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Elections; 2024

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Thursday, October 31, 2024 6:03 PM

A Closing Case Against Trump

If Trump wins the presidency again, conservatism will be homeless, a philosophy without a party, for at least a generation.

By Peter Wehner | October 29, 2024, 9:56 AM ET

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2024/10/conservative-argumen
t-against-trump/680438
/

Trump has transformed the Republican Party in his image in ways that exceed what any other American politician has done in modern times.

Start with character. The GOP once championed the central importance of character in political leaders, and especially presidents. It believed that serious personal misconduct was disqualifying, in part because of the example it would send to the young and its corrosive effects on our culture. It lamented that America was slouching towards Gomorrah.

In 1998, when a Democrat, Bill Clinton, was president and embroiled in a sexual scandal, the Southern Baptist Convention—whose membership is overwhelmingly conservative —passed the “Resolution on Moral Character of Public Officials,” which said, “Tolerance of serious wrong by leaders sears the conscience of the culture, spawns unrestrained immorality and lawlessness in the society, and surely results in God’s judgment.” It added, “We urge all Americans to embrace and act on the conviction that character does count in public office, and to elect those officials and candidates who, although imperfect, demonstrate consistent honesty, moral purity and the highest character.”

Yet for a decade now, Republicans, and in particular white evangelicals, have celebrated as their leader a felon and pathological liar; a person whose companies have committed bank, insurance, tax, and charity fraud; a sexual predator who paid hush money to a porn star; a person of uncommon cruelty and crudity who has mocked the war dead, POWs, Gold Star families, and people with disabilities. Under Trump, the party of “family values” has become a moral freak show.

Trump has also profoundly reshaped the GOP’s public policy. The GOP is now, at the national level, effectively pro-choice, and, due in part to Trump, the pro-life movement is “in a state of political collapse,” in the words of David French, of The New York Times. The Republican Party, pre-Trump, was pro–free trade; Trump calls himself “Tariff Man” and referred to tariff as “the most beautiful word in the dictionary.” (In July, Trump proposed across-the-board tariffs of 10 to 20 percent, and rates of 60 percent or higher on imports from China.) He epitomizes crony capitalism, an economic system in which individuals and businesses with political connections and influence are favored.

For several generations, Republican presidents have, to varying degrees, promoted plans to reform entitlement programs in order to avert fiscal catastrophe. Trump has done the opposite. He has repeatedly said that entitlement programs are off-limits. As president, Trump shredded federalism and made a mockery of our constitutional system of government by his use of executive orders to bypass Congress. He made little effort to shrink government, and lots of efforts to expand it.

On spending, $4.8 trillion in non-COVID-related debt was added during Trump’s single term, while for Biden the figure is $2.2 trillion. Trump added more debt than any other president in history. A Wall Street Journal survey of 50 economists found that 65 percent of them see Trump’s proposed policies putting more upward pressure on the federal deficit than Harris’s, and 68 percent said prices would rise faster under Trump than under Harris. And the Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget found that Trump’s policies would increase budget deficits by $7.5 trillion over the next decade, compared with $3.5 trillion for Harris.

Pre-Trump Republican presidents celebrated the diversity that immigrants brought to the nation, and the contributions they made to America. “All of the immigrants who came to us brought their own music, literature, customs, and ideas,” Ronald Reagan said in a speech in Shanghai in 1984. “And the marvelous thing, a thing of

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Thursday, October 31, 2024 8:15 PM

Trump Wants You to Accept All of This as Normal

The former president is psychologically preparing Americans for an assault on the electoral system.

By Anne Applebaum | October 28, 2024

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2024/10/maidison-square-g
arden-election-fraud/680429
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In the final week of this election season, the Republican Party is running two different campaigns. One of them is an ugly and angry but conventional political enterprise. Donald Trump and other Republicans make speeches; party operatives seek to get out the vote; money is spent in swing states; television and radio advertisements proliferate. The people running that campaign are focused on winning the election.

Last night, in New York City’s Madison Square Garden, we caught a glimpse of the other campaign. This is the campaign that is psychologically preparing Americans for an assault on the electoral system, a second January 6, if Trump doesn’t win—or else an assault on the political system and the rule of law if he does. Listen carefully to the words of Tucker Carlson, the pundit fired from Fox News partly for his role in lying about the 2020 election. Warming up the crowd for Trump, he mocked the very idea that Kamala Harris could win: “It’s going to be pretty hard to look at us and say, ‘You know what? Kamala Harris, she got 85 million votes because she’s so impressive as the first Samoan Malaysian, low-I.Q., former California prosecutor ever to be elected president.”

“Samoan Malaysian” was Carlson’s way of mocking Harris’s mixed-race background, and “low-IQ” is self-explanatory—but “85 million” is a number of votes she could in fact win. And how, Carlson suggested, could there be such a “groundswell of popular support” for a person he demeaned as a mongrel, an incompetent, an idiot? The answer was clear: There can’t be, and if anyone says it happened, then we will contest it.

All of this is part of the game: the Trump campaign’s loud confidence, despite dead-even polls; its decision, in the final days, to take the candidate outside the swing states to New York, New Mexico, and Virginia, because we’ve got this in the bag (and not, say, because filling arenas in Pennsylvania is getting harder); the hyping of Republican-early-voter numbers, even though no evidence indicates that these are new voters, just people who are no longer being discouraged from voting early. Also the multiple attempts, across the country, to remove large numbers of people from the rolls; the many claims, with no justification, that “illegal immigrants” are voting or even, as Trump implied during the September debate, that illegal immigrants are being deliberately imported into the country in order to vote; Vance’s declaration that he will accept the election results as long as “only legal American citizens” vote.

At Madison Square Garden, Trump doubled down on that rhetoric. He repeated past claims about the “invasion” of immigrants; about “Venezuelan gangs” occupying American cities, even Times Square; and he offered an instant solution: “On day one, I will launch the largest deportation program in American history to get these criminals out. I will rescue every city and town that has been invaded and conquered, and we will put these vicious and bloodthirsty criminals in jail.” But he left open the question of who exactly all these “criminals” might be, because he seemed to be talking about not just immigrants but also his political opponents, “the enemy within.” The United States, he said, “is now an occupied country, but it will soon be an occupied country no longer … November 5, 2024, nine days from now, will be Liberation Day in America.”

The insults we heard from many speakers at Madison Square Garden, including the description of Puerto Rico as “garbage” or of Harris as “the anti-Christ” or of Hillary Clinton as a “sick son of a bitch”—insults that can also be heard in a thousand podcast episodes featuring Carlson, Elon Musk, J. D. Vance, and their ilk—are part of the same effort. Trump’s electorate is being primed to equate his po

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Thursday, October 31, 2024 8:41 PM

‘Stop Counting Votes, or We’re Going to Murder Your Children’

Election officials are under siege.

By Matteo Wong

https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2024/10/election-worker
s-threats-trump/680362
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Melissa Kono, who began training election workers nine years ago, recently added a training section dedicated to identifying and reporting threats.

When Melissa Kono, the town clerk in Burnside, Wisconsin, began training election workers in 2015, their questions were relatively mundane. They asked about election rules, voter eligibility, and other basic procedures. The job was gratifying and enjoyable; they helped their neighbors while sipping coffee.

But over the past few years, everything has changed. Kono now finds herself fielding questions about what to do when approached by suspicious voters who ask provocative questions or gripe about fraud. She’s added an entire training section dedicated to identifying threats and how to report them. “I never in a million years imagined that that would be part of my curriculum,” she told me. Kono has yet to receive any direct threats herself—perhaps, she thinks, because Donald Trump won the popular vote in her area in 2016 and 2020—but she fears that things may be different this time around. “What I do hear is I know the election is not rigged here, but in other places,” she said. “And I’m honestly worried sometimes: What if Harris wins? What if it gets too close? And now they start questioning me or coming after me, when I have nothing to do with the outcome.”

Around the country, election officials have already received death threats and packages filled with white powder. Their dogs have been poisoned, their homes swatted, their family members targeted. In Texas, one man called for a “a mass shooting of poll workers and election officials” in precincts with results he found suspicious. “The point is coercion; the point is intimidation. It’s to get you to do or not do something,” Al Schmidt, the secretary of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania, told me—to get you to “stop counting votes, or we’re going to murder your children, and they name your children,” a threat that Schmidt said he received in 2020. This year, the same things may well happen again. “I had one election official who said they called her on her cellphone and said, ‘Looks like your mom made lasagna tonight; she’s wearing that pretty yellow dress that she likes to wear to church,” Tammy Patrick, the chief programs officer at the National Association of Election Officials and a former elections officer in Maricopa County, Arizona, told me. “It’s terrorism here in America.”

These workers, from secretaries of state to local officials to volunteers, are bearing the immediate, human toll of a campaign to discredit the integrity of American democracy. They are the most direct and vulnerable targets for people who have embraced conspiracy theories about fraudulent and “stolen” votes following the 2020 election—unfounded claims that have been directly promoted by Trump and many other members of the Republican Party, who still will not accept that he lost his first reelection bid. Where candidates used to compete against each other, Schmidt told me, some are now “attacking the referees.” In the most extreme narratives, election workers are accused of fabricating, shredding, or double-counting ballots, which leads to suspicion and harassment. “Since the 2020 election, we have seen an unprecedented spike in threats against the public servants who do administer our elections,” including shootings and a bomb threat, Attorney General Merrick Garland said last month. A survey conducted in February and March by the Brennan Center for Justice found that 38 percent of election officials reported being harassed, abused, or threatened—up from 30 percent a year earlier.

This is not just a story about assaults on individual workers, although that would be bad enough. Election administration is “underappreciated as the foundation upon which all of our representative government thrives,” Rachel

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Friday, November 1, 2024 1:43 AM

On this day in History, October 31st:

0000000000000000---2024----000---2020---000----2016-----
National00000000Trump +0.50000Biden +7.4000Clinton0 +1.3
--------------------------------------------------------
Wisconsin0000000Harris +0.2000Biden +6.7000Clinton0 +5.4
Pennsylvania0000Trump0 +0.8000Biden +4.3000Clinton0 +3.5
Ohio000000000000Trump0 +6.9000Biden +0.0000Trump000 +2.7
Michigan00000000Harris +0.4000Biden +8.2000Clinton0 +6.3
Arizona000000000Trump0 +2.5000Biden +0.0000Clinton0 +4.0
Nevada0000000000Trump0 +0.5000Biden +4.0000Trump 000+2.0
North Carolina00Trump0 +1.0000Biden +0.6000Trump 000+1.0
Georgia000000000Trump0 +2.4000Biden +0.4000Trump000 +5.7
Florida000000000Trump0 +8.5000Biden +1.6000Clinton0 +0.3

Here's where Trump stands in the battleground states compared to 2020...

National:000000 Trump +7.1
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Wisconsin:00000 Trump +6.5
Pennsylvania:00 Trump +5.1
Ohio:0000000000 Trump +6.9
Michigan:000000 Trump +7.8
Arizona:0000000 Trump +2.5
Nevada:00000000 Trump +4.5
North Carolina: Trump +1.9
Georgia:0000000 Trump +2.8
Florida:0000000 Trump +10.1

And here's where Trump stands in the battleground states compared to 2016...

National:000000 Trump +1.7
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Wisconsin:00000 Trump +5.2
Pennsylvania:00 Trump +4.3
Ohio:0000000000 Trump +4.2
Michigan:000000 Trump +5.9
Arizona:0000000 Trump -1.5
Nevada:00000000

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Friday, November 1, 2024 3:45 AM

Politico: Black turnout is lagging in North Carolina, a warning sign for Harris

The Black share of the early vote is lagging behind what Democrats say they will need to flip the state.

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/10/30/black-turnout-is-lagging-in-n
orth-carolina-a-warning-sign-for-harris-00186387




The American Prospect: In Philadelphia, It’s Kamala vs. the Couch

Among Black voters, Trump can’t beat her, but a key challenge is rallying voters who’d rather stay home.

https://prospect.org/politics/2024-10-31-philadelphia-kamala-vs-the-co
uch
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Trump will be fine.
He will also be your next President.

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Friday, November 1, 2024 8:30 PM

President John Kennedy had his origin story filmed by Hollywood. It was titled PT-109. President Trump now has his origin story filmed, The Apprentice.

The story of how a young Donald Trump started his real-estate business in 1970s and ’80s New York with the helping hand of infamous lawyer Roy M. Cohn.



Download the free movie about Trump called The Apprentice

Torrent Link: 167a580913913483d497f76f95f55d9bd6dd056d
https://psa.wf/movie/the-apprentice-2024/

You will need bittorrent software such as qbittorrent, which is free at https://www.qbittorrent.org/download

Movie Reviews:

https://www.metacritic.com/movie/the-apprentice/

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/the_apprentice

What is Trump's review?
Oct 14, 2024 6:01am PT
Donald Trump Lashes Out at ‘The Apprentice’ by Calling It a ‘Politically Disgusting Hatchet Job’ Made by ‘Human Scum’; Director Responds: ‘I’m Available to Talk Further’

https://variety.com/2024/film/news/donald-trump-slams-the-apprentice-m
ovie-disgusting-1236176766
/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Friday, November 1, 2024 10:54 PM

Trump leads in the meaningless national popular vote by +0.3 today.

Four years ago Joe Biden* was leading by +7.4 points.

Tick Tock



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Trump will be fine.
He will also be your next President.

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Saturday, November 2, 2024 12:36 AM

White House altered Biden ‘garbage’ transcript without stenographer approval

https://www.wsj.com/opinion/the-three-reasons-harris-will-lose-preside
ntial-election-unprepared-no-clear-message-db922adb?st=m9c4xC




Really, why bother trying to hide that anyhow?

We've been called Nazis by the Lefty politicians and the talking heads at MSNBC for over a week now, which means that their minions like Ted and Second are going all around the internet calling everybody a Nazi. This has been an on-again/off-again thing for over 10 years now.

Of course Biden* meant to call us garbage. Joe Biden* hates us. Kamala Harris hates us.


Thankfully, we'll never have to hear from either of them again soon.



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Trump will be fine.
He will also be your next President.

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Saturday, November 2, 2024 3:08 AM

On this day in History, November 1st:

0000000000000000---2024----000---2020---000----2016-----
National000000000Trump +0.3000Biden +7.9000Clinton0 +1.6
--------------------------------------------------------
Wisconsin0000000Harris +0.3000Biden +6.8000Clinton0 +5.5
Pennsylvania0000Trump0 +0.3000Biden +3.6000Clinton0 +3.0
Ohio000000000000Trump0 +6.9000Biden +0.2000Trump000 +2.7
Michigan00000000Harris +0.8000Biden +6.5000Clinton0 +5.5
Arizona000000000Trump0 +2.4000Trump +0.6000Clinton0 +4.0
Nevada0000000000Trump0 +0.9000Biden +4.0000Trump 000+2.0
North Carolina00Trump0 +1.4000Biden +1.2000Trump 000+1.0
Georgia000000000Trump0 +2.6000Biden +0.8000Trump000 +4.6
Florida000000000Trump0 +8.5000Biden +1.6000Clinton0 +1.0

Here's where Trump stands in the battleground states compared to 2020...

National:000000 Trump +8.2
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Wisconsin:00000 Trump +6.5
Pennsylvania:00 Trump +3.9
Ohio:0000000000 Trump +7.1
Michigan:000000 Trump +5.7
Arizona:0000000 Trump +1.8
Nevada:00000000 Trump +4.9
North Carolina: Trump +2.5
Georgia:0000000 Trump +3.4
Florida:0000000 Trump +10.1

And here's where Trump stands in the battleground states compared to 2016...

National:000000 Trump +1.9
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Wisconsin:00000 Trump +5.2
Pennsylvania:00 Trump +3.3
Ohio:0000000000 Trump +4.2
Michigan:000000 Trump +6.3
Arizona:0000000 Trump -1.6
Nevada:00000000

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Saturday, November 2, 2024 3:16 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
White House altered Biden ‘garbage’ transcript without stenographer approval

https://www.wsj.com/opinion/the-three-reasons-harris-will-lose-preside
ntial-election-unprepared-no-clear-message-db922adb?st=m9c4xC




Really, why bother trying to hide that anyhow?

We've been called Nazis by the Lefty politicians and the talking heads at MSNBC for over a week now, which means that their minions like Ted and Second are going all around the internet calling everybody a Nazi. This has been an on-again/off-again thing for over 10 years now.

Of course Biden* meant to call us garbage. Joe Biden* hates us. Kamala Harris hates us.


Thankfully, we'll never have to hear from either of them again soon.



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Trump will be fine.
He will also be your next President.

Democrats refuse to call Nazis what they are. Democrats want to react slowly, like a glacier melting, calling in expert witnesses, holding hearings for years. That's why Democrats are weak and silly despite being better people than Nazis. I want the Democrats to kick Nazis in the balls, right this second. Democrats lack the courage to physically resist Nazis. Democrats think they have done enough by labelling Trump as a "fascist", a prissy word that they aren't even sure what it means. Labels are just the first step, not the final step, but I don't think Democrats can do more than talk.

Assuming Trump wins, I don't think Biden will have him killed, no more than President James Buchanan would have taken violent action against the Confederates forming a new government inside the United States. That's why Buchanan is either the worst or second worst President, after President Andrew Johnson, the one after Lincoln.

Biden will be in competition for worst President if he doesn't kill Trump and JD Vance, assuming they win. Presumably, Biden will anxiously wait for historians to decide in a few decades whether Trump was really and truly a Nazi, unless Trump imprisons Biden, which would wake Biden up from the stupidity of not killing Trump while there still was a chance. President Buchanan waited to see what the Confederates would do with their new country carved out of the USA. Buchanan outlived Lincoln, but he still believed, writing a book, until he died that he had no power to stop the Confederates from taking over the country.

I don't know if Biden is any better than Buchanan when faced with a similar crisis, only worse than 1860 because some of the Confederates had the decency to resign from Congress and the US Army. Trumptards aren't decent people, see Trump's life history for what Trumptards think is decency. Trump never has been decent and certainly won't be if the Democrats peacefully transfer the government to his Nazis, loyal to him, not the Constitution.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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