Jerry Falwell dead at 73

POSTED BY: Geezer
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GEEZER

Tuesday, May 15, 2007 7:18 PM

Called to his heavenly reward, or consigned to somewhere warmer?
Discuss.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6659457.stm

"Keep the Shiny side up"

HERO

Tuesday, May 15, 2007 7:23 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Geezer:
Called to his heavenly reward, or consigned to somewhere warmer?
Discuss.

I was going to wait three days before commenting...

H

RIVER6213

Tuesday, May 15, 2007 7:29 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Geezer:
Called to his heavenly reward, or consigned to somewhere warmer?
Discuss.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6659457.stm

"Keep the Shiny side up"

Most of the human race is slated to go to that "warmer" place. It doesn't matter in the end how good or bad you are. The decision where you go was already decided billions of years ago, so I say that if you are a believer in God, then it's okay if you snub your nose at him and go covet your neighbors wife or husband. while you are at it go rob a bank, and lie as much as you feel you need to do because you are going to go to hell any ways so you might as have fun and earn it.

Myself, after work I'm going to go find a kid and snatch candy away from it just for the joy of watching the little bastard cry; I find I like making people cry. It's fun being the bully and victimizing others. *Cough*

I'm feeling hateful of the Universe right now, so sue me...

-River

KHYRON

Tuesday, May 15, 2007 7:35 PM

Maybe that was the rapture...

Questions are a burden to others. Answers are prison for oneself.

CHRISISALL

Tuesday, May 15, 2007 7:38 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Geezer:
Called to his heavenly reward, or consigned to somewhere warmer?

Why Geezer, are you setting up an online war here?

Count me IN!!

Just kidding...I am happy his soul has been released from his earthly vessle, perchance to go where it can be a source for good in the next life.

Buddha-like Chrisisall, on his pony, holding his plastic rocket

CHRISISALL

Tuesday, May 15, 2007 7:42 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by RiveR6213:

It's fun being the bully and victimizing others. *Cough*

I'm feeling hateful of the Universe right now, so sue me...

Your reaction here masks the big heart you try so hard to deny. I feel the good in you; the conflict.
Feel better, m'lady.

Chrisisall

MAVOURNEEN

Tuesday, May 15, 2007 7:59 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Buddha-like Chrisisall, on his pony, holding his plastic rocket

Chris, get your hands out of your pants.

As for Falwell?

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CHRISISALL

Tuesday, May 15, 2007 8:26 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Mavourneen:
Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Buddha-like Chrisisall, on his pony, holding his plastic rocket

Chris, get your hands out of your pants.

I set myself up....

BwahahahaChrisisall

BIGDAMNNOBODY

Tuesday, May 15, 2007 8:37 PM

CHRISISALL

Tuesday, May 15, 2007 8:39 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by BigDamnNobody:

Them's fightin' words, BDN!

I think...Chrisisall

MAVOURNEEN

Tuesday, May 15, 2007 8:42 PM

Are you disappointed that

a) Jerry Falwell died
b) Chris has his hands in his pants
c) I pointed out that Chris has his hands in his pants
d) Chris thinks it's funny to have his hands in his pants
or
e) You didn't point out Chris' hands in his pants first?

Because if the answer is "a"...

I'm a strong believer in Karma.
Mr Falwell was not a nice person.
I'm not going to rejoice that he's dead. That's not nice.
I'm sure as Heck not gonna throw myself on his pyre, either.

By the By, it is also fun to point at Chris and laugh at his spelling errors. But that's another site, another story.

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BIGDAMNNOBODY

Tuesday, May 15, 2007 8:56 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Mavourneen:
Are you disappointed that

a) Jerry Falwell died
b) Chris has his hands in his pants
c) I pointed out that Chris has his hands in his pants
d) Chris thinks it's funny to have his hands in his pants
or
e) You didn't point out Chris' hands in his pants first?

C and D

Quote:

Because if the answer is "a"...

I'm a strong believer in Karma.
Mr Falwell was not a nice person.
I'm not going to rejoice that he's dead. That's not nice.
I'm sure as Heck not gonna throw myself on his pyre, either.

So why post in this thread?

Quote:

By the By, it is also fun to point at Chris and laugh at his spelling errors. But that's another site, another story.

Or even better, another thread.

CHRISISALL

Tuesday, May 15, 2007 9:01 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Mavourneen:

By the By, it is also fun to point at Chris and laugh at his spelling errors.

It was vessle, right?
*looks in the dictionary*
! VESSEL!!!

*hangs head in shame*

Chrisisall

MAVOURNEEN

Tuesday, May 15, 2007 9:02 PM

Oh, dear. One of those.

Are you aware of the whole "Dear Buddha, give me a plastic rocket" joke from Serenity, a movie starring Nathan Fillion and based upon a short lived television series called Firefly?

Well, it all starts there, and trickles...as they say...downhill.

*pats BDN on the shoulder*

Chris really didn't have his hands in his pants, dear.

But you knew that, didn't you?

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BIGDAMNNOBODY

Tuesday, May 15, 2007 9:08 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Mavourneen:
Oh, dear. One of those.

Are you aware of the whole "Dear Buddha, give me a plastic rocket" joke from Serenity, a movie starring Nathan Fillion and based upon a short lived television series called Firefly?

Well, it all starts there, and trickles...as they say...downhill.

*pats BDN on the shoulder*

Chris really didn't have his hands in his pants, dear.

But you knew that, didn't you?

Oh I am well aware of the reference and where it is from, this is FireFlyFans.net after all. Joking with Chris and your link were in poor taste IMHO. But you knew that, didn't you?

STORYMARK

Tuesday, May 15, 2007 10:46 PM

My mother said to speak only good of the dead. He's dead. Good.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

FREDGIBLET

Tuesday, May 15, 2007 11:11 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Storymark:
My mother said to speak only good of the dead. He's dead. Good.

Seconded

PENGUIN

Tuesday, May 15, 2007 11:20 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by fredgiblet:
Quote:
Originally posted by Storymark:
My mother said to speak only good of the dead. He's dead. Good.

Seconded

Thirded

King of the Mythical Land that is Iowa

KHYRON

Tuesday, May 15, 2007 11:29 PM

Fourthed.

Questions are a burden to others. Answers are prison for oneself.

FUTUREMRSFILLION

Tuesday, May 15, 2007 11:29 PM

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Originally posted by Penguin:
Quote:
Originally posted by fredgiblet:
Quote:
Originally posted by Storymark:
My mother said to speak only good of the dead. He's dead. Good.

Seconded

Thirded

King of the Mythical Land that is Iowa

dare I say fourthded. CAN I say fourthded.

River - I just saw the cutest little blonde, blue eyed boy with some lolly's - they went that way

Dearest Mav,

I for one and HAPPY that Chrisisalls hands were in his pants (makes for a Happyisall), the you pointed out that Chrisialls hands were in his pants but more importantly I am tickled that you reveal that Chrisialls rocket is plastic.

Oh and some people seem to need some fiber.

---- plus ca change, plus c'est la meme chose

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I am on The List. We are The Forsaken and we aim to burn!
"We don't fear the reaper"

FORSAKEN original

MISSTRESSAHARA

Wednesday, May 16, 2007 12:15 AM

Found out less than an hour ago, my dad said good (and he is old world Catholic, we're talkin Roman Catholic here so that tells you something about the negative impact the guy had on the world and religion in general) And I replied how I would LOVE to be there when he had that final meeting with God, how hilarious it would be to see this man who spread so much distrust and hate in the name of religion had to explain himself to The Big Guy. I laughed and laughed. As they say, the road to hell was paved with good intentions.

Boogah Fallwell. Boogah.

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AURAPTOR

Wednesday, May 16, 2007 12:31 AM

Mr Falwell didn't impact my life, nor did I agree with much about....anything.

Orlando is still earth quake free, despite gays enjoying Disneyland.

I know his family and friends will miss him, and for them I hope some comfort finds its way to ease their grief.

People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

MAVOURNEEN

Wednesday, May 16, 2007 12:36 AM

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Originally posted by FutureMrsFIllion:
more importantly I am tickled that you reveal that Chrisialls rocket is plastic.

Holy Cow! The most important detail and I overlooked it!

Thanks, FMF for backing me up.

How remiss of me.

And I second the "needs more fiber" comment!

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FUTUREMRSFILLION

Wednesday, May 16, 2007 12:41 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Mavourneen:
Quote:
Originally posted by FutureMrsFIllion:
more importantly I am tickled that you reveal that Chrisialls rocket is plastic.

Holy Cow! The most important detail and I overlooked it!

Thanks, FMF for backing me up.

How remiss of me.

And I second the "needs more fiber" comment!

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Have to get the back of my Home girl!

---- plus ca change, plus c'est la meme chose

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I am on The List. We are The Forsaken and we aim to burn!
"We don't fear the reaper"

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BIGDAMNNOBODY

Wednesday, May 16, 2007 1:00 AM

p.s. My fiber intake is fine, thanks for your concern.

p.p.s. Several poster's in this thread stated they were good with the death of another human being, that seem right to you?

FUTUREMRSFILLION

Wednesday, May 16, 2007 1:02 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by BigDamnNobody:

p.s. My fiber intake is fine, thanks for your concern.

p.p.s. Several poster's in this thread stated they were good with the death of another human being, that seem right to you?

If that is the way they feel. It is their right to voice it.
While alive that man certainly had no problem telling my child that he was an aberration, a filth and an abomination just because of the way he was born. That seem right to you?

---- plus ca change, plus c'est la meme chose

Bestower of Titles, Designer of Tshirts, Maker of Mottos, Keeper of the Pyre, Owner of a too big Turnippy smelling coat with MR scratched in the neck (thanks FollowMal!)

I am on The List. We are The Forsaken and we aim to burn!
"We don't fear the reaper"

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BIGDAMNNOBODY

Wednesday, May 16, 2007 1:06 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by FutureMrsFIllion:
While alive that man certainly had no problem telling my child that he was an aberration, a filth and an abomination just because of the way he was born. That seem right to you?

Quote:
Originally posted by FutureMrsFIllion:
If that is the way they feel. It is their right to voice it.

FUTUREMRSFILLION

Wednesday, May 16, 2007 1:12 AM

true. true.

Differece - he was a grownup who brought all this hatred upon himself by his actions.

#1 was born.

I think God will back #1 anyday.

Truthfully how you feel doesn't mean a damn to me.

---- plus ca change, plus c'est la meme chose

Bestower of Titles, Designer of Tshirts, Maker of Mottos, Keeper of the Pyre, Owner of a too big Turnippy smelling coat with MR scratched in the neck (thanks FollowMal!)

I am on The List. We are The Forsaken and we aim to burn!
"We don't fear the reaper"

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FINN MAC CUMHAL

Wednesday, May 16, 2007 1:18 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by BigDamnNobody:

p.s. My fiber intake is fine, thanks for your concern.

p.p.s. Several poster's in this thread stated they were good with the death of another human being, that seem right to you?

Voicing pleasure at the death of another human being whose only crime is not agreeing with you or sharing your religious views comes across as pretty assholish to me.

I’m sure that somewhere he has family that miss him. And whether I agreed with his political views or particular brand of Christianity, there were many that did and felt that his ministries were an important part of their lives. My grandmother was one of those people. I didn’t see what she saw in him, but in some way he enriched her life, and I’m happy for that.

Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

MISSTRESSAHARA

Wednesday, May 16, 2007 1:47 AM

I see dead llamas.

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RUE

Wednesday, May 16, 2007 2:09 AM

Finn,

I'm not trying to be picky but I can see exceptions to this: "Voicing pleasure at the death of another human being whose only crime is not agreeing with you or sharing your religious views comes across as pretty assholish to me."

STORYMARK

Wednesday, May 16, 2007 2:35 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
Voicing pleasure at the death of another human being whose only crime is not agreeing with you or sharing your religious views comes across as pretty assholish to me.

Big difference between "not agreeing" and the hate-mongering he was responsible for.

But you just go right back to feeling superior. Jerry'd be proud.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

FINN MAC CUMHAL

Wednesday, May 16, 2007 2:56 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Storymark:
Big difference between "not agreeing" and the hate-mongering he was responsible for.

Yes, there is. I don’t agree with Jerry Falwell but I’m not happy he’s dead. Finding pleasure in his death, that’s hateful. Evidently, you and Falwell may have a lot more in common then you realize. We’ll all die eventually, and even though I find your opinion detestable, I wouldn’t find any pleasure in your death because of it.

Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

RIVER6213

Wednesday, May 16, 2007 3:11 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Storymark:
Quote:
Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
Voicing pleasure at the death of another human being whose only crime is not agreeing with you or sharing your religious views comes across as pretty assholish to me.

Big difference between "not agreeing" and the hate-mongering he was responsible for.

But you just go right back to feeling superior. Jerry'd be proud.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

Millions of people got duped by Jerry Falwell and people like him. They should have known that he was just a snake oil salesman. He put on a good show so I've heard, and millions of people believed they got something out of it. It appears that him attacking gays, blacks, and liberal ideas was what got him into the lime-light, and made him very popular, so he alone isn't the blame.

All the people who watched him funded him and his ministry, and then they find that when the smoke clears he's just a dirty old bird like you and me....How dare he?

Con artists have used religion to gain money and prestige for hundreds, maybe even thousands of years. We shouldn't be pointing our fingers at Jerry and saying what a bad man he was. We should be pointing the finger at all the people who funded him over the years. Also, I hate to break it to you but "hate" pays. If you can get people to believe that God hates a particular group or idea, that's money in the bank. BTW, racism also pays, and pays, and pays. Figure out a way to prove that even though God created blacks, he hates them, and I bet you a thousand bucks THAT particular religion would become popular in short order.

I think I need to work on a hate speech and start my own ministry. I'm thinking of picking on people who shop at Walmart. This is a sign that they are agents of the Antichrist.

*One thing I'm learning about history is that human beings don't appear to be learning from history.*

-River

HARDWARE

Wednesday, May 16, 2007 3:19 AM

Quote:

I was going to wait three days before commenting...

I guess having commentary on your life and death is one of the prices one pays for fame. I'd agree on three days of silence out of respect, but that doesn't fit our sound-bite world now does it?

Not cleaving to any one religious dogma myself I believe in karma and reincarnation. If you believe in these two mechanisms then you must also understand that you cannot judge the karmic weight of an action based solely on what you know from this life. Any act, no matter how apparently reprehensible could just be balancing karma from a previous life. I'd like to believe that the harm one does in this life is balancing harm one received from others in previous lives.

As far as being a fly on the wall when Falwell finally meets his maker I can only hope and pray that God says; "I love you." as he would to any sheep returning to the flock. After all, forgiveness is given for the asking.

Falwell may have harmed others in this life, he may have encouraged others to hate, but don't we ask God to forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us?

De mortuis nil nisi bonum dicendum est.

The more I get to know people the more I like my dogs.

MISSTRESSAHARA

Wednesday, May 16, 2007 4:11 AM

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RIVER6213

Wednesday, May 16, 2007 4:22 AM

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Originally posted by Hardware:
Quote:

I was going to wait three days before commenting...

Falwell may have harmed others in this life, he may have encouraged others to hate, but don't we ask God to forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us?

dogs.

In case you haven't noticed, it doesn't take much to get us to hate some thing or some one; we didn't, or don't need Falwell for that; the hate was already there...Falwell just gave it a face and a direction, and as far as asking God to forgive us of our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us...good luck on that one buddy. I think you forget what planet we are on.

-River

RUE

Wednesday, May 16, 2007 7:04 AM

"even though I find your opinion detestable, I wouldn’t find any pleasure in your death because of it"

How about relief at the death of others? There are evil people in the world who never hurt a fly but teach and incite others to hate and hurt. And when they die, it feels like relief.

RUE

Wednesday, May 16, 2007 7:25 AM

I've been thinking about this some. If Jesus was alive today he'd be writing Falwell's secret sins in the dust to shame him out of self-righteousness.

FINN MAC CUMHAL

Wednesday, May 16, 2007 11:58 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by rue:
"even though I find your opinion detestable, I wouldn’t find any pleasure in your death because of it"

How about relief at the death of others? There are evil people in the world who never hurt a fly but teach and incite others to hate and hurt. And when they die, it feels like relief.

It doesn’t matter how you whitewash it. It is hatred of a man for his religious beliefs. That’s what it comes down to. Whether one describes it as pleasure or relief, in the end, it is gratification over someone’s death simply because one doesn’t agree with his religious views. If we were talking about someone whose actions had hurt other people, such as the case of Saddam Hussein, I would be inclined to agree with you, but I refuse to accept that someone’s religious views alone should make them such a source of hatred that anyone would find relief in their death.

Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

STORYMARK

Wednesday, May 16, 2007 3:08 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
It doesn’t matter how you whitewash it. It is hatred of a man for his religious beliefs. That’s what it comes down to. Whether one describes it as pleasure or relief, in the end, it is gratification over someone’s death simply because one doesn’t agree with his religious views. If we were talking about someone whose actions had hurt other people, such as the case of Saddam Hussein, I would be inclined to agree with you, but I refuse to accept that someone’s religious views alone should make them such a source of hatred that anyone would find relief in their death.

Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

Bullshit.

Since you seem to be slow...I'll try to make this simple for you: It's not because of his religiouse views. There are lots of people with religions I don't agree with that I get along with just fine. I recently attended the funeral of a Mormon pastor I knew. I didn't agree with his religios views, and frankly find a lot of them quite silly. But he was a good man, who spent his life trying to help others, and I will miss him for the rest of my life.

Fallwell was an prick and a hypocrit who used the faith of others to push his agenda of hate an intollerance. I hated him because he called for the persecution of others, just because he disagreed with them.

I don't hate him because of his religion, and I never wished harm on him. But I don't feel one iota of grief for his death, because he was an asshole, and now that he's gone, the world is a better place without him.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

MALBADINLATIN

Wednesday, May 16, 2007 3:09 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal: I refuse to accept that someone’s religious views alone should make them such a source of hatred

"We reap what we.....how's the rest of that go Finn??.

Mr Fallwell had the right to preach anti gay and anti liberal rhetoric through freedom of religion. Don't be rediculous and think that because someone died...that all the people he offended will sit in silence. I'm not gay, but if I was, I'd be happy that someone who said my very existence is wrong...has finally gone on to judgement. Remember the Munchkins and the witch. Ding Dong blu-blah-blah-blaaah. Anyway...you get my point.

And you can't change that by gettn' all bendy.

RUE

Wednesday, May 16, 2007 3:14 PM

"Whether one describes it as pleasure or relief, in the end, it is gratification over someone’s death simply because one doesn’t agree with his religious views."

Finn, what they said.

And BTW you never responded to my example of Jesus. He didn't tolerate the Falwells of his day. If you are using christianity as a reason for your righteouness, try remembering that little bit as well.

KANEMAN

Wednesday, May 16, 2007 3:27 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by BigDamnNobody:

p.s. My fiber intake is fine, thanks for your concern.

p.p.s. Several poster's in this thread stated they were good with the death of another human being, that seem right to you?

BDN,
In your PPS you seem amazed that all these SHINY FOLKS are happy at the death of another human being....Where have you been? These FOLKS are as SHINY as a fucking four hundred year old unpolished piece of shit...............And that my friend, is true..........

SIGNYM

Wednesday, May 16, 2007 4:08 PM

I don't think Falwell will go anywhere except into the ground. But I'm sure glad he's not here anymore, mucking up other people's lives. It's too bad that he didn't have a change of heart.

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ROCKETJOCK

Wednesday, May 16, 2007 5:18 PM

Okay, first let me establish my feelings on the late Reverend Falwell:

I didn't like him. The man was an opportunistic hypocrite, who supported Jim Crow until such support became a public liability, and then reversed course so fast it could make your head spin. He had an extremely predictable patter. First he'd say something unabashedly hateful against some group or person he perceived as an easy target. Then, when faced with negative feedback, he'd either apologize or deny making the statement, and finally he'd say the same thing, in slightly different wording, with a few weasel words added.

He was, simply, a bigoted BB-brained bully, who represents to me the worst aspects of organized religion.

With that said, I won't pass judgement on his place in the afterlife. I have no specific knowledge of what lies beyond the veil, other than a personal faith that there is something. But that's a faith, not proof.

The only thing about the afterlife that I'm certain of was stated by Spider Robinson in one of his Callahan's Place stories: "The least untrue thing you can say about the afterlife is this: It's going to be a surprise!"

Mr. Falwell would not have agreed with that statement. He believed that he had the inside track on eternity, and that all of God's rules rather conveniently tied in with his own desires and prejudices.

As I said, I have no proof or advance knowledge, but I've still got a gut feeling that Jerry Falwell is feeling rather surprised just about now. And if there's anything to Karma and cosmic justice at all, he's currently being scheduled to reincarnate as a gay, Wiccan person of color somewhere in the Bible belt.

"She's tore up plenty. But she'll fly true." -- Zoë Washburn

FREMDFIRMA

Wednesday, May 16, 2007 6:02 PM

Sorry folks, but..

I'm glad he's dead and I sincerely hope that he's roasting on a spit in his beloved christian hell to sappy organ music with a bunch of damn fools shovelling coal on the fire singin hallelua.

Why ?

Oh anyone can say anything they like, and a man has a right to his opinion, same as anyone else, but when they encourage, directly or indirectly - the destruction of non-believers by any means violent or no, they've crossed a line with me and become a nuisance and a threat.

You can think that I am an asshole all you want, sure - but were you to take that and then go round up a bunch of faithful to kick my ass, yeah, if you wrecked your car en-route and were decapitated sliding under an 18 wheeler, I'd be pretty damn happy about it, make no mistake.

Your right to believe ENDS right when and where your belief requires that I die for mine.

So him, I hope he burns nice and crispy, it's not like he actually practiced the belief he rode to power on anyway.

-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

RUE

Wednesday, May 16, 2007 6:30 PM

On the general topic of an after life, I'd always thought it'd make a good story that people got whatever they believed - heaven and hell, houris, reincarnation ... but I suspect it's already been done.

FINN MAC CUMHAL

Wednesday, May 16, 2007 6:41 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by MalBadInLatin:
"We reap what we.....how's the rest of that go Finn??.

Mr Fallwell had the right to preach anti gay and anti liberal rhetoric through freedom of religion. Don't be rediculous and think that because someone died...that all the people he offended will sit in silence. I'm not gay, but if I was, I'd be happy that someone who said my very existence is wrong...has finally gone on to judgement. Remember the Munchkins and the witch. Ding Dong blu-blah-blah-blaaah. Anyway...you get my point.

No one is asking you to agree with Reverend Falwell or like what he stood for, and no one is even asking you not to hate him, but that doesn’t change that I think it’s assholish to find pleasure in the death of another human being simply because you don’t like what he stood for.

Look, I didn’t agree with everything Falwell had to say, either. I found some of it offensive and some of it just plane stupid. But then again, I can’t say much better about some of the people on this board. Should I hate the people on this board because I find what they say offensive or stupid? Should they hate me? That’s too much hate for me. I’m not stopping you from hating Falwell if that’s what you want, but don’t try to justify it and certainly don’t try to convince me of it. Life is too short and there are too many real evil people in the world to waste energy hating people purely for their beliefs or how they expressed those beliefs.

Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

FINN MAC CUMHAL

Wednesday, May 16, 2007 6:43 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by rue:
And BTW you never responded to my example of Jesus. He didn't tolerate the Falwells of his day. If you are using christianity as a reason for your righteouness, try remembering that little bit as well.

And I didn’t intend to respond. Why should I? Or rather why should Christianity have anything to do with what I’ve expressed in this thread?

But incidentally, since you brought it up, as I remember it, Jesus taught forgiveness and not to judge others. I imagine Falwell would have been included.

Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

RIVER6213

Wednesday, May 16, 2007 6:43 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
Sorry folks, but..

I'm glad he's dead and I sincerely hope that he's roasting on a spit in his beloved christian hell to sappy organ music with a bunch of damn fools shovelling coal on the fire singin hallelua.

Why ?

Oh anyone can say anything they like, and a man has a right to his opinion, same as anyone else, but when they encourage, directly or indirectly - the destruction of non-believers by any means violent or no, they've crossed a line with me and become a nuisance and a threat.

You can think that I am an asshole all you want, sure - but were you to take that and then go round up a bunch of faithful to kick my ass, yeah, if you wrecked your car en-route and were decapitated sliding under an 18 wheeler, I'd be pretty damn happy about it, make no mistake.

Your right to believe ENDS right when and where your belief requires that I die for mine.

So him, I hope he burns nice and crispy, it's not like he actually practiced the belief he rode to power on anyway.

-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

At least you are honest and don't mince words about who you like and dislike.

-River

RUE

Wednesday, May 16, 2007 6:51 PM

"Jesus taught forgiveness and not to judge others."

Yes, and his oft-repeated harsh judgement of hypocrites is a study in self-contradiction. Parisee/ Publican; adulteress/ executioners; money changers ... and so on.

MALBADINLATIN

Wednesday, May 16, 2007 6:58 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
So him, I hope he burns nice and crispy, it's not like he actually practiced the belief he rode to power on anyway.

I/m not sure I'm clear on how you feel about him Frem.

Anyway...is that going to be the special hell reserved for child molesters and people who talk at the theatre?

And you can't change that by gettn' all bendy.

RIVER6213

Wednesday, May 16, 2007 6:58 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by rue:
"Jesus taught forgiveness and not to judge others."

Yes, and his harsh judgement of the hypocrites is a study in self-contradiction.

The people on this planet are not really big into the forgivness thing as history has shown us over and over again. It takes a special personality type to forgive and I don't think that most people have it in them.

Falwell's actions in life didn't affect me one way for another, so I don't really care if he burns or is in heaven right now drinking martini's and laughing at his good fortune.

I know a "snake-oil" salesman when I see or hear one, so there was no way that I could ever have been drawn into a television evangalist's noise, but it appears that millions of other people did listen to him, and give him money and believed as he did. I figure a lot of them got something out of it, so don't totally blame Falwell.

-River

STORYMARK

Wednesday, May 16, 2007 6:58 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
Quote:
Originally posted by MalBadInLatin:
"We reap what we.....how's the rest of that go Finn??.

Mr Fallwell had the right to preach anti gay and anti liberal rhetoric through freedom of religion. Don't be rediculous and think that because someone died...that all the people he offended will sit in silence. I'm not gay, but if I was, I'd be happy that someone who said my very existence is wrong...has finally gone on to judgement. Remember the Munchkins and the witch. Ding Dong blu-blah-blah-blaaah. Anyway...you get my point.
No one is asking you to agree with Reverend Falwell or like what he stood for, and no one is even asking you not to hate him, but that doesn’t change that I think it’s assholish to find pleasure in the death of another human being simply because you don’t like what he stood for.

Look, I didn’t agree with everything Falwell had to say, either. I found some of it offensive and some of it just plane stupid. But then again, I can’t say much better about some of the people on this board. Should I hate the people on this board because I find what they say offensive or stupid? Should they hate me? That’s too much hate for me. I’m not stopping you from hating Falwell if that’s what you want, but don’t try to justify it and certainly don’t try to convince me of it. Life is too short and there are too many real evil people in the world to waste energy hating people purely for their beliefs or how they expressed those beliefs.

Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

You either can't read, or you're too cowardly to address what we've really been saying.

You keep making this about "beliefs", and it's not. It's about his actions.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

FINN MAC CUMHAL

Wednesday, May 16, 2007 7:00 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by rue:
Yes, and his oft-repeated harsh judgement of hypocrites is a study in self-contradiction. Parisee/ Publican; adulteress/ executioners; money changers ... and so on.

So what? Just a minute ago you were chastising me for not following what you claimed was Jesus’ example. Now you’re trying to discredit that example?

Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

FINN MAC CUMHAL

Wednesday, May 16, 2007 7:01 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Storymark:
You either can't read, or you're too cowardly to address what we've really been saying.

You keep making this about "beliefs", and it's not. It's about his actions.

Really? And what actions are those?

Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

RIVER6213

Wednesday, May 16, 2007 7:02 PM

Come on guys! why are you even arguing about this? Falwell was a snake-oil salesman nothing more. Not even worthy of fight.

-River

SIGNYM

Wednesday, May 16, 2007 7:03 PM

Finn- Do you hate radical Muslims? Child molesters? Communists? Just wondering where you draw the line between those you hate and those you don't.

---------------------------------
Always look upstream.

RUE

Wednesday, May 16, 2007 7:06 PM

"Just a minute ago you were chastising me for not following what you claimed was Jesus’ example. Now you’re trying to discredit that example?"

I'm trying to point out that 1) your beliefs are selective and 2) seem to be poorly founded.

For the record I have my own personal philosophy that's not NT. Insofar as Falwell preached hate I thought he poisoned humanity. And while I don't and didn't hate him personally I'm relieved he's no longer spreading his message. If he had simply stopped preaching rather than dying that would have worked for me as well.

FINN MAC CUMHAL

Wednesday, May 16, 2007 7:14 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SignyM:
Finn- Do you hate radical Muslims? Child molesters? Communists? Just wondering where you draw the line between those you hate and those you don't.

That's generalizing quite a bit. Radical Muslims and Communists may describe people with philosophical or religious views. Child molesters imply something more hands on. So of the three child molesters seem most likely to draw the least sympathy from me. But it’s a case by case thing.

Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

FINN MAC CUMHAL

Wednesday, May 16, 2007 7:15 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by rue:
I'm trying to point out that 1) your beliefs are selective and 2) seem to be poorly founded.

Well, I think you failed.

Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

KHYRON

Wednesday, May 16, 2007 7:16 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by RiveR6213:
Come on guys! why are you even arguing about this? Falwell was a snake-oil salesman nothing more. Not even worthy of fight.

Seconded.

Questions are a burden to others. Answers are prison for oneself.

RUE

Wednesday, May 16, 2007 7:22 PM

reposted as the thread has gone on -

For the record I have my own personal philosophy that's not NT. Insofar as Falwell preached hate I thought he poisoned humanity. And while I don't and didn't hate him personally I'm relieved he's no longer spreading his message. If he had simply stopped preaching rather than dying that would have worked for me as well.

WHODIED

Wednesday, May 16, 2007 7:38 PM

Here's, I think, a rather venomous-and accurate-take on the terrible loss of the good reverend:

http://www.slate.com/id/2166337/fr/nl/

--WhoDied

_______________________

He’s out behind the church. The last grave on the left.

SIGNYM

Wednesday, May 16, 2007 7:44 PM

Quote:
That's generalizing quite a bit. Radical Muslims and Communists may describe people with philosophical or religious views. Child molesters imply something more hands on. So of the three child molesters seem most likely to draw the least sympathy from me. But it’s a case by case thing.

Case by case... like abortion? I'm just pointing out that sometimes you yourself make rather broad generalizations, and at other times you decide it's case by case.
---------------------------------
Always look upstream.

OLDENGLANDDRY

Wednesday, May 16, 2007 7:55 PM

How long will it be I wonder (if it has'nt already happened, that is) before his death is claimed as an asasination "perped" by Mosad or some other Jewish backed "satanic" conspiricy.

I cant wait.

I might even start the rumour myself to see how many dimwits pick up on it.
I could write a book to see how many dimwits buy it and make a shit load of money.
Hmmmm....

BIGDAMNNOBODY

Wednesday, May 16, 2007 9:00 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by rue:
reposted as the thread has gone on -

For the record I have my own personal philosophy that's not NT. Insofar as Falwell preached hate I thought he poisoned humanity. And while I don't and didn't hate him personally I'm relieved he's no longer spreading his message. If he had simply stopped preaching rather than dying that would have worked for me as well.

So you did not have a problem with the messenger, just the message. You think the message will change now that he's gone?

BIGDAMNNOBODY

Wednesday, May 16, 2007 9:01 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SignyM:
Case by case... like abortion? I'm just pointing out that sometimes you yourself make rather broad generalizations, and at other times you decide it's case by case.

Slick.

FREDGIBLET

Wednesday, May 16, 2007 9:03 PM

Don't know if it's real or not but...
http://go.fark.com/cgi/fark/go.pl?i=2807481&l=http://tinyurl.com/2lwod
x

FINN MAC CUMHAL

Wednesday, May 16, 2007 9:12 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SignyM:
Case by case... like abortion? I'm just pointing out that sometimes you yourself make rather broad generalizations, and at other times you decide it's case by case.

Yeah you've lost me. I don’t think you’re pointing that out very well. Certainly not in any way that makes sense to me. And I'm not even sure what generalizations have to do with what we're talking about.

Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

FINN MAC CUMHAL

Wednesday, May 16, 2007 9:22 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by oldenglanddry:
How long will it be I wonder (if it has'nt already happened, that is) before his death is claimed as an asasination "perped" by Mosad or some other Jewish backed "satanic" conspiricy.

Why would the Mossad want to assassinate Jerry Falwell?

You'd really need some pretty dumb people to believe that. And while there are probably people that dumb in isolated pockets, I don't know that the communications between them is consistent enough to spread that conspiracy theory too far.

On the other hand, I'm generally wrong about how dumb people can be. Maybe I have too much confidence in people.

Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

CHRISISALL

Wednesday, May 16, 2007 9:28 PM

Please, before any more anger is expressed, I plead with y'all to look at this:
http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2007/05/16/falwell_tinky/index.ht
ml?source=rss

It sums up how many might feel deep down...
(Courtesy Moby Vic, Serenitymovie.org)

Chrisisall

STORYMARK

Wednesday, May 16, 2007 9:48 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SignyM:
Quote:
That's generalizing quite a bit. Radical Muslims and Communists may describe people with philosophical or religious views. Child molesters imply something more hands on. So of the three child molesters seem most likely to draw the least sympathy from me. But it’s a case by case thing.
Case by case... like abortion? I'm just pointing out that sometimes you yourself make rather broad generalizations, and at other times you decide it's case by case.
---------------------------------
Always look upstream.

I think Finnwill just take whichever stance allows him to act self-righteous, and attack certain posters.

But it doesn't really matter. I don't care if I have Finn's approval.

A bad man is dead and I'm totally cool with that.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

OLDENGLANDDRY

Wednesday, May 16, 2007 9:57 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
Quote:
Originally posted by oldenglanddry:
How long will it be I wonder (if it has'nt already happened, that is) before his death is claimed as an asasination "perped" by Mosad or some other Jewish backed "satanic" conspiricy.
Why would the Mossad want to assassinate Jerry Falwell?

You'd really need some pretty dumb people to believe that. And while there are probably people that dumb in isolated pockets, I don't know that the communications between them is consistent enough to spread that conspiracy theory too far.

On the other hand, I'm generally wrong about how dumb people can be. Maybe I have too much confidence in people.

Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

There is many a dumb person out there willing to believe just about anything if you put the words "Jew", "Isreal" and "Conspiracy" in the same paragraph.
Watch this space (or indeed "myspace" ), I'm sure keyboards are a-clicking even now.

OLDENGLANDDRY

Wednesday, May 16, 2007 10:00 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by fredgiblet:
Don't know if it's real or not but...
http://go.fark.com/cgi/fark/go.pl?i=2807481&l=http://tinyurl.com/2lwod
x

Almost certainly real, but what the Hell does "irrefragable" mean? Is it even a word?

FINN MAC CUMHAL

Wednesday, May 16, 2007 10:43 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by oldenglanddry:
Almost certainly real, but what the Hell does "irrefragable" mean? Is it even a word?

Impossible to refute.

Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

FINN MAC CUMHAL

Wednesday, May 16, 2007 10:43 PM

This never happened!

KHYRON

Wednesday, May 16, 2007 11:02 PM

Finn double posts... my world view is shattered!

I'll be in the pub.

Questions are a burden to others. Answers are prison for oneself.

SOUPCATCHER

Thursday, May 17, 2007 8:12 AM

Check back in a couple decades. It'll take that long before the winners write the history. The short answer, to bastardize a popular tune, is that Falwell was dominionist before dominionist was cool.

If the dominionists win, and the United States has moved closer and closer towards no separation between church and state, then Falwell will be seen as a trailbreaker. A maverick. The man who led us out of the wilderness. And if the Southern Baptist Convention manages to establish itself as the offical denomination of the United States, then Falwell's statue, and not monuments to the 10 Commandments, could become de rigeur at courthouses across the land. Or at least he will be seen as the patron saint of the American version of the auto-de-fe.

If the dominionists fail then Falwell will be seen as a charlatan, a two-bit huckster who shilled millions out of their hard earned cash on empty promises.

In terms of eulogies, I think Sara Robinson at Orcinus has penned the best one:

Quote:
excerpted from http://dneiwert.blogspot.com/2007/05/that-old-time-religion.html
...
But the glory faded through the 80s, as Falwell turned from churchbuilding and kingmaking to petty libel battles (most notably the one with Larry Flynt); as the press and the courts began to take notice of the ways in which he blurred the lines of church and state separation; and as politicians turned out to be very happy to take the Moral Majority's money, but less enthusiastic about enshrining its morality as federal law. His attempted turnaround of Jim Bakker's Heritage USA enterprises ended in bankruptcy court; and in 1989, the Moral Majority was absorbed into his friend Pat Robertson's Christian Coalition.

Falwell himself was never much of a political or cultural force after that. But it's arguable that if there's one person without whom the religious right would never have risen -- and the GOP's hegemony would never have been possible -- Jerry Falwell was that guy. By organizing traditionally apolitical Evangelicals into the country's dominant political force, he provided the GOP with the essential base of support that's undergirded everything they've done in (and to) America over the past 27 years.
...

As Mrs. Robinson points out, there were plenty of tele-evangelists who were more successful. And plenty of Christian political College founders who were more successful (we only have to look at the Regent University alumnists hired by the Justice Department to see how affirmative action can benefit third tier college graduates - Monica Goodling, we bow to thee, and swear fealty).

Falwell peaked in the eighties. But he served a useful purpose in the anti-Enlightenment crusade of redefining what was acceptable for ultra-conservatives re: politics.

His biggest sin, in terms of tactical mistakes, was trying to start the endgame too early. He failed to recognize the potential in September 11, 2001. In his statements that the US deserved the 9/11 attacks because of our acceptance of homosexuality and abortion he tipped his hand that the overall goal was a purge. The actual approach that was used by the Republican Party - move towards one-party rule and brand anyone who disagreed as a traitor - was much more effective because it built off the "rallying around the flag" impulse. In short, Falwell was so fixated that he was unable to modify his positions and take advantage of the opportunity.

He was, to paraphrase TRex at FDL, a rock throwing villager who gained a national platform. In earlier times, he would've been the one leading a mob of torch bearing pitchfork wielders intent on burning one person at a stake. Scary if you're that person, but not a threat if you live far way from that village. In our times he became the leader of a multi-million dollar empire with a national platform and the ear of Presidents and a threat to everyone he deemed a sinner.

Like the hydra, there are nine more chomping to take up the bit.

OLDENGLANDDRY

Thursday, May 17, 2007 2:48 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
Quote:
Originally posted by oldenglanddry:
Almost certainly real, but what the Hell does "irrefragable" mean? Is it even a word?
Impossible to refute.

Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

So IRREFUTABLE then?

FINN MAC CUMHAL

Thursday, May 17, 2007 7:02 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Khyron:
Finn double posts... my world view is shattered!

I'll be in the pub.

It never happened, I tell you. I’ll deny it.

Quote:
Originally posted by oldenglanddry:
So IRREFUTABLE then?

Yes. Irrefutable. “Irrefragable” means exactly the same thing as irrefutable, except that it tends to be used by pompous types who think they’ve got it all figured out. At least that’s my experience.

And my experience is irrefragably true.

Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

RUE

Thursday, May 17, 2007 7:15 PM

Hi Soup,

Thanks for the post.

MARINA

Thursday, May 17, 2007 7:41 PM

Here's a video of Hitchens discussing Falwell's hate-spewing and the effect his bigotry had on a global level. Maybe this will give you some idea of why so many people are glad he won't be spreading lies and hatred anymore.

Don't make faces.

http://amaranton.wordpress.com

FINN MAC CUMHAL

Thursday, May 17, 2007 7:46 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by marina:
Maybe this will give you some idea of why so many people are glad he won't be spreading lies and hatred anymore.

Why? Actually all it does is tell me this is what Hitchen’s thinks, not “so many people.”

Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

MARINA

Thursday, May 17, 2007 8:09 PM

.

FINN MAC CUMHAL

Thursday, May 17, 2007 8:45 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by marina:
This will be my last response to you,

Promise?

Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

BIGDAMNNOBODY

Thursday, May 17, 2007 9:00 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by marina:
you've been going crazy at the number of people on this board who are expressing anything less than regret or sorrow and kept asking them to explain WHY they felt that they had reasons to dislike him beyond his faith.

A very legitimate question don't you think? Some Posters even gave reasons for their hate after much prompting. Was it the individual or his message? Was it the financial and political power which he wielded? Was it his personal life? His religious beliefes? Was it jealousy? How about free speech issues or the fact that Larry Flynt himself stated Falwell was a man of integrity. So many better topics to discuss than "I'm glad he's dead".
Would you want members of Falwell's family stumbling across the crass comments found in this thread?

Quote:
he wasn't just a religious fundamentalist, he was a DANGEROUS religious fundamentalist who had tangible effects on peoples' lives.

Try to look at both sides of the coin. He had tangible effects on people's lives, both Bad and Good. But I do realize that hate is the easier road to take so enjoy the trip.

FREDGIBLET

Thursday, May 17, 2007 9:13 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by BigDamnNobody:
But I do realize that hate is the easier road to take so enjoy the trip.

Anyone else find this just a touch ironic, since it's the path that Falwell himself took?

BIGDAMNNOBODY

Thursday, May 17, 2007 9:20 PM

Do as I say, not as I do?

eta: seriously, are you bringing out the old 'well he started it' defence? It's okay to hate Falwell because he was full of hate?

OLDENGLANDDRY

Thursday, May 17, 2007 10:17 PM

Well, my reasons for hating him are irrefragable.

FREDGIBLET

Thursday, May 17, 2007 10:53 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by BigDamnNobody:
eta: seriously, are you bringing out the old 'well he started it' defence? It's okay to hate Falwell because he was full of hate?

No, I'm pointing out that it seems like you are dismissing marina for taking the easy path of hate when Falwell does the same thing.

KANEMAN

Thursday, May 17, 2007 11:03 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by fredgiblet:
Quote:
Originally posted by BigDamnNobody:
eta: seriously, are you bringing out the old 'well he started it' defence? It's okay to hate Falwell because he was full of hate?

No, I'm pointing out that it seems like you are dismissing marina for taking the easy path of hate when Falwell does the same thing.

This thread is about Falwell....not marina...Idiot....stay off BDN's ass

FINN MAC CUMHAL

Thursday, May 17, 2007 11:05 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by fredgiblet:
No, I'm pointing out that it seems like you are dismissing marina for taking the easy path of hate when Falwell does the same thing.

If I hate the hater, am I any better? Yes, but not enough.

Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

FREDGIBLET

Thursday, May 17, 2007 11:22 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by kaneman:
Quote:
Originally posted by fredgiblet:
Quote:
Originally posted by BigDamnNobody:
eta: seriously, are you bringing out the old 'well he started it' defence? It's okay to hate Falwell because he was full of hate?

No, I'm pointing out that it seems like you are dismissing marina for taking the easy path of hate when Falwell does the same thing.

This thread is about Falwell....not marina...Idiot....stay off BDN's ass

Did you notice that both the post you responded to as well as the previous post by me mentioned Falwell? No? And I'm the idiot?

BIGDAMNNOBODY

Friday, May 18, 2007 12:56 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by fredgiblet:
No, I'm pointing out that it seems like you are dismissing marina for taking the easy path of hate when Falwell does the same thing.

Which is precisely my point. Posters have inferred that they hate Falwell because he was full of hate. Perhaps more self-introspection is needed at times of passing.

RUE

Friday, May 18, 2007 1:16 AM

You can be glad to be free of something without hating.

Almost no one here used the word hate.

BIGDAMNNOBODY

Friday, May 18, 2007 1:47 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by rue:
Almost no one here used the word hate.

Do the math.

RUE

Friday, May 18, 2007 1:59 AM

This is what you said: "Some Posters even gave reasons for their hate ... " And yet, only one poster said they hated Falwell. Just one. The math is very simple.

FINN MAC CUMHAL

Friday, May 18, 2007 2:04 AM

No one hates Jerry Falwell. They’re just glad he’s dead so that they can be free of the burden of the possibility that he might occasionally make brief appearances in the news and say something they don’t agree with or find offensive.

Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

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