The Evidens
POSTED BY: JO753
UPDATED: Monday, February 14, 2022 07:11
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Originally posted by 1kiki:
THUGGER IS A PATHOLOGICAL LIAR.
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I've got another article titled "Let's Cut the Crap About Why Hillary Clinton Lost"
www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2017/06/lets-cut-crap-about-why-hillary
-clinton-lost
Kevin Drum boils it down to:
Hillary Clinton was running for a third Democratic term with an OK but not great economy. Most models predicted a roughly 50-50 race.
In the end, despite everything, she still outperformed the models and won the popular vote by 2 percent.
The Comey letter cost her 2-3 percent, and the other stuff probably cost her another couple of points. Without those things, she wins in a landslide and cruises into the White House.
Quote:Come to think of it, if the average American voter cared at all about "MORE WAR", as Signym does, then Obama would have lost his second election. Obama had given Americans "MORE WAR". On the other side, Mitt Romney had never given anybody any war at all. Yet Romney lost despite being without sin.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:I read the article when SECOND trotted it out, which was shortly after Clinton's loss. There WERE many other factors, but according the Nate Silver, he tracked a change in polling numbers right after Comey came out with Oh dear we found 60,000 more emails on Huma's laptop
Originally posted by JO753:
Thanks for proving youre an idiot.
From the 2nd paragraf uv article:Quote:
The letter isn’t the only reason that Clinton lost.
Encompassez every other factor.
So, for Nate anyway, it wasn't the Russians. Or at least, they weren't the nail in the coffin. Now, in MY humble opinion, the reason why Hillary lost was because the people thought she was an untrustworthy, more of the same candidate ... NOW, with MORE WAR!
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Originally posted by second:
Come to think of it, if the average American voter cared at all about "MORE WAR", as Signym does, then Obama would have lost his second election. Obama had given Americans "MORE WAR". On the other side, Mitt Romney had never given anybody any war at all. Yet Romney lost despite being without sin.
Mitt Romney didn't campaign on MORE WAR. Hillary did. Our current animosity toward Russia wasn't even a thing for decades until the final leg of the election when Hillary started it.
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Quote:6stringJoker, where the hell did you get the idea that animosity toward Russia wasn’t even a thing for decades until Hillary started it? There is zero truth in what you wrote.
Originally posted by 6stringJoker:Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Come to think of it, if the average American voter cared at all about "MORE WAR", as Signym does, then Obama would have lost his second election. Obama had given Americans "MORE WAR". On the other side, Mitt Romney had never given anybody any war at all. Yet Romney lost despite being without sin.
Mitt Romney didn't campaign on MORE WAR. Hillary did. Our current animosity toward Russia wasn't even a thing for decades until the final leg of the election when Hillary started it.
www.washingtonpost.com/politics/how-the-republican-right-found-allies-
in-russia/2017/04/30/e2d83ff6-29d3-11e7-a616-d7c8a68c1a66_story.html
Maybe Americans suddenly changed to wanting a pacifist like Trump for President after Romney lost and Americans started opposing war? Except Trump is no pacifist and Americans are not opposed to war. Well if they did become pacifists, why aren't Americans picketing against Trump's Mother of All Bombs? There is no picketing against Trump's drone strikes, either. "Trump Admin Ups Drone Strikes, Tolerates More Civilian Deaths"
www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/trump-admin-ups-drone-strikes-tolerates-m
ore-civilian-deaths-n733336
It can't be true that Americans voted for peace candidate Trump since he actually was very enthusiastic about using nuclear weapons before the election. That is not how a peace candidate acts. And after the election Trump is increasing the Pentagon’s budget. That is not what a peaceful president would do.
https://thinkprogress.org/9-terrifying-things-donald-trump-has-publicl
y-said-about-nuclear-weapons-99f6290bc32a
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Quote:Thanks for proving you're a liar. AGAIN.
Originally posted by JO753:
Thanks for proving youre an idiot.
From the 2nd paragraf uv article:Quote:
The letter isn’t the only reason that Clinton lost.
Encompassez every other factor.
From your link
Quote:Do you see Russia there, Jo?
The letter isn’t the only reason that Clinton lost. It does not excuse every decision the Clinton campaign made. Other factors may have played a larger role in her defeat, and it’s up to Democrats to examine those as they choose their strategy for 2018 and 2020.
But the effect of those factors — say, Clinton’s decision to give paid speeches to investment banks, or her messaging on pocket-book issues, or the role that her gender played in the campaign — is hard to measure.
The impact of Comey’s letter is comparatively easy to quantify, by contrast.
And Jo, why in god's name would you lie about something you've linked? How much of an idiot do you have to be to do that?
Originally posted by G: "I coined the slogan "We Suck!"© many years ago." G is an avowed Putin-loving, pro-Russian, anti-American troll.
You have a very treasonous view of how justice in the US should work, THUGGER. In fact, you have many other treasonous views as well. You hate the election process and want to void it, you really dislike freedom of speech and want to lock people up who pract
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Originally posted by second:
6stringJoker, where the hell did you get the idea that animosity toward Russia wasn’t even a thing for decades until Hillary started it? There is zero truth in what you wrote.
Russia hasn't been on anybodies radar since I was a kid and Gorbachev tore down the wall. I'm sure things have always been going on and our intelligence agencies have always had an eye on them, but your average American did not equate Russia with either Evil or War until Hillary started talking about them in the debates.
That is truth. Just because you've wrapped yourself up in the Anti-Russia cape the MSM gave you the last 6-8 months, you shouldn't forget it.
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Originally posted by second:
There is no picketing against Trump's drone strikes, either. "Trump Admin Ups Drone Strikes, Tolerates More Civilian Deaths"
Yeah. Where was the MSM and Liberal Outrage when Obama was president and the exact same title could have been printed with Obama's name instead of Trump's?
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I no its a waste uv time, but I'll try to explain it for you 1kiki.
The 538 article iz not about TrumPutin, its about why the Comey letter can be be singled out az the immediate cauze uv Hillary loozing the election. Its very long az it iz. If Nate went into the Russian influens, it woud turn into a book.
Sure, if Hillary had made better choisez, the Comey letter may hav not been enuf to looz. If Russia hadnt brot her favorabilty rating down so far, it may not hav been enuf.
Suppoze sumwun haz severe hart trubl, and canser. If you shoot him in the arm and he diez from the shock and blood loss, the fact that the bad hart and cansr weakening him enuf to make the bullet fatal duznt mean it wuznt the bullet that killed him.
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:I read the article when SECOND trotted it out, which was shortly after Clinton's loss.
MAY 3, 2017 - 6 months after the election on this planet. Where are you?
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So, for Nate anyway, it wasn't the Russians.
False premise.
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Or at least, they weren't the nail in the coffin.
True.
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Now, in MY humble opinion, the reason why Hillary lost was because the people thought she was an untrustworthy, more of the same candidate ... NOW, with MORE WAR!
Thats the perseption Putin worked so hard to nurture.
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The next thing likely to kum out will be connectionz between Steve Bannon, Kellyanne Conway and Putin'z operation.
They appear to be the proponents uv Trump's desision to pull out uv the Paris accord. Not that I think he woud hav made a different desision without their influens kuz he iz still just Putin'z puppet. I am saying they hav provided strong evidens uv a connection by favoring the bad-for-America/good-for-Russia move.
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What did Trump do that was so bad?
Quote:And, without indication WHAT you're talking about, you go on about you 'evidence'.
Originally posted by 1kiki:
Jo - IT'S NOT TREASONOUS, OR EVEN ILLEGAL, FOR TRUMP TO TALK WITH PUTIN, OR TRY TO TALK WITH PUTIN.
I keep waiting for the big reveal - what did Trump DO that was so bad?
But not only have you failed to provide any evidence, you can't even point to a genuine issue.
Quote:So, I ask again ...
Originally posted by JO753:
1) I'm dun.
If you 3 are going to refuze to look at the evidens and then say I'm not providing any, this thred turnz to pure churn.
Quote:BUT, having derailed off your ordinal topic, you swerve towards Comey ...
Originally posted by 1kiki:
Your so-called 'evidence' is still anonymous gossip, Jo, no matter how many times you try to redefine the word 'evidence'.
MEANWHILE, I've been asking over several different threads - what has Trump DONE that's illegal?
Can you answer that?
Quote:And, trying to close out your original claims, Signy asks
Originally posted by JO753:
2) https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-comey-letter-probably-cost-cl
inton-the-election/
Quote:.. And you reply ...
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
So ... it WASN'T the Russians???
Quote:Is that your sleazy way of trying to imply that Nate Silver said it was, Jo?
Originally posted by JO753:
3) Thanks for proving you didnt bother to read the article.
It sure seems like it was, because when I (correctly) said Silver said no such thing
Quote:you replied
There was nothing in the article about Russia changing the election results.
Quote:Except Silver failed to mention Russia.
4) Thanks for proving youre an idiot.
From the 2nd paragraf uv article:
"The letter isn’t the only reason that Clinton lost."
Encompassez every other factor.
And now, after 1) evading, 2) evading, 3) lying, and 4) lying, you've now moved on to - MORE OF THE SAME!
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Originally posted by JO753:
The 538 article iz not about TrumPutin (then why did you keep saying it was, Jo?), its about why the Comey letter can be be singled out az the immediate cauze uv Hillary loozing the election. Its very long az it iz. If Nate went into the Russian influens, it woud turn into a book. (Except Silver didn't even MENTION Russia as being relevant, Jo, like he mentioned THINGS HILLARY DID.)
Sure, if Hillary had made better choisez, the Comey letter may hav not been enuf to looz. If Russia hadnt brot her favorabilty rating down so far, it may not hav been enuf. (Where is that EVIDENCE, Jo? You seem to not have found any.)
So, let's get back to what Silver ACTUALLY SAID
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But the effect of those factors — say, Clinton’s decision to give paid speeches to investment banks, or her messaging on pocket-book issues, or the role that her gender played in the campaign — is hard to measure.
Quote:Suppose Hillary HADN'T given those speeches, and then, on top of that, refused to release the contents, Jo? Suppos
Suppoze sumwun haz severe hart trubl, and canser. If you shoot him in the arm and he diez from the shock and blood loss, the fact that the bad hart and cansr weakening him enuf to make the bullet fatal duznt mean it wuznt the bullet that killed him.
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