Guns, Guns, Guns.
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UPDATED: Monday, June 30, 2025 05:56
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Yeah, Tony's been dumped on big time. I've been there a couple of times myself, my own answer was just to say to myself that some topics draw irrationality, nuthin' you can do about it.
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That part of the discussion seemed rather pointless, so I stayed out for the most part. But I'm kinda curious if MAL'S characterization of Tony is based on the fact that he is male and owns a gun, or if it's a reaction to Tony's attitude. So here I am... gun owner and female. What then?
Yanno, this topic really brings out the emotions in people. A lot of irrational things are being said.
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Quote:Yeah, some people just throw pies.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
A lot of irrational things are being said.
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Cav, I never once considered Anthony as part of that stereotype. I was talking about the stereotype itself--and no, not the stroking part, but the stereotype that guns are "manly" and some men see them that way (and I think more do UNconsciously). Nothing more.
I certainly should have spoken up that characterizing Anthony that way was gross and disgusting, I wouldn't say that about anyone. I got involved in the generalization about men, guns, "manly" etc., which I think for some people is valid. It doesn't apply to Anthony at all, and I should have taken a second to point out how abhorrent the comment was, because it was unquestionably repugnant--doubly so when tossed at Anthony. I got caught up in trying to explain myself and neglected to address that part, which I do now and I think it's revolting.
I was coming from a completely different place, which I don't seem to have been able to communicate. I DO think there is a valid issue about some men and guns with regard to "manhood"...nobody here, male or female, with one possible exception, but it is an issue which I think comes into play when guns are discussed.
All in all I agree; just like politics and religion, discussing guns seems to rile some people up. It doesn't seem to be a subject which can be discussed rationally, and given we can never seem to get past the idea some have that ANY regulation on guns means all their guns are going to be taken away, I guess it's pretty useless to even try discussing it. We've gone seven pages on just this thread alone, and has anyone changed their mind about anything relating to the subject? I don't think so...
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Quote:Thanks, Niki. Well said.
Originally posted by Niki2:
I certainly should have spoken up that characterizing Anthony that way was gross and disgusting, I wouldn't say that about anyone. I got involved in the generalization about men, guns, "manly" etc., which I think for some people is valid. It doesn't apply to Anthony at all, and I should have taken a second to point out how abhorrent the comment was, because it was unquestionably repugnant--doubly so when tossed at Anthony. I got caught up in trying to explain myself and neglected to address that part, which I do now and I think it's revolting.
HKCavalier
Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.
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BYTE:
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it's about rejecting the stereotype wholesale for a saner society.
Amen to that!
HKCAV:
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Men buying fancy sports cars to "compensate" for their "endowments" is a stereotype.
And one I've recently gotten to laugh at - my ex calls my bitty-beamer my "midlife crisis car", which I get all too much amusement out of since part of her reaction there is HER wanting the bloody thing (I've actually left it to her in my will) which means her mockery is also self directed.
We have much fun mocking gender sterotypes since so many of the "male" ones apply to her, and the "female" ones apply to me, and we can and do go out of our way to wind people up about that when we get the chance, meh heh heh.
Gus also looooves skewering the hell out of racial stereotypes, but some of the degrees to which he goes with that make me uncomfortable, him and his crew have never really understood how passionately I hate the N-word, having made pact with myself back in the 70's to never, EVER let it come out of my mouth ever, nor voluntarily allow it spoken in my presence.
Anyhows, Sacred Cows make great cheeseburgers, just so ya know.
-F
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Quote:Wow. Missed the irony much? Worth as defined by cup size, penis size, or gun size is all stupid. That's my point. Thank you for agreeing.
Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
M4P: I don't know how to say this politely... What you're saying sounds WRONG to me. Worth by the size of a BRA? By the size of dick, johnson, whatever abrupt and crude term you want to use to shock and startle us into, what, agreeing with you when you're acting like this?
But demanding that big guns be prevalent so that a scared person has something to cling to does nothing but make us all less safe. Reality backs this up in more ways than I care to deal with here, because if you haven't seen it yet you just won't.
Quote:Bullshit. Anthony, bless his soft-spoken classy heart (I mean that 100%) is the poor schmoe representing fear here. He fears the "constabulary", so he won't give up his big guns, no matter that those guns were just used to slaughter children.
You aren't afraid of the size of our sex traits. You're afraid of death. In your fear of death you are projecting questionable issues on all of us and lashing out at poor Anthony.
I realize completely that Anthony is a stand-up guy, and I'll buy him more than one frosty brew is I ever meet him real life, but I'll never stop fighting against what I see as the root of the violence-obsessed insanity of America. It's got its teeth in him, sadly.
And yes, fuck you all, it is a male thing. Not because men are inherently bad, but because our messed up social insanity trains these poor men to deal with their issues through violence.
You don't believe me? Just how many of these mass killings are done by men, rather than women? Hell's ya, it's gender issue. Again: I don't believe it's inherent. I believe it is trained. And I really really want to break that training.
Violence/threat of violence is not necessary to one's personal security. Do you disagree with that, Anthony? Can you ever be secure without your big guns?
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Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
I don't have a side. As usual?
Do you mean this seriously? Cause...
da-amn.
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Quote:No, I view you mostly as a cool guy, but when this topic comes around I see you saying that you can only be secure if you have a gun as big as the other guy.
Originally posted by AnthonyT:
First of all, it has been made about me. This stereotype isn't "Out there." It's in the minds of people like Mal. She is utterly incapable of dealing with me or any gun owner except through the lens of that stereotype.
So?
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:
Hello,
First of all, it has been made about me. This stereotype isn't "Out there." It's in the minds of people like Mal. She is utterly incapable of dealing with me or any gun owner except through the lens of that stereotype.
MAL... I'm a gun owner, would you deal with me the same way you would deal with Tony?
Do you feel that the only way to achieve peace is through having a big gun?
Do you feel that your right to have as big and scary a gun as makes you happy trumps everyone else's right to live in a safe society?
Do you feel that you are completely, 100% safe as long as the metal in your hands is the most high-powered deadly thing available and you've got access to as much of it as you need to take all those evil MF's out?
If so, I'd say you were stroking your gun phallus.
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