to say just go away?" You're such an ungrateful pos.

Well now, you are quite the angry little man, aren't you.

JO753

Thursday, May 25, 2017 8:20 AM

Post #5. The Coverups & Liez

I coudnt find a complete list uv all the liez Turmp and hiz peepl hav told about the Putin connectionz and collusion, but here'z a Washington post article about it.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/wp/2017/05/22/collusio
n-will-not-determine-trumps-fate/?utm_term=.31d085b396de

Trump fired Sally Yates within a few dayz uv her warning him that Flynn iz comprimized & coud be blackmailed. He didnt ask Flynn to rezine for another 18 dayz, and then only kuz uv breaking newz making it impossible for him to stay.

He asked Comey and at least 2 other intel dept hedz to publicly deny he wuz being investigated for colluding with the Russianz.

He fired Comey and sent hiz peeps out to push a lie that it wuz due to Comey mishandling the Hillary email investigation. He had The AG & deputy AG create a memo to back this lie up.

Then he tossez the whole lot into the trash, including hiz lackeyz, and admits he fired Comey to stop the investigation.

He fired Preet Barara to stop investigationz into Russian money laundering and other financial crimez that certainly involve Trump and hiz associates.

You don't lie about sumthing if you werent aware uv it or that it wuz illegal. You dont fire peepl who are investigating you if you are innosent.

Pence iz neck deep in this. Who knowz about Ryan? Hiz statement about the 'Putin payz Rorhabacher and Trump' iz suspicious. So who'z next in line after him? The Attorney General Jeff Sessionz? Too bad he'z alredy known to be deeply involved.

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JO753

Thursday, May 25, 2017 8:39 AM

An interesting aspect uv this iz that the GoPs were alredy aware to sum degree uv Trumps Putin connectionz.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/house-majority-
leader-to-colleagues-in-2016-i-think-putin-pays-trump/2017/05/17/515f6f8a-3aff-11e7-8854-21f359183e8c_story.html?utm_term=.2a0746cf4480

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6STRINGJOKER

Thursday, May 25, 2017 8:56 AM

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You don't lie about sumthing if you werent aware uv it or that it wuz illegal. You dont fire peepl who are investigating you if you are innosent.

You do if you're a troll. I already stated my theory about why he did this in another thread.

If he's guilty, it will come out. Doing that certainly does make him look guilty and even I would be pissed off if there was no investigation now. That's why I don't believe he is guilty.

One of three things happens now.

1. Trump proves to us and the world that he has absolute control and is above any investigations. (Extremely unlikely, and I'd like to think that there would be a revolt by the people).

2. Trump is proven guilty. (Unlikely. I don't believe this move would have been made if he was guilty because even his supporters have to at least raise an eyebrow at this move).

3. Trump is going to embarrass Democrat and GOP politicians that have been calling for his head, and likely ruin the careers of quite a few MSM talking heads. (That's where my money would be if gambling were one of my vices).

WISHIMAY

Thursday, May 25, 2017 9:46 AM

It looks like someone has gone from annoying youtube vids to annoying memebase crap...

6STRINGJOKER

Thursday, May 25, 2017 9:49 AM

JO753

Thursday, May 25, 2017 10:19 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
Quote:
You don't lie about sumthing if you werent aware uv it or that it wuz illegal. You dont fire peepl who are investigating you if you are innosent.

You do if you're a troll. I already stated my theory about why he did this in another thread.

If he's guilty, it will come out. Doing that certainly does make him look guilty and even I would be pissed off if there was no investigation now. That's why I don't believe he is guilty.

One of three things happens now.

1. Trump proves to us and the world that he has absolute control and is above any investigations. (Extremely unlikely, and I'd like to think that there would be a revolt by the people).

2. Trump is proven guilty. (Unlikely. I don't believe this move would have been made if he was guilty because even his supporters have to at least raise an eyebrow at this move).

3. Trump is going to embarrass Democrat and GOP politicians that have been calling for his head, and likely ruin the careers of quite a few MSM talking heads. (That's where my money would be if gambling were one of my vices).

I wanted to quote this hole thing, kuz you are going to want to edit or delete it later wen it bekumz undeniabl proof that you are an idiot (most likely) or being paid to post such nonsens.

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SECOND

Thursday, May 25, 2017 10:48 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6stringJoker:

3. Trump is going to embarrass Democrat and GOP politicians that have been calling for his head, and likely ruin the careers of quite a few MSM talking heads. (That's where my money would be if gambling were one of my vices).

I vote for #3, except the embarrassing part will be how slow the investigation proceeds and how quickly will follow the pardon of prison sentences. It took twenty-two months for an investigation by a special council before Scooter Libby, who worked in the White House from 2001 to 2005, was indicted. Everyone should expect this investigation will take at least as long before Trump or Pence commutes all the prison sentences or gives a blanket pardon to everybody involved, just like Bush commuted Scooter's 30 month sentence. That will make the entire exercise of gathering evidence a waste of time.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Libby

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

6STRINGJOKER

Thursday, May 25, 2017 12:25 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by JO753:
I wanted to quote this hole thing, kuz you are going to want to edit or delete it later wen it bekumz undeniabl proof that you are an idiot (most likely) or being paid to post such nonsens.

I'll keep this thread bookmarked.

I'll remember you said that when nothing comes of any of this.

Hell J0. Even Second is making a lot more sense than you are in your own thread.

And BTW... why would you think of all of the posts that I've written over the years here that THIS is the ONE that I would edit or delete?

Nope... I don't do that.

I might make a few edits here and there about 5 minutes after I post something, but everything I ever posted is still up here for T to dig up.

SIGNYM

Thursday, May 25, 2017 1:16 PM

Quote:
Yep. Look who showz up. Muller shoud take note.- JO
Is this a subtle threat? - SIGNY
No. Its about you acting like a paid social media operativ for Putin.- JO

In other words, it's a subtle threat.

Jo, I'm going to tell you a story which I hope you'll take the time to read. It's a real-life story (mine) with strange parallels to today.

A long time ago, on a website far away ...

This was a website dedicated mostly to neurological disorders, and there was a forum for parents of neuroatypical children. Many of the participants were midwestern stay-at-home moms; but wherever we were from this was where we came to share information and heartache. 9-11 affected everyone; discussion about it derailed most forums, so the webmaster decided to corral the discussions by creating a real-world events discussion forum, much like Haken did here.

9-11, in my view, was no big surprise. It didn't take a genius to draw a straight line between the Kenyan embassy bombing or the attack on the Cole and the USA. There was nothing between us and "them" except a big empty ocean, and any dedicated terrorist would find their way across sooner or later. It was just a matter of time, and I spent the roughly three years after the Embassy bombing waiting for the other shoe to drop. Hubby and I would think about how one could do the most damage with the least effort; and in the end, when 9-11 happened, I was actually somewhat relieved that "the worst" didn't happen because it could have been so much worse. I won't say how, but we could have been talking millions of dead, not thousands.

In some ways, I didn't understand most people's terror and surprise. I was telling people to get over their shock and terror because we needed to DEAL with the foreign policy that caused this, and deal with the threat of terrorism at home. Needless to say, people hated me, and I was accused of being .... wait for it ... a terrorist sympathizer.

Then, when GWB started cranking up the war propaganda machine to bomb Afghanistan back into the stone age, I was heartsick. There he was, making innocent people suffer by bombing them for a cause that they didn't even choose. I could imagine Afghanistan being torn apart- again - and us being involved in an endless guerrilla war, another Vietnam, just in a different place. So I started making predictions ... we're planning to invade. We're going to start by bombing, followed by our tanks and troops. Each prediction was followed by a chorus of "No we aren't" which was followed by the event.

As you may recall, at that point, there had been SOME evidence that Osama bin Laden had been experimenting with chemical weapons. I thought that Osama's plan was ... well, if the mountain won't come to Mohammed, Mohammed must go to the mountain. I thought that Osama had lured those distant faraway American troops into a trap, that in some cold mountain pass, where troops would be all bunched up, hell would be unleashed on them.

So I predicted something like "Right about now I'd be worried about chemical or biological weapons".

Well, as luck would have it, the anthrax letters were mailed about a week or so later. OMG, did some on the board go into a tizzy! Since they were already convinced that I was at least a terrorist sympathizer, and they knew I knew something about science ... well, hell, I might have been a terrorist myself! Maybe even someone who sent those anthrax letters! So they urged the webmaster to give my particulars to the FBI, and few weeks after that, when the FBI was swarming around the middleastern community in Orange County, they detailed a few of their (probably junior staff) to follow me.

Now, I was completely innocent of anything, and all I had been saying was.... this isn't going to work, we have to stop invading so many nations and making so many enemies; we need to be an awful lot smarter about our foreign policy and

SECOND

Thursday, May 25, 2017 6:50 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:

. . . all I had been saying was.... this isn't going to work, we have to stop invading so many nations and making so many enemies; we need to be an awful lot smarter about our foreign policy and internal security.
. . . what did you think about our invasion of Afghanistan? Of Iraq? How did you feel about our destruction of Libya?

If at any point in our rampage through the Middle East, did you start out agreeing and then possibly change your mind? And if you did, why did you start out with one idea and wind up with another? If you've learned anything from experience and history, what did you learn?

I learned that Osama bin Laden understood the Pentagon and Congress more accurately than the average US citizen does: "All that we have to do is to send two mujahedeen to the furthest point east to raise a piece of cloth on which is written al Qaeda, in order to make generals race there to cause America to suffer human, economic and political losses without their achieving anything of note other than some benefits for their private corporations," bin Laden said.

As part of the "bleed-until-bankruptcy plan," bin Laden cited a British estimate that it cost al Qaeda about $500,000 to carry out the attacks of September 11, 2001, an amount that he said paled in comparison with the costs incurred by the United States.

"Every dollar of al Qaeda defeated a million dollars, by the permission of Allah, besides the loss of a huge number of jobs," he said. "As for the economic deficit, it has reached record astronomical numbers estimated to total more than a trillion dollars."

http://edition.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/11/01/binladen.tape/index.html

First the USA wastes a trillion, then follows that with another two trillion, then when that doesn't work, another four trillion, and so on and on.

Since 9/11 there has been turnover in the leadership of Congress and the Pentagon, but it is not gotten any wiser and their goal still seems to be to spend more and more money on the military and never form a coherent strategy about anywhere in the world. I think bin Laden understood the USA's leadership and its mental handicaps. The leadership and the citizenship aren't all that far apart in their stubborn incomprehension of the world. If only they actually knew even half of what they image and claim to know, their lives would be going so much smoother than their lives really are.

"And it all shows that the real loser is you," Osama bin Laden said. "It is the American people and their economy."

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

SIGNYM

Thursday, May 25, 2017 7:10 PM

SECOND, we agree. I think hell just froze over.

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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake
THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.
I'll accept your apology any time, THUGR. But I know you're not man enough to give me one

SECOND

Thursday, May 25, 2017 7:16 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
SECOND, we agree. I think hell just froze over.

We can probably agree on this observation: Osama bin Laden said "And it all shows that the real loser is you. It is the American people and their economy."

As for President Bush's Iraq policy, Bin Laden said, "the darkness of black gold blurred his vision and insight, and he gave priority to private interests over the public interests of America." I approve of the notion that Americans have a blurred vision of the world and lack insight into their own motivations.

http://edition.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/11/01/binladen.tape/index.html

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

6STRINGJOKER

Thursday, May 25, 2017 8:49 PM

I'm still not sure that Osama Bin Laden wasn't just an invention of Dick Cheney. He sure made Halliburton boatloads of cash. Not only did we never see Osama's body, but we never saw Osama and Scottie Pippen in the same room together:

I bet if you look real hard, you can find a picture in these threads that I made about 10 years ago remarking on that resemblance. Seems I'm not the only person who thought that.

SIGNYM

Thursday, May 25, 2017 8:52 PM

GSTRING, Oh Wise One, I have a question for YOU that I doubt that you'll answer: You're unhappy with our politicians. Clearly, you must have a better plan in mind! So, what should our politicians DO, vis-a-vis Russia? Bomb Russia in Syria? Just go straight to bombing Russia itself?

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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake
THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.
I'll accept your apology any time, THUGR. But I know you're not man enough to give me one

SIGNYM

Thursday, May 25, 2017 9:32 PM

JO -Thank you for your answer. Mostly, I agree, But now, a few caveats.

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Its about the purpose uv sivilization. If it duznt make life better for the individual to be a member, it iz worthless.

Better than what? A solitary life, scratching out a miserable existence in the wilds of the jungle, or downtown Detroit? That's a pretty low bar, almost ANY society can do that.

Also, I disagree to some extent on the focus towards the individual. I posted many thoughts on the relationship between the individual and society. Society has it's own requirements for survival, which at times requires individuals to cooperate and be productive. If you want the society to survive, you have to contribute something towards its maintenance and defense.

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A country'z goverment'z purpose iz to increase the level uv sivilization az hi az possible for az many uv it sitizenz az possible.

You keep referring to "civilization" but what I think you really mean is "comfortable lifestyle based on technology". There are reasons to think the goal of a comfortable, work-free lifestyle isn't GOOD for people, just as extreme individualism leads to social isolation and isn't good for people either. So if civilization is geared towards giving people what they want (or have been convinced they should want)- fun, freedom, a lot of toys, and no work - it may not be providing people with what they NEED - agency in their own lives, social connection, a feeling of higher purpose.

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If youv read my campane website, maybe the total meaning can be unclear, but thats wut its about - making America the best example uv sivilization in the world.

Ok

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I believ the basic system created by the founderz iz good, but needz sum serious work to fix orijinal flawz and to update it for todayz conditionz.
Lern from our mistakes. Lern from otherz mistakes. Lern from history.

The FF created a political system. But its the economic system that needs work. Political equality can't exist without economic equality.

I think we agree on many things.

So how does "being a good example" relate to our swath of destruction thru the MENA and our relations with Russia, China, and the remainder of the world?

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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake
THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.
I'll accept your apology any time, THUGR. But I know you're not man enough to give me one

1KIKI

Thursday, May 25, 2017 10:12 PM

Jo, I'm still waiting for evidence.

What you posted so far is

"speculation" Monday, May 22, 2017 10:26 PM

trolling "Yep. Look who showz up. Muller shoud take note." Tuesday, May 23, 2017 2:21 PM

MORE speculation "(Probably at wildly inflated prisez with a hidden kickback)" Tuesday, May 23, 2017 2:45 PM

and ANOTHER heaping helping of speculation "maybe he haz such a damming load uv blackmail hanging over" which includes a link to an article about "suspicion" Tuesday, May 23, 2017 10:43 PM

a multiple 'fail' post that contains
1) a claim attached to a figure you pulled out of your ass, not supported by your wiki link "guy who gets paid 10,000,000$"
2) red-baiting (a tactic of Joe McCarthy) Flynn
3) connecting the Koch brothers and Condoleezza Rice to Russia through Tillerson!
4) and claiming Prince has "something" to do with Russia ... Wednesday, May 24, 2017 3:14 AM

MORE trolling "you acting like a paid social media operativ"; really weird commentary "severe flaw in the Constitution iz the extreemly weak loyalty requirements"; and outright fabrications "Trump iz working for Putin" Wednesday, May 24, 2017 2:33 PM

strange comments that you don't seem to apply uniformly (like to Saudi Arabia) "Appeazing dictatorz duznt work." Wednesday, May 24, 2017 2:51 PM

and dictats you don't take seriously enough to follow yourself "Lern from our mistakes" Wednesday, May 24, 2017 3:14 PM

a link which supports none of your post and which says this "The people who described the contacts to Reuters said they had seen no evidence of wrongdoing or collusion between the campaign and Russia in the communications reviewed so far" Wednesday, May 24, 2017 10:20 PM

more unsubstantiated claims Wednesday, May 24, 2017 10:39 PM

AND ... more trolling "undeniabl proof that you are an idiot (most likely) or being paid to post" Thursday, May 25, 2017 12:19 AM

I went though your posts because you claimed this was going to be about evidence. And I haven't seen any. Trolling? Claims? Speculation? Innuendo? You got that well covered.

But where's the evidence?

Originally posted by G:
"I coined the slogan "We Suck!"© many years ago."
G is an avowed Putin-loving, pro-Russian, anti-American troll.

6STRINGJOKER

Friday, May 26, 2017 12:30 AM

Don't forget that he outright accused Trump of Treason. Bold move. Good for his candidacy if he is proven to be right about this... not so good if he isn't.

JO753

Friday, May 26, 2017 1:46 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:In other words, it's a subtle threat.

No. Just telling you how you appear.

The FSB election hacking program flooded the interweb with MILLIONZ uv posts, tweets, fasebooks, fake newz, etc agenst Hillary or for Trump, so oddz are good that anybody who iz doing the same iz part uv the operation.

You dont go to a punk rock consert with a 3 ft tall floresent pink mohawk and then expect anybody to believ you are not a fan.

Quote:

Jo, I'm going to tell you a story which I hope you'll take the time to read. It's a real-life story (mine) with strange parallels to today.

A long time ago, on a website far away ...

Interesting story. Sorry for you troublez.

I admit I wuz fooled by Bush. I didnt pay much attention to politics back then, but even tho I knew he wuz a dimwit, I wuz behind him about going into Afganistan.

About Iraq, not so much, but figured it woud be over in a few weeks, just like Dezert Storm. And I still think its not a bad thing to topple evil dictatorz. Its the follow up that we alwayz get rong!

The BIG lesson that I expected everybody to lern from the Bush yirz iz that we cant hav an idiot in the Oval Offis.

Even if he wuznt an actual clinical idiot, he wuz not smart enuf for the job, wich iz effectively the same az being an idiot.

Obviously that lesson haz not been lerned by enuf uv us. Trump iz an outrite idiot, straddling the border uv insanity. The perfect puppet for an evil genius.

A segjestion for you: If you dont want us to think you are a Putin operativ, at least admit hiz crimez and that he iz not interested in helping America.

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DUZ XaT SEM RiT TQ YQ? - Jubal Early

http://www.7532020.com

JO753

Friday, May 26, 2017 2:05 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
I learned that Osama bin Laden understood the Pentagon and Congress more accurately than the average US citizen does:

A chess grandmaster can beat any number uv mere masterz teamed up agenst him. IQ iz averajed in a group, not multiplied.

Collectively, America iz a dimwit. And wen you filter out the dimmer wunz and put them in charj, America iz effectively a moron.

But Osama, no matter how smart he wuz, made a huje mistake. Like a nerd poking a grizzly bear, smarts duznt alwayz win agenst power.

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DUZ XaT SEM RiT TQ YQ? - Jubal Early

http://www.7532020.com

6STRINGJOKER

Friday, May 26, 2017 2:17 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by JO753:
A segjestion for you: If you dont want us to think you are a Putin operativ, at least admit hiz crimez and that he iz not interested in helping America.

I'm perfectly okay with random strangers on the internet thinking that I'm a Putin operative because I don't agree with their Left Wing brainwashing.

All I got to do now is figure out how to get that big payday. Do you think Putin would pay in free Russian brides J0?

JO753

Friday, May 26, 2017 2:21 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by G:
'Yes' to all of this Jo - well said. It is brilliant what Putin's is doing, and our over officious, ego driven, jerkwad "leeders" are to busy arguing with each other and thinking only of themselves to see it. Well, most them.

The Demz seem to be staying fairly quiet about it. If they put up a rukus proportional to the GoPs about Bengazi, they'd blow up the amps!
(6! post a 'blo xoz spekrz' yqtqb!)

I think their stratejy iz to not help the GoPs paint it az a partisan plot.
Also, let them get dragged down deep by trying to defend Trump.
(6! post 'dragd down bi xu ston' bi pink floed!)

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DUZ XaT SEM RiT TQ YQ? - Jubal Early

http://www.7532020.com

JO753

Friday, May 26, 2017 2:26 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
Jo, I'm still waiting for evidence.

Reread the openning post.

About ALL your 'objectionz', why do you think Trump lawyered up yesterday?

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DUZ XaT SEM RiT TQ YQ? - Jubal Early

http://www.7532020.com

6STRINGJOKER

Friday, May 26, 2017 2:26 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by JO753:
(6! post a 'blo xoz spekrz' yqtqb!)
(6! post 'dragd down bi xu ston' bi pink floed!)

I think this has something to do with me cause of the 6...

What's up with NooAlf J0? It gets all jacked up and completely unreadable when it's put between parenthesis?

JO753

Friday, May 26, 2017 3:08 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
JO -Thank you for your answer. Mostly, I agree, But now, a few caveats.

Quote:
Its about the purpose uv sivilization. If it duznt make life better for the individual to be a member, it iz worthless.
Better than what? A solitary life, scratching out a miserable existence in the wilds of the jungle, or downtown Detroit? That's a pretty low bar, almost ANY society can do that.

Hard to say. If you are working 72 owrz a week in a stinking factory for 8 buks an owr, plus another 2 owrz in traffic every day, a jiant chunk uv your paycheck chomped out by taxez, then paying 1,200$ a month for a crappy apartment, then countless other time & money parasites constantly nibbling away your life, you coud put together a strong argument agenst this 'sivilization' idea.

Goverments uv every type are doing jenerally a mediocre job, but the socialist/free enterprize/democratic wunz are definitely better than the autocratic oppressor type.

Its really about teknolojy. Az I state on the Finance paje, we'v been working to end work for hundredz uv yirz and the job iz nearly dun.

Quote:

Also, I disagree to some extent on the focus towards the individual. I posted many thoughts on the relationship between the individual and society. Society has it's own requirements for survival, which at times requires individuals to cooperate and be productive. If you want the society to survive, you have to contribute something towards its maintenance and defense.

I dont see where the disagreement iz.

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There are reasons to think the goal of a comfortable, work-free lifestyle isn't GOOD for people, just as extreme individualism leads to social isolation and isn't good for people either. So if civilization is geared towards giving people what they want (or have been convinced they should want)- fun, freedom, a lot of toys, and no work - it may not be providing people with what they NEED - agency in their own lives, social connection, a feeling of higher purpose.

Not much chans uv stopping progress. We arent going to bekum neo-Quakerz at a 2025 tek level wile the rest uv the world movez on.

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The FF created a political system. But its the economic system that needs work. Political equality can't exist without economic equality.

True. The goverment makes the rulez to the game. If we keep electing rich peepl, its our own fault if rich peepl keep getting the rulez tweeked in their favor.

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I think we agree on many things.

I'm glad you realize that. Maybe it will make you consider the evidens I am offering more carefully.

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So how does "being a good example" relate to our swath of destruction thru the MENA and our relations with Russia, China, and the remainder of the world?

Not very well. An incoherent or bad stratejy haz helped our opponents.

'America First' shoudnt mean 'America Only'. Our corporationz, especially the oil industry, hav been plundering and polluting the world for decadez. The military kicks ass, but creates more enemyz than they kill.

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DUZ XaT SEM RiT TQ YQ? - Jubal Early

http://www.7532020.com

JO753

Friday, May 26, 2017 3:26 AM

No, 6, you just havent bothered to lern it. Here, I'll do it:

OK, I got xu namez rong on both songz, so even if you looked them up, youd hav trubl finding them.

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DUZ XaT SEM RiT TQ YQ? - Jubal Early

http://www.7532020.com

6STRINGJOKER

Friday, May 26, 2017 5:52 AM

Ah... now I see it. It's not parenthesis that were the problem. I think, at least for me, the problem comes with pronouns.

No matter what else we disagree on, at least we both have good taste in music.

THGRRI

Friday, May 26, 2017 8:39 AM

The conservative mind has become diseased

By Michael Gerson Opinion writer

May 25 at 7:32 PM ?

To many observers on the left, the initial embrace of Seth Rich conspiracy theories by conservative media figures was merely a confirmation of the right’s deformed soul. But for those of us who remember that Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity were once relatively mainstream Reaganites, their extended vacation in the fever swamps is even more disturbing. If once you knew better, the indictment is deeper.

The cruel exploitation of the memory of Rich, a Democratic National Committee staffer who was shot dead last summer, was horrifying and clarifying. The Hannity right, without evidence, accused Rich rather than the Russians of leaking damaging DNC emails. In doing so, it has proved its willingness to credit anything — no matter how obviously deceptive or toxic — to defend President Trump and harm his opponents. Even if it means becoming a megaphone for Russian influence.

The basic, human questions are simple. How could conservative media figures not have felt — felt in their hearts and bones — the God-awful ickiness of it? How did the genes of generosity and simple humanity get turned off? Is this insensibility the risk of prolonged exposure to our radioactive political culture? If so, all of us should stand back a moment and tend to the health of our revulsion

But this failure of decency is also politically symbolic. Who is the politician who legitimized conspiracy thinking at the highest level? Who raised the possibility that Ted Cruz’s father might have been involved in the assassination of John F. Kennedy? Who hinted that Hillary Clinton might have been involved in the death of Vince Foster, or that unnamed liberals might have killed Justice Antonin Scalia? Who not only questioned President Barack Obama’s birth certificate, but raised the prospect of the murder of a Hawaiian state official in a coverup? “How amazing,” Trump tweeted in 2013, “the State Health Director who verified copies of Obama’s ‘birth certificate’ died in plane crash today. All others lived.”

We have a president charged with maintaining public health who asserts that the vaccination schedule is a dangerous scam of greedy doctors. We have a president charged with representing all Americans who has falsely accused thousands of Muslims of celebrating in the streets following the 9/11 attacks.

In this mental environment, alleging a Rich-related conspiracy was predictable. This is a concrete example of the mainstreaming of destructive craziness.

Those conservatives who believe that the confirmation of Justice Neil M. Gorsuch is sufficient justification for the Trump presidency are ignoring Trump’s psychic and moral destruction of the conservative movement and the Republican Party. Clinton, with a small number of changed votes, would have defeated Republicans. But Trump is doing a kind of harm beyond anything Clinton could have done. He is changing the party’s most basic moral and political orientations. He is shaping conservatism in his image and ensuring an eventual defeat more complete, and an eventual exile more prolonged, than Democrats could have dreamed.

The conservative mind, in some very visible cases, has become diseased. The movement has been seized by a kind of discrediting madness, in which conspiracy delusions figure prominently. Institutions and individuals that once served an important ideological role, providing a balance to media bias, are discrediting themselves in crucial ways. With the blessings of a president, they have abandoned the normal constraints of reason and compassion. They have allowed political polarization to reach their hearts, and harden them. They have allowed polarization to dominate their minds, and empty them.

Conspiracy theories often involve a kind of dehumanization. Human tragedy is made secondary — something to be exploited rather than mourned. The narrative of conspiracy takes precedence over the meaning of a life and the suffering of a family. A human being is made into an

1KIKI

Friday, May 26, 2017 9:45 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
Jo, I'm still waiting for evidence.

Quote:
Originally posted by JO753:
Reread the openning post.

Well, JO, you have many problems, one of which is you dismiss normal word meanings that normal people understand. So, rather than use YOUR extremely peculiar non-definition of 'evidence'

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Most peepl confuze it with 'proof' - sumthing that leadz directly to an undeniabl conclusion.

I decided to use the normal understanding normal people have

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ev·i·dence
'ev?d?ns/
noun
noun: evidence

1.
the available body of facts or information indicating whether a belief or proposition is true or valid.
"the study finds little evidence of overt discrimination"

I don't think anonymous gossip can be used to indicate whether anything at all is valid. I sure hope you don't either.

Originally posted by G:
"I coined the slogan "We Suck!"© many years ago."
G is an avowed Putin-loving, pro-Russian, anti-American troll.

6STRINGJOKER

Friday, May 26, 2017 9:50 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by THGRRI:
The conservative mind has become diseased

lol...

I'm sure, based on that title alone, that there is a WEALTH of great information in that article.

It's no wonder you are oblivious to how condescending and judgemental you are T when you read articles like that all day.

One wonders, what is the point of writing an article with a title like that? Obviously the only people who would ever read it are people who are already squarely in that "camp".

Seems to me like Mr Gerson was just masturbating in public when he put that out there, and anybody who is reading it and posting the link to it just joined in his circle jerk.

Have fun boys.

JO753

Friday, May 26, 2017 2:14 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by THGRRI:
The conservative mind has become diseased

Good article.

I hope the parents sue Hannity. I think he'z Fox'z last prime time ratingz winner, so if they dump him, the hole dam station will crash.

They hav dun real damaj to the country.

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DUZ XaT SEM RiT TQ YQ? - Jubal Early

http://www.7532020.com

THGRRI

Friday, May 26, 2017 9:48 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
Quote:
Originally posted by THGRRI:
The conservative mind has become diseased

lol...

I'm sure, based on that title alone, that there is a WEALTH of great information in that article.

It's no wonder you are oblivious to how condescending and judgemental you are T when you read articles like that all day.

One wonders, what is the point of writing an article with a title like that? Obviously the only people who would ever read it are people who are already squarely in that "camp".

Seems to me like Mr Gerson was just masturbating in public when he put that out there, and anybody who is reading it and posting the link to it just joined in his circle jerk.

Have fun boys.

In the process of setting electoral districts, gerrymandering is a practice intended to establish a political advantage for a particular party or group by manipulating district boundaries. The resulting district is known as a gerrymander; however, that word can also refer to the process. The term gerrymandering has negative connotations. Two principal tactics are used in gerrymandering: "cracking" (i.e. diluting the voting power of the opposing party's supporters across many districts) and "packing" (concentrating the opposing party's voting power in one district to reduce their voting power in other districts).

When this is done successfully, the hardliners, religious zealots, people who are fanatical and uncompromising in pursuit of their religious, political, or other ideals have all the influence. This is because those who believe otherwise are no longer within these voting districts. They have been carved out of the district. It leaves those holding office hostage to their wishes. To pursue a different course of action against their wishes is political suicide.

The fact that you don't understand this in of no surprise to me Jack. It will be the doom of the Republican party. They only remain afloat because of the anger permeating throughout the countryside. Remember, there were 16 of the top Republican leaders running for president. All were rejected before they got started.

6STRINGJOKER

Friday, May 26, 2017 10:17 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by THGRRI:
The fact that you don't understand this in of no surprise to me Jack.

It's not that I didn't understand it. I didn't read it. My point was that the only people who would read an article with that title are people who will already agree 100% to everything inside of it.

So the question is, what's the point of writing it?

The answer is self-gratification and patting of his back by those who join in the circle jerk.

SIGNYM

Friday, May 26, 2017 10:30 PM

I only have time for this

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A segjestion for you: If you dont want us to think you are a Putin operativ, at least admit ... that he iz not interested in helping America.- JO

GOOD HEAVENS! OF COURSE he's not interested in helping America! Why would he be? He's (presumably) interested in furthering Russia's interests: That's his job; that's what he's supposed to be doing!

Not only is he NOT interested in helping America, Russia's (or his) interests can conflict with ours.

But you'll notice I said OUR interests. America's interests. Not our interests for Syria, or Iraq, or Russia, or Cuba or Malawi. Not abstract concepts like "democracy", or "freedom" or "human rights" elsewhere. Not some vague desire to "win".

OUR interests.

That's why its so important to figure out what OUR interests are: So we can defend them and not get distracted into spending money and lives doing things that are (at best) for some other nation's benefit and (at worst) counterproductive to our own.

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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake
THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.
I'll accept your apology any time, THUGR. But I know you're not man enough to give me one

THGRRI

Saturday, May 27, 2017 1:54 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
Quote:
Originally posted by THGRRI:
The fact that you don't understand this in of no surprise to me Jack.

It's not that I didn't understand it. I didn't read it. My point was that the only people who would read an article with that title are people who will already agree 100% to everything inside of it.

So the question is, what's the point of writing it?

The answer is self-gratification and patting of his back by those who join in the circle jerk.

We know you didn't read it. Why, because we can tell you don't read by what you post. I've stated that many times here about you. Now, I'm not going to dispute you in this post. I'll let a republican do it. A republican who is a conservative but not a nut. Pay attention Jack, he's speaking to you.

6STRINGJOKER

Saturday, May 27, 2017 2:21 AM

The Joe Scarborough show... known most recently for telling us that it was their job to tell us what to think.

I'll pass.

THGRRI

Saturday, May 27, 2017 2:33 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
The Joe Scarborough show... known most recently for telling us that it was their job to tell us what to think.

I'll pass.

Yep, no surprise there. That's OK though. Your ignorance doesn't change the facts. It never has.

THGRRI

Saturday, May 27, 2017 3:08 AM

John Boehner Says Trump’s Presidency Has Been Mostly A ‘Disaster’

Former House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) isn’t impressed with President Donald Trump.
Speaking at an energy conference in Houston on Wednesday, Boehner did praise Trump on foreign affairs and said he had stepped up the fight against the Islamic State militant group. But he generally gave a grim assessment of the president’s first few months in office, according to energy publication Rigzone.

“Everything else he’s done [in office] has been a complete disaster,” Boehner said.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/john-boehner-donald-trump_us_59284
e05e4b0065b20b63c80

SIGNYM

Saturday, May 27, 2017 10:52 AM

Quote:
The conservative mind has become diseased
By Michael Gerson Opinion writer

This is just a way of discrediting anything a Trump supporter might say by calling them "crazy", and then pretending to be nice by "worrying" about them.

Nothing quite so hypocritical as a liberal "worrying" about the future of the conservative movement!

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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake
THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.
I'll accept your apology any time, THUGR. But I know you're not man enough to give me one

6STRINGJOKER

Saturday, May 27, 2017 11:36 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
This is just a way of discrediting anything a Trump supporter might say by calling them "crazy", and then pretending to be nice by "worrying" about them.

It's called Virtue Signalling. T is very good at it. Most of the SJW crowd is. If you saw any of the crap he was posting the last few days to me, that's exactly what he was doing.

It stems from the Democratic platform of wrapping their campaigning with virtuous slogans like "Hope" and "Change" when that doesn't actually mean anything.

So if you were against Obama, you were against Hope. I think most of us agree that after 8 years of Bush it was definitely time for a change, but if you were against Obama you were also against Change.

So that's what the article was about, huh Sigs.

I think Mr Gerson deserves an award.

JO753

Saturday, May 27, 2017 12:21 PM

Just curious - how much duz Putin pay?

Iz it salary, or per word, or wut?

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DUZ XaT SEM RiT TQ YQ? - Jubal Early

http://www.7532020.com

SIGNYM

Saturday, May 27, 2017 12:28 PM

Okay, JO, I have time to get back to this:

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I admit I wuz fooled by Bush. I didnt pay much attention to politics back then, but even tho I knew he wuz a dimwit, I wuz behind him about going into Afganistan.

About Iraq, not so much, but figured it woud be over in a few weeks, just like Dezert Storm. And I still think its not a bad thing to topple evil dictatorz. Its the follow up that we alwayz get rong!

The BIG lesson that I expected everybody to lern from the Bush yirz iz that we cant hav an idiot in the Oval Offis.

Even if he wuznt an actual clinical idiot, he wuz not smart enuf for the job, wich iz effectively the same az being an idiot.

I've been paying attention to politics since Vietnam.

One thing which has happened over and over is that politicians lie about war. I don't mean that politicians evade or shade facts, I mean that they tell big, fat, juicy, deliberate whoppers. The "attack" in the Gulf on Tonkin that justified Johnsons's escalation of Vietnam ... never happened. Noriega (Panama) wasn't a major drug runner. While Carter was desperately trying to rescue the hostages in Iran, Reagan was making arms deals with the ayatollahs. (If you want to talk about REAL collusion with the enemy during an election, there's an example!) Afghanistan had nothing to do with 9-11. Iraq slant-drilling into Kuwait wasn't the reason for the Gulf War I. 9-11 wasn't the reason for invading Afghanistan, WMD wasn't the reason for Gulf War II, and Gadaffi wasn't "massacring his own people".

It didn't matter that Johnson was a smart man, he made the "mistake" of escalating Vietnam. It didn't matter that Reagan was an intellectual midget, or that Bush I was smart, or that Bush II was drug-burned. Obama was smarter than Bush II, but he made the same "mistakes" in Libya and Syria that Bush made in Iraq and Afghanistan. The problem isn't lack of IQ, JO.

We'll only know what the REAL problem is if we know the REAL reasons for war. Whatever the reason is, it's not stupidity. Don't ever think that the people who are running the show are stupid.

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Obviously that lesson haz not been lerned by enuf uv us. Trump iz an outrite idiot, straddling the border uv insanity. The perfect puppet for an evil genius.

Trump is not the problem. Who is behind ours wars, JO?

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A segjestion for you: If you dont want us to think you are a Putin operativ, at least admit hiz crimez and that he iz not interested in helping America. -JO

I think I answered the second part (OF COURSE he isn't interested in helping us!). As far as Putin's "crimes" I only know of one: the taking of Crimea. But still, the people there seem pretty happy about it. Other than that, what?

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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake
THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.
I'll accept your apology any time, THUGR. But I know you're not man enough to give me one

6STRINGJOKER

Saturday, May 27, 2017 12:43 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by JO753:
Just curious - how much duz Putin pay?

Iz it salary, or per word, or wut?

I just phoned him earlier J0. He's holding my Russian bride on layaway.

What do you think? Ain't she a beauty?

SIGNYM

Saturday, May 27, 2017 12:46 PM

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!

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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake
THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.
I'll accept your apology any time, THUGR. But I know you're not man enough to give me one

JO753

Saturday, May 27, 2017 3:48 PM

OK, Yakov, I can see how the pay mite be worth the work & risk!

The latest bit uv evidens haz MSNBC running commercial free. Here'z Lawrence O'donald to tell you about it:

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DUZ XaT SEM RiT TQ YQ? - Jubal Early

http://www.7532020.com

THGRRI

Saturday, May 27, 2017 7:16 PM

Stay tuned for more of Jacks insights, a troll update defending Trump, followed by some here calling this a witch hunt while blaming Hillary for whatever.

SIGNYM

Saturday, May 27, 2017 7:24 PM

Yep, AFTER THE ELECTION, Kushner tried to establish a confidential communications channel with a foreign power LIKE MOST PRESIDENTS DO.

JO, THUGR, try to stop hyperventilating for a bit, okay?

The Trump transition team was preparing to do exactly what it said it was going to do: Try to find common ground with Russia, and fight ISIS. Personally, I'm all for it. I don't see any reason to (1) destroy nations willy- nilly, (2) antagonize Russia for no reason, and (3) use ISIS as our proxy in the Middle East. The headlines may as well have read TRUMP TRANSITION TEAM PREPARES TO IMPLEMENT PLATFORM PLANK. I happen to be all for it because I think it's good for America.

Just because you don't LIKE that policy doesn't make it "treason". You have to show ....as you have not yet done ... how that might be bad for America. Also, show that it was deliberately against our interests. Will you ever get to "step two"? 'Cause you've been stuck at "step one" for four months now.

Now, I can show you top security people and Presidents who HAVE broken the Constitution and lied about it and have made ruinous decisions. Some of those people ... well, let's just say that they're still lying today. When are you going to start noticing THAT as treason?

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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake
THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.
I'll accept your apology any time, THUGR. But I know you're not man enough to give me one

SIGNYM

Saturday, May 27, 2017 7:37 PM

By the way, JO .... like KIKI, I'm still waiting for "evidens".

Because, yanno, I'll stack up my evidence against yours any day.

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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake
THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.
I'll accept your apology any time, THUGR. But I know you're not man enough to give me one

SIGNYM

Saturday, May 27, 2017 7:43 PM

Quote:

GSTRING, Oh Wise One, I have a question for YOU that I doubt that you'll answer: You're unhappy with our politicians. Clearly, you must have a better plan in mind! So, what should our politicians DO, vis-a-vis Russia? Bomb Russia in Syria? Just go straight to bombing Russia itself? - GSTRING

Dripping with condescension as always... thanks you!= GSTRING

You're welcome!

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My Plan: We should start killing as many innocent people as possible... using my new invention: Baby Bombs.

Seriously though...

My "plan?" I guess I'm not as naive as you to think that any of us having a "plan" means anything. Other than maybe to show off your plan to show how smart you think you are. It's just another kind of religion: the Practicing Elitist, imho. "Look at my great car, look at my cool house, my designer dog, and here's my plan to save the world - aren't I just the greatest?"
So, sorry hon, plans mean very little if not zip from people like us. I do have hopes though. I hope the smarter, better part of our country wins out over the shitty, selfish people. You want a real revelation?!? I want the same thing for the Russian people. Putin, Trump - guess what camp I put them in?= GSTRING

OK, so no plan. Got it

I noticed that about you, GSTRING- you'll attack from the side, but never say what you're FOR. That way you an disavow anything with .... I never said that.

Your answer was worthy of condescension!

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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake
THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.
I'll accept your apology any time, THUGR. But I know you're not man enough to give me one

THGRRI

Saturday, May 27, 2017 7:57 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Yep, AFTER THE ELECTION, Kushner tried to establish a confidential communications channel with a foreign power LIKE MOST PRESIDENTS DO.

JO, THUGR, try to stop hyperventilating for a bit, okay?

The Trump transition team was preparing to do exactly what it said it was going to do: Try to find common ground with Russia, and fight ISIS. Personally, I'm all for it. I don't see any reason to (1) destroy nations willy- nilly, (2) antagonize Russia for no reason, and (3) use ISIS as our proxy in the Middle East. I happen to be all for it because I think it's good for America.

Just because you don't LIKE that policy doesn't make it "treason". You have to show ....as you have not yet done ... that not only was this against America's interests (define our interests) but that it was deliberate. You've been stuck at "step one" for three or four months now.

Now, I can show you top security people and Presidents who HAVE broken the Constitution and lied about it and have made ruinous decisions. Some of those people ... well, let's just say that they're still lying today. When are you going to start noticing THAT as treason?

SIGNYM

Saturday, May 27, 2017 8:07 PM

Good to know that YOU think treason is funny!

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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake
THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.
I'll accept your apology any time, THUGR. But I know you're not man enough to give me one

SIGNYM

Saturday, May 27, 2017 8:13 PM

Well, since THUGR just excluded himself from reasonable conversation ... wait, what am I saying? He did that a long time ago!

I guess this is for YOU, JO:

To give you an idea of what I mean, the man who talked about people being lured into treason unknowingly ... Brennan .... was the same guy who HIMSELF committed treason by accessing the Senate Intelligence Committee computers - the CIA acting as a spy agency within the borders of the USA (itself against the law) not to investigate a crime (which would belong with the FBI) but to interfere with our political process on CIA oversight. And lied about it.

Was the same guy who lied about the CIA not having a torture program.

“As far as the allegations of the CIA hacking into Senate computers, nothing could be further from the truth… We wouldn’t do that. I mean, that’s just beyond the, you know, the scope of reason in terms of what we do.”

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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake
THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.
I'll accept your apology any time, THUGR. But I know you're not man enough to give me one

THGRRI

Saturday, May 27, 2017 8:13 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Good to know that YOU think treason is funny!

Really SIG, you're going with that? Don't you think maybe that's like the pot calling the kettle black? There are years worth of posts here of you defending Russia and me calling you on it. So really comrade, you're going with that?

SIGNYM

Saturday, May 27, 2017 8:21 PM

Tell me, THUGR, what did YOU think of the invasion of Iraq? And did all of that collective hysteria turn out to be GOOD for America?

I'll bet dollars to donuts that you won't answer either question.

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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake
THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.
I'll accept your apology any time, THUGR. But I know you're not man enough to give me one

THGRRI

Saturday, May 27, 2017 8:59 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Tell me, THUGR, what did YOU think of the invasion of Iraq? And did all of that collective hysteria turn out to be GOOD for America?

I'll bet dollars to donuts that you won't answer either question.

No no comrade. That's subjective, deflective and off topic. Trumps son in law tried to work with the Russians to open a direct line of communication with the Kremlin. Within SIG, within the Russian Embassy. One that bypasses American intelligence and the American people. He was going to visit the Embassy whenever he need to speak directly with Putin. And, on his disclosure form to gain his clearances to see our intelligence reports he lie about it. If True, that's treason. It's all coming down on your head here comrade. You won't be able to show your face without people jumping all over you troll.

SIGNYM

Saturday, May 27, 2017 9:38 PM

Quote:
No no comrade. That's subjective, deflective and off topic. Trumps son in law tried to work with the Russians to open a direct line of communication with the Kremlin. Within SIG, within the Russian Embassy.

OMG!!! COMMUNICATION WITH RUSSIA!

OH, THE HORROR!

BWHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake
THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.
I'll accept your apology any time, THUGR. But I know you're not man enough to give me one

6STRINGJOKER

Saturday, May 27, 2017 9:47 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by JO753:
OK, Yakov, I can see how the pay mite be worth the work & risk!

A month ago I wouldn't have gotten that. I saw some Yakov standup on YouTube one day recently in the backround while just letting YT run while I was doing some work. Pretty funny stuff but I could see why he didn't last very long since most of his platform was based around one joke.

So somebody please explain Jeff Foxworthy to me!!!!! How is he the richest comedian that ever was???? Why do people even find him funny???????

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The latest bit uv evidens haz MSNBC running commercial free.

Commercial free! That must mean it's really important, like the season premier of Alias was.

Quote:
The premiere episode aired uninterrupted commercial-free for 69 minutes. There were only commercials before and after the show for Nokia. In syndication, this episode is sometimes cut down to fit into a normal 60-minute timeslot with commercials.

Say what you will about Trump, but he has been extremely kind to MSNBC in terms of ratings.

http://variety.com/2017/tv/news/msnbc-fox-news-ratings-cable-news-cnn-
1202440320/

Quote:
For the first time in its history, MSNBC ranked number one in both total viewers and the key adults 25-54 demographic during primetime for a full week among the big three cable news networks, according to Nielsen data.

For the week of May 15, MSNBC averaged 2.44 million viewers with 611,000 in the key demo from 8 p.m.-11 p.m., beating out CNN and Fox News in both measures.

Before anybody celebrates, keep in mind that if Firefly had twice those numbers that it would have been canceled after one se.... oh..... yeah.... :(

Quote:
Firefly premiered in the U.S. on the Fox network on September 20, 2002. By mid-December, Firefly had averaged 4.7 million viewers per episode and was 98th in Nielsen ratings. It was canceled after eleven of the fourteen produced episodes were aired.

4.7 million viewers and it was 98th in Nielson ratings....

That means that even though anybody on any side watching the news and hanging out with like minded people watching the news might feel like everybody else is in on it, when the truth is that most people just really don't care. MSNBC gets number 1 of the big MSM outlets for the first time in history and it doesn't even come close to the top 100 watched shows for the week.

100 shows? How much of that is "reality" TV? Trump should have stayed in TV if he wanted to keep the ratings.

SIGNYM

Saturday, May 27, 2017 11:42 PM

Quote:
For instance: I just said, in that post, that one you just responded to, what I was for.- G

Yup, ice cream and rainbows coming out of unicorn's asses. How did you say that again? Oh, yes ...

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I do have hopes though. I hope the smarter, better part of our country wins out over the shitty, selfish people.

Yeah, me too.

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Go ahead, dazzle with your PLAN for World peace! Let us be amazed at you great big ideas that will work beautifully in a forum but get crushed under the immense weight of The Real World. G'head! Make us LAUGH!- GSTRING

No, that would be JO's platform. You see, he has worldwide ambitions: global population control, global greenhouse gas reductions, global end to poverty.

Me? I don't think the USA can guarantee world peace. Hell, it can't even guarantee whirled peas. What we CAN do is promise to stop bombing people in the guise of "helping" them, get our own nation in order, and provide practical open-handed assistance (not just "foreign aid" that recycles right back into our corporations or military) to those who ask.

So yeah. Your plan, again? I have one, and it doesn't even involve world domination. What about you?

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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake
THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.
I'll accept your apology any time, THUGR. But I know you're not man enough to give me one

6STRINGJOKER

Sunday, May 28, 2017 12:42 AM

Why would I bother reading a bunch of partisan bullshit from either side, is the question I want to know the answer to.

I can think for myself just fine.

What I have noticed is that people like me, yanno... those with the ability to form their own opinions without being told what to think by the MSM... we're finding ourselves on an entirely different side of the political spectrum over the years because everything has shifted based off of what the MSM has told us to believe.

I came to this forum 12 years ago and was one of the largest detractors of GWB and Conservatives on this board.

What changed?

The MSM brainwashing is what. From both sides.

Anybody claiming that I'm illiterate and/or stupid automatically loses the argument. Especially when it comes to modern MSM click bait.

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Sunday, May 28, 2017 2:42 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
Quote:
ev·i·dence
'ev?d?ns/
noun
noun: evidence
1.the available body of facts or information indicating whether a belief or proposition is true or valid.
"the study finds little evidence of overt discrimination"
I don't think anonymous gossip can be used to indicate whether anything at all is valid. I sure hope you don't either.
HAHAHAHA!

How is that faint hope working out for you 2, in regards to this thread?

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Sunday, May 28, 2017 3:00 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
Quote:
Originally posted by JO753:
OK, Yakov, I can see how the pay mite be worth the work & risk!
A month ago I wouldn't have gotten that. I saw some Yakov standup on YouTube one day recently in the backround while just letting YT run while I was doing some work. Pretty funny stuff but I could see why he didn't last very long since most of his platform was based around one joke.

So somebody please explain Jeff Foxworthy to me!!!!! How is he the richest comedian that ever was???? Why do people even find him funny???????
Quote:
The latest bit uv evidens haz MSNBC running commercial free.
Commercial free! That must mean it's really important, like the season premier of Alias was.
Quote:
The premiere episode aired uninterrupted commercial-free for 69 minutes. There were only commercials before and after the show for Nokia. In syndication, this episode is sometimes cut down to fit into a normal 60-minute timeslot with commercials.
Say what you will about Trump, but he has been extremely kind to MSNBC in terms of ratings.

http://variety.com/2017/tv/news/msnbc-fox-news-ratings-cable-news-cnn-
1202440320/
Quote:
For the first time in its history, MSNBC ranked number one in both total viewers and the key adults 25-54 demographic during primetime for a full week among the big three cable news networks, according to Nielsen data.

For the week of May 15, MSNBC averaged 2.44 million viewers with 611,000 in the key demo from 8 p.m.-11 p.m., beating out CNN and Fox News in both measures.
Before anybody celebrates, keep in mind that if Firefly had twice those numbers that it would have been canceled after one se.... oh..... yeah.... :(
Quote:
Firefly premiered in the U.S. on the Fox network on September 20, 2002. By mid-December, Firefly had averaged 4.7 million viewers per episode and was 98th in Nielsen ratings. It was canceled after eleven of the fourteen produced episodes were aired.
4.7 million viewers and it was 98th in Nielson ratings....

That means that even though anybody on any side watching the news and hanging out with like minded people watching the news might feel like everybody else is in on it, when the truth is that most people just really don't care. MSNBC gets number 1 of the big MSM outlets for the first time in history and it doesn't even come close to the top 100 watched shows for the week.

100 shows? How much of that is "reality" TV? Trump should have stayed in TV if he wanted to keep the ratings.

O'Reilly used to have 2.8 million viewers, but the Extreme Libtard Brothers Lochlan and James Murdoch are working feverishly to destroy and dismantle FOX News, so where can thinking people go to instead?

Yes, I understand you are trying to make a point about the lack of impact, however you are discounting the fact that those other 100 shows are drive-by fluff - they are not for thinking people. The thinking people are now searching for News worth watching.

6STRINGJOKER

Sunday, May 28, 2017 3:21 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by G:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
Why would I bother reading a bunch of partisan bullshit from either side, is the question I want to know the answer to.

Geezus - you can't understand anything if you don't have any actual fucking knowledge. Unbelievable. You have no clue about actually studying and understanding something do you? Everything is like a pop song to you, "I like it, I don't like it." This isn't Dancing with the Stars df.

==============================

Then stop acting like it is Dancing With The Stars, G.

Maybe somebody would have taken you seriously about your opinions on Trump if you weren't whining about it being the end of the world from day one.

6STRINGJOKER

Sunday, May 28, 2017 3:23 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
O'Reilly used to have 2.8 million viewers, but the Extreme Libtard Brothers Lochlan and James Murdoch are working feverishly to destroy and dismantle FOX News, so where can thinking people go to instead?

Yes, I understand you are trying to make a point about the lack of impact, however you are discounting the fact that those other 100 shows are drive-by fluff - they are not for thinking people. The thinking people are now searching for News worth watching.

Though I don't necessarily agree that "thinking people" watched O'Reilly regularly anymore than I believe that "thinking people" watch Rachel Maddow, I see what your point is.

Let me know if you ever find something worth watching on either side, because I don't see anything.

There is actually quite a bit more than 100 shows weekly that people watch on average than any of the news outlets. The recent numbers for MSNBC finally becoming the top network for one week were just barely half of what Firefly was getting on a weekly basis, and that was a failed show at 98th place in the Neilson rankings.

There's still a gap of well over 2 million viewers between Firefly and the top performing news outlet, which would mean that there were quite a bit more than 100 shows that were watched by more people any given week than the news.

The fact that most of that is drive-by fluff just solidifies my point. Most people aren't "thinking people" or at least they tune out of politics in general.

Just something for everybody to keep in mind. Most people you know aren't paying any attention at all.

1KIKI

Sunday, May 28, 2017 4:01 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
ev·i·dence
'ev?d?ns/
noun
noun: evidence
1.the available body of facts or information indicating whether a belief or proposition is true or valid.
"the study finds little evidence of overt discrimination"
I don't think anonymous gossip can be used to indicate whether anything at all is valid. I sure hope you don't either.

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
HAHAHAHA!

Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
How is that faint hope working out for you 2, in regards to this thread?

This thread was supposed to be about all that evidence of ... something. I'm waiting too see it.

But I'm curious what people think that Trump has actually DONE. It looks like some of his surrogates tried to open up lines of communication with Putin. I can see how that would be helpful to avoid all out war with Russia. For example: "Vlad, I'm pretty sure they didn't do it but everyone here's howling about how Syria supposedly chemically attacked a small, non-strategic village. I have to do SOMEthing to get people off my back, politically speaking. How about I bomb a Syrian airfield? Can we not escalate from that?" Talking to the Russians, especially Putin, could be a real world-saver. And hell, even Reagan privately talked with Gorbachev. (And from thence came the START missile treaty. http://www.nytimes.com/1987/12/09/politics/09REAG.html?pagewanted=all&
amp;mcubz=1 https://www.armscontrol.org/act/2004_07-08/Reagan)

It's not treason for Trump to talk with Putin. Or even illegal.

So - what has Trump DONE that people are so upset about?

Originally posted by G:
"I coined the slogan "We Suck!"© many years ago."
G is an avowed Putin-loving, pro-Russian, anti-American troll.

JO753

Sunday, May 28, 2017 6:09 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
It's not treason for Trump to talk with Putin. Or even illegal.

If you arent going to watch any real newz even wen we link to it here, its going to take a lot uv typing to spell it all out for you.

Sig & 6 both posted the same uninformed comment, so I'll ansr:

1.There are alredy established communication channelz.

2. Kushner & Flynn were trying to set up a secret communication channel uzing the Kremlin'z secure system. The only reazon to do that woud be to hide it from our intel ajensyz. The only reazon to do that iz kuz they hav private dealz going on with the Russianz.

3. Jared didnt also try to establish secret communication channelz with any other country.

4. This iz so wakky that even Kislyak wuz suprized.

Sins Flynn wuz in on the meeting in Trump Tower, it cant be dismissed az merely Jared being naive and stoopid. That only leavez DESPERATE, further evidensed by the date - early Desember.

It only gets worse the more you know. There iz no innosent 'O! Thats why!' fact in this little story.

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DUZ XaT SEM RiT TQ YQ? - Jubal Early

http://www.7532020.com

1KIKI

Sunday, May 28, 2017 6:35 AM

Quote:
1.There are alredy established communication channelz.

link please

Quote:
2. Kushner & Flynn were trying to set up a secret communication channel uzing the Kremlin'z secure system.

link please

Quote:
3. Jared didnt also try to establish secret communication channelz with any other country.

link please; also, explain in detail how that's a problem

Quote:
4. This iz so wakky that even Kislyak wuz suprized.

link please; also, explain in detail how that's a problem

Quote:
That only leavez DESPERATE

so you say

Jo - IT'S NOT TREASONOUS, OR EVEN ILLEGAL, FOR TRUMP TO TALK WITH PUTIN, OR TRY TO TALK WITH PUTIN.

I keep waiting for the big reveal - what did Trump DO that was so bad?

But not only have you failed to provide any evidence, you can't even point to a genuine issue.

Originally posted by G:
"I coined the slogan "We Suck!"© many years ago."
G is an avowed Putin-loving, pro-Russian, anti-American troll.

SIGNYM

Sunday, May 28, 2017 10:11 PM

I repeat my previous reaction: The headlines may as well have said

TRUMP BEGINS TO IMPLEMENT PLATFORM PLANK

There was nothing "secret" about his desire to find areas of overlapping concern (i.e. ISIS) and to work with Russia on dealing with them.

Here's an example: We have a common problem with ISIS (supported by Qatar) and al Qaida, which is funded, armed, and supplied by Saudi Arabia. Despite our increased internal oil production, we still depend on imports for about 38% of our oil, and Saudi Arabia is our second-largest supplier, and pillar of the petrodollar system. Because any interruption in oil supply and dollar flow would be a crippling blow, Saudi Arabia has our Mideast policies by the short hairs.

So, what if we could develop a competing supplier of oil? You know, someone like ... Russia? There is little love lost between Saudi Arabia and Russia, and if we could get the two nations to compete against each other that would put us in a stronger position. I don't see the downside to THAT, do you?

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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake
THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.
I'll accept your apology any time, THUGR. But I know you're not man enough to give me one

6STRINGJOKER

Sunday, May 28, 2017 11:19 PM

Risking T and G adding me to the list of Communists in here, that seems reasonable to me Signy.

To J0....

I won't bother even asking for links to anything you say in here because nobody ever actually has any proof of any of these allegations. The best they could do for months now themselves is cite "anonymous sources" or "one official said".

There is no accountability for the Press anymore. It's all about ratings. And it's working! MSNBC was top dog for the first time in history. Trump becoming president was the best thing that ever happened to MSNBC.

Anything Team Trump has been accused of doing is provable because you can't hide your tracks on the internet. It's one of the main reasons I wouldn't even look in to purchasing a VPN. They advertise them as secure and anonymous, but there is no such thing online. If the government wants to know what you're up to, they know what you're up to.

My belief is that people who are stupid and/or paranoid enough to actually pay a monthly fee for a VPN are only putting themselves on a Government watch list that they wouldn't have been on had they not linked their credit card to it. A kind of Orwellian "if you're not doing anything wrong, than what are you trying to hide" mindset.

I've said on these boards at least three times that I want to see Trump impeached so we can get to the bottom of this. I'm a big boy and can admit when I'm wrong. I don't think I am, but I'm sure as shit getting sick of having this same conversation every single day.

JO753

Monday, May 29, 2017 4:07 AM

I'm dun.

If you 3 are going to refuze to look at the evidens and then say I'm not providing any, this thred turnz to pure churn.

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DUZ XaT SEM RiT TQ YQ? - Jubal Early

http://www.7532020.com

6STRINGJOKER

Monday, May 29, 2017 4:37 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by JO753:
I'm dun.

If you 3 are going to refuze to look at the evidens and then say I'm not providing any, this thred turnz to pure churn.

It's not my job to look at evidence. I'm not prosecuting or defending the case. I'm just getting tired of hearing the same old nothing each and every day for going on half a year now.

Impeach him. Prove his innocence or guilt. Move on as a country.

Don't expect me to play the MSM game for the next 4 to 8 years though.

And don't be surprised when everybody loses interest either.

6STRINGJOKER

Monday, May 29, 2017 4:38 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by G:
Common sense train wreck.

Yep. That pretty much sums you up in 4 words.

6STRINGJOKER

Monday, May 29, 2017 4:47 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by G:
Translation: "It's not my job to understand!"

Sure. I don't understand why they haven't been able to bring one actual legitimate claim against Trump in 6 months. It's not my job to worry about it.

Quote:
"I'm just getting tired of hearing the same old nothing each and every day for going on half a year now." = Jack
Then stop watching - no one is forcing you.

I don't watch any news. I get to hear crybaby college kids and people like you bring this up everyday.

Quote:
"Impeach him. Prove his innocence or guilt. Move on as a country." - Jack
Awww, are we inconveniencing you Jack? It sucks that this isn't instant isn't it? Someone flip a coin already!

What more do you want from me? I've already said that I can admit it if I'm wrong and I'm perfectly fine with an impeachment. Ball is in your court libs. Stop whining and get to work.

Quote:
I won't be surprised when people like you loose interest. Thank god there's enough other people that will continue to try and find what the eff is happening.==============================

LOL... and what exactly are you personally doing to find out what the eff is happening G? Watching Maddow every night?

Thanks for doing your part. [/sarcasm]

1KIKI

Monday, May 29, 2017 4:49 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by JO753:
I'm dun.

If you 3 are going to refuse to look at the evidence and then say I'm not providing any, this thread turns to pure churn.

Your so-called 'evidence' is still anonymous gossip, Jo, no matter how many times you try to redefine the word 'evidence'.

MEANWHILE, I've been asking over several different threads - what has Trump DONE that's illegal?

Can you answer that?

Originally posted by G:
"I coined the slogan "We Suck!"© many years ago."
G is an avowed Putin-loving, pro-Russian, anti-American troll.

SIGNYM

Monday, May 29, 2017 10:11 PM

JO, I'm with KIKI on this.

There's a reason why there are different words ... like "hearsay", "allegation", and "evidence", and that's because they really are different things.

Second-hand, third-hand statements (or statements even further removed from the source) don't count as "evidence". In a courtroom, they would be called "hearsay" and not even brought up.

Evidence includes sworn testimony to eyewitness events (i.e. "I saw it myself"), permanent or unaltered records (telephone records, travel receipts, audio recordings etc.) or physical items.

You speculating on "what people said" in the media, who are themselves speculating on what someone else in the media said, who themselves may be referring to what someone else wrote, which may or may not be an accurate representation of what an anonymous source said, which might or might not be a lie ... well, it's the equivalent of a bum in the alley with a hot stock tip. It might even be true! But unless it could be verified in some way it would NEVER be called evidence.

I agree that one can can glean meaningful information from the media, but at this point I wouldn't call it "evidence". (If you want to know what I WOULD call "evidence", see above: sworn testimony etc) The information that I get from "the media" is that they are conducting a smear campaign and hellbent on bringing Trump down, in collusion with some in the security state. And there are a lot of gullible people around who can be fooled by a relentless media campaign, such as preceded the destruction of Iraq, because they ASSUME that the media is interested in telling them "the truth", instead of some sort of useful narrative. (At this point, you should be asking - "useful to whom?")

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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake
THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.
I'll accept your apology any time, THUGR. But I know you're not man enough to give me one

JO753

Tuesday, May 30, 2017 5:49 AM

Did sumwun snag your eyeballz with fishing hooks & linez and they forse you to look at this every few owrz?

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DUZ XaT SEM RiT TQ YQ? - Jubal Early

http://www.7532020.com

SIGNYM

Tuesday, May 30, 2017 6:30 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by JO753:
Did sumwun snag your eyeballz with fishing hooks & linez and they forse you to look at this every few owrz?

Who are you posting to?

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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake
THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.
I'll accept your apology any time, THUGR. But I know you're not man enough to give me one

1KIKI

Tuesday, May 30, 2017 7:23 AM

What ARE you talking about?

Originally posted by G:
"I coined the slogan "We Suck!"© many years ago."
G is an avowed Putin-loving, pro-Russian, anti-American troll.

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