Norway bombing/shooting

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MAGONSDAUGHTER

Monday, July 25, 2011 11:33 AM

He wanted to implement change through revolution.

He was wanted to end Muslim supremacy in Europe.

Sound familiar....???? Anyone??????????????????????

MAGONSDAUGHTER

Monday, July 25, 2011 11:35 AM

In the aftermath of the twin attacks in Norway, there has been some strident criticism of the speed at which sections of the media linked the attacks to Islamic terrorism.

For example Britain's best-selling The Sun newspaper published a banner headline on Saturday describing the attack as an "Al Qaeda massacre: Norway's 9/11".

By the time the newspaper hit the streets Norwegian police had dismissed any links between the attacker and the jihadist group.

Critics say it is just one example of an entrenched anti-Muslim bias that has developed in the media since the September 11 attacks.

The Macquarie Dictionary defines a terrorist as someone who uses or favours terrorising methods of resisting a government or of governing.

So at first glance the alleged attacker in Norway, who killed at least 93 people and wounded nearly 100 more in Friday's attacks, seems to fit the bill.

His methods clearly terrorised and his message was overtly political.

But it seems the dictionary definition of a terrorist is no longer what is in common usage, at least in some sectors of the media.

"Particularly many of the tabloids and ... the tabloid news sites like to interpret mass acts of terrorism, mass violence, through the prism of Muslim terrorism," said Anthony McClellan, the principal of AMC Media.

"In other words [they assume] the only real big-style terrorists are Muslims. The brand of terrorism is totally linked in their minds to Muslims and what they do.

"The fundamental problem they had was that they got it wrong, which defeats the whole purpose of being accurate journalists and running an accurate media."

Mr McClellan, a former television current affairs reporter, says it is not only the tabloid media - the BBC and other organisations do it as well.

"I believe the Guardian probably engaged in speculation. I think it's more pronounced at the tabloid end," he said.

"But I think they're all guilty of it to that same degree because part of the problem is that those journalists or the editors putting up those headlines ... want to give a very simplistic interpretation of a complex world."

Mr McClellan is not alone in his criticism of the media's reaction.

Blogger and Brown University historian Shiva Balaghi described it as a shameful day for journalism and criticised journalists' reliance on so-called terrorism experts who she says "conduct research by Google" and "tweet a mile a minute".
Quick, simple news

Mr McClellan says the pressure to provide viewers, listeners and readers with a quick, simplistic interpretation has been intensified by the arrival of much more immediate online news and social media.

"It is a conscious effort at that end of the market to feed in what they think their readers want to believe and their prejudices," Mr McClellan said.

But there can be some unintended consequences, according to Julie Posetti, a journalism lecturer at the University of Canberra who has studied the impact of media coverage on Muslims.

"I think it was probably reasonable for people to ask questions about the likely nature of the attacks," she said.

"But asking questions and drawing conclusions and then fanning those conclusions without a skerrick of evidence was irresponsible.

"And more than irresponsible in terms of good journalism practice, it's potentially very damaging to Muslims and people of Muslim background around the world."

In the streets of Oslo on Saturday many Muslims worried the finger of blame would be pointed at them.

Some say they stayed at home, fearing they would suffer some form of reprisal.

"That doesn't surprise me," Ms Posetti said.

"Some of the research I've done has involved interviewing and surveying Muslim women in the Australian setting, particularly focusing on Muslim women.

"Those who adopt traditional Muslim dress, the hijab or the burka, for example, find themselves b

WULFENSTAR

Monday, July 25, 2011 11:42 AM

1. Norway has some of the most stringent gun control laws.

2. The only reason this guy stopped firing was because he was out of bullets.

3. The cops took over 2 hours to arrive.

4. Over 90 dead.

If even ONE other person there had a weapon, things might have been different.

Can't wait to see how this gets spun into needing MORE gun control.

"Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies"

KWICKO

Monday, July 25, 2011 11:56 AM

You can postulate all you want on the "one more gun" theory, but there's one fact you can't refute: If there had been only one LESS gun there, this couldn't have happened.

MAGONSDAUGHTER

Monday, July 25, 2011 12:23 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
1. Norway has some of the most stringent gun control laws.

2. The only reason this guy stopped firing was because he was out of bullets.

3. The cops took over 2 hours to arrive.

4. Over 90 dead.

If even ONE other person there had a weapon, things might have been different.

Can't wait to see how this gets spun into needing MORE gun control.

"Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies"

Norway has a high level of gun ownership. They just have strict laws on licencing and how you keep them. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Norway

Norway has a relatively low crime rate.
This was a camp on an island with young people.
You cannot predict lone wolf violence.
Not everyone wants to be armed to the teeth to prevent the kind of thing that there is 1:1000000000000000 odds of happening.

You are a dick.

WULFENSTAR

Monday, July 25, 2011 12:52 PM

"You are a dick" -Magonsdaughter

Translation: "You are correct, but I can't stand it when someone pokes holes in my worldview of how things are/should be. Since I cannot argue against the basic principle of self-protection, I'll just call you a name."

FIFY

"Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies"

1KIKI

Monday, July 25, 2011 4:51 PM

Magon's

Are you old enough to remember MAD (mutually assured destruction)? Yes, that was a happy time (not) - two countries armed to the teeth ready to annihilate or be annihilated at a moment's notice, death hanging over everyone at the whim of madmen or a result of a simple accident.

That is the society these people want, everyone armed to the teeth ready to annihilate or be annihilated at a moment's notice, death hanging over everyone at the whim of madmen or a result of simple accident.

That they WANT this thing, thinks it's GOOD speaks volumes about the mentality behind the vision.

WULFENSTAR

Monday, July 25, 2011 4:58 PM

"Magon's

Are you old enough to remember MAD (mutually assured destruction)? Yes, that was a happy time (not) - two countries armed to the teeth ready to annihilate or be annihilated at a moment's notice, death hanging over everyone at the whim of madmen or a result of a simple accident.

That is the society these people want, everyone armed to the teeth ready to annihilated or be annihilated at a moment's notice, death hanging over everyone at the whim of madmen or a result of simple accident.

That they WANT this thing, thinks it's GOOD speaks volumes about the mentality behind the vision."

lol

Ok... heres the deal. You are free to go about your daily life, unarmed. Live your life, without a gun, as you see fit.

I, will go about my life, armed. Live my life as I see fit.

I won't force you to have a gun, and you cannot (even if you wanted to, and got the politicians to back you) force me not to.

To be unarmed is a choice you can make, while being armed is a choice I WILL make.

Thats about it.

See? You get to live your life, and I get to live mine, as we see fit to do so.

"Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies"

1KIKI

Monday, July 25, 2011 5:12 PM

I won't bother to point out all the times you berated people for doing NOTHING just because they weren't going to go in to a situation guns blazing. Or about how guns were the solution to an illegitimate presidency. Or about how we were cowards for not joining in the armed revolt ready to happen any day now! You very much see guns as the ultimate solution to every problem on your horizon. And no, you are not nearly as live and let live 'to each his own' as you NOW want us to think you are.

NIKI2

Monday, July 25, 2011 5:31 PM

Riona, everything you said. And more. I can't conceive of the grief going on in Norway today; nobody deserves that. The kids were teenagers, from what I've read.

Magons,

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But it also suggested that the movement was weak, lacked a central leader and offered relatively modest growth potential. Disorganised and chaotic.

Gee, sounds like our Tea Party.

This guy is nothing but a mentally screwed-up coward who'll go after kids. He wants attention, and unfortunately now he'll get it. The only thing I can say is that by his actions he will unite the country against all of his ilk. Not worth the price, but shows just exactly how far these right-wing extremists will go in their insanity. The pendulum will swing, it always does, it's just a shame how much damage these people do before they're stopped.

PN, all you're good for is making my scrolling finger sore. Your love of drama and horror is truly sad and I wish you could get some help. You have nothing to offer of any validity.

Wulf

Quote:
Translation: "You are correct, but I can't stand it when someone pokes holes in my worldview of how things are/should be. Since I cannot argue against the basic principle of self-protection, I'll just call you a name."

FIFY

Oh, thank you; you get the prize for the first guffaw of the morning!

Aside from that, you're unimportant enough not to need responding to.

Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
signing off

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