Norway bombing/shooting

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NIKI2

Friday, July 22, 2011 9:16 PM

Gawd, how awful! Why Norway, we wondered?? What I heard is that Norwegian newspapers continue to publish cartoons that anger Muslims, but that just didn't seem enough reason to go after a bunch of kids on an island. Reading this explained the car bomb, but still not the islane shooting... My heart goes out to them all.

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A bomb ripped open buildings in the heart of Norway's government Friday, and a man dressed as a police officer opened fire at an island youth camp connected to the ruling party. At least seven people were killed in the blast and nine more in the camp shootings, the peaceful nation's worst violence since World War II.

Oslo police said 9 or 10 people were killed at the camp on Utoya island, where the youth wing of the Labor Party was holding a summer camp for hundreds of youths. Acting Police Chief Sveinung Sponheim says a man was arrested in the shooting, and the suspect had been observed in Oslo before the explosion there.

Sponheim said police were still trying to get an overview of the camp shooting and could not say whether there was more than one shooter.

Aerial images broadcast by Norway's TV2 showed members of a SWAT team dressed in black arriving at the island in boats and running up the dock. Behind them, people stripped down to their underwear swam away from the island toward shore, some using flotation devices.

In Oslo, the capital and the city where the Nobel Peace Prize is awarded, the bombing left a square covered in twisted metal, shattered glass and documents expelled from surrounding buildings.

Most of the windows in the 20-floor high-rise where Prime Minister Jens Stoltenberg and his administration work were shattered. Other buildings damaged house government offices and the headquarters of some of Norway's leading newspapers.

Stoltenberg was working at home Friday and was unharmed, according to senior adviser Oivind Ostang.

Oslo University Hospital said 12 people were admitted for treatment following the Utoya shooting, and 11 people were taken there from the explosion in Oslo. The hospital asked people to donate blood.

The attacks formed the deadliest day of terror in Western Europe since the 2005 London bombings, which killed 52 people.

Sponheim wouldn't give any details about the shooting suspect, who he said was dressed in a police uniform when he opened fire into a crowd of youths.

A spokesman for Stoltenberg's Labor Party, Per Gunnar Dahl, said he couldn't confirm that there were fatalities at Utoya, about 60 miles (100 kilometers) northwest of Oslo. The party's youth wing organizes an annual summer camp on the island, and Stoltenberg had been scheduled to speak there Saturday.

"There are at least five people who have been seriously wounded and have been transported to a local hospital," Dahl said. He said the shooting "created a panic situation where people started to swim from the island" to escape.

Police blocked off roads leading to the lake around Utoya. An AP reporter was turned away by police about 5-6 kilometers from the lake, as eight ambulances with sirens blaring entered the area.

In Oslo, police said the explosion was caused by "one or more" bombs, but declined to speculate on who was behind the attack. They later sealed off the nearby offices of broadcaster TV 2 after discovering a suspicious package.

Ian Dutton, who was in a nearby hotel, said the building "shook as if it had been struck by lightning or an earthquake." He looked outside and saw "a wall of debris and smoke."

Dutton, who is from New York, said the scene reminded him of Sept. 11 — people "just covered in rubble" walking through "a fog of debris."

"It wasn't any sort of a panic," he said, "It was really just people in disbelief and shock, especially in a such as safe and open country as Norway, you don't even think something like that is possible."

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MINCINGBEAST

Friday, July 22, 2011 9:36 PM

I'm almost certain that this crime was committed by overweight, middle class white males. Who admire Bachman and Rand. Almost, because it just as easily may be the fault of the jews. Or those crazed mooslims.

Whenever there is a tragedy on this scale, I have to remind myself collective guilt is silly. White dudes/jews/muslims did not, in the aggregate, commit this crime. I am not very persuasive, however, and will likely spend at least a few days wishing for a convenient opportunity to commit a hate crime.

OLDENGLANDDRY

Friday, July 22, 2011 10:30 PM

Aparently the gunman is Norwegian.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-14256712

AURAPTOR

Friday, July 22, 2011 10:35 PM

Govt building bombed ? Why, it must have been some angry white christian. Again. We know how they do, after all.

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

MINCINGBEAST

Friday, July 22, 2011 10:44 PM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

Govt building bombed ? Why, it must have been some angry white christian. Again. We know they they do, after all.

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

Haha, beat you to it, you angry white Christian. And if you're not Christian, you ought to be. And if you're not angry, fuck Ron Paul.

AURAPTOR

Friday, July 22, 2011 11:18 PM

" Somehow, 'I told you so', just doesn't quite say it." - Will Smith ( I Robot )

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

KWICKO

Friday, July 22, 2011 11:53 PM

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OSLO, Norway (AP) — Norway's peace was shattered twice Friday when a bomb ripped open buildings in the heart of its government and a man dressed as a police officer gunned down youths at a summer camp. Police linked one Norwegian to both attacks, which killed a total of at least 16 people in this nation's worst violence since World War II.
Police said they did not know the motive or whether the attacks were the work of one person or a terrorist group, but Justice Minister Knut Storberget said the man who opened fire at the youth camp is Norwegian.

Huh.

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

MINCINGBEAST

Saturday, July 23, 2011 12:14 AM

"Norwegian" and "crazed muslim" are not mutually exclusive. You're racist to suggest so! "Norwegian" may mean anyone in Norway, not just those Aryan types (who must be exterminated, the filthy blonde monsters).

AURAPTOR

Saturday, July 23, 2011 12:14 AM

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"Global Jihad" group says it's behind Oslo blast

A group called "Helpers of Global Jihad" has taken responsibility for the bomb which ripped open buildings, including the prime minister's office, in Norway's capital, CBS News has learned.

It is apparently the same local shadowy extremist group that the Stockholm bomber in December 2010 had said he was connected to.

In the 2010 Stockholm blast, the bomb, in a backpack, went off prematurely and the bomber blew himself up. However, the bomber had left behind a video protesting the Afghanistan war and the killing of Muslims.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43861108

Huh.

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

MINCINGBEAST

Saturday, July 23, 2011 12:19 AM

Your "huhs" are like the grunts of copulating gay bears, who are in love.

Go at it.

KWICKO

Saturday, July 23, 2011 1:34 AM

Last I heard, several groups had claimed responsibility, and none of their claims have been verified.

FREMDFIRMA

Saturday, July 23, 2011 4:11 AM

The suspect in question is Anders Behring Breivik, and he is, as expected, a hardcase right wing nutter.

Oh golly gee, who'da thunk it.

ETA: And this just in.

Norwegian Terrorist Is An Anti-Islam, Christian Nationalist
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2011/07/norwegian-terrorist-was-anti-is
lam.html

Of course, *I* still think the primary threat of terrorism comes from our so-called-protectors, but the lunacy of the hard right should never be discounted as a threat.

-Frem

KWICKO

Saturday, July 23, 2011 8:54 AM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Govt building bombed ? Why, it must have been some angry white christian. Again. We know how they do, after all.

So it would seem.

"Religion of peace", and all that.

OLDENGLANDDRY

Saturday, July 23, 2011 8:56 AM

As Auraptor puts down his sword of Righteousness and backs slowly away from the thread, we await the innevetable "MKultra Brainwashing" post from PN.

MAGONSDAUGHTER

Saturday, July 23, 2011 11:35 AM

Geez, this is awful. 94 dead, mainly kids at a summer camp. The world can sure seem like a shitty place at times.

AURAPTOR

Saturday, July 23, 2011 12:03 PM

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Last I heard, several groups had claimed responsibility, and none of their claims have been verified.

Name them.

If it turns out to really be as reported, then that's 1 for the Christians, to how many hundreds, thousands, for the Muslims ?

All it means is that there are others willing to stoop to such barbaric levels, and now the Islamic Jihadists have company.

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

SIGNYM

Saturday, July 23, 2011 2:04 PM

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that's 1 for the Christians

You almost made that sound like it's something to be proud of, altho I'm sure it just came out wrong.

KWICKO

Saturday, July 23, 2011 2:21 PM

It's *ANOTHER* "1 for the christians" - just another in a long line.

That Christianity is so willing to stoop to such barbaric levels will have no impact on you at all, though. You'll forgive so-called Christians every time, and blame Muslims every time, as you've already shown.

HKCAVALIER

Saturday, July 23, 2011 2:41 PM

Please, you two, don't turn this into another Christian/Muslim Despicable-off. Please. This is a horrible and unprecedented atrocity--can we let it be such, for a few days at least?

Remember kids: Religions don't kill people, people kill people and use religion to justify it to themselves and others. Religion for these psychos is pure retcon.

We all know Christians who point to the Bible as the foundation of their morality of kindness and generosity toward others, quoting chapter and verse. And we all know Christians who point to the Bible as the foundation of their morality of intolerance and hate, quoting chapter and verse. Same goes for Muslims and the Quran.

WHAT DOES THAT TELL US ABOUT THE FREAKIN' BOOKS, guys?

It tells us that these religions are the source of neither peace nor hatred. It's the people wielding the religion that are the source of the evil or the good they do in the world.

HKCavalier

Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.

KWICKO

Saturday, July 23, 2011 2:46 PM

So Norway has been struck by Christian fundamentalist terrorists.

Will they respond by invading Canada in retaliation?

That would make as much sense as the U.S. invasion of Iraq in response to the 9/11 attacks...

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

KWICKO

Saturday, July 23, 2011 2:47 PM

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It tells us that these religions are the source of neither peace nor hatred. It's the people wielding the religion that are the source of the evil or the good they do in the world.

Someone finally got the point. It's not about the RELIGION, it's about the ZEALOUS FOLLOWERS.

SIGNYM

Saturday, July 23, 2011 2:48 PM

The books that you point to are full of mixed messages that can be used to justify pretty much anything. There ARE books that are full of pure intolerance and hatred, though, so at some point books themselves can be a problem.

NEWOLDBROWNCOAT

Saturday, July 23, 2011 3:21 PM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Govt building bombed ? Why, it must have been some angry white christian.

Dis is gonna be embarrassin'.

That fits the profile of the principle suspect. Only you left out the anti-immigrant, gun nut part.

NIKI2

Saturday, July 23, 2011 4:06 PM

Jezus, what an awful thing...and that people's immediate thought is "It must be Muslims", "Haha it's the right wing", etc., is sad. Which kind of extremist he is means nothing to the dead and wounded, and the death toll last I heard was 92--85 from the island alone! I can't conceive of it, and I still can't figure out why he went after those kids. A government building, yeah, that makes sense, but innocent kids on an island? To hunt them down like animals? I'll have to catch up on the news (just got up) to see if there are any answers. Gawd, the world has turned to shit. Somehow I expect the Scandinavian countries to be free of this sort of thing...and as I heard one survivor (of the Oslo blast) say yesterday: "This is the kind of thing that happens in America or the Middle East, not HERE".

I don't care who did it or why, it's a tragedy of enormous proportions and my heart goes out to the families of those kids.

Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
signing off

NIKI2

Saturday, July 23, 2011 4:13 PM

I just realized something; this should end anyone wondering about Raptor, as to whether he's got any common sense and how obsessive he is about Muslims. In that way he's almost PN. That anyone's immediate response to this is to think it's Muslims isn't surprising; but when they find out it was a right-winger instead, for the only reaction to be "That's one for the Christians..." isn't sane. It speaks to an obsession that not just colors, but BLINDS him to anything else.

Thus, anyone who tries to reason with him should recognize from now on that they are pissing in the wind, and arguing with his blind insanity almost puts people on the same level as him, in my opinion. Just something that crossed my mind as I went down the thread.

Okay, found an answer to "why" the kids in this cretin's mind. Apparently it was a Summer camp for kids run by the ruling Labor Party. Sick, sick.

Jim remarked about the "one for the Christians": "It's almost worse. That sonofabitch is too cowardly to do anything but bitch." (measning about Muslims) Obviously it's not, but...

They're learning more about this madman which is beginning to fill out his motives:

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A picture is emerging, gleaned from official sources and social media, of a right-wing Christian fundamentalist who may have had an issue with Norway's multi-cultural society.
....

Breivik is a member of the Oslo Pistol Club and has three weapons registered in his name, according to leading Norwegian newspaper VG, citing Norway's official weapons register. They are a Glock pistol, a rifle and a shotgun, VG reported.
.....

He was a youth and adult member of the conservative Fremskrittspartiet (FrP) or Progress Party, VG newspaper reports, remaining involved until 2007. The party's most prominent manifesto pledge is to minimize immigration.

His membership was confirmed by a senior party member, Jonas Kallmyr, who is quoted by VG as saying that encountering Breivik was "like meeting Hitler before World War II."
.....

A post in Breivik's name on an online forum, Document.no, from December 2009, talks about non-Muslim teenagers being "in an especially precarious situation with regards to being harassed by Islamic youth."
.....

"The conservatives dare not openly express their viewpoints in public because they know that the extreme Marxists will trump them. We cannot accept the fact that the Labour Party is subsidising these violent "Stoltenberg jugend", who are systematically terrorising the politically conservative," the post reads.

He is making a reference to the youth movement of Prime Minister Jens Stoltenberg, who heads the Labour Party. http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/europe/07/23/norway.suspect/index.html?h
pt=hp_t1]

Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
signing off

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AURAPTOR

Saturday, July 23, 2011 11:13 PM

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Originally posted by SignyM:
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that's 1 for the Christians
You almost made that sound like it's something to be proud of, altho I'm sure it just came out wrong.

It only sounds that way in YOUR head, because that's not even remotely the way it was said.

Where as Beslan was a coordinated attack by a well organized group of muslim terrorists , this appears to be the work of 1 lone nut case.

Not even on the level of Tim McVeigh, who wasn't using Christianity as his reason to murder, and had accomplices.

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You'll forgive so-called Christians every time, and blame Muslims every time, as you've already shown.

Forgive 'so-called' Christians every time? ( well, not even this ONE time ). Nope. Blame Muslims ? hell yeah. That I will do , every time, especially when they specifically state that is their intended goal, and then they go out and do exactly what they said they were going to do, over and over and over again.

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

KWICKO

Saturday, July 23, 2011 11:44 PM

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Blame Muslims ? hell yeah. That I will do , every time

Even when it's done by Christians, you admit you'll still blame Muslims.

How very enlightened of you.

MAGONSDAUGHTER

Saturday, July 23, 2011 11:47 PM

The responses on this thread make me really sad.

KANEMAN

Sunday, July 24, 2011 2:06 AM

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Originally posted by mincingbeast:
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Originally posted by AURaptor:

Govt building bombed ? Why, it must have been some angry white christian. Again. We know they they do, after all.

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

Haha, beat you to it, you angry white Christian. And if you're not Christian, you ought to be. And if you're not angry, fuck Ron Paul.

As a dog eater myself...I think Ron Paul should be left out of it...and I like my christians with butter

KANEMAN

Sunday, July 24, 2011 2:09 AM

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
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Blame Muslims ? hell yeah. That I will do , every time

Even when it's done by Christians, you admit you'll still blame Muslims.

How very enlightened of you.

Kwicko, despite my new "niceness" I have to call snarky bullshit....I don't think that was EVER admitted.....and kaneman tells it like it is..

JAMERON4EVA

Sunday, July 24, 2011 4:40 AM

So suddenly one nutjob is the representation of EVERY SINGLE Christian in the world? So your also saying that all of Germany, every single man woman and child, even the ones burned to death, and shoit for aiding Allies, and Jews, are as evil as Hitler? At the same time, you can't solely place blame on another group, no it falls squarely on one man, the man who did this. And you ALL are doing EXACTLY WHAT HE WANTS.

"Mom, he has her chip. He has her."
John Connor,"Born To Run", TSCC EP 2x22

"We mustn't over stimulate young minds. Das ist verboten!" - Rappy

PIRATENEWS

Sunday, July 24, 2011 5:00 AM

New video by US Dept of Fatherland Security:

US Govt says the new terrorists are "white middle class Christian Tea Partiers" in video by lesbian Communist Jewish fuhrer of US Dept of Homeland Security For Wide Open Borders And Arming 30,000 Mexican Narcoterrorists With Automatic Weapons:
http://www.infowars.com/dhs-video-characterizes-white-americans-as-mos
t-likely-terrorists/

“White Alqaeda” targeted as western governments turn terror apparatus inward
http://www.oldthinkernews.com/?p=1944

"Christian" Luciferian kosher Freemason in false flag massacre in Victim Disarmament Zone for the jew banksters
http://www.infowars.com/norway-killer-anders-behring-breivik-was-a-fre
emason/

Russia Today: ‘Caution! Watch out for false flags’ – Oslo attacks:

Evidence Shows Norway Terror Attack a False Flag
http://www.infowars.com/evidence-shows-norway-terror-attack-a-false-fl
ag/

The alleged shooter/bomber "confessed" so cops stopped investigating EVERYONE else...

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At least 85 people died when a gunman opened fire at an island youth camp in Norway, hours after a bombing in the capital Oslo killed seven, police say.

Police have charged a 32-year-old Norwegian man over both attacks.

The man dressed as a police officer was arrested on tiny Utoeya island after an hour-long shooting spree.

Local media report that police are investigating claims by witnesses that a second person was involved, apparently not disguised in a police uniform.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-14259356

Just like Columbine, Ft Hood, MLK, RFK and JFK, no investigation is allowed into extra shooters during False Flag attacks, as confessed in Operation Gladio and Operation Northwoods.

The Youth Camp Massacre was a massacre of Future Communists of Norway in the Labor Party. Good riddance?

Begging for his life: Chilling image of terrified teenager pleading for mercy from 'neo-Nazi' killer standing astride bodies
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2017938/Norway-attacks-Survivors-tell
-police-attacks-different-areas-Utoya.html

FREMDFIRMA

Sunday, July 24, 2011 5:57 AM

I think the point was that throwing blame before investigating was idiotic, leastways that's the one I intended - it's kind of an ongoing argument between me and some of the security down at DTW that while they're busy shaking down imams and cab drivers that sooner or later some fresh faced whitey-rightey is gonna waltz right through their illusion of security and do something nasty...

Thing is, most of the manner in which this garbage is addressed is again, the wrong end of the telescope, like a lot of issues these days - there *IS* no security that'll make the world perfectly safe, not without making it no place to live in, and it still wouldn't be universally effective even then - far better to address the root causes of producing individuals so screwed up between the ears they'll do shit like this.

Which brings me to the current whinge and whine, about how long the response to the incident in question took.

Look, there *IS* no such thing as being ready for something like that, it is by definition impossible without becoming so completely paranoid you might as well just dig a hole and crawl in - and creating the illusion of protection by formenting a security state right out of Orwell isn't the answer either, not to mention it doesn't freakin work and your own so-called-protectors end up being a greater threat to you than anything external or internal ever will be.

People like to blame the easy things, politics, religion, availability of the tools, devices and whatnot used... but frankly that's got shit to do with it, cause once a person is so mentally far gone that they're looking TO do something like this, we as humans and societies have already fucked it up beyond question - and reluctance to admit that culpability is WHY the easy things are blamed.

The Wellsprings of Horror in the Cradle
http://www.alice-miller.com/articles_en.php?lang=en&nid=46&grp=11

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Whoever they are and however dreadful their crimes, deep down inside every dictator, mass murderer, terrorist cowers the humiliated child they once were, a child that has only survived through the complete and utter denial of its feelings of helplessness. But this complete denial of suffering once borne creates an inner void. Very many of these people will never develop a capacity for normal human compassion. Thus they have few if any qualms about destroying human life, neither that of others nor the void they carry around inside themselves.

It is both simpler and more complex than that - we do shit to them, they grow up, and they do shit to us.
Oh they find their causes, their reasons, but the capacity, the ability, and the will to hate ENOUGH, to cause such bitter harm to other humans...
That is *learned behavior*, and they learn it from us.

You'd think, as bloody obvious as it is, to the point where scientific evidence of the damage is available, to where scans show PHYSICAL CHANGES in the brains of mistreated people...
That maybe we'd stop teaching it to them.
But no, as always, the insistence, on a scale personal and national, always comes back to the excuse of not being brutal ENOUGH.
Ain't it long past time we broke the cycle of stupid ?

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“As long as the child will be trained not by love, but by fear, so long will humanity live not by justice, but by force. As long as the child will be ruled by the educator’s threat and by the father’s rod, so long will mankind be dominated by the policeman’s club, by fear of jail, and by panic of invasion by armies and navies.”

Boris Sidis, from “A lecture on the abuse of the fear instinct in early education” in Journal of Abnormal Psychology, 1919.

-Frem

I do not serve the Blind God.

PIRATENEWS

Sunday, July 24, 2011 7:24 AM

Norway Oil Fund divests from Israeli companies
http://www.jpost.com/Headlines/Article.aspx?id=185712

Camp In Norway Where Shooting Occurred Had Just Concluded Pro-Palestinian Rally The Day Before. The Palestinians must have their own state, the occupation must end, the wall must be demolished and it must happen now, said the Foreign Minister to cheers from the audience...
http://theintelhub.com/2011/07/23/breaking-camp-in-norway-where-shooti
ng-occurred-had-just-concluded-pro-palestinian-rally-the-day-before/

Labour’s summer camp opens. Around 1,000 young supporters of Norway’s Labour Party were making their way over to Utøya this week, an island in the Tyrifjord that’s often viewed as an incubator for future Labour Party leaders. Detractors call it a breeding ground for a relatively small clique of would-be power mongers. Newspaper Vårt Land, however, recently put another slant on the Utøya camp, reporting that the Labour Party historically is run by a tight network of politicians linked by family relations, marriage and friendships who also have a tendency to take on key roles not only in government but in business and Norway’s powerful bureaucracy as well.
http://www.newsinenglish.no/2011/07/21/labours-summer-camp-opens/

Something rotten in the state of Norway. Al-Jazeera TV notes that Norwegian prosecutors on Tuesday filed a terrorism charge against Mullah Krekar, founder of the Kurdish [WAHABI JEWISH] Islamist group Ansar al-Islam. Corriere Della Sera reports (Italian) that the terrorist group Ansar al-Jihad al-Alami has claimed responsibility for the explosion in Oslo with a message on a jihadi forum, blaming the presence of Norway in Afghanistan and "insults" to the prophet Muhammad. Al Qaeda claims responsibility on Twitter (Swedish). More on Twitter (Swedish site): Abu Suleiman al-Nasser, "Today, Norway was targeted in order to serve as a lesson and example for the rest of the nations of Europe." The New York Times quotes the Islamist group taking responsibility. In addition to all these media outlets reporting the carnage as an Islamist terrorist attack was CBS News: "Global Jihad" group says it's behind Oslo blast. A group called "Helpers of Global Jihad" has taken responsibility for the bomb which ripped open buildings, including the prime minister's office, in Norway's capital, CBS News has learned. Here is how it stands now: "Authorities say he posted on Christian fundamentalist websites and reportedly held right-wing, anti-Muslim views. He was also once a member of the youth wing of a rightist party." It seems that, as the McVeigh bombing essentially destroyed the America militia movement, the European "rightwing" anti-Islam, anti-immigrant movement may also be stopped in its tracks now by this attack.
http://freethoughtnation.com/contributing-writers/63-acharya-s/561-som
ething-rotten-in-the-state-of-norway.html

There is no right to carry a firearm for self defense in Norway Victim Disarmament Zone
http://www.moneyteachers.org/Norway+Gun+Laws.htm

OLDENGLANDDRY

Sunday, July 24, 2011 7:38 AM

I refer you to my earlier post.

MAGONSDAUGHTER

Sunday, July 24, 2011 7:59 AM

Kind of interesting times that we initially think 'Islamic Fanatic' every time something horrible happens. Shows how finely tuned our radars are to that kind of terrorism.

In the 80's, when I lived in Europe, the threats were very different. The UK was on constant alert for IRA terrorism, and if you were Irish, you were treated with suspicion, if not contempt.

Spain has the Basque militants, ETA, and in the 70's the Baader Meinhof gang.

Then you have your lone militant, like this man appears to be, someone who operates alone or in a small cell, fanatics who may be politically or religiously motivated, or just plain mentally ill.

We've had a number of those down here, mainly fitting into the mentally ill category, Martin Bryant at Port Arthur and Julian Knight in Melbourne.

I agree with Frem. You can't go around in a constant state of high alert. Life would be too horrible.

Sad day for Norway.

OLDENGLANDDRY

Sunday, July 24, 2011 10:34 AM

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-14266815

KWICKO

Sunday, July 24, 2011 12:33 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by jameron4eva:
So suddenly one nutjob is the representation of EVERY SINGLE Christian in the world? So your also saying that all of Germany, every single man woman and child, even the ones burned to death, and shoit for aiding Allies, and Jews, are as evil as Hitler? At the same time, you can't solely place blame on another group, no it falls squarely on one man, the man who did this. And you ALL are doing EXACTLY WHAT HE WANTS.

"Mom, he has her chip. He has her."
John Connor,"Born To Run", TSCC EP 2x22

"We mustn't over stimulate young minds. Das ist verboten!" - Rappy

You don't really do subtlety, do you?

I was using "RapLogic™" to point out to Rappy and others that what you describe is EXACTLY what they do every single time they blame the entire Muslim religion for the acts of its worst followers. If they represent every single Muslim in the world, then yes, this guy represents the entirety of Christianity.

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

AURAPTOR

Sunday, July 24, 2011 12:36 PM

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
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Blame Muslims ? hell yeah. That I will do , every time

Even when it's done by Christians, you admit you'll still blame Muslims.

How very enlightened of you.

Never happened.

The report came out, not by me, that a muslim group had claimed responsibility.

Why would they do such a thing, if they weren't the ones behind it ?

What do Barack Obama and the Norway killer have in common? If you don't know they're Christian, libs get enraged. - James Taranto, via Twitter.

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

PIRATENEWS

Sunday, July 24, 2011 2:22 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by oldenglanddry:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-14266815

Quote:
"He says that he was alone but the police must verify everything that he said. Some of the witness statements from the island have made us unsure of whether there was one or more shooters."

He said police were not looking for anyone else at the moment - though they had not ruled out that the suspect might have had help.

Mr Sponheim confirmed that the maximum time Mr Breivik could face in prison under Norwegian law is 21 years.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-14266815

HAHAHA... 3 months is the max sentence allowed per murder... Now that's deterrence!

If you were a criminal in a conspiracy, and you wanted to protect that conspiracy, would you rat on that conspiracy?

If you were a detective investigating a crime, would you instantly believe the word of a mass murderer?

Funny how eyewitnesses see other gunmen at political "lone nut" shootings.

http://www.infowars.com/norway-killer-anders-behring-breivik-was-a-fre
emason

Quote:
"The Third World War must be fomented by taking advantage of the differences caused by the "agentur" of the "Illuminati" between the political Zionists and the leaders of Islamic World. The war must be conducted in such a way that Islam (the Moslem Arabic World) and political Zionism (the State of Israel) mutually destroy each other. Meanwhile the other nations, once more divided on this issue will be constrained to fight to the point of complete physical, moral, spiritual and economical exhaustion. We shall unleash the Nihilists and atheists, and we shall provoke a formidable social cataclysm which in all its horror will show clearly to the nations the effect of absolute atheism, origin of savagery and of the most bloody turmoil. Then everywhere, the citizens, obliged to defend themselves against the world minority of revolutionaries, will exterminate those destroyers of civilization, and the multitude, disillusioned with Christianity, whose deistic spirit will from that moment be without a compass (direction), anxious for an ideal, but without knowing where to render its adoration, will receive the pure light through the universal manifestation of the pure doctrine of Lucifer, brought finally out in the public view, a manifestation which will result from the general reactionary movement which will follow the destruction of Christianity and atheism, both conquered and exterminated at the same time."
-Jewish General Albert Pike the Pope of Freemasonry, on a plan for world conquest, written in a letter to Mafia founder Mazzini dated August 15, 1871
http://geraldcelentechannel.blogspot.com/2010/07/albert-pike-letter-to
-mazzini.html

"You must conceal all crimes of your brother Masons, and should you be summoned as a witness against a brother Mason be always sure to shield him. It may be perjury to do this, it is true, but you're keeping your obligations."
-Ronayne Handbook of Masonry, page 183

"When a mason learns the key to the warrior on the block is the proper application of the dynamo of living power, he has learned the mystery of his craft. The seething energies of Lucifer are in his hands and before he may step upward, he must prove his ability to properly apply energy."
-Manly P. Hall,33°, The Lost Key of Freemasonry, p.48

"The Blue Degrees are but the court of portico (porch) of the Temple. Part of the symbols are displayed there to the initiate, but he is intentionally mislead by false interpretations. It is not intended that he shall understand them; but it is intended that he shall imagine that he understands them. Their true explication is reserved for the Adept, the Princes of Masonry."
-General Albert Pike, Morals and Dogma in the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite

"If your wife child, or friend should ask you anything about your invitation - as for instance, if your clothes were taken off, if you w

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OLDENGLANDDRY

Sunday, July 24, 2011 3:52 PM

Yawn.

NIKI2

Sunday, July 24, 2011 4:37 PM

OldEngland, I agree; this back and forth, and PN's never-ending bullshit, is terribly . What happened deserves our horror and sympathy, not political crap. I'm on to other threads with (hopefully) more substance.

Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
signing off

NIKI2

Sunday, July 24, 2011 4:54 PM

Meanwhile, back to reality:

Quote:
A rambling, 1,500-page manifesto purportedly written by the suspect in Friday's bloody terror attacks in Norway lays out right-wing extremist views and vows that a "European civil war" will lead to the execution of "cultural Marxists" and the banishing of Muslims.

While the title page of the document says "By Andrew Berwick," the writer later identifies himself as Anders Behring Breivik, the suspect in the Norwegian terrorist attacks.

The document, which is part political diatribe, part confessional and part action plan, details Breivik's background and his plans to commit Friday's attacks. It also contains various photos of him.

"If you are concerned about the future of Western Europe you will definitely find the information both interesting and highly relevant," the author writes, adding later that the work took him nine years to complete.

CNN could not independently verify that the document was written by Breivik. But police told the Norwegian newspaper VG that the document is "linked" to Friday's attacks.
.....

"The manifesto was released on the same day the atrocities happened," Acting National Police Chief Sveinung Sponheim told reporters Sunday.

"It's also new to us. We will look into the details of the manifesto."

Geir Lippestad, who identified himself as the suspect's lawyer, told Norwegian broadcaster TV2 that Breivik believed the attacks were "horrible" but "necessary," and would explain himself in court Monday.

Norwegian authorities have not commented on a possible motive behind the terror attacks.

In the manifesto, the author vilifies Prime Minister Jens Stoltenberg and his Labour Party, which has majority control in Norway's government, accusing the party of perpetuating "cultural Marxist/multiculturalist ideals" and indoctrinating youth with those ideals. The author accuses the Labour Party of embracing those ideals and therefore allowing the "Islamification of Europe."

But a recent study refutes the author's stance.

Europe as a whole is actually set to be about 8% Muslim in 2030, according to massive study released last year by the Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life in Washington. The authors said part of the reason for the project was to refute ill-informed estimates about Muslim population advances.

"There has been a lot of speculation about the growth of the Muslim population around the world, and many of those who speculate don't have good data," said Brian Grim, a senior researcher at the Pew Forum. "The data that we have isn't pointing in the direction of 'Eurabia' at all," Grim said.

The rate at which the world's Muslim population is growing is slowing down, he argued. "Instead of a runaway train, it's trending with the general global population," he said.

The manifesto speculates about would happen if the author were to survive "a successful mission and live to stand a multiculturalist trial."

"When I wake up at the hospital, after surviving the gunshot wounds inflicted me, I realize at least for me personally, I will be waking up to a world of shit, a living nightmare," the author wrote.

"Not only will all my friends and family detest me and call me a monster; the united global multiculturalist media will have their hands full figuring out multiple ways to character assassinate, vilify and demonize."
.....

The document is titled "2083: A European Declaration of Independence," a date that the author later explains is the year he believes an European civil war will end with the execution of cultural Marxists and the deportation of Muslims.

This "civil war" would come in three phases, he predicts. The first runs through 2030 and includes "open source warfare, military sh

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OLDENGLANDDRY

Sunday, July 24, 2011 7:29 PM

One thing PN did point out (in his own wierd way) was that the maximum sentence for murder in Norway is 21 years, which means that with time off for good behaviour brievig could be out before he's 50. In the meantime he will spend his time in jail writing his own "Mien Kampf" and becoming an iconic hero of the Neo-Nazi movement.
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/norway-attack-suspects-manifesto-hatred-13190
6296.html

Sorry if this is basically a repeat of what NIKI just posted.

NIKI2

Sunday, July 24, 2011 8:21 PM

Not a repeat, and I did notice the sentencing time. HOPEFULLY he'll get sentenced for each individual murder, which will end the matter (unless he can publish from jail!).

Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
signing off

PIRATENEWS

Sunday, July 24, 2011 10:04 PM

UPDATE: THE FACEBOOK PAGE POSTED BY THE CORPORATE MEDIA IN ENGLISH IS NOT THE REAL WEBPAGE OF THE SHOOTER. JEWISH FACEBOOK DELETED THE SHOOTER'S WEBPAGE IN THE NORWEGIAN LANGUAGE AFTER THE SHOOTING. THIS ENGLISH VERSION DELETING HIS LIBERAL ZIONIST ISRAEL-LOVING POLITICS WAS REPLACED BY AN ALLEGED "CONSERVATIVE CHRISTIAN" AND POSTED ON FACEBOOK AFTER THE SHOOTER'S ARREST. POLICE KNEW THE SHOOTER'S NAME BEFORE ARRESTING HIM, AND CALLED HIM BY NAME DURING THE ARREST WITHOUT SHOOTING HIM AT THE CRIME SCENE. POLICE GAVE THE SHOOTERS 90 MINUTES TO COMPLETE THEIR JOB, ALLOWING OTHER SHOOTERS TO ESCAPE. THE SHOOTER ADMITTED HE IS PART OF A LARGE CONSPIRACY OF CELLS, YET POLICE AND MEDIA ARE ALLEGING HE'S A LONE NUT. THE SHOOTER'S ALLEGED 1,500-PAGE MANIFESTO WAS COPIED VERBATIM FROM THE MANIFESTO OF TED "UNABOMBER" KAZINSKI WHO WAS ADMITTEDLY A CIA MIND CONTROL VICTIM DONATED AS A MEDICAL EXPERIMENT BY HIS PARENTS. WHY KILL 100 WHITE ARYAN CHILDREN WHO WILL BE LEADERS OF A WHITE NATION, WHEN YOU ARE ALLEGEDLY AGAINST DARK-HAIRED DARK-SKINNED FOREIGNERS? THE NORWEGIAN PRIME MINISTER IS JEWISH. THE SHOOTER TRAVELED TO ENGLAND FOR PROGRAMMING BY MI6 WHO RUNS THE IRA TERROR BOMBERS IN BRITAIN.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/norway/8655175/Oslo-e
xplosion-live-coverage.html
http://www.infowars.com/police-knew-gunmans-name-before-arrest/
http://www.infowars.com/analyzing-the-oslo-attacks-part-three-more-inf
ormation-and-even-more-unclear/

Oslo Bombing: Why Would “Terrorists” Attack Near-Empty Office Building on Public Holiday?
http://www.prisonplanet.com/norway-blast-near-prime-ministers-office-i
n-oslo.html

Massacre gunman posted YouTube video called 'Knights Templar 2083' calling followers to 'embrace martyrdom' six hours before attacks, Sent 12-minute YouTube video to '7,000 patriotic Facebook friends', attacked multiculturalism and Muslim immigration
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2018148/Anders-Behring-Breivik
-posted-YouTube-video-hours-Norway-terror-attacks.html

Lone Norwegian Gunman allegedly writes better English than 99% of USA...

English is NOT the official language of this Norwegian patriot... So why write his patriotic emails attacking immigrants in a language of a foreign nation?

Quote:
Norwegian (norsk) is a North Germanic language spoken primarily in Norway, where it is the official language. From the 16th to the 19th centuries, Danish was the standard written language of Norway.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norwegian_language

English is the official language of the CIA and MI6.

Alleged final entry...

Dial 911 and Die: 90 minute police delay gave killer time to lure some to their deaths in Norway. Breivik dressed as a cop before opening fire on his unsuspecting victims - even luring some to their death by offering help. "So I ran through the forest," he said. "When I came back, I saw a policeman and I thought he could help us. ...There was a girl in front of me, and he shot her. She screamed, and then she died."
-Anders Behring Breivik
www.nydailynews.com/news/world/2011/07/24/2011-07-24_cop_delay_gave_hi
m_90_minutes_to_kill_maniac_lured_some_to_their_death_others_ra.html

Die 911 for Body Bags: So many they need dump trucks...

Man Who Knew Anders Behring Breivik Says He Was Brainwashed [at CIA rendition torture sites]:

Amazing

KWICKO

Monday, July 25, 2011 1:17 AM

Dude's a dead ringer for Alex Jones. No wonder he gives PN such a hard-on.

RIONAEIRE

Monday, July 25, 2011 6:25 AM

This is a true tragedy, all those people killed, especially all those children, its disgusting and no justification can make it anything else. As Niki said the blowing up of government buildings, though distructive, is seen as more understandable, though its not something I would do and I feel bad for the dead, unless there was a specific vendetta and only those involved bought the farm. But blowing up a summer camp, of any kind, is just wrong and no one I know or who is remotely decent would ever support such a thing. I don't know how old the kids were, but they were still kids, (I invoke the magic number theory, dreaded by Frem et al) and so anyone with a conscience knows that its horridly wrong to go blow up a bunch of kids and its seen as different than blowing up government buildings.

My thoughts and prayers are with the families in Norway who are suffering this immense loss of loved ones.

I have things to say about the more political end of the situation, but I will post those in a seperate post tomorrow, away from my sadness at this very sad situation.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

MAGONSDAUGHTER

Monday, July 25, 2011 6:38 AM

Some more on Rightwinged Extremists in Europe.

The man arrested following the attacks in Norway, Anders Behring Breivik, describes himself as a "nationalist", according to the police.

In the purest sense of the word, he is not alone. On this day of grief, Norwegian people have united under their flag, vowing to stand firm against terror.

But the suspect, it seems, is no pure nationalist. Instead, he is said to be a right-wing extremist of the kind that police authorities in the West have feared for some time.

Their fear has been heightened by the potentially explosive mix of economic recession and unemployment, increasing racism and an ever stronger anti-Muslim sentiment, according to the Norwegian newspaper Aftenposten.

Norway's security police reported a mild increase in right-wing extremist activity last year and predicted that such activity would continue to increase throughout this year.

But it also suggested that the movement was weak, lacked a central leader and offered relatively modest growth potential.
Disorganised and chaotic

Though members of the Norwegian far-right movement have carried out attacks in the past, it has historically been a small community, according to neo-Nazi watchers.

The late Stieg Larsson, the Swedish crime writer famous for his Millennium trilogy, was one such expert.

In the mid-1990s, he founded the anti-racist, anti-extremist publication Expo following a sharp rise in violence carried out by neo-Nazis.

In an interview in connection with a documentary I was making at the time, he told me that Sweden was the world's largest producer of so-called White Power Music and other racist propaganda, with an active, fast-growing and violent neo-Nazi movement.

By contrast, the Norwegian neo-Nazis were disorganised and chaotic, he said, citing an example of a large far-right gathering in Sweden attended by a small group of Norwegians.

The Swedes were articulate, organised and smartly dressed, he recalled, whereas the Norwegians, who had arrived by coach, had been drinking all the way during their journey across the border and were thus largely incoherent and shabby in appearance.
Edging into mainstream

Since then, it seems Norwegian far-right extremists have created stronger links with criminal communities, as well as with similar groups abroad, in Europe, Russia and the US.

Sweden, by contrast, has seen a sharp drop in far-right extremist activity since its peak in the mid-1990s, when every national newspaper in the country published identical editions with photos of every known neo-Nazi in the land.

But at the same time, aspects of the far-right agenda have risen to greater prominence on the mainstream political arena, with Expo reporting how the revulsion displayed by the Swedish people during the 1990s is increasingly turning towards a curiosity about toned-down far-right rhetoric.

Similar sentiments have been felt in Norway, where politicians have openly been voicing concerns about how the country's culture might be diluted by immigration from countries with different religions and values.

Following the attacks in Oslo and on Utoeya, it will be interesting to see whether many in the country develop a more sophisticated view of where the greatest threats are coming from, amid a growing realisation that extremism is deadly regardless of nationality, ethnicity or religion.

From BBC News

PIRATENEWS

Monday, July 25, 2011 6:54 AM

US Govt motto played proudly by The Ramones

Libtard Commies kill children for Obama every day in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Somalia, Pakistan.

They can dish it out but can't take it.

As standard SOP for false flag attacks, the Norwegian govt was bombing the same city the same week, in UNANNOUNCED "standard training ops, TERRORIZING the citizens with BOMBS EXPLODING INSIDE THE CITY.

Quote:
Police Had Drilled Setting off Bombs in Same Area a Few Days Earlier

Another telltale critical sign of a false flag operation is the holding of drills or exercises –allegedly for counterterrorism purposes — by the police or the military at the same time as the terror attack, or shortly before the real terror attack begins. Sometimes, the terror drills or exercises are scheduled to begin slightly after the time when the actual terror attack occurs. In these cases, it is often discovered that the self-styled anti-terror drill or exercise contains a simulated action or event which strongly resembles the real world terror attack, the one which actually kills people. The media will then refer to an astounding coincidence or a weird happenstance, but the reality is that the terror drill has been taken live or flipped live in the form of real killings. The secret is that the legally sanctioned drill has been used to conduit or bootleg the actual butchery through a government bureaucracy whose resources are required to run the terror but in which there are many officials who cannot be allowed to know what is happening.

The Norway events provide a very clear illustration of this principle. In Oslo, a powerful bomb went off in or near the building which houses the office of the Prime Minister. Exactly as we would expect, special anti-terror police had been drilling setting off bombs in a nearby part of the Norwegian capital little more than 48 hours earlier. The public had not been informed in advance, but found out what was happening when they began hearing bombs on Tuesday and Wednesday, whereas the main bomb went off on Friday. Here is a report from the newspaper Aftenposten:

“Armed police were seen in the area around the opera house in Oslo, and violent explosions could be heard over large parts of the city. No one knew that this was all a matter of practice. The Information Section of the Oslo police deeply regrets that the public was not made aware of the seemingly dramatic exercise….It was the emergency squad, the national police special unit against terrorism, which was conducting a drill in the cordoned off area at Bjørvika pier. According to a press release from the police, nearly a day after the exercise, the drill consisted of training in the controlled detonation of explosive charges….The exercise will continue for the rest of Wednesday night and a few more explosions are expected….The exercise followed a familiar pattern for all anti-terror forces around the world: The men lowered themselves down from the ceiling and into through the window that had just been blown out, while they fired hand their weapons.”3

Peter Power of Visor Consultants told BBC Radio Five in the wake of the London subway bombings of July 7, 2005 that his firm had been conducting an exercise based on explosions going off in substantially the same stations of the London underground at the same times when the real explosions had actually occurred. The Norwegian events exhibit the same kind of strange coincidence.

A Motive: Norway Had Decided to Stop Bombing Libya August 1...

Are SIMAS Surveillance Detection Units the New Gladio for Norway?

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MAGONSDAUGHTER

Monday, July 25, 2011 11:33 AM

He wanted to implement change through revolution.

He was wanted to end Muslim supremacy in Europe.

Sound familiar....???? Anyone??????????????????????

MAGONSDAUGHTER

Monday, July 25, 2011 11:35 AM

In the aftermath of the twin attacks in Norway, there has been some strident criticism of the speed at which sections of the media linked the attacks to Islamic terrorism.

For example Britain's best-selling The Sun newspaper published a banner headline on Saturday describing the attack as an "Al Qaeda massacre: Norway's 9/11".

By the time the newspaper hit the streets Norwegian police had dismissed any links between the attacker and the jihadist group.

Critics say it is just one example of an entrenched anti-Muslim bias that has developed in the media since the September 11 attacks.

The Macquarie Dictionary defines a terrorist as someone who uses or favours terrorising methods of resisting a government or of governing.

So at first glance the alleged attacker in Norway, who killed at least 93 people and wounded nearly 100 more in Friday's attacks, seems to fit the bill.

His methods clearly terrorised and his message was overtly political.

But it seems the dictionary definition of a terrorist is no longer what is in common usage, at least in some sectors of the media.

"Particularly many of the tabloids and ... the tabloid news sites like to interpret mass acts of terrorism, mass violence, through the prism of Muslim terrorism," said Anthony McClellan, the principal of AMC Media.

"In other words [they assume] the only real big-style terrorists are Muslims. The brand of terrorism is totally linked in their minds to Muslims and what they do.

"The fundamental problem they had was that they got it wrong, which defeats the whole purpose of being accurate journalists and running an accurate media."

Mr McClellan, a former television current affairs reporter, says it is not only the tabloid media - the BBC and other organisations do it as well.

"I believe the Guardian probably engaged in speculation. I think it's more pronounced at the tabloid end," he said.

"But I think they're all guilty of it to that same degree because part of the problem is that those journalists or the editors putting up those headlines ... want to give a very simplistic interpretation of a complex world."

Mr McClellan is not alone in his criticism of the media's reaction.

Blogger and Brown University historian Shiva Balaghi described it as a shameful day for journalism and criticised journalists' reliance on so-called terrorism experts who she says "conduct research by Google" and "tweet a mile a minute".
Quick, simple news

Mr McClellan says the pressure to provide viewers, listeners and readers with a quick, simplistic interpretation has been intensified by the arrival of much more immediate online news and social media.

"It is a conscious effort at that end of the market to feed in what they think their readers want to believe and their prejudices," Mr McClellan said.

But there can be some unintended consequences, according to Julie Posetti, a journalism lecturer at the University of Canberra who has studied the impact of media coverage on Muslims.

"I think it was probably reasonable for people to ask questions about the likely nature of the attacks," she said.

"But asking questions and drawing conclusions and then fanning those conclusions without a skerrick of evidence was irresponsible.

"And more than irresponsible in terms of good journalism practice, it's potentially very damaging to Muslims and people of Muslim background around the world."

In the streets of Oslo on Saturday many Muslims worried the finger of blame would be pointed at them.

Some say they stayed at home, fearing they would suffer some form of reprisal.

"That doesn't surprise me," Ms Posetti said.

"Some of the research I've done has involved interviewing and surveying Muslim women in the Australian setting, particularly focusing on Muslim women.

"Those who adopt traditional Muslim dress, the hijab or the burka, for example, find themselves b

WULFENSTAR

Monday, July 25, 2011 11:42 AM

1. Norway has some of the most stringent gun control laws.

2. The only reason this guy stopped firing was because he was out of bullets.

3. The cops took over 2 hours to arrive.

4. Over 90 dead.

If even ONE other person there had a weapon, things might have been different.

Can't wait to see how this gets spun into needing MORE gun control.

"Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies"

KWICKO

Monday, July 25, 2011 11:56 AM

You can postulate all you want on the "one more gun" theory, but there's one fact you can't refute: If there had been only one LESS gun there, this couldn't have happened.

MAGONSDAUGHTER

Monday, July 25, 2011 12:23 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
1. Norway has some of the most stringent gun control laws.

2. The only reason this guy stopped firing was because he was out of bullets.

3. The cops took over 2 hours to arrive.

4. Over 90 dead.

If even ONE other person there had a weapon, things might have been different.

Can't wait to see how this gets spun into needing MORE gun control.

"Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies"

Norway has a high level of gun ownership. They just have strict laws on licencing and how you keep them. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Norway

Norway has a relatively low crime rate.
This was a camp on an island with young people.
You cannot predict lone wolf violence.
Not everyone wants to be armed to the teeth to prevent the kind of thing that there is 1:1000000000000000 odds of happening.

You are a dick.

WULFENSTAR

Monday, July 25, 2011 12:52 PM

"You are a dick" -Magonsdaughter

Translation: "You are correct, but I can't stand it when someone pokes holes in my worldview of how things are/should be. Since I cannot argue against the basic principle of self-protection, I'll just call you a name."

FIFY

"Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies"

1KIKI

Monday, July 25, 2011 4:51 PM

Magon's

Are you old enough to remember MAD (mutually assured destruction)? Yes, that was a happy time (not) - two countries armed to the teeth ready to annihilate or be annihilated at a moment's notice, death hanging over everyone at the whim of madmen or a result of a simple accident.

That is the society these people want, everyone armed to the teeth ready to annihilate or be annihilated at a moment's notice, death hanging over everyone at the whim of madmen or a result of simple accident.

That they WANT this thing, thinks it's GOOD speaks volumes about the mentality behind the vision.

WULFENSTAR

Monday, July 25, 2011 4:58 PM

"Magon's

Are you old enough to remember MAD (mutually assured destruction)? Yes, that was a happy time (not) - two countries armed to the teeth ready to annihilate or be annihilated at a moment's notice, death hanging over everyone at the whim of madmen or a result of a simple accident.

That is the society these people want, everyone armed to the teeth ready to annihilated or be annihilated at a moment's notice, death hanging over everyone at the whim of madmen or a result of simple accident.

That they WANT this thing, thinks it's GOOD speaks volumes about the mentality behind the vision."

lol

Ok... heres the deal. You are free to go about your daily life, unarmed. Live your life, without a gun, as you see fit.

I, will go about my life, armed. Live my life as I see fit.

I won't force you to have a gun, and you cannot (even if you wanted to, and got the politicians to back you) force me not to.

To be unarmed is a choice you can make, while being armed is a choice I WILL make.

Thats about it.

See? You get to live your life, and I get to live mine, as we see fit to do so.

"Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies"

1KIKI

Monday, July 25, 2011 5:12 PM

I won't bother to point out all the times you berated people for doing NOTHING just because they weren't going to go in to a situation guns blazing. Or about how guns were the solution to an illegitimate presidency. Or about how we were cowards for not joining in the armed revolt ready to happen any day now! You very much see guns as the ultimate solution to every problem on your horizon. And no, you are not nearly as live and let live 'to each his own' as you NOW want us to think you are.

NIKI2

Monday, July 25, 2011 5:31 PM

Riona, everything you said. And more. I can't conceive of the grief going on in Norway today; nobody deserves that. The kids were teenagers, from what I've read.

Magons,

Quote:
But it also suggested that the movement was weak, lacked a central leader and offered relatively modest growth potential. Disorganised and chaotic.

Gee, sounds like our Tea Party.

This guy is nothing but a mentally screwed-up coward who'll go after kids. He wants attention, and unfortunately now he'll get it. The only thing I can say is that by his actions he will unite the country against all of his ilk. Not worth the price, but shows just exactly how far these right-wing extremists will go in their insanity. The pendulum will swing, it always does, it's just a shame how much damage these people do before they're stopped.

PN, all you're good for is making my scrolling finger sore. Your love of drama and horror is truly sad and I wish you could get some help. You have nothing to offer of any validity.

Wulf

Quote:
Translation: "You are correct, but I can't stand it when someone pokes holes in my worldview of how things are/should be. Since I cannot argue against the basic principle of self-protection, I'll just call you a name."

FIFY

Oh, thank you; you get the prize for the first guffaw of the morning!

Aside from that, you're unimportant enough not to need responding to.

Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
signing off

PIRATENEWS

Monday, July 25, 2011 6:28 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
You can postulate all you want on the "one more gun" theory, but there's one fact you can't refute: If there had been only one LESS gun there, this couldn't have happened.

One less gun would have made no difference, since the shooter had at least 3 guns.

Fake Facebook page of alleged shooter was uploaded AFTER his arrest

UPDATE: THE FACEBOOK PAGE POSTED BY THE CORPORATE MEDIA IN ENGLISH IS NOT THE REAL WEBPAGE OF THE SHOOTER. JEWISH FACEBOOK DELETED THE SHOOTER'S WEBPAGE IN THE NORWEGIAN LANGUAGE AFTER THE SHOOTING. THIS ENGLISH VERSION DELETING HIS LIBERAL ZIONIST ISRAEL-LOVING POLITICS WAS REPLACED BY AN ALLEGED "CONSERVATIVE CHRISTIAN" AND POSTED ON FACEBOOK AFTER THE SHOOTER'S ARREST. POLICE KNEW THE SHOOTER'S NAME BEFORE ARRESTING HIM, AND CALLED HIM BY NAME DURING THE ARREST WITHOUT SHOOTING HIM AT THE CRIME SCENE. POLICE GAVE THE SHOOTERS 90 MINUTES TO COMPLETE THEIR JOB, ALLOWING OTHER SHOOTERS TO ESCAPE. THE SHOOTER ADMITTED HE IS PART OF A LARGE CONSPIRACY OF CELLS, YET POLICE AND MEDIA ARE ALLEGING HE'S A LONE NUT. THE SHOOTER'S ALLEGED 1,500-PAGE MANIFESTO WAS COPIED VERBATIM FROM THE MANIFESTO OF TED "UNABOMBER" KAZINSKI WHO WAS ADMITTEDLY A CIA MIND CONTROL VICTIM DONATED AS A MEDICAL EXPERIMENT BY HIS PARENTS. WHY KILL 100 WHITE ARYAN CHILDREN WHO WILL BE LEADERS OF A WHITE NATION, WHEN YOU ARE ALLEGEDLY AGAINST DARK-HAIRED DARK-SKINNED FOREIGNERS? THE NORWEGIAN PRIME MINISTER IS JEWISH. THE SHOOTER TRAVELED TO ENGLAND FOR PROGRAMMING BY MI6 WHO RUNS THE IRA TERROR BOMBERS IN BRITAIN.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/norway/8655175/Oslo-e
xplosion-live-coverage.html
http://www.infowars.com/police-knew-gunmans-name-before-arrest/
http://www.infowars.com/analyzing-the-oslo-attacks-part-three-more-inf
ormation-and-even-more-unclear/

Liberal Neo-Con pro-Israel pro-gay Norwegian language Facebook page deleted after arrest, did NOT say he was a Christian conservative, DID say he admired jew Winston Churchill
http://www.infowars.com/anders-behring-breivik-manufacturing-a-patsy/

Fake English language Facebook page uploaded after his arrest with Liberal Neo-Con pro-Israel pro-gay comments replaced with "Christian conservative" comments, someone is active on Breivik’s Facebook accepting friend requests after the massacre took place
http://www.infowars.com/anders-behring-breivik-manufacturing-a-patsy/

Quote:
During his Channel 4 News broadcast on Friday evening, kosher host Jon Snow asked “why police knew the killer’s name by the time they had arrived on the island,” reported the Telegraph live blog.

“He surrendered the moment police called his name 3 minutes after they arrived. What we don’t know is how the police knew the terrorist’s name before they arrested him,” said Snow, who is recognized as one of Britain’s most trusted news anchors, and cannot be dismissed as a “conspiracy theorist”.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/norway/8659028/Oslo-e
xplosion-live-coverage.html

Oslo Bombing: Why Would “Terrorists” Attack Near-Empty Office Building on Public Holiday?
http://www.prisonplanet.com/norway-blast-near-prime-ministers-office-i
n-oslo.html

As a Freemason no other Mason is allowed to convict him. If convicted he faces a max 3 months in jail for each murder.

RFID News reported that a chain of North American indoor water park hotels are using RFID wristbands to allow guests to take photos at kiosks, which are then automatically uploaded to their kosher CIA Mossad Facebook profiles
http://www.opednews.com/articles/1/Facebook--Pied-Piper-of-t-by-Andrew
-Steele-110721-566.html

http://images2.fanpop.com/image/photos/9800000/Captain

PIRATENEWS

Monday, July 25, 2011 6:49 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:

In the aftermath of the twin attacks in Norway, there has been some strident criticism of the speed at which sections of the media linked the attacks to Islamic terrorism.

For example Britain's best-selling The Sun newspaper published a banner headline on Saturday describing the attack as an "Al Qaeda massacre: Norway's 9/11".

Proof that nothing the media says can be believed. This "Lone Nut Revolution" is about as grassroots as the CIA's Facebook Revolutions by Muslims in Africa and the Mid East.

Quote:
"Having been in the radio/Television/Film Industry since 1982, 5 of those years working at a small market TV station, let me tell you to only believe 10% of what you hear over the air waves. Stories about criminals are big ratings' boost and if they involve a celebrity, it's even better. if they can link a respected organization, add bonus points. I'm not saying that TV stations lie, but reporting selected facts in a very specific order leaves an audience with a 'feeling'. It's the feeling that they work for, not becasue it is the truth, but you recall WHERE you got that 'feeling' ... ratings. Ratings equal viewers and viewers equal rates for commercial sales. I have no personal information about the reporters at the View, but I do know reporters and what their job description entails. So, bottom line, don't pass judgement on ANYONE based upon a news story."
http://www.twtex.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-10077.html

Al Qaeda has never attacked anything, and does not exist. It's a database of employees of CIA/MI6. Al Qaeda was founded by Polish-American jew Zbigniew Brezinski and is now run by American heavy-metal ADL jew Adam Perlman.

Quote:

FBI will pay you $1-million to arrest American Jewish ADL AllCIAduh spokesman Adam Gadahn Perlman

"The FBI added Adam Gadahn to the Most Wanted Terrorist list and the U.S. State Department is offering a reward up to $1 million for his arrest. A 28-year-old California man has been indicted on federal charges of treason and providing material support to a terrorist group for making a series of propaganda videotapes for al Qaeda, including one in which he praised the hijackers involved in the 9/11 attacks. 'Adam Gadahn represents a new breed of home-grown extremist, who has chosen to betray the country of his birth,' FBI Executive Assistant Director Willie Hulon said during a press conference Wednesday in Washington, D.C."
-FBI Most Wanted
http://www.fbi.gov/page2/oct2006/gadahn101106.htm

American al Qaeda member Adam Gadahn Perlman acknowledges Jewish ancestry
http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/06/13/american.qaeda.message/index
.html

"In Sept of last year, Adam Gadahn [aka Adam Perlman], the son of Jewish parents, the son of Jewish grandparents [who are on the board of directors of Jewish ADL] in Southern California, who himself converted to Islam, went on to become Osama Bin Laden's spokesman."
-Congresswoman Jane Harman (D-CA), Jewish chairman
Homeland Security Subcommittee on Intelligence, Information Sharing, and Terrorism Risk Assessment
CSPAN, Use of the Internet by Terrorists: Using the Web as a Weapon for 9/11 Truth, November 6, 2007
http://www.piratenews.org/flight93.html

Jew Rep Jane Harman Caught on NSA Tape Agreeing to Lobby for Israel Spies = TREASON
www.republicbroadcasting.org/?p=1364
youtube.com/watch?v=JWpWc_suPWo

"By way of deception, we shall wage war."
-Mossad motto

Barack Hussein Obama's and President Jimmy Carter's National Security Advisor, Zbigniew Brzezinski (the jewish founder of Al Qaeda) visiting 'his boy', Osama Bin Laden, in training with the Pakistan Army, 1981. Photo originally scanned from the New York Village Voice. Photo credited to the Sygma/Corbis Agency, Paris
www.nysun.com/national/despite-criticism-obama-stands-by-adviser/62534/

Quote:
"Regret what? That secret operation (the CIA backing

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PENGUIN

Monday, July 25, 2011 9:10 PM

Norway shooting: Glenn Beck compares dead teenagers to Hitler youth
Glenn Beck, the leading Right-wing American broadcaster, has prompted outrage after comparing the teenage victims of the Utoya Island massacre to the Hitler Youth.

Beck said that the Labour party youth camp on the island, where 68 people were murdered, bore "disturbing" similarities to the Nazi party's notorious juvenile wing.

Beck, a multimillionaire darling of the Tea Party movement, said on his nationally-syndicated radio show: "There was a shooting at a political camp, which sounds a little like, you know, the Hitler youth. I mean, who does a camp for kids that's all about politics? Disturbing."

Torbjørn Eriksen, a former press secretary to Jens Stoltenberg, Norway's prime minister, described the comment as "a new low" for the broadcaster, who has frequently been forced to apologise for offensive remarks.

"Young political activists have gathered at Utoya for over 60 years to learn about and be part of democracy, the very opposite of what the Hitler Youth was about," he told The Daily Telegraph. "Glenn Beck's comments are ignorant, incorrect and extremely hurtful."

The Coalition to Stop Gun Violence, a Washington-based campaign group, said the remark by Beck, a free agent after being forced out of the Fox News channel earlier this year, was "absolutely disgusting".

Beck's controversial statements and conspiracy-filled rants have made him one of the most divisive figures in US politics and media in recent years.

Last year he said he regretted calling Barack Obama a "racist" with a "deep-seated hatred for white people or the white culture". He later apologised for mocking Mr Obama's young daughter Malia.
In February he apologised to Reform Judaism, a group that campaigns for the modernisation of the Jewish faith, after comparing them to "radicalised Islam".

But he refused to apologise in May after mock-vomiting on his live TV show following a cancer-awareness advert starring a nude Meghan McCain, the daughter of Senator John McCain.
Beck said that Miss McMcCain, whose father survived cancer before running for the US presidency, should "wear a burka" because she was apparently unattractive.

Despite Beck expressing surprise that political movements would hold camps for children, followers of his 9/12 Project – which aims to "recapture the spirit of the day after America was attacked" – have this summer been doing just that.

Organisers of the "vacation liberty schools" in several states told the Daily Telegraph how they taught children as young as eight a Tea Party-endorsed curriculum spanning religion, economics and political principles.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/norway/8660986/Norway
-shooting-Glenn-Beck-compares-dead-teenagers-to-Hitler-youth.html

King of the Mythical Land that is Iowa

WULFENSTAR

Monday, July 25, 2011 9:40 PM

STILL waiting for SOMEONE to explain to me how "gun-control" (i.e. keeping guns out of the hands of good people) SAVES lives.

lol

"Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies"

OLDENGLANDDRY

Monday, July 25, 2011 9:41 PM

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-14285020

1KIKI

Monday, July 25, 2011 10:08 PM

Haven't we had this chumming before with Loughner? You know, the attempt to shift focus and blame from a rightwing white male nutcase 'patriot' with a gun to ANYwhere else?

AURAPTOR
Govt building bombed ? Why, it must have been some angry white christian. Again. We know how they do, after all.

AURAPTOR
"Global Jihad" group says it's behind Oslo blast
Huh.

AURAPTOR
If it turns out to really be as reported, then that's 1 for the Christians, to how many hundreds, thousands, for the Muslims ? All it means is that there are others willing to stoop to such barbaric levels, and now the Islamic Jihadists have company.

AURAPTOR
Beslan

AURAPTOR
The report came out, not by me, that a muslim group had claimed responsibility.
Why would they do such a thing, if they weren't the ones behind it ?

WULFENSTAR
If even ONE other person there had a weapon, things might have been different.
Can't wait to see how this gets spun into needing MORE gun control.

Glenn Beck compares dead teenagers to Hitler youth

MAGONSDAUGHTER

Monday, July 25, 2011 10:24 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
STILL waiting for SOMEONE to explain to me how "gun-control" (i.e. keeping guns out of the hands of good people) SAVES lives.

lol

"Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies"

As I pointed out to you earlier, Norway has high gun ownership. If you knew anything worth knowing you might actually one day understand that issues that are important in the US are not always important in other parts of the world. The gun ownership issue is a non event in most western countries. They want to own guns, they don't want to own guns. They seem to manage to legislate or not around this issue without the endless hyperbole and chest thumping that is typical in the US.

Not the issue.

KWICKO

Monday, July 25, 2011 10:53 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
STILL waiting for SOMEONE to explain to me how "gun-control" (i.e. keeping guns out of the hands of good people) SAVES lives.

lol

"Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies"

Odd that you characterize this guy as "good people", Wulfie.

Tells us a lot about where your head's at.

The idea of "gun control" is to keep guns out of the hands of BAD people. You know - people like you, Laughner, and Breivik here.

AURAPTOR

Monday, July 25, 2011 10:55 PM

Loughner ? He has absolutely nothing to do with what happened in Oslo. Why even bring his name into this ? He was anything BUT a right winger. He was a LEFT WINGER, and more than anything, a nut case.

Tim McVeigh ? Raised Catholic, but was all but agnostic , by the time he pulled off the OK City attack. Even said so himself, so spare us all your tedious, pointless attempts to suggest otherwise.

Not sure what your point is in posting a summery of my comments. You don't dare try to come to any coherent conclusion, because you're not smart enough to do so. I'd revisit and explain every one of those comments( I still stand by each and every one ), but my efforts would be wasted on you.

I gots better stuff to do.

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

1KIKI

Monday, July 25, 2011 11:06 PM

Yep, Rap is STILL incoherent. And rather than try and explain himself (which is apparently too difficult a task for him) he walks away - again. Poor Rap. Life must be very unhappy for him since he can never seem to grasp his own posts.

KWICKO

Monday, July 25, 2011 11:06 PM

Actually, Loughner's a registered Republican.

KWICKO

Monday, July 25, 2011 11:07 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
Yep, Rap is STILL incoherent. And rather than try and explain himself (which is apparently too difficult a task for him) he walks away - again. Poor Rap. Life must be very unhappy for him since he can't even grasp his own posts.

His standard response will be "You're not worth my response".

PIRATENEWS

Monday, July 25, 2011 11:11 PM

Waco Libtards: "This is not a NATO Mossad assault with full-auto machine guns, bombs and flamethrowers"

It's wrong if you kill 100 kids, but it's ok if the govt does it...or kill millions.

Waco Rules of Engagement: Shoot everyone trying to escape the flames
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6765137779810391299

Mossad, CIA and NATO Attack Democracy in Oslo, Norway
http://disquietreservations.blogspot.com/2011/07/mossad-cia-and-nato-a
ttack-democracy-in.html

Israeli Connection To Oslo Attacks
http://rense.com/general94/poss.htm

GILAD ATZMON: MASSACRE IN NORWAY-- MORE ABOUT THE JEWISH RIGHT WING CONNECTION
http://www.gilad.co.uk/writings/gilad-atzmon-massacre-in-norway-more-a
bout-the-jewish-right.html

"Lone Nut" shot 183 sheeple in Norway (ignore the eyewitnesses hearing 2 shooters on opposites sides of the island)
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/feedarticle/9761756

Norway killer Anders Behring Breivik called Gordon Brown and Prince Charles 'traitors'
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/norway/8658431/Norway
-killer-Anders-Behring-Breivik-called-Gordon-Brown-and-Prince-Charles-traitors.html

1,500 page book allegedly by Norwegian shooter was written in perfect ENGLISH after being recruited by 90 "terror cells" in ENGLAND where MI5/6 runs all IRA bombings in UK and runs Euro bombings for Operation Gladio
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/norway/8658431/Norway
-killer-Anders-Behring-Breivik-called-Gordon-Brown-and-Prince-Charles-traitors.html

Hunt for Britons linked to Norway killer Anders Behring Breivik
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/norway/8658664/Hunt-f
or-Britons-linked-to-Norway-killer-Anders-Behring-Breivik.html

MINCINGBEAST

Monday, July 25, 2011 11:14 PM

So, can we all agree that now since a blonde, right-wing Christian asshole has killed some innocents, that Islam=Christianity?

KWICKO

Monday, July 25, 2011 11:41 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by mincingbeast:
So, can we all agree that now since a blonde, right-wing Christian asshole has killed some innocents, that Islam=Christianity?

Pretty much. They've both done more than their fair share of violence and murder, and are both pretty much useless to any thinking person.

PIRATENEWS

Monday, July 25, 2011 11:43 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by mincingbeast:

So, can we all agree that now since a blonde, right-wing Christian asshole has killed some innocents, that Islam=Christianity?

Hard to agree when the alleged shooter was a liberal gay jew-lover of israel wanting to kill Arab foreigners, so instead he killed only white Norwegian citizens, and allegedly wrote his words in English because he hated Norwegian language...

A little electroshock from MI6 works wonders...

AURAPTOR

Monday, July 25, 2011 11:45 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
Quote:
Originally posted by mincingbeast:
So, can we all agree that now since a blonde, right-wing Christian asshole has killed some innocents, that Islam=Christianity?

Pretty much. They've both done more than their fair share of violence and murder, and are both pretty much useless to any thinking person.

Yes, and in Lefty world, 1 = 10,000.

Exactly the same, huh?

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

MINCINGBEAST

Monday, July 25, 2011 11:46 PM

PN, no need to use "gay" and "jew" in the same sentence. They're synonyms. Trust me, I'm a jew, and I long for the dong, hunger for the schlong, and suffer from jism-enthusiasm and ass madness.

KWICKO

Monday, July 25, 2011 11:52 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
Quote:
Originally posted by mincingbeast:
So, can we all agree that now since a blonde, right-wing Christian asshole has killed some innocents, that Islam=Christianity?

Pretty much. They've both done more than their fair share of violence and murder, and are both pretty much useless to any thinking person.

Yes, and in Lefty world, 1 = 10,000.

Exactly the same, huh?

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

As I pointed out before, Hitler killed tens of millions in the name of Christianity. I've yet to see any Muslim leader manage so high a body count.

They're not "exactly the same"; if anything, Christianity has by far the larger body count.

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

FREMDFIRMA

Tuesday, July 26, 2011 12:21 AM

Indeed, Mikey - but here's the thing those dipshits can't seem to address.

The bastard picked a remote location and took out the officer(s) protecting it first, while deliberately targeting kids - not really something additional firearms were gonna help given that he WAS dressed like a cop and exploited that as well.

What I find ironic is that certain folk around here have the bloody nerve to act all appalled and revolted when the exact same rhetoric this shitheel believed in comes out of their mouths on a regular basis, up to and including hinting at stuff like this, but never quite having the guts to say it.

THIS is the natural conclusion of the RESULTS of that rhetoric, those beliefs - are you LISTENING, you perfidous, enabling fucks?

Lemme guess, offering lip service with one hand, while patting yourselves on the back with the other ?

And folks wonder why I have such a hate-on for the rightwingnuts, *sigh* - yeah verily, I DO consider it a mental illness, cause left unchecked, here's where it goes.
How is that not insanity, again ?

-Frem

I do not serve the Blind God.

KWICKO

Tuesday, July 26, 2011 2:52 AM

Well, Frem, bear in mind that our very own Wulfie here has, on numerous occasions, stated that once he and his buddies got their way, they were going to "make us pay", and that all those others would get only what he gave them. And remember as well that he has claimed that he wanted to gather up all the "liberals" along with all the "illegals" and have them all killed or deported.

So far from condemning this right-wing Christo-fascist wing-nut, Wulfie-boy here wants to grow up to be JUST LIKE HIM.

Of course, he also threatened to fill me full of forty-caliber holes for disagreeing with him.

How very libertarian of him, eh?

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

RIONAEIRE

Tuesday, July 26, 2011 6:07 AM

Frem, you're always talking about how you want everything to be destroyed, how is it any different when Wulf says it? Note that I understand that you want different things, but you're both very vitriolic and it can come across similarly to someone scanning the thread, some mean words here, an insult there, you know. Just sayin.

Wulf: I see what you're _trying to say about if someone else had a gun there they could have shot the badguy. But as others have said people are allowed to own firearms in Norway so the point doesn't really head in the direction you're thinking of. But I know what you meant.

Magon's, yeah, the media is notorious for assumptions and thus they get the people all worked up and thinking that way too. They put together the limited facts that they had and tried to make them explain the situation, but it didn't work right because they assumed and didn't have all the facts yet.

PN has a point about Waco, sure I don't mind the cult leader guy dying, but killing all those kids and then justifying it by saying that since the government did it then its okay and expecting people to go along with it quietly is horrid. I think he's trying to say he wonders why people get upset about this random shooter lunatic stuff but when the government does it people just go along with it and don't make a fuss. Good point PN.

As for political camps for kids, I think they exist here too, I'm sure there's something like Future Progressives of America camp or something, though I've never seen anything about such a thing, but there probably is something like that, so it isn't fair to immediately jump to "Hitler Youth" and say that out loud on the air. I definitely would never send my kids to a camp that pertains to a political party, I'd find it a lil' creepy, but I'd never say that out loud on the air in front of everyone, especially after a tragedy like this. They were kids no matter what the camp was it was full of kids. If he has a problem then he should have killed all the grownups meeting for pre camp briefings, if he was hell bent on killing, something that is silly anyways in this situation.

I hope the Norwegians climb out of the pansy patch on this one and either lock him up forever or go ahead and institute a death penalty option if he's convicted, because this is horrible and can't be allowed to happen again, if he just gets 20 years then when he gets out he'll do it again.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

SKYDIVELIFE

Tuesday, July 26, 2011 2:30 PM

Kwicko wrote: "The idea of "gun control" is to keep guns out of the hands of BAD people. You know - people like you, Laughner, and Breivik here."

I have to disagree on this point.

I'm not a fan of gun control. Yes, I think weapons should be kept out of the hands of "bad" people. Yet, who determines who is "bad"?

Is a felon who has served their time, considered "bad"? I thought the whole point of jail, was to "pay your debt" to society. Afterwards, you are supposed to be "square with the house".

Determining who is "bad" is a very slippery slope. You don't like someone; their views, philosophies, race, sexual orientation, religion... and suddenly they are the "bad" guys.

Not to mention that anyone who wants a gun, will be able to get one... somehow or the other.

I'm also really concerned with this new push towards mental/emotional profiling in gun-control as well. You may feel depressed for a bit, go in for some counseling, and get better. Because of this you are banned from owning a machine to protect your life? Does that make sense?

Maybe you are a nervous wreck because you got car jacked? You go in for help. But by doing so, you are banned from owning a machine that might make you feel/be safer.

To quote Mal (with a little bit o change) "Waiting for someone to save you, is a long wait for a train that don't come."

HERO

Tuesday, July 26, 2011 2:52 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Niki2:
Gawd, how awful! Why Norway, we wondered??

Events like this always make me check the 24 hour PirateNews tracking device we implanted in his anus during his last abduction.

H

"Hero. I have come to respect you." "I am forced to agree with Hero here."- Chrisisall, 2009.
"I would rather not ignore your contributions." Niki2, 2010.

NIKI2

Tuesday, July 26, 2011 4:17 PM

Writing with sore scrolling finger (sigh...), I think it's hysterical that Beck (who wanted to be back in the spotlight, so came up with the most inflammatory think he could think of) compared it to Hitlr Youth when

Quote:
Despite Beck expressing surprise that political movements would hold camps for children, followers of his 9/12 Project – which aims to "recapture the spirit of the day after America was attacked" – have this summer been doing just that.

Organisers of the "vacation liberty schools" in several states told the Daily Telegraph how they taught children as young as eight a Tea Party-endorsed curriculum spanning religion, economics and political principles.

I'm quite happy to let our ignoramuses represent right-wing extremists, as it helps to remind me what their ilk IS so I don't take them seriously, and I'm not about to bite on Wulf's bloodthirsty desire to make everything about guns, or Raptor's desperate attempts to find ways to blame Muslims and liberals. Let 'em rant I say; it's amusing, if nothing else, and a constant reminder of the mentality.

Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
signing off

FREMDFIRMA

Tuesday, July 26, 2011 9:43 PM

Riona, the point is I want them to destroy EACH OTHER, instead of us - if you could lock up all these extremist, intolerant, hating cretins in a cage and let them fight it out till only one remains, I'd friggin riverdance to the bodies hitting the floor, you bet - and then shoot the lucky "winner" in the head!

To me this ain't about who he did it to or why, as it seems to be to some, who may not admit it, but it shows, that their primary *issue* with it wasn't WHAT he did, but who and how...

No, to me, this is shit you should NEVER do, to ANYONE, and I realize it may come across as somewhat hypocritical, but remember I am speaking of folk who have already MADE the decision to engage in conduct like this, if they can only get away with it, if they can only justify it, or if they can get some kind of political "Authorization" - cause really, what's the difference between this guy, and one of our troops to signed up to "kill those damn sand n***er raghead muslim fucks!" shooting up falluah ?

Really, what, official sanction ?
Fuckin meaningless - cause war is nothing more than the systematic, organized murder of folks who mostly don't even have a dog in the fight beyond defending their own turf and lives.

To point a weapon with intent at someone you do not know, have never met, has never yet done any harm to you, and fire it - there's NO excuse for that act in my book whatsoever, and those that do so, or desire to do so if they can only get some from of sanction for their murderous impulse...
Yeah, I DO think the only cure for such Jackals is a rope, they deserve no better.

-Frem

I do not serve the Blind God.

AURAPTOR

Tuesday, July 26, 2011 9:56 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:

As I pointed out before, Hitler killed tens of millions in the name of Christianity.

No, he didn't. But you'll try to use that fairy tale to off set the reality of the global jihadists of our time.

My only question is - why ?

I think it must be some glitch in the Liberal mind, which absolutely insists that all things be equal. If Muslims are bad, its' because Christians were bad, or ARE equally bad, despite the lack of evidence.

It's like Obama blowing up the US deficit, then whining about how the GOP won't 'compromise' in fixing the mess HE himself caused.

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

KWICKO

Tuesday, July 26, 2011 11:01 PM

You have a funny sense of reality, Rappy. I already posted Hitler's own quotes about his religion and what he felt his mission on Earth was. This was settled long ago, despite your inability to face the truth.

And you can't face the truth about your own party's role in creating the debt crisis, either. Obama didn't go out and put the nation 14 trillion in debt all on his own. In fact, well under 20% of that debt has anything to do with Obama.

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

AURAPTOR

Wednesday, July 27, 2011 9:49 AM

Sorry, I don't recognize tax cuts as a 'cost'. That money doesn't belong to the govt, and so it's not theirs to count as belonging to them, before it gets 'contributed'.

No idea where that graph you posted comes from, but it's laughably inaccurate.

And yes, Hitler's motivation was settled long ago, and Christianity had next to nothing to do with his wanting to conquer the world. But nice try.

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

BYTEMITE

Wednesday, July 27, 2011 2:14 PM

You know, bizarre satanic mason atheist stuff aside, some of the information PN put up about the drills before this attack is rather compelling.

I think, even though the suspect is in custody, we may never know what really happened here. Much like a number of other still mysterious attacks.

I've been avoiding this thread because for a while there the world was just getting too dark for me. Extremists of any sort targeting kids. I could speculate on the psychology, family, and history/profile of a person who might do something like this, but I'll leave it there and just say that Frem's point about how we treat kids is right, and this is just a symptom of how sick society in general has become.

KWICKO

Wednesday, July 27, 2011 6:19 PM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Sorry, I don't recognize tax cuts as a 'cost'. That money doesn't belong to the govt, and so it's not theirs to count as belonging to them, before it gets 'contributed'.

It was listed as projected revenue before Bush decided to give those tax breaks to the rich. If you're going to cut future revenue and not cut corresponding spending, you are indeed incurring a "cost".

You saying that it wasn't a "cost" because it wasn't theirs to count is like me saying that any projected deficits aren't real, because the government hasn't spent that money yet, so there's no deficit.

It's voodoo economics, just like everything else you believe in.

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No idea where that graph you posted comes from, but it's laughably inaccurate.

Government Accounting Office.

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And yes, Hitler's motivation was settled long ago, and Christianity had next to nothing to do with his wanting to conquer the world. But nice try.

As I showed before, Hitler's motivations were laid out very clearly in his own writings and speeches, and were 100% tied to his Christianity. I'm not asking you to take MY word for it; I'm asking you to take HIS word.

Hey, if Bin Laden said he was doing all his bullshit for Islam, you'd believe him, right?

Odd that you refuse to believe your beloved Christo-fascists when they plainly state why they're doing what they're doing.

This idiot right-winger in Norway plainly stated that he was murdering unarmed children in furtherence of his Christian beliefs. You can choose not to believe him if you like, but it seems more than just a little hypocritical of you to take one guy's explanation at face value, and not another's.

But we're all used to your hypocrisy anyway, so just stick with that.

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

FREMDFIRMA

Wednesday, July 27, 2011 10:56 PM

HELL YES.
Stoltenberg just showed that he prolly has more sense in his pinky than all of OUR so-called leaders collected.

Quote:
Prime Minister Jens Stoltenberg vowed Wednesday that the twin terror attacks that have stunned his country will not intimidate Norway and that his countrymen will fight back with "more democracy."

Norwegians will defend themselves by showing they are not afraid of violence and by participating more broadly in politics, he told reporters.

"It's absolutely possible to have an open, democratic, inclusive society, and at the same time have security measures and not be naive," he said.

Stoltenberg underlined his commitment to openness, defending freedom of thought even if includes extremist views such as those held by the 32-year-old Norwegian who confessed to Friday's bomb blast at government headquarters and to the shooting massacre at a Labor Party youth camp hours later. At least 76 people were killed.

"We have to be very clear to distinguish between extreme views, opinions — that's completely legal, legitimate to have. What is not legitimate is to try to implement those extreme views by using violence," he said.

"I think what we have seen is that there is going to be one Norway before and one Norway after July 22," he said. "But I hope and also believe that the Norway we will see after will be more open, a more tolerant society than what we had before."

THAT *is* the correct response, don't burn down the castle to protect it, don't discard the principles you're defending - stick to your guns and stand UP for them, all the way, as a spit in the eye to would be tyrants large and small.

Again, Kindness and Mercy as WEAPONS, to fight hate, intolerance, and violence.

My greatest fear was that this would push Norway into the same kind of idiotic security-theatre state we've become, and now that is much alleviated - but of course, they're as a rule a saner society, for many reasons, not the least of which is they're far more in line with what I wrote about regarding the treatment of people AS human beings.
http://www.time.com/time/photogallery/0,29307,1989083_2137380,00.html

Again, it's very simple - DO NOT COMPLY, don't give the bastards what they want, don't become like them, don't give in to fear.

The quote is clipped from here.
http://www.detnews.com/article/20110727/NATION/107270390/1020/Norway-P
M--Attacks-response-to-be-%E2%80%98more-democracy%E2%80%99

I was gonna add a link to a well written editoral regarding just how fast the backpedal of american rightwingnuts was, all the while cowardly evading their own culpability - but you know what ?
In respect to Stoltenberg, and taking from his example, eff em, why spend the effort when it's put to better use helping others.

-Frem

I do not serve the Blind God.

KWICKO

Wednesday, July 27, 2011 11:03 PM

Awesome.

I heard someone ask, "If that had happened here, do you think they'd be profiling blonde white men at the airports?"

MAGONSDAUGHTER

Friday, July 29, 2011 12:54 AM

he used dum dum bullets which basically exploded inside his victims - to ensure maximum casualities. oh well, according to some of the nutbags on these boards, it's his right to own an arsenal of such destructive weaponry.

He wanted to start a revolution in response to his hatred of TPTB. Sound familiar to anyone here? Almost might say to some (if he were in America) that he was exercising his '2nd Amendment right' because he was seeing tyranny and decided to act. Thus we see where the rhetoric can end.

JAYNEZTOWN

Tuesday, May 7, 2019 9:32 PM

Iyad el-Baghdadi on twitter?

The CIA has warned Norway that a prominent Arab activist who is living in the country under asylum protection is facing a potential threat from Saudi Arabia

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/may/07/cia-warns-arab-activis
t-of-potential-threat-from-saudi-arabia

he's a Palestinian?

The revelation comes less than a year after the murder of Jamal Khashoggi, a Saudi journalist for the Washington Post and a US resident, who was killed inside the Saudi consulate in Istanbul in October 2018.

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Tuesday, May 7, 2019 10:01 PM

Necroposting?
I see PN using the term Libtard.

Also, we now know this whole event is from psychotropic drugs, but will still be ignored.