Gender and Violence and Blame
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UPDATED: Tuesday, August 25, 2026 20:14
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Rapes tend to be about power.
That's pretty much exactly what I said.
"Crime of passion" means it wasn't really done with malice aforethought. They just got the urge then acted on it. Saw an opportunity - a drunk girl, an girl all on her lonesome in a dark part of a park, the girl is in their house and they're too horny to stop - and they acted on it.
Honestly, I think stuff like date rape drugs should be prosecuted more than the other stuff, because it suggested they THOUGHT about it in advance. That's so psychopathic it even bothers me. But then again I have no problem doing away with just the general rapists, so I'm not sure how to give a harsher punishment to people who use roofies.
EDIT: I made an oops. No, I do not want to do away with general rape victims. o.0 Big oops.
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Originally posted by AnthonyT:Quote:
Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
Understood, Anthony. 10% of 300 million is not most, but it is still 30 million, which is a lot.
In any case, how many of the survivors do you think, if they had the option that night to really hurt their attacker, they would have done it, even if it meant they might die?
Once again, I suspect many of them would.
Hello,
In my experience, you'd do anything to escape, to get away, to get safe. The desire is one to survive and to do so intact if possible.
The desire to die comes later. When it's all over.
And yeah, if you can get safe by killing someone, that's good.
But causing pain in exchange for your life is not likely on your mind when trying to escape such an attack. The pain's only value at that point would be if it helps you get away.
In my experience.
But perhaps once so abused, the mind can be twisted so that revenge is more important than escape. And then maybe the next abuser... maybe you'd be willing to die just to hurt them.
--Anthony
Note to Self:
Raptor - woman testifying about birth control is a slut (the term applies.)
Context: http://tinyurl.com/d6ozfej
Six - Wow, isn't Niki quite the CUNT? And, yes, I spell that in all caps....
http://tinyurl.com/bdjgbpe
Wulf - Niki is a stupid fucking bitch who should hurry up and die.
Context: http://tinyurl.com/afve3r9
“The stupid neither forgive nor forget; the naive forgive and forget; the wise forgive but do not forget.” -T. S. Szasz
I'd really only been molested once by a stranger, and I was about ready to kill them if they hadn't run off. Even calling it molestation is actually probably stretching it a little, because they just grabbed me, and it wasn't even a big deal because I never actually felt like I was in danger. But my basic attitude is always a generalized I don't care how much I get hurt so long as I hurt them too. So maybe whether you're willing to die depends on the attitude you have going in.
Actual rape? That's really bad. :( I'm sorry Anthony.
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OK, I get your point.
So those 6 men who mortally beat and raped the woman and severely beat her boyfriend - was it a combination of momentary extreme passion and opportunity, or a pre-assessed course of action (this kind of thing is OK) where the opportunity presented itself and there was no reason to not?
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Not familiar with that specific case, but... Off hand I'd say that gang bangers tend to feel a safety in numbers power trip kind of thing. So even with her boyfriend there, she and her boyfriend may have looked like easy pickings. It sounds to me like an attack of opportunity, and therefore also a crime of passion.
For it to have been planned in advance, there'd need to be like a revenge motive or something. Perhaps there was one, I don't know, not familiar with the case.
They could have even been planning revenge and attacking the boyfriend, and then catching his girlfriend all alone after that was just a bonus. In which case the attack on her boyfriend would have been planned, but the attack on the girlfriend was a crime of passion.
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Originally posted by 1kiki:
"Shouldn't everyone get to live the way they want to?"
Was that in opposition or support? Personally, I think if a community of women - or men - who prefer to live together exclusively were to be formed, I think it would be exactly that, everyone getting to live the way they want.
Hello,
How can "Shouldn't everyone get to live the way they want to?" be perceived as opposition?
--Anthony
Note to Self:
Raptor - woman testifying about birth control is a slut (the term applies.)
Context: http://tinyurl.com/d6ozfej
Six - Wow, isn't Niki quite the CUNT? And, yes, I spell that in all caps....
http://tinyurl.com/bdjgbpe
Wulf - Niki is a stupid fucking bitch who should hurry up and die.
Context: http://tinyurl.com/afve3r9
“The stupid neither forgive nor forget; the naive forgive and forget; the wise forgive but do not forget.” -T. S. Szasz
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Hello,
This gang rape thing reminds me of A Clockwork Orange, where a bunch of people go out with the intention of committing some rape and ultraviolence. They find a target of opportunity and engage in what they are likely to call a good bit of fun.
Which is really fucking sick, and speaks to a sickness amongst the population.
--Anthony
Note to Self:
Raptor - woman testifying about birth control is a slut (the term applies.)
Context: http://tinyurl.com/d6ozfej
Six - Wow, isn't Niki quite the CUNT? And, yes, I spell that in all caps....
http://tinyurl.com/bdjgbpe
Wulf - Niki is a stupid fucking bitch who should hurry up and die.
Context: http://tinyurl.com/afve3r9
“The stupid neither forgive nor forget; the naive forgive and forget; the wise forgive but do not forget.” -T. S. Szasz
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It was ambiguous to me. I guess I'm tone deaf. OOPS. Sorry 'bout that.
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Quote:The hell? Seriously, Byte, no. You are simply clueless on the subject of rape. You're all fear and fascination and no reality here.
Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
Organic rapes are crimes of passion, but using an object, to me that seems to be about shaming a person. It's two different things. You can't cut down on the object rape, but you probably would cut down on organic rape.
Rape is a crime of passion? And only with objects is it gonna be about humiliating the victim? "Organic rape?" That's something you just made up off the top of your head, isn't it?
Rape is always about humiliation. It's always about control. It's about revenge. It's about rage. Sex is merely the means to an end in rape. Rape is, as you say, a fate worse than death and the rapist knows that as well as anyone. And no, rape is not a crime of passion. Rape is nothing that's gonna come about spontaneously 'cause the rapist got angry. Rape is something acted out in the mind of the rapist countless times before he/she finally enacts his/her fantasy.
Quote:Good god, Byte, this guff is straight out of a trashy novel. Rape at gun point? The VAAAAAAST majority of rape does not involve any such weapon. Christ, most rapes are perpetrated by men known to the victim. Byte, you are seriously talking fantasyland here.
If only because, imagine a guy holding a woman at knife or gun point, ordering her to remove her protection. Says she says no, because maybe she's like me and thinks the rape that would come after that would be worse than death.
Quote:Pure, pulp fantasy garbage.
Three possibilities remain for the man: kill the woman and then be forced to give up because the woman would not remove the contraption, remove the contraption himself while she's dead, or give up. And the most likely option there is: he gives up, because what's the fun for him raping a dead chick? He doesn't get the power rush of watching her be afraid, or the power rush of forcing her to submit to him.
Once the girl has protection like that, all a would be rapist has left is a bluff.
This insert thing is a grotesque fantasy worthy of John Ringo or Norman Mailer and would simply not work because the sex part of an act of rape, as I've said, is a means to an end. If vaginal intercourse were suddenly off the menu, then yeah, the guy would find some other way to "put the woman in her place" which was his intention all along.
People, please, don't talk about rape as if you know what the heck you're talking about unless you know what the heck you're talking about. It's insulting to those of us who have actually lived through the experience.
Jeez Marie, we have so far to go as a species when it comes to understanding ourselves.
HKCavalier
Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.
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Good god, Byte, this guff is straight out of a trashy novel. Rape at gun point? The VAAAAAAST majority of rape does not involve any such weapon. Christ, most rapes are perpetrated by men known to the victim. Byte, you are seriously talking fantasyland here.
HEY! I was ANSWERING a question asked to me by 1kiki. It's not my fault if the scenario she came up with seems so lacking to YOU.
It seems pretty serious business to me though, so step off!
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People, please, don't talk about rape as if you know what the heck you're talking about unless you know what the heck you're talking about. It's insulting to those of us who have actually lived through the experience.
FUUUUUUUUCK YOUUUUUUU
Fuck you for talking down to me, fuck you for feeling so high and mighty you get to decide what I've been through, FUCK YOU!
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