Guns, Guns, Guns.
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Mal4Prez
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Um. What about women who do own guns? Like the mother of the shooter?
I do not believe the metaphor applies to Anthony. Or to anyone really.
This thread is way too hot. Too many passions running on both sides, hurtful things being said, misunderstandings.
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Originally posted by MAL4PREZ:Quote:
Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Hello Niki,
Let me be clear. The person who said that didn't just say it about 'men' or 'gun owners' but also about me personally.
I never rejected that the perception exists. Obviously it exists or someone wouldn't have said such things about me. I rejected it as being a valid perception and one worthy of expression. I rejected that someone should embrace that view, paint all men with it, and then paint me with it specifically.
So when, after someone insults men, shooters, AND ME PERSONALLY, you go and find a Bushmaster advert and say, "Look, see?"
And you don't know why that should piss me off?
Maybe people do this to women so often and in so many ways that you can't even see it anymore because it looks like the background wallpaper. I don't think you even noticed I had been insulted.
ETA: I see Byte already expressed it better than I did. Thank you.
--Anthony
Note to Self:
Raptor - woman testifying about birth control is a slut (the term applies.)
Context: http://tinyurl.com/d6ozfej
Six - Wow, isn't Niki quite the CUNT? And, yes, I spell that in all caps....
http://tinyurl.com/bdjgbpe
Wulf - Niki is a stupid fucking bitch who should hurry up and die.
Context: http://tinyurl.com/afve3r9
“The stupid neither forgive nor forget; the naive forgive and forget; the wise forgive but do not forget.” -T. S. Szasz
Here's where it applies to you Anthony.
When you and your gun-loving cohorts get going with your public gun-stroking, you are not talking about your favorite knitting pattern or most useful power tool. You are talking about a killing machine.
Your fondness for this killing machine is not purely for the beauty or usefulness of it, as old ladies may love a sweater they made or a carpenter may admire a table. You have made it very clear that the value you have in your guns is not purely in the devices themselves. It is in how they give you power. Your guns make you feel secure, in control of your freedom, and that security is based on your gun being at least as big as the gun of the other neighborhood alpha males.
Is the penis analogy clear to you yet?
OK, I'll go on.
In living within this paradigm, you have rejected the notion that a man may be valued for more than the girth of his willy, or that a human may have power that is not rooted in violence or the threat of violence. I see these two mentalities as similarity rooted in the stereotype of the MALE, though certainly I have known both men and women who crossed to the other side. Still, I see no better analogy to a person finding power in the size of their gun than a man defining his worth in the size of his johnson.
I have lived all my life with neither a penis nor a gun. I have frequently had less physical power than those who could do me damage. I have found ways to ensure my personal freedom and security without either of these stereotypical male tools.
Yes, it can be done. You can be verile without your big guns. You can be secure without having immediate means of destroying your "enemy."
Ghandi. MLK. Give peace a chance.
I wonder if you could try it. I wonder if everyone could give it a shot, (Oh, the pun...) and how it might change the world if people would give up the big penis-gun-nuke contest.
I mean, really. Do you really think you have nothing to fear from the constabulary as long as yours is as big as theirs?
And you don't see how the metaphor applies to you?
Hello,
Well God Damn. You're still trying to justify and reinforce your stereotype. What horseshit.
Do you think I get my value as a man from my Gun or my Johnson? Do you think I arm myself in competition with the cops or my other shooting friends? Do you really think I view my guns as a symbol of my personal potency?
Do you not see how frustratingly terrible such a bias and stereotype is? I guess not, since
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Okay, this is my customized Bond gun replica:
Looks nice, all metal construction, totally legal (in the house), you can shoot paper targets with the plastic BB's it comes with, cheap ($14), no checks, no ammo expenses, can use it any time...
I just don't see the need for the real thing.
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Hello Chris,
It's a very nice replica.
I would never impose the real thing on you.
--Anthony
Note to Self:
Raptor - woman testifying about birth control is a slut (the term applies.)
Context: http://tinyurl.com/d6ozfej
Six - Wow, isn't Niki quite the CUNT? And, yes, I spell that in all caps....
http://tinyurl.com/bdjgbpe
Wulf - Niki is a stupid fucking bitch who should hurry up and die.
Context: http://tinyurl.com/afve3r9
“The stupid neither forgive nor forget; the naive forgive and forget; the wise forgive but do not forget.” -T. S. Szasz
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Anthony -
You refuse to let go of any gun that the police are allowed to have. That is nothing but a pissing contest with deadly results. This fear of Them results in a country awash with deadly weapons, killing machines within the easy reach of those who should NOT have them.
I think it's a stupid pissing contest. Plenty of societies get by without all these killing machines. (By this I mean the really really bad guns, not the average ones for hunting and basic self defense, as we've been over.)
You talk about how we live in fantasy-land trying to convince ourselves we have control. I see this fascination with high-powered weapons as being exactly the same thing. We do not need all the killing machines to protect us from the government. There are better ways to achieve that, ways that do not put such horrible power in the hands of crazy individuals.
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Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
Mal4Prez
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Um. What about women who do own guns? Like the mother of the shooter?
That's the beauty of a metaphor - it can be applied to everything. You'll note that I compared a "person" thinking security comes from gun size to a man thinking virility comes from girth. This woman powering herself up with guns was just as much playing the stupid game, and look where it got her. It certainly didn't make her secure.
One could try to even out the gender stereotype by saying a woman's worth comes of her bra size, but that just doesn't carry the same violent undertones to me. And surely that's my bias, that I see men going after size as inherently violent.
Right, because big men and violence never go together. [/sarcasm]
No, I don't think Anthony is inherently violent, but I do find his gun fascination and his need for security through firearms rather telling. I think this equivalence of violence and personal security is an insanity that I hope the human race can outgrow.
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Quote:Thanks, I did have to work on it a bit.
Originally posted by AnthonyT:
It's a very nice replica.
Quote:I shot the real thing on the set of a movie I worked on once (blanks), and my replica is nearly identical except that it's not semi-auto, and it is way nicer to the eardrums.
I would never impose the real thing on you.
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Originally posted by MAL4PREZ:
No, I don't think Anthony is inherently violent, but I do find his gun fascination and his need for security through firearms rather telling. I think this equivalence of violence and personal security is an insanity that I hope the human race can outgrow.
Mal, I'm having this discussion with some UK folk, I thought you'd like to see a couple of comments from across the pond:
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If you hear someone break in in the night, well, are you really gonna have your gun handy? And if so, wouldn't it be as likely to be picked up by a kid and used on his or her sibling (and there is evidence of that happening).
Otherwise, well, frankly if you want to just take a gun and murder someone out of sheer evil revenge, well, there's nothing anyone can do about it! It's not even like Gunfight at OK Corral, where victory goes the one quickest on the draw. It's not like the kids are gonna be armed now is it? Or the teachers. You know, 'Better check my gun today in case there's a massacre..."
So I cannot see how liberal gun laws protect anyone, I mean these guys don't forewarn anyone do they?
And from a UK military dude:
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On a really serious note, America has to realise that these military weapons of mass annihilation are the problem. Most of the people who defend the possession of these weapons have no idea about defence. In the real world there are many like myself who have been trained to survive by any & all means necessary in a military environment.
It seems to me that Americans buy more of these weapons to feel safe, yet the more they purchase the more unsafe they actually get.
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Hello,
I see you are still trying to argue your point.
Let us begin by reminding you that you have reduced me, my philosophy, and all of my ideas to a phallus. And having reduced me to such, you dismiss me as such. You act as though that is a fine and dandy thing to do. You have not repented of this. You have defended it.
Shame on you.
Now that we've established this, I wonder what the purpose is of conversing with someone who has reduced me and dismissed me in such a fashion.
I will try to make you understand.
You make a distinction between 'the government' and 'people.' You worry about 'people' and what 'people' do, but you do not extend these concerns to 'the government.'
You identify a series of killing machines that have no appropriate place in society. You advise me that several societies get by without such killing machines. You remind me that just having these killing machines laying around in society puts them within easy reach of those who should NOT have them.
Then you tell me that these killing machines shouldn't be removed from society. They should just be taken out of the hands of the part of society called 'the people.' The part of society called 'the government' should still have them.
This premise might be logical if 'the government' was not made up of 'people.' However, 'the government' is made up of 'people.' The same people who can not be trusted to have these horrific weapons.
Now when I decide that it is good and proper to treat all people as the same, you tell me I am in a pissing contest.
What can I say to such logic? How can I respond? You are incapable of seeing me or my arguments in any context that does not involve a phallus or what emanates from a phallus. You can not see the simple inconsistency of your own position.
If I have nothing to fear from people in the government with weapons of mass slaughter, then you have nothing to fear from ordinary people with weapons of mass slaughter.
If you have something to fear from ordinary people with weapons of mass slaughter, then I have something to fear from government people with weapons of mass slaughter.
You tell me I live in a world of fear.
Well, so do you.
The difference is that you fear people asymmetrically.
A man with an assault weapon is a problem for you.
A man with a badge and an assault weapon is safe.
This is a delusion more striking to me than any I have been accused of.
--Anthony
Note to Self:
Raptor - woman testifying about birth control is a slut (the term applies.)
Context: http://tinyurl.com/d6ozfej
Six - Wow, isn't Niki quite the CUNT? And, yes, I spell that in all caps....
http://tinyurl.com/bdjgbpe
Wulf - Niki is a stupid fucking bitch who should hurry up and die.
Context: http://tinyurl.com/afve3r9
“The stupid neither forgive nor forget; the naive forgive and forget; the wise forgive but do not forget.” -T. S. Szasz
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Hello,
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One could try to even out the gender stereotype by saying a woman's worth comes of her bra size, but that just doesn't carry the same violent undertones to me.
Why do you equate violence and phalluses? Or violence with men, for that matter?
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And surely that's my bias, that I see men going after size as inherently violent.
Yes. It's your bias. It's a wrong bias.
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Right, because big men and violence never go together. [/sarcasm]
What about small men? What about women? Do these kinds of people ever get violent?
What about trying to discard your harmful stereotypes and just deal with issues on their own terms?
--Anthony
Note to Self:
Raptor - woman testifying about birth control is a slut (the term applies.)
Context: http://tinyurl.com/d6ozfej
Six - Wow, isn't Niki quite the CUNT? And, yes, I spell that in all caps....
http://tinyurl.com/bdjgbpe
Wulf - Niki is a stupid fucking bitch who should hurry up and die.
Context: http://tinyurl.com/afve3r9
“The stupid neither forgive nor forget; the naive forgive and forget; the wise forgive but do not forget.” -T. S. Szasz
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