Screw 'em if they hate us

POSTED BY: 6ixStringJack
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6IXSTRINGJACK

Monday, June 23, 2008 12:12 AM

We are.

With a bit of responsibility and self accountability, we can fully support all of our own activities with the resources available.

We are geographically protected from 95% of the bullshit going on in the world today.

And though according to polls we might not be the most educated country on average, we have plenty of brilliant minds to put it together.

What you fail to add to your equations of the past Cit is that we are positioned much more favorably than any great nation ever has been. We're not some little island surrounded by hostile folk that will be known one day as Airstrip One.

Sorry, but that's all true...

"A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned." http://www.myspace.com/6ixstringjack

RUE

Monday, June 23, 2008 12:57 AM

Eh, that's what I get for using a common computer!

RUE

Monday, June 23, 2008 1:10 AM

Ditto! I'll have to log in under my own name!

CHRISISALL

Monday, June 23, 2008 1:15 AM

Removed part: "You can't exist without buying from or working for a major corporation."
I was about to agree, except for homeless, thieves, and prisoners.

But since it got removed- nevermind.

isall

SIGNYM

Monday, June 23, 2008 1:51 AM

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Hmm. I thought it was 'corporatism', you hated, or 'monopolism'. To most folks they're not identical to capitalism.

Most folks don't even know what capitalism is. Like you, they conflate capitalism with democracy. It's only taken us 150 years to transition from an economy of relatively equal farmers (slaves excluded) to depending on large corporations for ... everything.

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BTW. We've been over that "I don't hate America. I hate (fill in the blank)" earlier in the thread. Your statements still never reference anything but America until you're called out on them for your spite against the US.

Prove it.

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SIGNYM

Monday, June 23, 2008 1:53 AM

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You're a simple minded idiot who only reads what they want to Signy. Keep painting me with the same brush you paint Rap with. You're only fooling yourself.

to repeat: "Now, I've tried VERY hard not to personally attack you or denigrate your character or tell you to leave the USA but it seems that every time you run across an idea that make you uncomfortable you throw a little tantrum."

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CITIZEN

Monday, June 23, 2008 9:11 AM

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Originally posted by Citizen:
Your assumption is that America, and Americans are 'different' to people who live in other countries, and it's not the case.

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
We are.

Hence my accusation of arrogant nationalism.

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We're not some little island surrounded by hostile folk that will be known one day as Airstrip One.

America was part of Oceania too. Besides, I was never talking about the UK, Britain has never followed an overtly Isolationist policy.

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Sorry, but that's all true...

Unfortunately, what you fail to drag into your nationalist equations, is that it isn't

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More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.

GEEZER

Monday, June 23, 2008 1:11 PM

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Originally posted by SignyM:
It's only taken us 150 years to transition from an economy of relatively equal farmers (slaves excluded) to depending on large corporations for ... everything.

Aww. I didn't realize you were an old hippie. Back to the land on a commune. Make all you need and don't depend on THE MAN.

So how much do you really want to give up to achieve your goal of not depending on the corporations for...anything? Somehow I don't see the local blacksmith making a FMRI or x-ray machine at his forge.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

SIGNYM

Monday, June 23, 2008 2:48 PM

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Aww. I didn't realize you were an old hippie. Back to the land on a commune. Make all you need and don't depend on THE MAN.

Once again, putting words in my mouth. What is it with you, Geezer- a reflex when you can't think of anything intelligent to say?

If anyone wants to know the definition of "strawman", just look up "Geezer".

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So how much do you really want to give up to achieve your goal of not depending on the corporations for...anything? Somehow I don't see the local blacksmith making a FMRI or x-ray machine at his forge.

Nothing. I thought that was pellucidly clear. Furthermore, depending on HOW you transition the economy away from what we have now (laizzes faire monopolism) most people would see improvement: greater access to resources, a better sense of fairness and certainty about the future, the assurance of a job for those motivated to work.

But you're not really interested in what I think. If you were, you wouldn't be constantly stuffing words into my mouth.So you're not really interested in how we can improve our lives w/o losing the gains we've made.

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SIGNYM

Monday, June 23, 2008 3:53 PM

6ix: There is a critical flaw in your concept of "island America". While we have a abundant resources compared to EU and China, we're missing key elements.

Modern technology depends on a lot of little things all coming together at the same time. You can't make stainless steel w/o chromium, for example. So everything could be going along swimmingly, and then suddenly you find yourself short of something that you hadn't thought of.. tantalum for capacitors, as an example.

We rely 100% for imports of bauxite (aluminum ore), 95% on bismuth, 78% cobalt, 100% manganese, 91% platinum, 95% tin, and 100% thallium.
www.census.gov/prod/2006pubs/07statab/natresor.pdf
p13.

So while I agree that we have many resources, we can't isolate ourselves completely.

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