Gender and Violence and Blame
POSTED BY: Magonsdaughter
UPDATED: Tuesday, August 25, 2026 20:14
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Quote:No, Byte, as I said in the comments you JUST quoted: I don't want you to talk about it "AS IF" you know what you're talking about when you don't. There are lots of ways to talk about something you're not an authority on, without pretending that you are.
Originally posted by BYTEMITE:Quote:
ACTUALLY, I asked EVERYONE, not just you, because several folk were speculating on the effects of a vaginally incertd weapon (VIW)--to please not talk about shit they don't know about as if they did.
Oh? You clearly think I don't know what I'm talking about, and you clearly think I shouldn't talk about shit I don't know about.
WHAT THE FUCK ELSE DOES THAT MEAN BUT SHUT UP?
Yes, DEAR, I'll shut up and get back in the KITCHEN! Oh yes, I'll stop talking about my silly grandstanding morbid fascination because I don't know ANYTHING about it. It's my very own kind of pornography, you know!
Byte, think. After all these years of you accusing me of wanting you to shut up, don't you think that if it were remotely true I would have admitted it by now??? That your constant accusations would have pushed me to blurt, "Oh my god, would you please shut up!" or something? Or somebody besides you would have accused me of wanting you to shut up?
And besides, isn't telling someone to shut up on the internet just about the most ineffectual thing a person could possibly do? Do you seriously think I'm that petty and foolish?
HKCavalier
Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.
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Women are to blame for not loving their men/boys, thus driving them insane towards violence.
Dick Cheney's wife and spawn are both lesbians.
I rest my case.
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Six - Wow, isn't Niki quite the CUNT? And, yes, I spell that in all caps....
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Wulf - Niki is a stupid fucking bitch who should hurry up and die.
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Note to Self:
Raptor - woman testifying about birth control is a slut (the term applies.)
Context: http://tinyurl.com/d6ozfej
Six - Wow, isn't Niki quite the CUNT? And, yes, I spell that in all caps....
http://tinyurl.com/bdjgbpe
Wulf - Niki is a stupid fucking bitch who should hurry up and die.
Context: http://tinyurl.com/afve3r9
“The stupid neither forgive nor forget; the naive forgive and forget; the wise forgive but do not forget.” -T. S. Szasz
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Quote:Violent TV shows, movies and video games, along with a predisposition to conflate violence with sex, or violence with pleasure? Seems to be that this violent visualizing has a lot of corporate help.
Anyway, back to the original subject of the thread: serial killers, mass murderers and rapists all have something in common psychologically. They all rehearse and fantasize their crimes well in advance, sometimes for years, before actually carrying them out. Any man who rapes has wanted to rape for a very long time before he goes through with it, finally. Same with serial killers and child molesters. There's got to be a reason they have these fantasies.
One of the things that bothers me is that alternate resolution.... negotiation, compromise, even walking away... are never modeled anywhere in the media, or if they are it's only as a prelude to splattery righteous bloodbath.
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Hello,
We all watch and enjoy violent entertainment. I'm guessing we're not all violent people.
I don't think it's Hollywood's fault. Nor the game developers.
I heard this sort of thing back in the day, with Dungeons and Dragons. Some D&D players became violent, so D&D was set to blame. They even made a Tom Hanks movie about it, if memory serves.
I didn't think much of it at the time, and still don't.
--Anthony
Note to Self:
Raptor - woman testifying about birth control is a slut (the term applies.)
Context: http://tinyurl.com/d6ozfej
Six - Wow, isn't Niki quite the CUNT? And, yes, I spell that in all caps....
http://tinyurl.com/bdjgbpe
Wulf - Niki is a stupid fucking bitch who should hurry up and die.
Context: http://tinyurl.com/afve3r9
“The stupid neither forgive nor forget; the naive forgive and forget; the wise forgive but do not forget.” -T. S. Szasz
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Hey Signy,
I don't think it's at all that simple. There is a use and a misuse of violent stories. Violent stories have been needed since we first sat around a fire and tried to move people. The old Punch and Judy Show was grotesquely violent, but it did not make its audience into murderers.
There is catharsis. Serial killers, mass murderers and rapists don't seem to have access to catharsis unless they act out. For some reason the story is never enough for such people and they have to act to achieve catharsis. Abusers cannot feel certain feelings so they force those feelings onto others. The feeling needs to be expressed one way or another, or so it seems. Their problem is that they have somehow radically lost access to their inner lives.
This is not the norm. But Hollywood violence is the norm. This part of culture I don't see as a chicken and egg situation. The violent acting out comes first and art follows it up with a dream of understanding. Every work of art, from Shakespeare to T.J. Hooker to Jersey Shore is trying to make meaning out of chaos, to create a moral order, to solve basic problems in survival vicariously. It's why we animals bother to make art and it's why we animals feel compelled to take it in. There's something there, in the story, that compels us. But for the serial murderers, mass murders and rapists, art simply cannot take the place of action. They must make their nightmares real for some reason, while the rest of us are content with waking up and with shuddering and with the gratitude that it was all just a dream.
HKCavalier
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Originally posted by HKCavalier:Quote:No, Byte, as I said in the comments you JUST quoted: I don't want you to talk about it "AS IF" you know what you're talking about when you don't. There are lots of ways to talk about something you're not an authority on, without pretending that you are.
Originally posted by BYTEMITE:Quote:
ACTUALLY, I asked EVERYONE, not just you, because several folk were speculating on the effects of a vaginally incertd weapon (VIW)--to please not talk about shit they don't know about as if they did.
Oh? You clearly think I don't know what I'm talking about, and you clearly think I shouldn't talk about shit I don't know about.
WHAT THE FUCK ELSE DOES THAT MEAN BUT SHUT UP?
Yes, DEAR, I'll shut up and get back in the KITCHEN! Oh yes, I'll stop talking about my silly grandstanding morbid fascination because I don't know ANYTHING about it. It's my very own kind of pornography, you know!
Byte, think. After all these years of you accusing me of wanting you to shut up, don't you think that if it were remotely true I would have admitted it by now??? That your constant accusations would have pushed me to blurt, "Oh my god, would you please shut up!" or something? Or somebody besides you would have accused me of wanting you to shut up?
And besides, isn't telling someone to shut up on the internet just about the most ineffectual thing a person could possibly do? Do you seriously think I'm that petty and foolish?
HKCavalier
Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.
I think you don't know me, and I think you have no excuse dismissing my experience on the basis of what you've read with all your vaunted "expertise" that I don't have.
I hope you don't council people who have had experiences with sexual assault, because so far you're not being all that sensitive and understanding towards what they went through.
Perhaps the next one who walks in here, tell them that didn't happen to them and they're lying and full of shit and that they have no valid input on the issue and that they make a mockery of real victims. That's like a cherry on top of the sundae.
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WTF, Byte?
Why do you give me so much gorram power over you? For fuck's sake, I'm just a guy on the internet. I think I know some things, but I might be totally full of shit and you might be one person who knows it. You do realize that I can't have any power that you don't willingly give to me, right? Why give me such power, Byte? Really, why?
I experienced what you were saying about the whole incert thing as utterly grotesque and pure, misanthropic fiction. But that's my opinion. It's a strong opinion and one that gets all up in your grill, but it still just feedback from a stranger, take what you need and leave the rest.
Either what I have to say, however unflattering it is to you, has meaning to you, has some kernal of truth that you're wrestling with, or I am full of shit and don't know what the fuck I am talking about. Only you can say which it is. Why not pick one and either engage me in the discussion on rape and violence or write me off?
HKCavalier
Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.
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Either what I have to say, however unflattering it is to you, has meaning to you, has some kernal of truth that you're wrestling with
So denial is it? More denial? More didn't happen, I'm lying, I don't know what I'm talking about.
Has it occurred to you we might both have valid things to say? But no, you're right, I'm wrong, I don't know anything. My experience is invalid because you say so.
I have no interest in talking to you about this, or anything, if you won't even give me the credit of considering that my experiences might be real. Plenty other people for us both to talk to, and our interactions soured a long time ago. Scratch both our names from the note pad and lets move on.
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