Guns, Guns, Guns.
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This is the above guy's girlfriend.
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I think I fried my brain looking at Cosmopolitan magazine covers. How does that even exist? "How to please your man!" "How to get a better boyfriend!" "How to get thin!" "Fashion tips!" "Makeup tips!" "Shoes!" "Sexy sexy sexy!"
Hey if you have all that, I guess your career and your finances and everything will fall into place BLEAARGH
Anyway.
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Originally posted by AnthonyT: I don't think you even noticed I had been insulted.
Welcome to the internet.
I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.
A warning to everyone, AURaptor is a known liar.
...and now a Fundie!
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Hello Niki,
In case you don't remember the details, this is the discussion that prompted you to find a Bushmaster advert. To hold it up and say, "See? This is how people think! You shouldn't tell her that she's wrong."
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His fear of losing his symbol of manhood (and puh-lease don't tell me you haven't heard that analogy, Anthony, or that you haven't looked yourself in the mirror while you're gun stroking to exactly how perfect a penis-stroking metaphor it is)
To which I responded: I hear this metaphor a lot, actually. Which is really just a way of belittling someone's position. No, I haven't looked at myself in the mirror while gun-stroking in a perfect penis-stroking metaphor. This is something that happens inside of other people's minds.
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All right Anthony, setting aside the gun-as-manhood thing, (which I guess isn't evident unless you're a non-gun person coming across the gun measuring and comparing threads that crop up here time to time)
To which I responded: I am left to wonder why two girls can talk about their favorite things, even compare and contrast them, without being accused of using these things as vagina stand-ins or masturbatory symbols. I'm sure such a statement would be vulgar and inappropriate to a woman. I'm not sure why it's deemed appropriate to say such a thing to a man.
--Anthony
Note to Self:
Raptor - woman testifying about birth control is a slut (the term applies.)
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Six - Wow, isn't Niki quite the CUNT? And, yes, I spell that in all caps....
http://tinyurl.com/bdjgbpe
Wulf - Niki is a stupid fucking bitch who should hurry up and die.
Context: http://tinyurl.com/afve3r9
“The stupid neither forgive nor forget; the naive forgive and forget; the wise forgive but do not forget.” -T. S. Szasz
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Let's just say that Freud was fulluvit and kinda abnormal and hypocritical. I think we can all agree there.
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Yes, Byte got it:Quote:
whether or not gun companies play into that kind of advertising, it's a stereotype. Some guys happily measure themselves up to that stereotype, sure. But its one that causes a lot of damage.
Stereotypes hurt people. Stereotypes are bad. It doesn't matter if by observation it seems justified. It is NEVER justified.
What you're both missing is that I DID NOT APPROVE of the stereotype, I was doing nothing more than saying it EXISTS. I hate it; all I was doing was showing that it DOES exist. I wasn't saying it was Anthony or that it was right, simply that it exists and advertisers take advantage of it. "I never rejected that the perception exists." Maybe I misunderstood, I thought Anthony rejected the stereotype's existence at the time; my point was that the stereotype DOES exist, not that it had anything to do with Anthony.Quote:
Maybe people do this to women so often and in so many ways that you can't even see it anymore because it looks like the background wallpaper. I don't think you even noticed I had been insulted.
I'm offended by that. You know full well I am aware of stereotypes of women, and of course I noticed that you had been insulted. Can you possibly back up and understand that ALL I was doing was, under the belief that you were saying the stereotype didn't exist, showing that it DOES? That was the sum total of my intent, AND NOTHING MORE.
I'm going to give up on this one. It was a small thing, just meant to point out that the stereotype exists and is utilized by advertisers and manufacturers to push guns. Nothing more. I've tried very hard to be clear about that, there's nothing more I can say.
Byte: You're right, DON'T look at Cosmo or ANY of those other magazines...it WILL fry your brain, definitely! I avoid them like the plague at checkstands, if I dared look at them, I'd start screaming and throw my groceries in the air!
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Okay. I didn't catch "I hear this metaphor a lot, actually. Which is really just a way of belittling someone's position." The only problem I have with it is that it's TRUE of some men; that's how stereotypes become stereotypes, and again, my argument was that the fact that it's used in ADVERTISEMENTS, intended to get men to buy guns, shows that it appeals to some. Yes, using it in a debate, especially the way it was used, IS intended to belittle someone's position, no question about that. But the fact remains that, for some men, it is true. If that were not the case, advertisers wouldn't use it to sell guns.
I don't believe I EVER said "you shouldn't tell her she's wrong"...would you find that for me, please? I've made my point over and over: That the stereotype is real enough for advertisers to use it to sell guns. Period.
And that's the last for me, I sincerely hope, this misunderstanding went way over the top and we both have better things to do. Again: Be angry with me if it gains you something, but you MISUNDERSTOOD my point and my intent.
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Niki: Well, so long as you recognize the stereotype and don't agree. I don't claim to know what you're thinking or if you accused or insulted Anthony about anything. He seems to think you did though, and whether or not that happened, whether or not the conversation has become too impassioned (and perhaps it has) he seems pretty hurt. Maybe it is best to step back and let everything cool down.
Thanks for the advice. I do normally avoid it, but some of the women in my family... I see those magazines now and then. I have to ignore it, forget I ever saw it. Sometimes they pay for subscriptions to those types of magazines for me. Are they trying to tell me something? I don't want any part of that.
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Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Hello Niki,
Let me be clear. The person who said that didn't just say it about 'men' or 'gun owners' but also about me personally.
I never rejected that the perception exists. Obviously it exists or someone wouldn't have said such things about me. I rejected it as being a valid perception and one worthy of expression. I rejected that someone should embrace that view, paint all men with it, and then paint me with it specifically.
So when, after someone insults men, shooters, AND ME PERSONALLY, you go and find a Bushmaster advert and say, "Look, see?"
And you don't know why that should piss me off?
Maybe people do this to women so often and in so many ways that you can't even see it anymore because it looks like the background wallpaper. I don't think you even noticed I had been insulted.
ETA: I see Byte already expressed it better than I did. Thank you.
--Anthony
Note to Self:
Raptor - woman testifying about birth control is a slut (the term applies.)
Context: http://tinyurl.com/d6ozfej
Six - Wow, isn't Niki quite the CUNT? And, yes, I spell that in all caps....
http://tinyurl.com/bdjgbpe
Wulf - Niki is a stupid fucking bitch who should hurry up and die.
Context: http://tinyurl.com/afve3r9
“The stupid neither forgive nor forget; the naive forgive and forget; the wise forgive but do not forget.” -T. S. Szasz
Here's where it applies to you Anthony.
When you and your gun-loving cohorts get going with your public gun-stroking, you are not talking about your favorite knitting pattern or most useful power tool. You are talking about a killing machine.
Your fondness for this killing machine is not purely for the beauty or usefulness of it, as old ladies may love a sweater they made or a carpenter may admire a table. You have made it very clear that the value you have in your guns is not purely in the devices themselves. It is in how they give you power. Your guns make you feel secure, in control of your freedom, and that security is based on your gun being at least as big as the gun of the other neighborhood alpha males.
Is the penis analogy clear to you yet?
OK, I'll go on.
In living within this paradigm, you have rejected the notion that a man may be valued for more than the girth of his willy, or that a human may have power that is not rooted in violence or the threat of violence. I see these two mentalities as similarity rooted in the stereotype of the MALE, though certainly I have known both men and women who crossed to the other side. Still, I see no better analogy to a person finding power in the size of their gun than a man defining his worth in the size of his johnson.
I have lived all my life with neither a penis nor a gun. I have frequently had less physical power than those who could do me damage. I have found ways to ensure my personal freedom and security without either of these stereotypical male tools.
Yes, it can be done. You can be verile without your big guns. You can be secure without having immediate means of destroying your "enemy."
Ghandi. MLK. Give peace a chance.
I wonder if you could try it. I wonder if everyone could give it a shot, (Oh, the pun...) and how it might change the world if people would give up the big penis-gun-nuke contest.
I mean, really. Do you really think you have nothing to fear from the constabulary as long as yours is as big as theirs?
And you don't see how the metaphor applies to you?
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War on Guns!
LOL
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