South Ossetia: Defense against ethnic cleansing, or invasion? (Turns out, Georgia fired missiles first. it was self defense)
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Quote:We’re already very much aware of how little you view other points of view. At least I think most people are aware, that your rigid pessimistic view and poor perception of the issue, such as siding with Russian aggression, is a product of your unwillingness to see all opinions but your own with distain.
Originally posted by SignyM:
Do I need to tell you how little I think of your ability to find the truth?
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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Quote:Did I say I sided with it? WHAT did I post, very first thing?
siding with Russian aggression
But I noticed that you failed to address the topic at hand. You must not have anything substantive to say.
BTW- I cited the BBC News link from the very beginning. You guys are such dorks.
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Any idea, no matter how much you may agree with it, can be radicalized and employed as an excuse for violence. There is no such thing as a righteous or untouchable philosophy, and when you start thinking that there is, you have become an extremist.- Finn Mac Cumhal
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Quote:The topic at hand? You mean your attempt to equate separatist violence with the entire population of S. Ossetia and excuse a Russian expansionist invasion of a sovereign democratic State? I don’t really need to respond to that - it proves me point all by itself.
Originally posted by SignyM:Quote:Did I say I sided with it? WHAT did I post, very first thing?
siding with Russian aggression
But I noticed that you failed to address the topic at hand.
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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Quote:It doesn't matter what you said Signy, Finn knows you (and me too) better than you know yourself- he will instruct you as to what you REALLY mean.
Originally posted by SignyM:
Did I say I sided with it? WHAT did I post, very first thing?
Pinkoisall
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The South Ossetians have felt a part of Russia since (please refer to the background article that I cited three times already) and have expressed that viewpoint violently... and by vote... many times in the past (please refer to cited article) years and formally declared independence in (please see cited article).
The Georgians attacked a Russian peacekeeping force stationed in S Ossetia, most likely because the United States "fomented" problems in Georgia. The Russians responded with overwhelming force, and stomped on the Georgians, extracting concessions fomr the Georgians. McCain got to use this as a backdrop for his campaign, the Russians got to stomp the Georgians, and everybody is happy except the Georgians and Ossetians who are merely pawns in the US/ Russian game of Empire. (which the USA is winning)
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Any idea, no matter how much you may agree with it, can be radicalized and employed as an excuse for violence. There is no such thing as a righteous or untouchable philosophy, and when you start thinking that there is, you have become an extremist.- Finn Mac Cumhal
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Quote:Right. Of course an intelligent view of the issues might be that Georgians responded to Moscow supported S. Ossetia Separatists mortar and machine gun attacks on Georgian villages, for which Moscow used as a pretext to further their own hegemonic ambitions over former Soviet provinces. But of course, the reasonable and factual explanation doesn’t lend itself to your political agenda so you invent X-file type fantasy of the evil and omnipotent McCain.
Originally posted by SignyM:
The South Ossetians have felt a part of Russia since (please refer to the background article that I cited three times already) and have expressed that viewpoint violently... and by vote... many times in the past (please refer to cited article) years and formally declared independence in (please see cited article).
The Georgians attacked a Russian peacekeeping force stationed in S Ossetia, most likely because the United States "fomented" problems in Georgia. The Russians responded with overwhelming force, and stomped on the Georgians, extracting concessions fomr the Georgians. McCain got to use this as a backdrop for his campaign, the Russians got to stomp the Georgians, and everybody is happy except the Georgians and Ossetians who are merely pawns in the US/ Russian game of Empire. (which the USA is winning)
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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Quote:
Originally posted by SignyM:
Did I say I sided with it? WHAT did I post, very first thing?
"Russia has invaded South Ossetia, which is formally a part of Georgia. However, South Ossetia is ethnically, linguistically, and economically closer to Russia, and most of its residents hold Russian passports. South Ossetia declared independence from Georgia in the early 1990s.
According to some sources Georgia was engaged in ethnic cleansing to prepare the land for immigration by Georgians and put down the separatist movement once and for all."
Sounds like the first thing you posted was a defense and justification of the Russian intervention into Georgia. Seems like my assertion that you miss the good old days of Soviet interventionism isn't too far off the mark, since you obviously support the same actions by their successor state.
"Keep the Shiny side up"
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Quote:Russian peacekeepers were stationed in S Ossetia, not Georgia. With pictures
Russian peacekeepers are waging a "fierce" battle with Georgian forces in South Ossetia and have suffered 12 dead and 150 wounded, the peacekeeping forces were quoted as saying by Russian news agencies.
www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/08/09/2329710.htm
Quote:What I said, Geezer, is that I think people should be able to belong to whatever group they want, and that trying to impose an identity from the outside (Noth/South, Yugoslavia, Iraq, any number of African nations) doesn't work. Somehow, you failed to miss a whole bunch of my posts. I think it is very clear what the South Ossetians want, and has been for a long time. Not everyone looks at Russia with horror and fear. Some nations do, like Poland. Some don't. Many are mixed. The fact that many S Osetians choose you have Russian passports gives us a good indication of where they want to belong.
Sounds like the first thing you posted was a defense and justification of the Russian intervention into Georgia. Seems like my assertion that you miss the good old days of Soviet interventionism isn't too far off the mark, since you obviously support the same actions by their successor state.
However. if the Russians should try to impose an identity on Georgia or an unwanted identity on S Ossetia, it won't won't work. Just as id didn't work when the Georgians tried to impose an indentity on S Ossetia.
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Any idea, no matter how much you may agree with it, can be radicalized and employed as an excuse for violence. There is no such thing as a righteous or untouchable philosophy, and when you start thinking that there is, you have become an extremist.- Finn Mac Cumhal
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Quote:
Originally posted by SignyM:
...Somehow, you failed to miss a whole bunch of my posts. I think it is very clear what the South Ossetians want, and has been for a long time.
Not everyone looks at Russia with horror and fear. Some nations do, like Poland. Some don't. Many are mixed. The fact that many S Osetians choose you have Russian passports gives us a good indication of where they want to belong.
However. if the Russians should try to impose an identity on Georgia or an unwanted identity on S Ossetia, it won't won't work. Just as id didn't work when the Georgians tried to impose an indentity on S Ossetia.
There you go leaping into another archaeological dig , and just getting yourself dirty...
Maybe you should just test the dirt with a big toe , next time...You've got a bad habit of getting in over your head
from the outset...
I don't have a dog in this fight , so much , but...
The folk in S. Ossetia are in a tight spot , geographically , historically , and politically...
The reason so many elect a Russian passport , could be that a South Ossetian passport won't get them anywhere...
South Ossetia is recognized as an autonomous region , as you noted , but it is not recognized as a Sovereign state...
Consequently , the S. Ossetian passport won't get one very far , as a refugee , or immigrant , or even a vacationer...
There's surely manipulation and imperialism going on from both sides of this conflict , as surely as there's hypocrisy , denials , and spin coming from the perps...
Having a Russian passport versus none at all , could prove to be a lifesaving convenience for those folk as may hold 'em...
Likewise , no one can blame the Poles for a Russkie-aversion , as they've been walked over by pretty-nearly everyone , at one time or another , during the 'grand sweep of history'...The Russians are just one of the more-recent examples...
Sometimes , an accident of geography just puts folk at the crossroads of history , time and again...South Ossetia is no particular exception...
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