Screw 'em if they hate us
POSTED BY: 6ixStringJack
UPDATED: Tuesday, July 1, 2008 09:13
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Originally posted by SignyM:
It's not the size that bother me as much as the business form. Corporations seems to have an exceedingly favorable perch: The get all of the "rights" of individuals (freedom of speech, privacy, patents etc.) but none of the downsides. When was the last time you saw a corporation "executed" for knowingly killing someone (even thousands of people) with a defective product?
They get favorable tax rates (THEY get to take "expenses" off their income, WE don't!). If you steal from a person it may be a misdemeanor, but if you steal from a corporation it's an automatic felony. I can come up with dozens of examples that would make your head blow off.
In addition, and I know this is sacrosanct, but I've thought this out in detail... business REALLY gets into trouble when its publicly traded. Suddenly, the "worth" of a business gets yanked around by speculation. The CEO, owner, or board is unable to look further ahead than the next quarterly report. I've seen small businesses with great products get hammered in the stock market because the market wouldn't allow them to pursue market share at the expense of profitability... which was (for them) the only path to success.
So I'm not a know-nothing when it comes to business, economics, and markets. But it's the stock market that drives companies to do unethical things... either because chief officers are looking to fatten their stock options before they bail (like Enron) or because they feel the hot breath of a takeover down their neck (like Yahoo). Also, the stock market encourages consolidation, which leads to the formation of monopolies.
Hmmm... I find myself in complete agreement with a Signy post. Better see a doctor.
One thing about corps, that gets even less attention than their various legal privileges, is the way coporations have become an extended arm of western colonialism. It's a symbiotic relationship. We go to war to protect corporate interests, and they reciprocate by undermining the cultural foundations of other nations.
This is the main grievance of Islamic Fundamentalists that Americans can't understand, or merely don't want to. We use the ostensibly benign hand of trade as a wedge to impose our values on them. If they object, our military keeps them in line. How could they not be pissed off about this?
SergeantX
"Dream a little dream or you can live a little dream. I'd rather live it, cause dreamers always chase but never get it." Aesop Rock
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Quote:LOL, good one K.
Originally posted by kaneman:Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
How do I make myself a corporation?
Not sure, but you will need cubicles....lots of 'em......and at least one copier....
isall
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Originally posted by SignyM:
PEOPLE DO
So a whole bunch of people just get together randomly and build, first, the infrastructure needed to support building an FMRI, and then build the FMRI itself. This with no direction, no capital, no idea if anyone will want an FMRI, etc.
In other words, what replaces the corporation in your ideal world?
"Keep the Shiny side up"
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Quote:BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!
Not sure, but you will need cubicles....lots of 'em......and at least one copier....
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Let's party like it's 1929.
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Originally posted by kaneman:Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
How do I make myself a corporation?
Not sure, but you will need cubicles....lots of 'em......and at least one copier....
And an HR department to tell you how wrong everything you're doing is...
Mike
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One thing about corps, that gets even less attention than their various legal privileges, is the way coporations have become an extended arm of western colonialism. It's a symbiotic relationship. We go to war to protect corporate interests, and they reciprocate by undermining the cultural foundations of other nations.
This is the main grievance of Islamic Fundamentalists that Americans can't understand, or merely don't want to. We use the ostensibly benign hand of trade as a wedge to impose our values on them. If they object, our military keeps them in line. How could they not be pissed off about this?
My stars... Someone else finally noticed! I've referred to this phenomenon as "the globalization of America through the Americanization of the globe". It's not our "freedom" that they hate; it's that we tell them what to buy, and why, and when. "You want this new thong - Paris Hilton wears one in her latest sex tape! Get yours NOW!" And we act perplexed when people aren't interested, or are outright inflamed by some of the pure crap that we exalt as "great" and the "celebrities" we seem to worship.
I'm certainly not saying I agree with terrorists... but I can see where they might have a beef with us. If it were your kids idolizing Britney, Paris, Lindsay, the Kardashians, Snoop Dogg, Pacman Jones, et al, wouldn't YOU want to blow those people up? Again, I'm not saying it's right, but that I can understand the impulse...
Mike
"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence[sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions
I can't help the sinking feeling that my country is now being run by people who read "1984" not as a cautionary tale, but rather as an instruction manual. - Michael Mock
The Myrmidons were an ancient nation of very brave and skilled warriors as described in Homer's Iliad, and were commanded by Achilles. - Wikipedia
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Originally posted by kaneman:Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
How do I make myself a corporation?
Not sure, but you will need cubicles....lots of 'em......and at least one copier....
That's the line of the day right there... :)
Mike
"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence[sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions
I can't help the sinking feeling that my country is now being run by people who read "1984" not as a cautionary tale, but rather as an instruction manual. - Michael Mock
The Myrmidons were an ancient nation of very brave and skilled warriors as described in Homer's Iliad, and were commanded by Achilles. - Wikipedia
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Actually it is pretty wise making your family a corporation, and to do this you'll want to contact your State's Attorney General and I believe they or a department in their office helps you make your family into a corporation. The advantage to this is that you can own 1% of your family stock and make that the controlling 1% so you make all the decisions and if for some reason you get sued you can only be sued for 1% of your corporation's worth. To do this though you'll have to make everything you own the property of the corporation so that you don't own anything other than the 1% of the corporation. (This is how Ted Kennedy got away from having to pay lots of money for Chappaquiddick) You'll have to run your family's business like a real business holding at least two business meetings a year and take moments of the meetings, but you'll also get some big tax breaks. I suggest if this sounds intriguing to you to contact your State's Attorney and get the real scoop from them because I think every State does this differently.
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Originally posted by rallem:
I suggest if this sounds intriguing to you to contact your State's Attorney and get the real scoop...
What if this sounds disgusting to me?
(No offense to you though, rallem. I appreciate the spirit of helpful suggestions.)
The fact that our legal structure promotes such idiocy is flat out insane. This kind of bureaucratic gaming is my biggest beef with the tax code. Politicians can't resist the urge to use taxes as a tool for social engineering, rather that just a way to collect revenue. The result is that we end up with arcane rules and regulations that exist as little more than friction on society.
I'm all about beating the system, at least when the system is as nonsensical and arbitrary as ours is - so I have no beef with the people taking advantage of such loopholes. It's the asswipes on capitol hill who produce such convoluted crap ... arrghh!!!
SergeantX
"Dream a little dream or you can live a little dream. I'd rather live it, cause dreamers always chase but never get it." Aesop Rock
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What Sarge saidtmisall
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