Screw 'em if they hate us

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RIGHTEOUS9

Tuesday, June 17, 2008 7:20 AM

One thing Geezer,

we should not be in the business of maintaining out status as not the worst country in the world. We should be striving to be the best country in the world, and for God's sake, it really doesn't even matter if there are people who have nothing good to say about America,

people who focus on them being "anti american" are just plain deflecting from the real issue, which is ONLY - "are these criticisms valid?"

It does our nation a grave diservice in my opinion, to avoid asking that question, and instead find contentedness in untested mantras like
"we're still the best country in the world,"

or worse, to find personal appeasement in lowball comparissons, like, "yeah? well what about Cuba!"

and worse still, to demonize those who criticize r nation as if that could make the very criticisms untrustworthy acts of anti-american terrorism.

The American spirit should sound like this. "We're not #1 in upward mobility? let's get on that then!"

Instead its always a fight to even get people to examine the basic facts of these issues.

I personally have never heard Sygm say anythng that I felt was unpatriotic, in fact quite the contrary,

but you know, it's America, and we even have a right to hate the country we live in, and nobody can browbeat people into liking it, they can merely make it a better place, further beyond reproach, where critics are free to exist but look rather silly, when they start talking

Sadly, that isn't the country we live in right now.

CITIZEN

Tuesday, June 17, 2008 8:36 AM

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Originally posted by Geezer:
Long work hours? Any evidence that folk don't want to work more to make more money? Is that a bad thing?

Since when does the average person want too work longer? I've seen the comparative differences in treatment of workers in the US, here and other places, and really comparatively the US treats employees rights with distaste, like treating employees like Human beings has the faintest whiff of communism?

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Crime rate? Some crimes have a higher rate here and some lower. Fraud and embezzelment are higher in many nations. Total crimes are higher in Finland, Denmark and the U.K.

Types of crimes though, most of the crime in the UK was petty, where as the US was way out in front with violent Crime, when we went over this in a previous thread. If I had to be the victim of crime I'd rather have my car keyed a couple of times than be stabbed or shot.

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Lack of health care? U.S. spends more of it's GDP, percentage-wise, on healthcare than any other country. Twice as much as the U.K. which seems, from repeated stories on BBC, to be having problems with National Health

Yeah, but then from continued stories in the US media it seems the US is having massive problems too. Such as kids dying of toothache because they have no access to health care. The accusation tends to be that the US spends the most on healthcare, but receives less coverage and lower quality than other places, which is why people say private only healthcare is bad. I find stories such as when my Girlfriend had to stop seeking tests, not treatment, tests, because she couldn't afford any more, despite having and paying insurance, disgusting, geezer. Essentially she was denied treatment because she wasn't rich enough, yet the US healthcare system receives more money than any other Geezer, so what gives? Is saying I find that disgusting Anti-American?

For Signym to spend most of his time bitching about what's wrong with the US, doesn't make him anti American. Arguably a glass half empty kind of guy, but it doesn't tend to be the 'glass is full ignore reality' people that top the glass up, eh.

More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.

GEEZER

Tuesday, June 17, 2008 11:25 AM

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Originally posted by Righteous9:
It does our nation a grave diservice in my opinion, to avoid asking that question, and instead find contentedness in untested mantras like
"we're still the best country in the world,"

True. I've never said we are. However, folks who have a pre-programmed script of negatives any time anyone says anything positive about the US (see Rue, SignyM, and Citizen's latest posts for an example) also do our nation a disservice by being so negative that there's no possibility of discussion about fixes other than buying whatever they're selling 100%.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

GEEZER

Tuesday, June 17, 2008 11:44 AM

Thanks Rue, Citizen, and SignyM for proving my point. Gosh, the US isn't number one in all categories, and maybe not so great in some. You could cherry-pick less than #1 stats for any country, and probably find some sort of #1 for each one as well. Overall, I just can't see it as gloomy as you constantly portray, or see all the world's ills as America's fault.

I got no idea why you're on such a doom and gloom kick. I just get tired of it sometimes.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

CITIZEN

Tuesday, June 17, 2008 11:55 AM

I guess some people are too stupid to understand what's being said to them. Just because someone isn't a violent nationalist who believes every non American is sub human and deserves to die like you do, doesn't mean they're anti-American. But thanks for proving my point that you're a violent nationalist, a liar and immoral troll.

I've got no idea why you hate non-Americans so much, I just get tired of it sometimes.

More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.

SIGNYM

Tuesday, June 17, 2008 3:36 PM

Geezer, I know it's a bummer to have your comfortable life intruded on, but the reality is that most people in the USA are hurting right now and only the very top 0.01% benefit from the status quo.

When we were the biggest (in fact, the only) undamaged industrial nation left standing after WWII we (the people) could afford to be lax about our interests because the RAPUSA were busy skinning the hides of everyone else (Germany and Japan excepted). But we're at a stage where there is no more "there" to exploit and the wealthy would just as happily flush us down the drain for a few more years of profit, and in fact have been busy doing so for the past 15-20 years. It's just now the pain is coming home for real

Just unplug that probe from the base of your skull for a moment, and think about what THIS NATION needs right now. Not that top 0.01% which you conflate with "the USA" but Joe and Jane Anyone. When I have more time, I'll tell you what I think but right now I have to get back to work.

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RUE

Tuesday, June 17, 2008 4:58 PM

Geezer

Why don't you cherry pick some #1 stats for us and show us how great the US is for the vast majority of people who live here. Do some homework, for a change, and address the topic instead of indulging in your usual ad hominems, attempted debate derailing, straw-man arguments, and topic switching.

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GEEZER

Tuesday, June 17, 2008 6:41 PM

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Originally posted by citizen:
But thanks for proving my point that you're a violent nationalist, a liar and immoral troll.

I've got no idea why you hate non-Americans so much, I just get tired of it sometimes.

Examples of me being a violent nationalist or hating non-Americans would be nice. Betcha can't find any.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

CITIZEN

Tuesday, June 17, 2008 6:44 PM

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Originally posted by Geezer:
Examples of me being a violent nationalist or hating non-Americans would be nice. Betcha can't find any.

Examples of me saying everything in the world is America's fault would be nice, betcha can't find any.

More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.

GEEZER

Tuesday, June 17, 2008 6:48 PM

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Originally posted by SignyM:
Geezer, I know it's a bummer to have your comfortable life intruded on, but the reality is that most people in the USA are hurting right now and only the very top 0.01% benefit from the status quo.

I sure don't hang out with the top 0.01%, and the folks I know - family, friends, etc. - are doing fine. No doubt some people are hurting, but I doubt "most" are.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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