Jerry Falwell dead at 73
POSTED BY: Geezer
UPDATED: Sunday, May 20, 2007 16:55
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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
It doesn’t matter how you whitewash it. It is hatred of a man for his religious beliefs. That’s what it comes down to. Whether one describes it as pleasure or relief, in the end, it is gratification over someone’s death simply because one doesn’t agree with his religious views. If we were talking about someone whose actions had hurt other people, such as the case of Saddam Hussein, I would be inclined to agree with you, but I refuse to accept that someone’s religious views alone should make them such a source of hatred that anyone would find relief in their death.
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
Bullshit.
Since you seem to be slow...I'll try to make this simple for you: It's not because of his religiouse views. There are lots of people with religions I don't agree with that I get along with just fine. I recently attended the funeral of a Mormon pastor I knew. I didn't agree with his religios views, and frankly find a lot of them quite silly. But he was a good man, who spent his life trying to help others, and I will miss him for the rest of my life.
Fallwell was an prick and a hypocrit who used the faith of others to push his agenda of hate an intollerance. I hated him because he called for the persecution of others, just because he disagreed with them.
I don't hate him because of his religion, and I never wished harm on him. But I don't feel one iota of grief for his death, because he was an asshole, and now that he's gone, the world is a better place without him.
"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."
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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal: I refuse to accept that someone’s religious views alone should make them such a source of hatred
"We reap what we.....how's the rest of that go Finn??.
Mr Fallwell had the right to preach anti gay and anti liberal rhetoric through freedom of religion. Don't be rediculous and think that because someone died...that all the people he offended will sit in silence. I'm not gay, but if I was, I'd be happy that someone who said my very existence is wrong...has finally gone on to judgement. Remember the Munchkins and the witch. Ding Dong blu-blah-blah-blaaah. Anyway...you get my point.
And you can't change that by gettn' all bendy.
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"Whether one describes it as pleasure or relief, in the end, it is gratification over someone’s death simply because one doesn’t agree with his religious views."
Finn, what they said.
And BTW you never responded to my example of Jesus. He didn't tolerate the Falwells of his day. If you are using christianity as a reason for your righteouness, try remembering that little bit as well.
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Originally posted by BigDamnNobody:
p.s. My fiber intake is fine, thanks for your concern.
p.p.s. Several poster's in this thread stated they were good with the death of another human being, that seem right to you?
BDN,
In your PPS you seem amazed that all these SHINY FOLKS are happy at the death of another human being....Where have you been? These FOLKS are as SHINY as a fucking four hundred year old unpolished piece of shit...............And that my friend, is true..........
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I don't think Falwell will go anywhere except into the ground. But I'm sure glad he's not here anymore, mucking up other people's lives. It's too bad that he didn't have a change of heart.
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Always look upstream.
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Okay, first let me establish my feelings on the late Reverend Falwell:
I didn't like him. The man was an opportunistic hypocrite, who supported Jim Crow until such support became a public liability, and then reversed course so fast it could make your head spin. He had an extremely predictable patter. First he'd say something unabashedly hateful against some group or person he perceived as an easy target. Then, when faced with negative feedback, he'd either apologize or deny making the statement, and finally he'd say the same thing, in slightly different wording, with a few weasel words added.
He was, simply, a bigoted BB-brained bully, who represents to me the worst aspects of organized religion.
With that said, I won't pass judgement on his place in the afterlife. I have no specific knowledge of what lies beyond the veil, other than a personal faith that there is something. But that's a faith, not proof.
The only thing about the afterlife that I'm certain of was stated by Spider Robinson in one of his Callahan's Place stories: "The least untrue thing you can say about the afterlife is this: It's going to be a surprise!"
Mr. Falwell would not have agreed with that statement. He believed that he had the inside track on eternity, and that all of God's rules rather conveniently tied in with his own desires and prejudices.
As I said, I have no proof or advance knowledge, but I've still got a gut feeling that Jerry Falwell is feeling rather surprised just about now. And if there's anything to Karma and cosmic justice at all, he's currently being scheduled to reincarnate as a gay, Wiccan person of color somewhere in the Bible belt.
"She's tore up plenty. But she'll fly true." -- Zoë Washburn
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Sorry folks, but..
I'm glad he's dead and I sincerely hope that he's roasting on a spit in his beloved christian hell to sappy organ music with a bunch of damn fools shovelling coal on the fire singin hallelua. 
Why ?
Oh anyone can say anything they like, and a man has a right to his opinion, same as anyone else, but when they encourage, directly or indirectly - the destruction of non-believers by any means violent or no, they've crossed a line with me and become a nuisance and a threat.
You can think that I am an asshole all you want, sure - but were you to take that and then go round up a bunch of faithful to kick my ass, yeah, if you wrecked your car en-route and were decapitated sliding under an 18 wheeler, I'd be pretty damn happy about it, make no mistake.
Your right to believe ENDS right when and where your belief requires that I die for mine.
So 
him, I hope he burns nice and crispy, it's not like he actually practiced the belief he rode to power on anyway.
-Frem
It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it
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On the general topic of an after life, I'd always thought it'd make a good story that people got whatever they believed - heaven and hell, houris, reincarnation ... but I suspect it's already been done.
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Quote:No one is asking you to agree with Reverend Falwell or like what he stood for, and no one is even asking you not to hate him, but that doesn’t change that I think it’s assholish to find pleasure in the death of another human being simply because you don’t like what he stood for.
Originally posted by MalBadInLatin:
"We reap what we.....how's the rest of that go Finn??.
Mr Fallwell had the right to preach anti gay and anti liberal rhetoric through freedom of religion. Don't be rediculous and think that because someone died...that all the people he offended will sit in silence. I'm not gay, but if I was, I'd be happy that someone who said my very existence is wrong...has finally gone on to judgement. Remember the Munchkins and the witch. Ding Dong blu-blah-blah-blaaah. Anyway...you get my point.
Look, I didn’t agree with everything Falwell had to say, either. I found some of it offensive and some of it just plane stupid. But then again, I can’t say much better about some of the people on this board. Should I hate the people on this board because I find what they say offensive or stupid? Should they hate me? That’s too much hate for me. I’m not stopping you from hating Falwell if that’s what you want, but don’t try to justify it and certainly don’t try to convince me of it. Life is too short and there are too many real evil people in the world to waste energy hating people purely for their beliefs or how they expressed those beliefs.
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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Quote:And I didn’t intend to respond. Why should I? Or rather why should Christianity have anything to do with what I’ve expressed in this thread?
Originally posted by rue:
And BTW you never responded to my example of Jesus. He didn't tolerate the Falwells of his day. If you are using christianity as a reason for your righteouness, try remembering that little bit as well.
But incidentally, since you brought it up, as I remember it, Jesus taught forgiveness and not to judge others. I imagine Falwell would have been included.
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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