Screw 'em if they hate us
POSTED BY: 6ixStringJack
UPDATED: Tuesday, July 1, 2008 09:13
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If Obama wins we'll just be a seat at the UN in 4 years, we will lose the right to bear and cigarettes will cost 20 bucks a pack. That won't bother him though, because when he wants to smoke he can just dip into that book money and buy a pack.
Hate to break it to you, but we ARE just a seat at the UN. Sure, we're on the Security Council, but other than that we're pretty much just another member nation.
As for the right to bear arms, you might want to check your Congresional websites. Search for "H.R.6257: Assault Weapons Ban Reauthorization Act of 2008 (Introduced in House)". Pay close attention to the Bill's sponsors - all Republicans!
You were saying?
Mike
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wrong Mal....
Again, if you've read any of my posts the last few years, I'm one of the loudest in opposition to things that we do. There is a difference in how I voice it and how Signy voices it. Whenever Signy says anything it comes off as another America hate speech.
And Cit...
If I live in a country where guns have been banned and cigarettes can be taxed out of existance than nothing else matters because we've already lost the Government we used to have and there is nothing left for me to defend.
Oh... and there's no way in hell that I'm voting for McCain either. Both of them are media driven swine who will further the current agenda of destroying the constitution and enslaving the people.
My vote is still with Ron Paul. Unless a miracle happens, he won't be getting in, but I can sleep better at night knowing I didn't fall for one of the whore's tricks.
BTW.... Obama just said "Yes We Can!" to reinstating the FISA. He says that he's going to try to get the whole immunity for telco companies out of there, but
a) nearly impossible to do after the fact and if he really believed that he wouldn't have voted for the entirity of the act and..
b) how many politicians do you know who haven't lied to get a vote?
He's part of the Democratic run Senate which has a 12% confidence rate in recent Gallup polls (14% less than our president FYI). I mean, even a lone Republican from Illinois voted against FISA for chrissake.
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Rep. Tim Johnson (R-IL), voted against it. A spokesman told Ars that Johnson "voted that way, consistent with all of his past votes on the FISA bill, because he's worried about its impact on civil liberties, and he believes that the necessary authority for the intelligence agencies already exists. He's talked to people on the front lines, and the system works very effectively now.
But we want it to work better! We want to have unfettered access to every piece of information that anybody ever communicates over phone, email or text messaging. Since the phone company can't be sued, nobody will be held accountable for any abuses of our newly self anointed supreme power!!!!!!!!!
Queue evil maniacal laughter
Read about how the Rethugs and Demons had a big cocksucking fest over passing the FISA:
http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080621-congress-pats-itself-on-
back-as-it-caves-on-telecom-immunity.html
A Change too many of us are dumb enough to believe in:
http://rawstory.com/news08/2008/06/21/obama-ill-fight-to-strip-telecom
-immunity-from-fisa/
But he doesn't support the Real ID though:
http://news.cnet.com/Technology-Voters-Guide-Barack-Obama---page-2/210
0-1028_3-6224109-2.html
Oh.... why's that?
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By Barack Obama: "I do not support the Real ID program because it is an unfunded mandate, and not enough work has been done with the states to help them implement the program.
Right... a wolf in sheeps clothing then. I like how money is the motivating factor in that decision and the trampling of American's constitutional rights didn't factor into the equation.
Change..... Not in the next 4 years anyways.
More about the Real ID:
http://norealid.com/
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6ixstring, I'm with you on the FISA thing. Very disappointing to see how easily the Democrats capitulated.
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Half... HALF of them voted YES WE CAN!
Are you kidding me? All this talk about impeachment that never happened, or getting our boys and girls out of Iraq so they aren't killed for a meaningless and illegal war that never should have happened.... but HA HA John Stewart made a few jokes about it and we're just going along with the status quo again.
But FISA! There's no way this can be happening! Democrats... the champions of civil liberties.... caving into the President, this time even inflicting irreparable damages upon the Constitution!
Haha... Just kidding man. I'm not in the least suprised. Both parties are just different sides of the single party coin. Like I said before, it's the SOS, just a bit of a different overall flavor every 4 or 8 years.
People wanted change? Well you told change you didn't want him around.....
There's still time though. You know what I'm talking about. He hasn't gone anywhere. He's patiently waiting for America to wake up and join him. "A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned." http://www.myspace.com/6ixstringjack
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Quote:Fair enough, but last I checked you had a two party system
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
And Cit...
If I live in a country where guns have been banned and cigarettes can be taxed out of existance than nothing else matters because we've already lost the Government we used to have and there is nothing left for me to defend.
Oh... and there's no way in hell that I'm voting for McCain either. Both of them are media driven swine who will further the current agenda of destroying the constitution and enslaving the people.
My vote is still with Ron Paul. Unless a miracle happens, he won't be getting in, but I can sleep better at night knowing I didn't fall for one of the whore's tricks.
. The thing about Ron Paul is that he's always seemed to good to be true, for American voters at least. Anyone who can unite both sides of the political spectrum in a country with as violently partisan politics as the US, just sounds fishy to me.But his policies toward the outside world are far more isolationist than America needs. He'd cut America off from the outside world, and try and retreat inside the shell of it's borders. At least that's my reading. Beyond the fact that'll have a disastrous long term effect on the American economy, nations that cut themselves off from the outside world near always turn paranoid, and end up sacrificing their civil liberties.
More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
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Originally posted by citizen:
But his policies toward the outside world are far more isolationist than America needs. He'd cut America off from the outside world, and try and retreat inside the shell of it's borders. At least that's my reading. Beyond the fact that'll have a disastrous long term effect on the American economy, nations that cut themselves off from the outside world near always turn paranoid, and end up sacrificing their civil liberties.
The truth is brother that we have plenty within these boundaries if we were to rethink things fiscally and politically and with a little common sense and a little less "me" attitude. Way things are headed in the minds of American's today it ain't true, but it could be true. We have a great geographical spot in the world with perfect climate to grow more food than we'll ever need with our small population (in relation per square foot to China), we're surrounded by comparatively weak countries who are for the most part friendly surrounding us on the North and South and two very large and beautiful oceans protecting us on the West and East. Two countries, I might add, that without the rest of the world could really come to appreciate one another much more because we do have things to offer each other in a world sans Europe and Asia.
We're all relatively sane people on this half of the globe, at least in terms of self preservation. You got your bad apples in every bunch, but I don't view any threat on this side of the globe to be as scary as the movie Aliens. What I mean by that is the reason that Aliens was the scariest movie from my childhood is because they were bloodthirsty, maniacal killing machines who would stop at nothing and climb over each other to kill, with no regard for friendly fire or sacraficing themselves to kill.
I've never even known that this drive truly existed en mass in the world until recently, have you?
And besides that, before the FED and the lifting of trade embargos, what did we need anybody else for?
We still don't, spiritually and in terms of self sustinance on a basic level.
I mean, come on... I know a lot of you agree with me on a few points here. Why do we need embassies all over the world to make our presence known? Do we want a world where embassies from each country exist in every state here? Why are we going to war with other countries when a majority of the people don't agree with them? Would we want China or Russia to do the same now that they're becoming equally potent world powers?
I saw Red Dawn and I believe the answer to that is No... No we wouldn't.
EDIT: I reread your post Cit and I wanted to comment on this. I've never heard it before and thought I wanted to address my views on it.
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Anyone who can unite both sides of the political spectrum in a country with as violently partisan politics as the US, just sounds fishy to me.
I don't believe that to be true. I believe you are saying that his politics are far to the right, but that is not the case. Maybe that's what you heard more often in the news on that side of the ocean. The possibility that your Media is as corrupt as ours is has to occur to you at least once on a daily basis, being the thinking person you are. Maybe I'm wrong too, who knows.
Ron Paul is adamantly against the Real ID act. Something that all leftists should in spirit be just as adamant about. Ron Paul is against FISA. Something that we've just found out yesterday that Democrats aren't against as a majority... even our likely future president. Sure, he's for guns and he's not happy about abortion, and probably a million other things that you could quote to me now digging through the internet.... But he believes that the states should decide that. Less Federal money going to wars and building centralized power. That's what it's all about. If we had strong state governments who would stand together and oppose the Central beast, we wouldn't be in a war right now.
I want Choice. Choice we can believe in. R
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6ixstring, I'm also more disappointed than surprised by the Democrats giving up so easily on FISA (or war funding, while we're at it). That's why, were I an American, I would always consider myself a left-leaning independent and never a Democrat, because of stupid shit like this.
Quote:That's how I saw it too, it's the main reason why I wouldn't vote for him.
Originally posted by citizen:
But his policies toward the outside world are far more isolationist than America needs. He'd cut America off from the outside world, and try and retreat inside the shell of it's borders. At least that's my reading.
Quote:Those things seem to be happening anyway.
Beyond the fact that'll have a disastrous long term effect on the American economy, nations that cut themselves off from the outside world near always turn paranoid, and end up sacrificing their civil liberties.
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Quote:No 6ix, it's a hate capitalism speech. Is there ANY airspace in your mind between America and capitalism, or is all just one big blob? I love America. But I'm tired of your pathetic whinging and misquoting and your silly attacks on me. Now, I've tried VERY hard not to personally attack you or denigrate your character or tell you to leave the USA but it seems that every time you run across an idea that make you uncomfortable you throw a little tantrum. And THEN the anti-liberty comes out! Oh, yes it does! You really DO want to be a little dictator, don't you? You have the prescription for how we can all* get nationalistic and isolationist. *Everybody sacrifices to fit into 6ix's view.
Whenever Signy says anything it comes off as another America hate speech.
*But not the capitalists. Not the rich and powerful. You will NOT impose any responsibilities on the wealthiest and most powerful of us. And why?
Because you're a coward. Because they ARE rich. And powerful! Because our corporate masters might get mad at us! Because "something" might happen! We might actually have to take some responsibility! We might actually face consequences! You KNOW where the real power is and it scares you. So instead of attacking the REAL power you throw tantrums about politicians.
Politicians??? Politicians only hang on with our votes. Oooooh. Scary bunch, huh?
Grow up, son.
Quote:Tell that to the big and powerful. If anyone needs to tone down on the "me" attitude, it's them.
and a little less "me" attitude
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Bump for 6ix. 
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Quote:Really? You don't import Oil from the Middle East? Products from China? Mentioning China, if they called in your debts the American economy would collapse over night. It's kind of arrogant to assume that America is the only country in the world, that doesn't actually need to be a part of the world, yanno. Take a look at world history, the histories of China, Russia, Japan. Countries that isolate themselves atrophy, like muscles unused. They grow weak and wither, a fact a growing globalist United States used in the late 19th/early 20th century when it dictated trade agreements to the isolationist Japanese with just a few gunboats.
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
We still don't, spiritually and in terms of self sustinance on a basic level.
The US runs a massive trade deficit (over 800Billion Dollars in 2006), if the US is so massively self sufficient, and doesn't require trade with other countries, why is it so seldom in surplus? No nation can successfully stand alone Jack, those that try either give it up, or collapse. In every example of isolationism you find destructive paranoia about the outside world, and crippling economic stagnation.
Quote:Russia is a corrupt and bankrupt failing state, with little functional and viable military, China, despite having a huge army, has no power projection capability. The Chinese don't even have a single viable aircraft carrier.
Would we want China or Russia to do the same now that they're becoming equally potent world powers?
Quote:How on Earth did you read that? No, I said he managed to unite the disparate warring partisans of the US. The US has some of the most viciously divided partisan politics I've ever seen, and when one guy's policies manage to unite both sides it sounds rather to good to be true.
I don't believe that to be true. I believe you are saying that his politics are far to the right, but that is not the case.
Having said that, Ron Paul is a rather uncompromising libertarian, with a strong isolationist bent. Even in the rather right-wing skewed politics of the USA, that's a little more right than centre.
Quote:Of course, but even if that's so, what possible objective would the British media have to slur an American candidate? The British don't vote in your elections.
Maybe that's what you heard more often in the news on that side of the ocean. The possibility that your Media is as corrupt as ours is has to occur to you at least once on a daily basis, being the thinking person you are. Maybe I'm wrong too, who knows.
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