Guns, Guns, Guns.
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Originally posted by chrisisall:
I own more guns than I can easily count.
But most are phasers, some are Galactica & Star Wars blasters, three are airsoft Bond PPK's.
Sorry, Chris, but you own toys that look like guns.
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Got a dental appointment so not got time to read this whole thread. But I see I was misunderstood: I put up the advertisement to show that Anthony's previous dismissal of the idea that guns have to do with "manliness" in people's perception. I was saying NOTHING about Anthony himself; I'm amazed anyone thought I was. I was refuting his previous dismissal by showing that either manufacturers or ad companies believe that the public sees a gun as a symbol of manhood. NOTHING more.
I'll read the rest of the thread when I get back, I just needed to clarify that.
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Hello Niki,
The misandrous comments were directed both generally at all gun owners and also specifically at me. That you should have tried to uphold them as valid when I have so frequently defended you from misogyny struck me as a particularly hurtful betrayal.
One need go no farther than my signature line to see that I do not like this kind of bias. I won't have it. Not at you. Not at your gender. Not at the millions of hobbyist shooters out there, many of whom are women. Not at me personally, nor me as a stand-in for bias against the entire gender.
Mr. Raptor has tried to 'revoke' the so-called 'man-card' because a man was seen to weep. Now you have tried to hold up a gun-advertisement as a good representation of the popular opinion on what it means to be a man. I reject it. The 'popular opinion' is wrong. I weep. I like the Sound of Music and Mary Poppins. I enjoyed the latest Rambo film. I love openly and without shame. I enjoy the art of using weapons. I am a man. I am a human.
I will never reduce you or your gender to a caricature of womanhood. Certainly not on purpose, and if I ever do it thoughtlessly it will be followed by a heartfelt apology as soon as you point it out.
I deserve that respect in return.
--Anthony
Note to Self:
Raptor - woman testifying about birth control is a slut (the term applies.)
Context: http://tinyurl.com/d6ozfej
Six - Wow, isn't Niki quite the CUNT? And, yes, I spell that in all caps....
http://tinyurl.com/bdjgbpe
Wulf - Niki is a stupid fucking bitch who should hurry up and die.
Context: http://tinyurl.com/afve3r9
“The stupid neither forgive nor forget; the naive forgive and forget; the wise forgive but do not forget.” -T. S. Szasz
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Quote:The destruction of the village actually made me cry. Stallone went all unexpectedly real on us.
Originally posted by AnthonyT:
I enjoyed the latest Rambo film.
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The 'popular opinion' is wrong. I weep. I like the Sound of Music and Mary Poppins. I enjoyed the latest Rambo film. I love openly and without shame. I enjoy the art of using weapons. I am a man. I am a human.
And I am uncomfortable with statements about love and compassion and open displays of emotion not because you are a man, but because I have issues.
Go Anthony. :) Enjoy that stuff.
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this may amuze you: http://www.nooalf.com/FaMLE.htm
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Anthony, dammit, you are getting way too pissed off for something that wasn't even my claim! It was someone else who made that remark about "gun stroking" thing or whatever it was and equated guns to men's "manhood"; when you rejected it, I thought to myself, "well, just like older men driving convertibles, or fast cars, that IS a perception many hold". I let it go rather than point it out, because it wasn't important. But when I ran across this ad, I thought "there, maybe I can show Anthony that it IS a perception, played into by the ad company to appeal to just that sort of person", so I put it up.
It wasn't about you--you know damned well I respect you--and I did NOT hold them up as "valid". I held them up as a PERCEPTION by some people, which the ad company would not have appealed to if that were not true. It has nothing to do with you whatsoever except in that you rejected the perception as not existing at all and I was refuting that statement.
It may not be the "popular opinion", but it IS the opinion of many, that is simply a fact. It's not about you, it's about the idea. And I happen to believe it IS true for SOME--note I say SOME--men. There is power in having a gun; how people feel about that varies from person to person, but some men DO see it as an extension of their power, manliness, whatever. Do me a favor: Google "guns manly". That should show you just how many ADVERTISEMENTS alone there are for guns as being "manly". Taken to extremes, the crack whoever it was about men stroking guns is NOT unreasonable.
Once again: IT'S NOT ABOUT YOU! Why you would think I view YOU that way, and keep insisting that's what I was saying, is totally beyond me, given how well you should know me by now. You want to keep being angry with me, I can't stop you. But I was merely trying to make the point that your rejection of the idea that some see guns as enhancing men's "manliness" is wrong. NOTHING else, okay?
I can't figure it out, whether it's because I'm on the side wishing for some gun restrictions has you viewing me as attacking you or something, or you're too wrapped up in this gun debate, or you took what I posted as referring to you personally--which it was not. I wish you could take a step back and try to understand what I'm saying. But if you don't understand, there's nothing I can do about it.
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Niki: whether or not gun companies play into that kind of advertising, it's a stereotype. Some guys happily measure themselves up to that stereotype, sure. But its one that causes a lot of damage.
I'm against anything that tells people to not be who they are. All this gender role stuff is distasteful to me. Because if I'd listened to any of that, I'd never gotten muddy or climbed trees as a girl, I'd never have continued in science and math that I struggled with, I'd be in a loveless marriage with a bunch of kids running around wearing dresses with my hair immaculately curled and groomed and dyed blonde, and I'd always be wondering what happened to me, where I went wrong.
Stereotypes hurt people. Stereotypes are bad. It doesn't matter if by observation it seems justified. It is NEVER justified.
And for people who have been hurt by a stereotype, it is ALWAYS personal, no matter how impersonally you might have meant it.
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Hello Niki,
Let me be clear. The person who said that didn't just say it about 'men' or 'gun owners' but also about me personally.
I never rejected that the perception exists. Obviously it exists or someone wouldn't have said such things about me. I rejected it as being a valid perception and one worthy of expression. I rejected that someone should embrace that view, paint all men with it, and then paint me with it specifically.
So when, after someone insults men, shooters, AND ME PERSONALLY, you go and find a Bushmaster advert and say, "Look, see?"
And you don't know why that should piss me off?
Maybe people do this to women so often and in so many ways that you can't even see it anymore because it looks like the background wallpaper. I don't think you even noticed I had been insulted.
ETA: I see Byte already expressed it better than I did. Thank you.
--Anthony
Note to Self:
Raptor - woman testifying about birth control is a slut (the term applies.)
Context: http://tinyurl.com/d6ozfej
Six - Wow, isn't Niki quite the CUNT? And, yes, I spell that in all caps....
http://tinyurl.com/bdjgbpe
Wulf - Niki is a stupid fucking bitch who should hurry up and die.
Context: http://tinyurl.com/afve3r9
“The stupid neither forgive nor forget; the naive forgive and forget; the wise forgive but do not forget.” -T. S. Szasz
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