Guns, Guns, Guns.
POSTED BY: FREMDFIRMA
UPDATED: Monday, June 30, 2025 05:56
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Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
I think I fried my brain looking at Cosmopolitan magazine covers. How does that even exist? "How to please your man!" "How to get a better boyfriend!" "How to get thin!" "Fashion tips!" "Makeup tips!" "Shoes!" "Sexy sexy sexy!"
Hey if you have all that, I guess your career and your finances and everything will fall into place BLEAARGH
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Aaaiee, cannot un-see!
-F
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M4P: I don't know how to say this politely... What you're saying sounds WRONG to me. Worth by the size of a BRA? By the size of dick, johnson, whatever abrupt and crude term you want to use to shock and startle us into, what, agreeing with you when you're acting like this?
I think your interpretation of the issue is taking Freud concepts to an extreme, and there is a disturbing lack of sensitivity in your explanations and dismissal about the fear and ennui that all of humanity experiences, always.
You aren't afraid of the size of our sex traits. You're afraid of death. In your fear of death you are projecting questionable issues on all of us and lashing out at poor Anthony.
I recognize that you are a teacher, and you feel this tragedy possibly more closely than any of us. But that doesn't give you free reign to treat one of us like this, one of us who has never hurt anyone. You want that fight, you look to Frem, or me. Leave Anthony alone.
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Wait a minit. Need sum help here.
Anthony is upset bekuz Niki said that the other guy was rite and Anthony was not being reasoble about the whole thing started by sumwun else before Niki sed anything, but then sumwun new jumped in with a comment that seemed to be saying otherwize and Byte chimed in as usual on her side, but Mal only tried to cool thingz down but then Anthony only got madder wn Niki sed he didnt start it kuz the adverts all go along with the 1st thing with the stuff (or wuz it the stuff with the thing?) AND then You sed 'wutever' but nobody paid attention and then he sed sumthing about the other topic from before.
Iz that rite or did I miss sumthing?
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DUZ XaT SEM RiT TQ YQ? - Jubal Early
http://www.nooalf.com
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I don't have a side. As usual?
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OK, but I mean before that wen Frem sed that that wuznt wut he ment, so Anthony wuz perfectly justified in hiz umbraj unless it wuz you.
Its all about how people get used to thingz, no matter how bad. I get 10 mpg in my car, for example, so anybody with a compact woud be outrajd if suddenly they had to pay so much for gas all the time.
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DUZ XaT SEM RiT TQ YQ? - Jubal Early
http://www.nooalf.com
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I'm going to jump in and get my ass whacked again, no doubt, but I DO agree with Mal4 on her other point. Separating guns from "manliness", Quote:
With this I agree, and the same point as Mal4 made it in different words. To me it IS a false sense of security, which in truth makes us LESS secure.
It seems to me that Americans buy more of these weapons to feel safe, yet the more they purchase the more unsafe they actually get.
I disagree with your interpretation in some ways, Mal4, but on that we agree.Quote:
You talk about how we live in fantasy-land trying to convince ourselves we have control. I see this fascination with high-powered weapons as being exactly the same thing.
On the other hand, I don't see Anthony's insistence on having the same size weapons as police the way you do. From past experience, I see it as his fear of the government, of the police, which in my opinion comes from his background.Quote:
They should just be taken out of the hands of the part of society called 'the people.' The part of society called 'the government' should still have them.
This premise might be logical if 'the government' was not made up of 'people.' However, 'the government' is made up of 'people.' The same people who can not be trusted to have these horrific weapons.
Now when I decide that it is good and proper to treat all people as the same
That makes my point for me. I don't think one will ever get anywhere trying to convince Anthony that the police (as in 'government') should be better armed than 'the people'. It is a waste of time. I don't think the concept that the VAST majority of police out there are good and do their job as best they can, that they know they're putting their lives on the line every time, and that most of them wouldn't WANT assault rifles, except when they come up against them. Anthony seems to always be convinced that 'the government' and 'the police' are inherently evil. I don't get it, but I accept it as part of his belief system, again, at least in part born out of his background. It's there every time he discusses such things:Quote:
If I have nothing to fear from people in the government with weapons of mass slaughter, then you have nothing to fear from ordinary people with weapons of mass slaughter.
If you have something to fear from ordinary people with weapons of mass slaughter, then I have something to fear from government people with weapons of mass slaughter.
A man with an assault weapon is a problem for you.
A man with a badge and an assault weapon is safe.
This is a delusion more striking to me than any I have been accused of.
That he sees this as a "delusion" should tell you just how impossible communication is on this issue. As I have come to see it, I believe Anthony views police with weapons as actually MORE dangerous than regular people with weapons. How do you get past that, past his conviction that viewing it otherwise is a "delusion"? I just don't see it as a pissing contest; more as the false sense of "control" issue both you and that UK military dude Chris spoke of.
Anthony, that YOU view someone with a badge and a weapon as MORE dangerous than the average person with a weapon is a delusion I've never been able to understand or get past. It's a very strange belief; if it were so, why do the police DEFEND us from people with weapons? What do you see as their motive for being "evil", or "dangerous", or whatever? I'll never deny there has been misuse of authority in some cases, but why do you find them more dangerous if they had bigger weapons? I'd like to try and understand that, I honestly would. It's so strange to me I can't get my head around it.
Actually, Mal4, you're wrong in some ways about big men and violence. Just as with d
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NOT to say I approve or agree, or that it's even true for all but a small minority of the population, but to make the point that OTHERS view it that way, including gun manufacturers and their ad agencies, try this:Quote:
Marketers have long told potential customers that if you used their product, it would do more than satisfy your consumer desires, it would make you into the kind of person you want to be.
You may not be young, hip, and creative, but if you buy a computer from Apple, you can tell yourself that you are. Wearing a T-shirt from Under Armour won't actually turn you into an athlete, but it doesn't hurt to pretend.
And if you're anxious about your masculinity, if you aren't quite sure whether those around you find you sufficiently strong and potent, the Bushmaster corporation has an answer for you. If you buy one of their semi-automatic rifles -- like the kind Adam Lanza used to murder 20 children and six adults last week -- you may "Consider your Man Card reissued."
That's the message of ads the company has been running, along with a particularly ridiculous social media campaign. Until today -- the page has apparently been taken down, but parts of it are visible here ( http://www.buzzfeed.com/scott/bushmasters-shockingly-awful-man-card-ca
mpaign) -- you could learn on the "Man Card" section of Bushmaster's website that "In a world of rapidly depleting testosterone, the Bushmaster Man Card declares and confirms that you are a man's man." Then you could fill out a little form to bust on your buddies for not being manly enough, to "Revoke a Man Card." Just enter a brief description of the offense and put it into one of five categories: "Cry baby," "Cupcake," "Short leash," "Coward," or "Just unmanly."
The symbol for the last is the female restroom icon (a stick figure wearing a dress), but "Short leash" gets some of the best action, like "Steve A. missed a much-anticipated poker night to attend a movie musical instead," or "Heath K, where 'Yes I will' always becomes 'If she'll let me.' " All it takes to get that Man Card back is to get yourself a Bushmaster.
You don't have to be a Freudian analyst to grasp the hidden meaning. It's not even subtext -- it's text. As we begin a long-overdue examination of where gun culture in America has gone, we can't avoid the way guns have become so entwined with masculine anxiety, as so many men seek to find their identity in instruments of destruction.
With manual labor but a memory for most Americans, we have even fewer opportunities to enact rituals of manhood in the way our ancestors did. The strongest caveman may have led the tribe, but who are the masters of today's universe? A bunch of skinny, pasty kids who spend their days staring at computer screens. Bill Gates or Mark Zuckerberg may not be able to best you at arm-wrestling, but they could buy and sell you a thousand times over.
We have to find reassurance where we can, so even if we can't prove our masculinity on the job and our kids won't listen to us, there is a way to feel that testosterone surge through our bodies. Whatever else you think about guns, no one who has ever held one can deny that they make you feel potent and strong. You don't even need to fire it to appreciate its power -- just holding it is enough. So if watching your fantasies play out on TV doesn't quite scratch that itch, you can enact them yourself down at the range -- or get a concealed carry permit, and convince yourself that the only reason you're not Jack Bauer is that the right opportunity hasn't yet presented itself.
Here's something you may not realize: Gun ownership has been declining for decades. According to the University of Chicago's Genera
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THIS IS NOT ABOUT ANTHONY! It is about the perception that IS out there
Hello,
First of all, it has been made about me. This stereotype isn't "Out there." It's in the minds of people like Mal. She is utterly incapable of dealing with me or any gun owner except through the lens of that stereotype.
And you keep posting and posting and posting about a stereotype that NOBODY has claimed doesn't exist, desperately anxious to prove it exists... WHY?
And then you say this:
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the stereotype IS true in some instances
Well, so what? Every stereotype is true sometimes, even the most egregious and awful.
Advertisers have always craved to employ these stereotypes and reinforce these stereotypes so that they can manipulate their targets. And guess what, when people like Mal buys into these stereotypes so thoroughly that they can't see me as an individual human anymore, that's a BAD thing.
I am tired of being told what it means to be a man, how I must think as a man, what I must do as a man. I am also tired of you holding up this stereotype and saying, "See, see!" And worse, "It's true sometimes."
Try to imagine all the negative stereotypes about black people.
And then try to imagine saying to a black person, "Hey, this stereotype exists all over, and well, it's true sometimes."
There's a lot of creative metaphors such a statement deserves.
--Anthony
Note to Self:
Raptor - woman testifying about birth control is a slut (the term applies.)
Context: http://tinyurl.com/d6ozfej
Six - Wow, isn't Niki quite the CUNT? And, yes, I spell that in all caps....
http://tinyurl.com/bdjgbpe
Wulf - Niki is a stupid fucking bitch who should hurry up and die.
Context: http://tinyurl.com/afve3r9
“The stupid neither forgive nor forget; the naive forgive and forget; the wise forgive but do not forget.” -T. S. Szasz
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I think its no bad thing to talk about stereotypes and do some reflection on how much they impact on your behaviour and I mean that for both men and women.
I think the thing about advertising and use of stereotypes is that they do seep into your subconscious, so that in the end as a woman you can get suckered into to a whole lot image issues that can end up in you buying stuff.
So I might get my hair and nails done and go on some latest fad diet. I know that I'm not trying to please any man, cause my man is happy with me before all that stuff, but part of me is still caught up in prevalent stereotypes of what it means to be a woman. What a woman should look like...
Don't know if I am making myself clear, but I guess I think the conversation about men/manliness and guns is worth having.
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Quote:Naw, just lift some weights and eat all you want; real men like a buff female!
Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
So I might get my hair and nails done and go on some latest fad diet. I know that I'm not trying to please any man, cause my man is happy with me before all that stuff, but part of me is still caught up in prevalent stereotypes of what it means to be a woman. What a woman should look like...
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